Why does EVERYONE hate software engineers?If someone sees you make a good living and they ask what you do and the answer is anything software or tech related, they immediately start seething. They get visibly angry at the fact people get paid 200-300-400k a year if they’re good at developing software. Even though there are plenty of professions that pay more like finance, law, business, etcThe also act like this job is easy when if it was actually easy then everyone would be doing it. I’m not saying coding is the hardest thing ever but 80-90% of normies cannot wrap their minds around it People will gleefully tell me my job will be eliminated (one dude I know has been saying that since 2015) when they find out I’m a SWE. Meanwhile I continue to bank 300k+ a year
I thought about it for a minute and I figured they know we mostly work for jews and earn money by making products that make life worse rather than fixing their broken thumb
>>61315798big tech has really worn out its welcome, they barely ever make products that actually help anybody or make the world better
>>61315798It's because you're brown and took the job from a white person.
>>61315798Why does software just keep getting worse every year? It used to work smoothly and without any crashes or unpredictable behaviour. But now any work computer (ie anything which I don't manage myself) constantly breaks, runs slow as shit, and spies on everything you do."Software engineers" can get fucked. I don't want what you're selling.>t. Actual engineer
>>61315883You’re a fucking zoomer if you think software has become less reliable over the years. You obviously haven’t used anything old. I used to get constant blue screens back in the day, random bugs out of nowhere, terrible security vulnerabilities that are much less common now. Software has become enshittified though which I agree w/ you on. But those choices were intentional business decisions by MBA types
>>61315798because most software engineers are reddit tier losers while law or finance are chad professions. People sneed because some fucking losers is paid better than them but still remains a loser in every other aspect in life. Its like "How can you have such amount of money but still remain a fucking loser weirdo wtf is wrong with you?" its annoying
>>61315798They be jelly. You may think it's not hard but most people can't do it. Simple as.Commoners always hate anyone who is doing better than the rest though, they hate lawyers, they hate doctors, they hate stock brokers. The only ones they don't hate are celebs and some politicians and that's just because they generate warm feelings for them.
>why would people hate me for making money spying on them to try to manipulate their behavior better
>>61315798>Why does EVERYONE hate software engineers?because they're an easy targeteveryone should hate software engineering managers, product managers and ui/ux designers, they're the root of all evil that you see in software
>>61315968Nobody hates doctors besides internet schizos. Stock brokers contribute nothing to society, lawyers often make life worse for everyone who has to interact with them
>>61315942>the codenigger cries out in pain as he whips youmost software is webapp stuff these days. webapps get shittier and laggier by the day. just compare 2012 facebook to today.
>>61315972Exactly. And the fact they ask such stupid questions is a testament to their lack of self-awareness.
>>61315950It's this. The rise of the tech sector allowed huge numbers of socially awkward dorks to sidestep all the time-honored gatekeeping mechanisms that had kept them from excelling in traditional professions, and people who had thrived under old gatekeeping system or at least had made their peace with it took exception to this. From a normie pov it looked like a bunch of low status guys cutting in line or winning some inscrutable lottery.
>>61315844This. Oh look they updated Windows to be more intrusive and demand a login. Oh look they updated Youtube to require a login just to watch a video to "protect the community." Oh look I can't use my VR headset without logging into Facebook first. Oh look the Facebook account I just made to use this VR headset is flagged for suspicious activity and I need to confirm I'm the account owner even though I just made the account 1 picosecond ago. Oh look I can't keep using this software unless I sign in to let it ping back to their server. Oh look...
>>61316116also everything needs a niggerlicious 2FA or MFA login.
>>61316116This is like blaming construction workers for ugly looking buildings. It was the faggot who decided they should look that way who is at fault It’s the C-suite, MBA, business fags who wanted this crap
>>61315798The digitization of everything has made repair of everything from cars, computers, phones, security systems etc. A nightmare.Putting everything that used to be on hard drives into clouds has made everything vulnerable to hacking including bank accounts.I personally think finance bros are a bigger drag on society, but because they don't have autism, they don't get shit on like software engineers do
>>61316148so what? you are their willing pawn making the world shittier
>Even though there are plenty of professions that pay more like finance, law, business, etcand the funniest thing is that protected professions like doctors, lawyers etc only get paid so much because the government artificially induces scarcity in the market for those services. Software engineers have no such barriers yet they still pull a good salary on the free market.
>>61315798Finance and law pay $40-50k a yearSoftware engineers can make over 120k at the top levelsIt’s the only profession that pays more than the CEO
>>61316221Where the fuck do you live lmao
>>61316212Finance and law pays $40-50k a year. It’s only software engineers that make six figures.The government will subsidize your education to be a finance or law person, they won’t subsidize you into software
>>61316230Canada, Ontario but I can’t imagine it’s any different in the States.Toronto isn’t that different from NYC or San Francisco
>>61316244120k CAD isn't CEO pay retardit's also the midrange SE pay, it's not top level.
>>61316233being a lawyer or a doctor pays much more. "Finance" isn't protected unless you mean CPA, and those also make way more than they should due to the certification they require.
>>61316084Even just compare 4chan (hasn't been updated in a decade) to any other modern website. The speed difference is insane. Except software "engineers" will act like it's always been this way. Probably the worst example for me is Windows and the MS Office suite. It used to be so fucking snappy in Windows 95 through to 7. But now everything is through M365+ and Sharepoint, where you're accessing everything from inside your browser. And can they even be bothered to make the desktop program compatible with the web app? Of course not, you can't even fucking copy and paste from one to the other.Do you know that last week the dash display and HUD in my car crashed? It just completely stopped displaying anything, including my speed, and turning it off and on again didn't fix it because of course the spyware never turns off. The only thing that fixed it was receiving a phone call.And yet OP will act like this always used to happen, or that the simple embedded software in cars 10 years ago was less reliable than the smartphone glued to my current dashboard.
>>61316264CEOs make 90-110k a year moron.My parents’ neighbor is literally a CEO and he’s the wealthiest person I know besides software engineers
>>61316274I have a CFA and CPA.Nobody in finance is breaking six figures unless they reach upper management.Software Engineers can break six figures near the end of their career if they have high performance even if they don’t reach management
>>61315819Correct./thread
>>61315883I agree with >>61315942 that software doesn't crash as frequently as it used to. It used to crash quite often, and data loss was common. However, if you didn't lose anything, crashes were quick, and restarting the application was fast, and applications otherwise generally worked as intended. Even when they didn't, you could often intuit a workaround and things just made sense, both to users and developers. I don't fault you for thinking that crashes used to happen less often, as I do think that they were also often less disruptive, and the rest of the software experience was so much less frustrating. Now, every feature is actually dozens of "features" stacked on top of each other by people with fairly little context on what they're doing, which causes tons of bugs that are difficult to track down if you're ever given the time of day to work on them. Companies are always chasing new features, though, and adding features is what gets you promoted. There's no practical way to manually test new features, as you have to ensure compatibility with a billion things, and you're not even sure what those things are or do or what little quirks they have. So, you write some half-assed tests that some equally clueless person will end up breaking in a few months, and things inevitably fall apart. You are only given time to fix them when your users scream loud enough, and the fix will be the shittiest bandaid fix possible that makes a certain test (with very little grounding in reality) pass 80% of the time. Most tech companies actually really do know what they're doing when it comes to making money, and most of them have arrived at the conclusion that at a certain point product quality just doesn