>>61247624
they are included in the "taxe sur la fortune" which basically punishes everyone above 1 mil networth to give 1% of their wealth each year to the state.

yes socialism is a nightmare. France is slowly turning to collectivism it's not a meme. Socialismm breeds more socialism because more and more people depends on taking money from value adding citizen and businesses so they want more left and hate rich but they don't hate taking their money
They are now talking about taking money from people's savings

based total cryptonigger death

>>61247644
just stop being rich faggot or if youre old money rich just have money in tax havens and stop being a poorfag

>>61247624
What does this mean? Do they tax your savings accounts then since its just sitting there?

>>61247645
total socialism faillure you mean? and bankruptcy no more gibs for parasites
Everyone with money and ambition is leaving. i wonder where losers like you will get their money from soon
>>61247653
you're an idiot

>>61247644
>wahhh im worth 7 figs but it's still not enouuugh
cry more, bitch
>in before 7 figs isn't a lot
cry even more, bitch

>>61247653
Lmao kill yourself wagenigger

>>61247624
le offshore tax loope de hole iz productive

>>61247624
crypto is unproductive, it doesn't generate value for anyone, number just goes up because number goes up

>>61247690
why should i give you 1% of my wealth?
Do you think this will finally bring balance to the country's finances?
socialism create retards like you. Hopeless, envious
My money was already taxed 45% when i made it.

>>61247707
>why should i give you 1% of my wealth?
because you live in the jurisdiction of the state which protects your wealth and makes this wealth accumulation possible. without the state, you would be beaten and robbed from on a daily basis. hope this helps. now pay up, bitch

>>61247715
you are such a cuck lmao

>>61247715
kek
And who is paying for the state? you?

do you think able people like me really need state protection? i see you're quickly moving to strength like you are some chad warrior contained by the state

>>61247715
without the state he would employ thugs to beat and rob you, retard
one could argue this is already what he does since the state is also taxing YOU

>>61247734
someone even richer would hire even more thugs to beat him
i.e. total war breaks out
i.e. the state is kind of important
i.e. pay up, bitch

>>61247734
he is parroting the main socialists / communists talking points.
France is heading for bankruptcy 100%. People like him barely make enough each month to survive so they hate on richer people.

Does he realize his wage is 50% taxed before he receives it

>>61247746
>France is heading for bankruptcy 100%.
sounds like it needs more money. people worth 7 figs have money, don't they?

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>>61247745
also state isn't doing its job anymore

>>61247745
their thugs would fight it out for a while before they agree to end the bloodshed and settle into a hierarchy, thus reinventing feudalism and establishing a new class of nobility
you would still be poor though
read a book, commie

>>61247624
Sad. We need global neoliberalism now. Macron needs to cross the rubicon!

Faggots here thinking they can be rich without having power to protect their riches. Lmfao you're all glorified slaves, read Stirner

>>61247757
so you admit that people who think the state is bad just want to make their own state that they control? cool

>>61247624
I love occasionally finding out some retarded shit Europeans do like it's some kind of long running joke that slowly builds on itself

>>61247771
yeah no shit, states weren't invented by aliens, they're just a natural consequence of the way large societies self-organize
doesn't make wealth tax less retarded

>>61247754
yes, but it's theirs. they earned it. No state can proper only from stealing from productive people. No society can flourish. you're heading toward communism, and don't worry i am taking measures against the french state should it fall to leftist retards like you
Also where is the money going my little retard. do you think it is really used for public services and common good or does it ends up in the pocket of some corrupt people, leftists organisations, public workers doing nothing all day?
ever wonder?

>>61247624
How else are they going to transfer the country to all of those Muslims? The French have been suicidal for centuries now

>>61247794
>do you think it is really used for public services
i assume a lot of it is going to feed syrians which is officially considered a public service

>>61247794
a lot of seething for a cuck that will just pay up
pay up faggot

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>>61247624
Yes, it's true, my country is a semi-communist hell. A hideous cross between Amélie Poulin, Resident Evil with immigrants instead of zombies, and the USSR in the 80s. It's terrible, and no, socialism isn't fun or effective. France's only constant and serious innovation is taxation; it's become like wine, a national symbol.

>>61247814
No.
get fucked poorfag
My money is out of reach of this state and i'm already setting up in monacco

>>61247644
>>61247624
unreal lol

>>61247831
sure it is, paycuck
pay up

>>61247771
>People are selfish and want power
Yes

>>61247821
paying taxes does not make it a communist state. hth

>>61247869
tired of being poor i see?
socialism will neither make you rich or happy

>>61247912
stop posting and pay your taxes
nobody cares

>>61247917
you will care when your socialist state inevitably goes bankrupt, like absolutely all leftists shit holes in history
The gibs are already getting harder to get

>>61247931
>>61247917

its for value over 2m, not 1m
they also wanna tax gold holdings etc
retarded
that implies having to dox your cold storage wallets during tax declaration
never gonna happen

>>61247715
Did you not read the 45%? The state already gets more than enough

>It's completely useless
>Also we want some
lol
The absolute state of socialists

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>>61247889
Our current tax rate is higher than Cuba's and Soviet Romania's. It's the only source of revenue for an increasingly bloated state with wasteful spending. Doesn't that remind you of anything ? Have you opened a history book ? Our media is completely biased, like Pravda. Still nothing ? Hello, is anyone there ?

>>61247991
paying taxes does not make it a communist state
i already told you this but apparently you are very thick
please reread it until you get it

>>61247931
pay. up.
Or better yet dont be a retarded goy using KYC'd exchanges

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>>61247624
>A company needs to spend €95k to pay someone €39k as net salary in France

>>61247989
that's not what calling it unproductive wealth means, sweetie. it's cute that you are trying to sound smart though

>>61247984
through your lifetime, from the moment you make money, spend it on a house and pay buying tax, then pay property tax for 30 years, then die, i think the taxation is close to 130%

>>61247624
Only above 2€ million. So biz won't be affected.

I suppose the bjg "reason" is that all crypto holders were French now?

Can you people stop biting bait for five minutes

>>61248006
No, rich people, productive people are leaving en masse which means that this tax will actually lower state income.
have fun, next step is to block people from leaving, tax them more if they are crazy enough to build a business. Eventually poor people like you will get poorer. Pay up your 50% tax on gasoline idiot
Socialism hurt the poors the harder in the end

>>61247715
The state does not provide wealth you nigger.

>>61247999
Read what I wrote again, and I'll add: what kind of state is it whose GDP is almost entirely based on public spending? And with a single party (in this case, the EU)? A state that can expropriate you with a simple administrative decision, freeze your assets, and help itself to your accounts whenever it wants?

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>>61247644
The worst (or funniest) part is that socialism could probably work, or aspects of it could work, if "socialists" (Bolsheviks) didn't also insist on importing millions of third worlders to act as their violent enforcers.

This is by design, of course. The goal was never to make everyone's lives better through socialism, it's not even about "class". It's about absolutely crushing normal citizens, nationalists, destroying the soul of nations, and consolidating power amongst the "socialist" elites who can use socialist policies as a carrot and a stick.

>>61247771
>>61247715
Read up on "Anarcho-tyranny". It's possible for the state to have the power to protect its citizens (which is what you're arguing the state does), but not enforce that power or, in reality, selectively enforce it according to a friend-enemy distinction.

Just because the government tells you they're enforcing the law doesn't mean they are. Sure, if you or I killed someone we'd probably be punished for it. But if a "crazy" person kills an inconvenient citizen? Maybe the "crazy" person will only get probation because they're "too kookoo for trial" and didn't know what they were doing. Etc. Anyone with eyes can see this happening in the USA.

Same goes for tax laws. They're selectively enforced. During the Biden and Obama administration, specific organizations were targeted for audits, prosecution etc. based on political leanings. It's not some schizo theory, it's just reality. Sometimes you gotta grow up and realize this is what "power" looks like.

>>61248011
Damn and i thought germany was retarded, thats fucked up

>>61247624
Money itself is evil, and the people who frame it as the center of society are eviler. Doesn’t matter whether you’re a conservative, liberal, etc, it’s all a chain you all willingly wear.
>>61247706
The same as stocks, the same as interest, the same as options, the same as ETFs, the same as dividends, the same as money, the same as tulips, or seashells, or anything else.

>>61248022
already lowered to 1.3 million
Soon lower and higher.
Exit tax for rich people is next.

>>61248012
this concept of unproductive wealth is completely stupid. If i buy 10 btc for 1 million, someone else is getting 1 million and will buy assets you consider "productive"

I have traveled a bit and frogs wouldn't believe how many french expats there are around big global cities, all are whining about the same thing, taxes.
This 1% tax will incentivize the last ones that didn't move to do so.
And when they see money flight, they'll go tighter by voting that global taxing policy.
I guarantee you people will burn their passports and nobody will pay that exit tax.

>>61248037
Pay. up.

>>61248051
Germany is usually better than people think

>>61248050
france has entirely stopped enforcing law in a consistent way more than 20 years. If a shitskin kill someone in your familly the odds are he will most likely walk free within 4 years maximum. maybe nevet set a foot in jail

>>61248081
based just like russia

>>61248066
yes, pay up 50% tax on gasoline, 20 % on beer, and if you are ever lucky enought o buy a house pay up 1 year of income in tax right away + 1 month salary each year
You think you're smart?
Lol
People like you fuel even more my drive to leave, and believe it or not it's already done

>>61248056
>The same as stocks, the same as interest, the same as options, the same as ETFs,
all of these are productive investments except for options, which are a tool for hedging investments
>the same as dividends,
dividends are something you get paid for holding stocks, not something you hold
>the same as money
literally already taxed via inflation

>>61248011
OH NON NON NON
LE KEK

>>61248041
the state provides the environment in which wealth accumulation is possible
idiot

>>61248036
I think a lot of it is anons blowing off some steam in reaction to more blatant mkt manipulation
Except for that one retarded tankie with half the posts itt. I doubt xhe gets out much

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>>61248081
I believe it, it's insane that people will tell you (with a straight face) that this isn't happening. Laws are selectively enforced. I know it's happening in the UK as well ("two-tier Keir").

So we know that assault/rape/murder charges are selectively enforced. Why would TAX LAWS not be selectively enforced? The answer is, they are. Wealthy friends of the elites in power are probably not targeted, while wealthy enemies are targeted. This is how you consolidate power, you use the state as a weapon.

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>>61247715
what if i just move to another state like i'm doing? that will almost not tax me at all?
What do you say now cuck?

>>61248099
Pay up faggot

>this thread
I can see why boomers think commies are subhumans now

>>61248037
>No, rich people, productive people are leaving en masse
nice. can they do it without whining so much? thanks

>>61248128
>think
Are.
Quite literal parasites in fact.

>>61248056
>The same as stocks, the same as interest, the same as options, the same as

Not the same. Tell me what companies are behind crypto and shitcoins.

You are absolutely donating to indians and chinks making coins out of thin air lmao

>>61248125
do it without whining so much, thanks

>>61248145
>not being able to read

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>>61248132
i love this
You think you're smart and funny. You're probably brown. I see brown do this a lot on X.
"just fuck off!"
Have fun paying up 50% taxes on food soon kek
Ultimately rich people don't really care. they just fuck off and enjoy a nice life while you stay poor and seething in your islamic communist impoverished shit hole.
Soon you will have comparable standards of living with the 3rd world

>>61248145
>boomers [are] commies are parasites
ESL

>>61248145
Not just parasites, but also incredibly smug brainlets. It's literally that midwit normal distribution meme

and remember brown turd, socialists, and other losers : everytime a tax paying citizen leaves the country, it's less money for you, for your brown mum, and more tax burden on your frail shoulders. because the people in charge never gave a fuck about you poories
This being said, i will keep whining if i want to, you have no power over me

>>61248191
Pay up and stop crying

>>61248059
>unproductive wealth
Manipulative term coined by corrupt officials to make the policy palatable this year it targets “unproductive” assets, next year it becomes a blanket 1%+ levy on everything you own.
It’s crafted to vilify productive individuals and appease a resentful class convinced that all wealth comes from immoral exploitation.

>>61248081
>>61247715
>>61247734
>>61247745
The state is not real, it is an imagined entity that only provides the illusory benefit of “convenient” “security” (note the quotation marks) at the cost, whether in time, energy, or resources, of its citizens. Which means that there is at a certain geographical or population size, a “necessary” layer of complexity in the form of representation, to create a way to quickly distill the supposed “will of the majority” (a flawed ideal to begin with) into the system itself by presuming that people will act both as the cogs of the state and the representatives of their respective city, region, town, etc.

The entire system was flawed from the get-go, but was able to maintain itself due to being self insulated within its respective states. Globalism gave this interdependency reasons to “min-max” the relationship between producers and consumers, globally speaking, and at the individual level. The state loves this furious expansion because even in states that could be said to be far less regulated if not unregulated, states want to have wealthy oligarchs residing in them because as you’ll remember, the state presumes to be a system of the people for the people, and wealthy people will proportionally contribute more resources, and may (and usually do) throw additional resources at these representative agents, in the form of campaign support or NGOs that the ultra rich use to craft the language of public consensus.

everything in our world is controlled, fake and gay, out of malice, greed, or both. Money is not your friend, the STATE certainly isn’t your friend. Tyrants and thugs or whatever conceptual excuse you need to justify the state would/will presumably exist with or without it, so why add the extra evil on top of whatever baseline evil humanity has? Alternatively, it could be theorized that a great deal of so called “inherent” evil will diminish if a more equitable world emerged.

>>61248056
wrong, fiat is evil, money isn't, retard

>>61248146
All money is formed out of thin air. Even when backed by gold, it is an abstraction of value that only functions when all involved parties pretend it means anything, and agree on a value. That value has always been debated, but recent monetary policies have rendered any strength of the dollar (or any other currency) or any sustained value inert.

You are not nearly initiated enough. If you don’t hate money, for starters, you’re not on the right path. But it’s not hard, and it’s never too late, to start.

>>61248118
No, the people accumulate wealth. The state only presumes, at best, to act as an insulator for a particular group of people within a defined area to accumulate wealth within a set system (a particular currency). You attribute way too much to the state.

>>61248261
nobody is accumulating wealth in a war zone

>>61248261
>>61248239
>>61248213
most intellectual ancap

>>61248213
>The state is not real
I agree. More so, laws are not real. They are really brain farts that some people arbitrarilly decided. We can see how stupid laws are when we look at this just for an example. >>61248211

This being said, laws are even losely enforced depending on the topic. They banned prostitution in france but less than 100 men get sentenced each year for using prostitutes.

Not saying some laws aren't right and moral.
My point is income tax didn't exist a century ago, it was started around 1900 in france, and now whenever you make any sizeable amount it's basically normal for the state to take 60% of it.

But really, why is the state owed anything? on what moral standard? we all go on our everyday lives and consider tax paying as something normal but it's a completely artifical and shaky concept. Especially when the state (real or not) isn't doing its fucking job at all anymore and every part of the system is defective (security, laws, education, freedom, etc...)

The real bareer is fear. But when you realize you can just fuck off the state is completely powerless out of its geographic reach

>>61248228
No, retard, MONEY is evil. Fiat is an even more evil expression of the concept, because it breaks the rules money and monetary systems pretend to have that pretend to make them logical, ethically sound systems.

I know I’m barking up the wrong tree trying to speak truth on this topic to this board, but one ought not preach to the church, but preaches to the godless.

Merde.
France Is fucked

>>61248296
acting like the state is pointless and unneeded is like a gold fish swimming in water asking "why is water owed anything? we don't need water! we're doing just fine without it" lol

>>61248296
If the laws are not real why can I ass rape you in prison? Pay up

>>61248282
If wealth is skulls, rich men emerge from a battlefield

>>61248302
do you consider BTC evil too? btc solves this

>>61248340
careful with that edge, kid

>>61248339
>>61248331
silence
you are the bottom of the food chain, clapping for gibs. you don't ass rape anyone.

The state could be welcome if it was functionnal and fair, not a corrupt inefficient oligarchy of retards who have never worked one day in their lives.
Socialism does not work
Communism does not work

Pay up those 50% taxes on gas. Can you pay up hollidays? do you count your money everytime you buy groceries? pay up

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>>61247715
>you live in the jurisdiction of the state which protects your wealth
>France
lamo nigga go drive you Ferrari in muslim infested zones and see how much the state protect you LAMO
not even that squatters can stay in you property for years before cops show up to kick them out LOL
you are so fucking clueless how bad it it here

>>61248364
Pay. up.

>>61248331
The closer approximation would be air, because air is a physical constant and, as far as we know, necessary for beings that respirate to live. The state is pure fiction, and the fact that you conflate air (or water for a fish) to the state is either a testament to your individual idiocy, the brainwashing (of the state, mandatory school system, extension of the state), or both.

But, if I can attempt to reframe your thought process so we don’t just fling shit at each other:
You think the state is a foregone conclusion, a necessary medium for (intelligent? Organized?) life. What you’re really getting at, I imagine, is social behaviors/cooperation. Which CAN lead to hierarchy/governance/leadership, whatever word you prefer, which becomes and/or embodies the essence of the state. But human cooperation while beneficial is not a “must”. It is a “should”, and I’d agree to that, but there are also different ways to cooperate, and boundaries within that. That’s for starters.

>>61248389
i see, you're now reduced to that line.
Your buck is completely broken, my work is done
Going back to my interesting and wealthy existence
By the way i wasn't talking to you, i was just trying to make my point for other anons

>>61248213
based and Stirner-pilled

>>61248302
either you're an authentic monkey, or a paid parasite. but your trickery won't work and cannot work anymore, people see clearly.
if you don't have money you don't have power and you depend on whatever authority decides to take care of you. money allows people to create savings which make them non dependant which is the opposite of evil. evil is control. money also makes the economy much more efficient because it solves the problem of double coincidence of wants

>>61248050
nailed it

>>61248420
By the way, pay up

>>61248342
All forms of currency are, at best, playing absolute devil’s advocate, like guns, neutral tools that get a bad rep for the way they’re used. Before I say this, let me say I have stocks, I have crypto, I have money (not a lot, but some) and if you think that makes me a hypocrite I invite you to consider the alternative of having no money: functionally, if not directly - an untimely demise. Hell, even with money, your untimely demise can come about it from what we’re told/forced to spend that money on - we don’t just budget our dollars, we budget our time, our health, and our lives in pursuit of resource accumulation; “I’ll live on McDonald’s and ramen while I save up at this new job” for instance. That said, I am of the firm belief that crypto is the future of money, but not decentralized, if anything, the opposite. Ultra-centralized. State run cryptos, state BACKED cryptos, or even cryptos with little to no gov’t affiliation that merely have their ledgers tracked by the plethora of creepy clandestine intelligence agencies that operate beneath our noses. Do you really think they want the future to be LESS controlled and not more? Handing someone a Benjamin can go completely untraced by the IRS, and remember, as I said in my earlier post >>61248213 the state, EVEN under the presumption that it’s operating in good faith for the overall moral good of the people that comprise it, must attempt to reach peak efficiency to do so, even at the threat of the life, liberty, and property, of those same people. A peak efficient system will not allow for the “human error” of things like the little actions we all do that “cheat the system” whether it’s a few hundred bucks here or there, or a few million. That itself begs the question of human nature and why we need the state to attempt to regulate us, but I think it proves something more immediate and terrifying beyond that: the state is a separate entity. 1/2

>>61248475
buy gold

>>61248296
Well the money was created by the government issuing debt certificates, so you're barely qualified to even earn it in the first place. Arguing about who should be owed what is a chicken and egg situation, the only ratio that matters is earned income to cost of living which is why the US is so precarious

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>>61247624
Based

>>61248499
Gold is 'undervalued' or 'overvalued' at different times just the same as any FIAT currency, you'd need to move between them freuently to actually get any output from it during your lifetime

>>61248475
No, not a being, or a living entity, but an existential will of its own that forms when men act on its behalf. And you may say, “well Anon, certainly those men are just the greedy tyrants who never believed in any ethical principles to begin with, and lie their way into power to skim off the top”. To that I will reply, that even principled men, the Boy Scouts as it were of our world, equally contribute to the existence of the state as will, by operating on its behalf. It does not matter the intention of the individual, good, bad, or neutral - by keeping the system running, over time, you create something that MUST be fed, MUST be maintained. After such aggressive expansion, of course many people, like an earlier Anon I replied to, lose imagination, become indoctrinated by the state and/or their fellow slaves, to the extent that they cannot imagine life without it.

>>61248359
It doesn’t need to be “edgy” for the point to stand. I only responded to the example I was given, it works with less “edgy” examples as well. If wealth is flowers, rich men emerge from meadows, etc. People will (presumably) always try to accumulate whatever resources for their own comfort and/or greed

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>>61248532
not really

>>61248499
I have silver, actually. Not because I have something against gold (no more than I do anything used as a medium of greed), but because it is substantially cheaper.

>>61248420
>my work is done
no it isn't
you still gotta pay your taxes, bitch

>>61248541
Let's say you bought in 2000 and held since then, you've realized $0 that could help you live a better life in 25 years. If you'd identified times when gold was overvalued, you could have diversified and rebought the same amount once gold had corrected. The S&P made more money than gold on a 'just hold' basis

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>>61248514
Is Vegeta French?

>>61248050
>>61248081
The only thing the people of europe have to do is generate an ai video of their leaders insulting muhammad and the rest will work itself out

>>61247624
Lmao this is what the democrats want in the US too

>>61248566
I said s&p, I meant nasdaq

>>61247644
>value adding citizen
You're a crypto holder, not an artisan or a worker. You add no value.

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>YOU JUST NEED THE HECKING STATES AND ALL THOSE HECKING PEOPLE ON GIBS AND ALL THOSE MIGRANTS AND ALL THOSE USELESS POLITICIANS

No.

>B B BBUT MY GIBS! YOU WILL PAY !

No? i'm setting up my business in a tax haven and moving my residency to monaco. What are you going to do about it? invade monaco with your army of nafris?

>>61248678
i own some crypto yes. I also work and run a business in financial audits. It's always laughable when parasites talk about improductivity

>>61247624
Someone's gotta pay for the 5 billion browns

>>61248679
>French nationals residing in Monaco are subject to French income taxes, unless they became residents of Monaco before 1957
>https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/060316/why-monaco-considered-tax-haven.asp

>>61248679
if all you have to do is set up a super easy tax haven, then stop whining. tax rates should be 99% then. you can easily avoid all of it, yes? no problem then?

Hon hon! Quintessentially French!

https://youtu.be/r2UGEdj5cgw

>>61248678
You're a reddit troon the only value you could add to the world would be killing yourself so you can fertilize the soul

>>61248710
don't talk about what you don't know

>>61248714
yes let's tax everyone 100%
So smart

>>61248742
sounds like you're the one talking about what you don't know, mr. monaco tax haven lol

>>61248692
>thinking finantial audits ACTUALLY add value to society

>>61248692
>I also work and run a business in financial audits.
AI does that for free.

>>61248735
Get a job and moderate your living expenses. This basically fixes all problems.

All this whimpering is just the usual bitching of children who don't understand the world. The alternative to socialism does not exist. It's either American or Russian style oligarchy or total anarchy, and none of those are good. You should in fact be thankful that you live in an actual state.

>>61248761
>finantial
esl

>>61248679
I think you're missing the part where even your mechanic is getting washed away by inflation and needs gibs at this point. The threshold of people needing gibs keeps going up

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>>61247624
Thanks for investing in Geneva.

It'll be a long way until such a law gets approved and made, if ever. Enough time for the smart ones of France's richer side to get the fuck outta there.
The UK rich/wealthy already took off. Germany and Austria's are in the process. France won't be different.

>>61248499
This proposed French idea does not only include crypto. It includes gold, art, antiques, cars and so on as well. Just read it.
> unproductive
Euros are screwed. The broad masses won't even understand that the idea alone, that it is any of a governments business how and how much of your damn OWN MONEY you invest in legal ways (and are already taxed for anyway), the idea alone should scare them shitless.

>>61248879
the vast vast majority of french people will be untouched by this tax and will not care

>>61247624
France INSTANTLY loses 90% of it's brown people.
Incredibly based

>>61248879
french cattle is used to this. The problem is socialism is reaching its final stage. They were used to freeloading, free gibs, easy pensions at 60 years old, and retarded leftist double think.
Problem is money is running out, so they are getting more agressive to try to maintain their parasitic lifestyle. Only 30% or less of people in france produce any actual value. The others live at their expense

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>>61248679
based

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>>61247889
Indeed, it's a clownmunist state instead.
In 2024 we once again were the most taxed country on planet earth, but with a new record : most taxed country ever in the entire history of planet earth.

>>61247624
They gonna tax you for holding USD instead of EUR, too? What about holding precious metals instead of EUR?
Luigi time.

>>61248847
>Enough time for the smart ones of France's richer side to get the fuck outta there.
Bruh they left a LONG time ago already, the richfag migration happened over a decade ago, only poorfags and middle class hellcucks remain.

>>61248475
markets don't give a f about what states think. that's why fiat always end up at 0. bitcoin or something else decentralized will succeed.

Off subject - but I don't think Chainlink, as an example will qualify as 'unproductive' though being a crypto.
>>61248886
>the vast vast majority of french people will be untouched by this tax
Of course.
But if they understood the intrusion of this idea, and what it could mean for them too, if a government steadily keeps taking away basic freedoms, it would help. However... I doubt this law will gat made. Keep in mind that these politicians own shit themselves.

>>61248678
>You add no value.
So what?

>>61248678
Communists deserve to die

Actually insane that this happened in France.
If it happens where I live I know I'll just have to ask for asylum or something. I'll post some pro-Israel posts on xitter and Trump will understand.

>>61248678
>>61248735
>>61248692
People are beings, not balances. By thinking of them as “productive” or not, as “adding value” or not, you’re already playing the game of your oppressors.

It’s that same kind of collectivist thinking that leads to the kinds of policies this very thread is about.
>>61248768
>The alternative to socialism does not exist. It's either American or Russian style oligarchy or total anarchy, and none of those are good. You should in fact be thankful that you live in an actual state.
I will never in my life understand how people are not just content in their limited imagination and wisdom, not just proud of it, but downright arrogant of it. None of this is even remotely true or the extent of things.

>>61248678
Sell your crypto. Cheating the system is illegal and not kosher, goy.

>>61248955
There are late bloomers and people that stayed because of their sick, old, and dying parents. Some of these people hold family values in very high regard.
There was another wave of them leaving the UK just recently.

Now if all these people leaving their countries with a great deal of financial means, had their own little country instead of spreading all over the planet, it might be a nice country.

Money saved is an account IS productive.
Saving money is productive. The act of not consuming, while accumulating means you're producing more while leaving more resources in the economy for everyone else. Savings pushes down prices.

>>61249079
>Saving money is productive
>The act of not consuming
cool it with the anti-semitism bro

>>61249079
ok but that's not economic productivity... that's the opposite. you're essentially saying not being productive is productive. in other words, you're an idiot

>>61249105
it's not your fucking money. You will never get any of it.
Get your own money, loser

>>61249163
if the state wants more of the money that it allowed you to make under its jurisdiction, it will take it. and you will bitch, cry, and moan, but you will pay up. period.

>>61249186
This is why you leave before any such things happen.

>>61249220
ok, leave. bye

>>61249105
The opposite of production is consumption.
Savings is accumulating saved production while not consuming it. You're leaving more resources in the economy for everyone else

>>61249225
I did.

>>61249105
t. keynesian cuck

>>61249253
cool so stop whining. problem's solved for you. enjoy whatever shit hole you moved to

>>61249268
all jokes aside but are you baiting rn? I cant tell. I hope you are. You are weird, dude

>>61249282
hes right, either do something or stop complaining you fembrained faggot

>>61249268
>>61249314
I did something. And I wasn't whining. I was sharing my view of things.

>>61248995
>I will never in my life understand how people are not just content in their limited imagination and wisdom, not just proud of it, but downright arrogant of it. None of this is even remotely true or the extent of things.
That's collectivists, by and large, in my experience. There is something about that style of ideology that appears to force you into cognitive dissonance, whereas the conclusion (some impossible utopic ideal usually) is an absolute certainty, and anything impeding this outcome is categorically evil. This, in turn, makes non-collectivists a proxy for such evil and not necessary to entertain their thoughts, ideas, or criticisms.

>>61249330
you ran away and decided to whine on 4chan lol

>>61249346
>whines about collectivists while enjoying the fruit of collectivist labor

>>61249369
Are you such a fan of how far the European governments take things, that you try to ridicule this discussion into forgottenhood?

>>61247644
Just wait until your home is considered "unproductive wealth"

>>61249446
What a time to be alive

>>61247624
Don't all the actual rich French people just let go of their passport and live in Monaco or Switzerland

>>61247624
Should just use houdini or aster, only cex will get taxed anyways

>>61249523
france isn't like the cuck USA. if their rich people are purposefully avoiding taxes they will get fucked by the state

>61249377
There, exactly
This mindbroken bot is unable to think for themselves and, while I'm not going to comb the thread exhaustively, it seems most of their posts are mockeries of real arguments, with the meat of their position simply being to leverage the violence of the state against perceived enemies. Considering how dug in to their position they appear, this one might be terminal and unable to help themselves; deprogramming at this point would be akin to manually excising a brain tumor.
No (You)s for bots :^}

>>61249531
... or just a French dude with great pride and left thinking. many such cases.

>>61249563
thats cool chud now pay up

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>>61247624
1% wealth tax is a good way to kill all social mobility and keep poor people poor.

It doesn't do anything to the rich, who will just leave the country.

Unfortunately as countries are bastardized and the problems pile up, they will eat and destroy each other. South Africanization.

>>61247644
hopefully millionaires can manage to do better than +1% in a year. not that i agree with this or anything

>>61247644
I don't care about rich faggots. Why the fuck would I live like a slave just so they can live like gods?? Fuck that shit.

>>61247715
>without the state, you would be beaten and robbed from on a daily basis
the state releases criminals to attack you then destroys your life if you defend yourself. its a huge racket

>>61247644
>stop at 1 millions and give the company or whatever to your son/family/friend (pick im not your mom)
Here bro, stop being a fucking jew and live your life in peace, Lepen even succefuly protected primary house from this taxe.

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>>61247624
>unproductive wealth
So uh they gonna tax themselves for all those paintings they value at $1 trillion dollars? A modest $1 billion tax per painting should be fine.

>>61250555
uh yeah they are
maybe you should read things before lashing out and looking like a moron

>>61250572
lol you're really are retarded.
You will stay poor, sexless, envious loser. You have no value. You can only hope the state will take some money and give it to you

He was referring to the paintings in museum btw

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>>61250457
nazis were socialists

>>61247624
So that's why Zcash has been pumping like crazy. Only privacy coin with good enough liquidity and DeFi integrations.

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pay up that 20% taxes on your electricity bill poorfag
pay up that 50% taxes taken from you on your wage poorfag
Pay up that 50% tax on gasoline my nigger
Pay uuuuuuuuuup
Pay uuuuuuuup those groceries you can't afford
pay uuuuuuuuuuup for all those algerians who hate your guts and you have to live in the same areas than them

>>61250654
this never happened btw

>>61250080
>I'm not envious!
>I just constantly ruminate about a caricature of rich people in my head that was put there by propaganda from....rich people

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>>61250572
Pay uuuuuuuuuup for the state who protects you from importing millions of browns retards and letting them run free
Pay uuuuuuup and stay poor and die poor you fucking loser

>>61250708
he probably has no money in the bank on the 15th and he thinks this tax will make his life better kek
leftists are just subhumans who should be let to die of starvation

>>61247644
Anon what's the average wealth growth rate for anyone rich enough?

>>61250716
if people like you don't like this tax, then i like it
simple as

>>61247624
I just read that the far right voted in favour of this law.

What a bunch of worthless cuckolds. This, once again, shows that both far left and far right are morons of an equal scale.

I hope they lose, though, and this law won't pass, for it would be better for humanity.

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>>61247715
>the state which protects your wealth
Apparently not.

>>61250727
shut up fucking loser
When france finally collapses, you will have to give your bussy to survive
You are worthless.
Socialists only buy your vote with others people money

>>61248011
What's the US equivalent?

>>61250743
this just proves that France is very socialist
AFD in Germany wouldnt have voted for it

>Political disputes are ongoing, but an unusual alliance of Socialists, far-right Rassemblement National (RN), and centrist MPs supported the amendment, according to The Connexion

>>61250743
they either have to face the street riots and lose boomer vote, or keep taxing more (but that will not actually work because optimal taxation has already been exploded). In short, debt will keep increasing because this country simply has too many worthless losers and leeches that have no skill, no brain, no value and depends on taking money from productive individuals and productive businesses.
However the joke is about to end

>>61250721
i'm not sure i understand your question. But if someone invest 2 millions in real estate, if they make average investments and rent it, with this tax, they will barely beat inflation. (unless the properties appreciate a lot which could or could not happen)

>>61250743
Right can get richer while left get eaten by the 1% every year because they just got mommy and daddy money

>>61250756
lmao indeed

>>61247644
>they are included in the "taxe sur la fortune" which basically punishes everyone above 1 mil networth to give 1% of their wealth each year to the state.
Based.

>>61247644
Only 1%? They gotta crank that up.

>>61251174
>1% of 1 millions
>10 000
They could save 10 time that by firing a single DEI hire working from them, funny how these faggot cry about losing money for nothing

French here, you don’t know the situation. French politic is not about tax the rich, and we are not the type of socialism country you think.
The plan is to stop poor people to be rich. Bourgeoisie don’t want to have new people around them. And crypto was one of the thing that could make poor try to be rich. And I think most of countrys in europe and outside make in place this scam
I pay more tax than a billionaire as a nurse. And its always for poor people to pay (or stop being paid)
Sorry for the synthax

>>61251320
Frenchie, it is not about your country. it is not about the rich or poor. It is about your country and Germany simultaneously driving your countries against the wall just so you can support some sandbaggers who contribute nothing, and drain your budgets. Why? Because the political opinion has to be that these niggers are just the same. Well they are not.

>>61251349
>just so you can support some sandbaggers who contribute nothing
Why do you retards always scapegoat immigrants? The overwhelming burden on the budget of European states comes from 1. pensioners, 2. falling populations because said pensioners didn't have enough children and 3. lack of economic innovation due to taxing everyone to death to pay for the pensions and healthcare of aforementioned pensioners.

>>61251320
>as a nurse
french chicks do got nice tits ill give em that, not the largest but good form
4/20 overall country tho, healthcare is basically the only reason to live there if you're a sickly person or like sucking on random tits, bread ain't bad either
what's up with the blue haired fake goths btw its pretty gay they aren't big tiddy and they smell even worse than usual somehow

>>61247706
>crypto is unproductive
Dude literally the entire financial system will be tokenized. Invest or stay poor, your choice.

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2025/10/30/jpmorgan-completes-first-blockchain-based-private-fund-transaction-amid-tokenization-push

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>>61248678
>You add no value.
Who gets to determine this?

>>61251349
what does this thread have to do with Germany?
Bitcoin is taxfree in Germany if you hold longer than 1 year, you retarded fuck

>>61247624
They also import niggers en masse.

>>61251886
tokenized on which chains though?

>>61247706
>number just goes up because number goes up
then why are you not buying? instead of complaining about capitalists getting rich why aren't you becoming a capitalist? stop with this cuck shit.

>>61247690
You're gonna be stuck with a bunch of nogs and muslims that contribute somehow even less to the economy than your useless dead end job ass. All the rich will leave and take their wealth and industry with them. You will have achieved your socialist paradise.

>>61247624
I hate to say it but - BASED FRANCE!

>>61251900
anyone with a brain and a pulse can understand you jerking your dick to sissy hypno while you hold fake internet money in a wallet somewhere does not
>add value

>>61251900
econ 101 and common sense, sweetie

Cut it out with the french, can the anon who fucked the tranny last night give an update

>>61251819
>anon doesn't mention immigrants
>a random leftist trips over themselves to denigrate them anyway
Man, this culture war really can't get any fucking stupider, can it?

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>>61252156
Nope its guns try again Jr.
Try to understand going forward. Maybe read your hero Chairman Mao better?

>>61247624
Hilarious that these guys almost conquered the world at one point. How the mighty have fallen

>>61247644
very based, millionaire faggots must pay their fair share

>>61251174
I propose to tax any net worth above 100K by 10% per year

Any net worth above 200k by 20 % per year

Above 300k by 30% per year

Above 400k by 40% per year

Etc

>>61251349
(i'm the french guy)
When you read about what happend in the "little paper" (who do what) you understand that every bad decison is about hidding or stealing monney. Immigrant work and it's not because you see 20 guy who take crack in some place in Paris that everything is burning.
How making it about migrant will change my economical situation ? Does they all have limbo in their origin country ?
It's not germany and french playing at the woke game. It never was. In fact it's some bourgeois family who get married together (as always) who destroyed to sell more.

>>61251819
Pensioners also are not the problem (in my opinion) they work to one day rest. We are here on /biz to make the exact same thing . But when I learned that billionnaire in my country hide 100 000 000 every year in offshore account it's kinda funny to hate on old people who work for 50 years in the same place for the same pay.

Like I said "they" want you to hate immigrant, or old people, or politic so they can make money on the other side

>>61253265
Fuck if I say just take any positive net worth away from everybody. Rip the fucking bandage off already

>>61248678
They hated anon because he spoke the truth.
>>61247644
Whoa there fellow redditor, you're starting to sound like one the F-words! (f*scist)

Also tax the fuck out of debt. Honey moon is over, round up the slaves and get serious

100% of all inheritance should go to the state and you should be fined 100% on top of it for having held that non productive capital which could have been put to good use by the state.

The time of capitalism must end

>>61247624
>unproductive wealth
Yes, France is moving to tax cryptocurrencies as part of a new "unproductive wealth" tax. A recent amendment approved by the French National Assembly as of October 31, 2025, proposes expanding the wealth tax to include digital assets like Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies under the category of "unproductive wealth." This would apply a flat 1% annual tax on net taxable wealth exceeding €2 million, covering not only real estate but also luxury items, collectibles, and cryptocurrencies.

Crucially, this tax would apply even to unrealized gains, meaning crypto holders could face the tax regardless of whether they sold their holdings or not. The initiative aims to discourage accumulation of assets deemed economically inactive or non-productive and encourage investments that actively contribute to economic growth.

The proposal still requires approval by the French Senate and completion of the legislative process but signals a significant shift in France's approach to taxing digital assets, treating them similarly to luxury property and collectibles as "unproductive wealth".

CHINK NIGGER COUNTRY

And all pensioners and other non productives must be euthanized. Except if they are brown retards who contribute to killing off the toxic segments of white society. They are a necessary evil to eradicate our sins

Private property, private sector, self employment and money must all be abolished. We will not be healed until every single person is living in a government work camp

Fuck it we should just nuke this fucking planet, speed run this cocktail tease already

>>61253309
Looking forward to IRS agents knocking down doors to inventorize all the citizens unproductive assets.

Food in fridge must as well be taxed. We must dissuade the greedy citizens from overloading the ecological system. From now on, only eat bugs in government cantine

>>61253362
>>61253348
>>61253340
>>61253333
>>61253313
meds

>>61253368
Government will prescribe meds to neutralize unproductive thoughts and tax them

>>61248261
kek fucking retard, go accumilate wealth in darien gap then, i heard its a lawless zone with plenty of looting and illegal bussiness going on.
just dont cry when you get shot and kidnapped, faggot.

>>61253373
meds tranny

>>61253400
Lawlessness is artificially created by governments displacing hordes of savages

>>61253420
And from wich country are you ? j

>>61247715
Without the state niggers like you would have their heads put in pikes along with the Jews that enable you and white people could live in peace without the fruits of their labour being stolen by you parasites

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>>61247624
>unproductive wealth
isn't that just another term for "politician"?

>>61253309
I will unironically report every single collector of magic cards or retro video games. They all have to suffer as well.

>>61247624
They're doing this because of the pension in France. The pension needs reforming, as it's ruining the country financially, but the French riot every single time and they won't allow it. Then those same French boomers insist on allowing endless foreigners in the country because [reasons].

They're all hyper emotional retards.

>>61253309
> covering not only real estate
lol i guess the faggot owning half the housing market and scaming company 20K per month rent will have a meltdown with all of his empty building

>>61253947
>as it's ruining the country financially,
Actual fake new btw, don't stop media and politician to spam it like madmen and act like it's true

>>61248990
>Actually insane that this happened in France.
French boomers want to pillage the youth and sink the country just to keep their pensions going. They don't care anymore.

This is the canary country. You'll start to see pension crisis all over in other nations when it becomes clear that they can no longer afford it.

Boomers don't care that the youth is paying into a pension system that will never be around for them to enjoy it when it comes their turn. They're done pretending to care about the future generations. "Fuck you, pay us" is what they all chant.

>>61253969
No it isn't, retard. None of the youth being taxed to prop up pensions in the West will be able to enjoy those pensions later. That whole system will go bust long before then.

Actually think.

>>61247624
Wealth flight like never seen before incoming lmao

>>61253985
oh so your talking about the future full of shitskin, no shit this will not work retard.

>>61253985
The pension system is just insane all across the West. Boomers have enjoyed the biggest growth economy with the least amount of taxes. Think about it whenever a boomer says he worked hard to get what he has.
In Spain VAT was added in 1978 and it was just 12%. Before that there was no VAT and only companies paid a tax on their overall profits. It was only in 1995 that VAT was increased to 16% and 18% in 2010 and 21% in 2012. Income tax has also been increased by not adjusting the brackets to inflation since 2010 and directly raising the marginal rates too.
Don't get me started on other direct taxes that were introduced as copays for state services boomers didn't have to pay when they were young like property taxes and transmission taxes.
So boomers enjoyed a low tax economy while young with obviously high growth and as they aged they voted for more taxes on young (productive) people while increasing benefits for old people (boomers). They have been the sole beneficiaries of the system. They are indeed the fucking worst generation of all recorded history. Geezers literally enslaving their own children for their own comfort.
All problems stem from fucking boomers. Immigration, crime, high taxes, shit public services, high unemployment. It's all downstream of boomers. This is why so called far-right parties like Melony in Italy still cuck out in key issues like immigration. Because immigration is not the root issue, it's fucking boomers and their greedy mouths. I will only vote for a party when it addresses the boomer issue. You can't just post Hitler edits when an immigrant slaughters a train full of british people and think it will solve anything. it's the fucking boomers that are voting and influencing government to import more slaves for them to leech off.
Fuck old people. Fuck them with a rusty iron bar.

>>61254030
Thank you for conceding that it isn't "fake news" you fucking actual idiot. The boomers of today are expecting young Westerners to pay into a pension system that they themselves will never get a chance to use later on, and they don't care how much the youth are taxed to make this happen.

>>61254051
>country full of shitskin criminal
>explode
>damn im not going to get my pension
no one will ever have time to think about this shit

>>61250756
you hit the nail on the head, carlos

>>61254095
Based FAc3T id.

>>61253974
Fortunately it's less so in Belgium, but the pensions are still way too high. If they raise tax then things will become completely ridiculous.

>>61248558
Wrong.

>>61247644
>value adding citizen

>>61248692
Ok you are a value adding citizen, but crypto isnt a value adding activity. It is like land especulation. It is improductive

>>61251900
Words have meaning. Agriculture , industry etc generate wealth. Investing in crypto is just speculation that adds nothing.

>>61254050
Wrong, it's all comes from lost WW2 to Jews who flooded West with shitskins and then made West export all technology and manufacturing to China. France could recover but it won't this time because you have millions of niggers and muslims infesting France while white French demography is almost zero. Europe is dead zone till it goes fully Hitler and genocides all the subhumans and grabs whole Africa to itself and bombs competition like China into stoneage.

>>61247715
I live in Bongland where the exact opposite of this is true.

Friends, I know this goes against your interests , but it is not irrational. It is common to use taxation to stimulate production if wealth an to avoid speculation. Crypto is just hoarded in the hope there is a moment of overvaluation. That is a lot of capital accumulated producing nothing.
His is not communism. Therere taxes in capitalism.

>>61254374
The french textile companies in bangladesh or whatever sen their profits back to france, where it partially becomes taxes for thr french people. Manufacturing is made in bangladesh because their salary is lower so there is less cost. This board has made fun of "wagies" forever. Od you think any of us would want to work in a french textile company?

>>61254374
All of these issues you state come from boomers. Even if you think Jews caused this it's boomers that let them do it with glee. The enabler is the one responsible for the damage done.
The shitskin problem will solve itself when states declare bankrupcy and stop social spending. Most niggers will go back to their countries on their own and the ones that stay will be dealt with one way or the other.

>>61254050
Boomers dont decide elections alone.

>>61254488
They do. They have set the culture since the 60s and all our institutions are infested with their lib-shit philosophy. Just look at our political leaders, they are all boomers. JD Vance is the first millenial vicepresident but all presidents in the West have been born in their respective baby booms.
If milleanials and gen xs haven't touched power it's because they just can't. They don't hold cultural power and those that manage to get far is by licking the boomer ring.

>>61247624
>unproductive wealth
many wrongs in this statement, bitcoin is not wealth is a calculation that does not exist in reality, it is not only unproductive but it is counterproductive and negative for society, because we use electric power to mine a bunch of nothingness and price for power goes up for everyone, its a massive waste of resources.

>>61254579
This is just commie speak. Any activity or asset can be deemed "useless" and confiscated by the state. Gold is way overpriced if you value it by just it's electronic properties.
All jewelry is also unproductive, tv and movies too yet they hold value by consumers and people pay for them.
Now, as the filthy disgusting commie that you are, you should ask yourself: why do people pay to "waste" electricity and hold an "imaginary" currency? Maybe they do precisely to avoid your filthy grubby hands from their wealth. The more you tax people to try to punish "unproductive" assets the more value they will hold.

>>61254697
PAY UP YOU USELESS FAGGOT

>>61254717
>calling others useless faggots
The ironing

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>>61247715
>because you live in the jurisdiction of the state which protects your wealth
So then people move until the state becomes Venezuela?

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>>61247624
CONTRE MACRON!

>>61254579
true lol

>>61254697
gold actually exists IRL
bitcoin is just 1s and 0s on a computer

>>61247624
let the fud begin
bear season is here boys
china will ban crypto next week

>>61247624
It is. Not productive than stake lock and earn usdc on houdini ano

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>>61254579
>>61255488
Dumb collectivist scum on SA and r/buttcoin have been saying the same thing for 15 years now.
Stay poor and mad! You get nothing because you are morally and intellectually inferior to those of us who read and understood the white paper when it came out, the people who will drag you and your ungrateful spawn kicking and screaming out of servitude
t. OG since 2012, 8 figures in US mickey mouse script

>>61255651
uh huh, sure

France is a practice govt btw

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>>61255697
>the only way loser socialist anon can cope is by imagining people like me couldn't possibly exist
top kek

>>61255853
i know rich people irl
they typically aren't cringe posters

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>>61255854
>u r cringe poster
>36 pbtid
top tier riposte m8

Bullish for Andorra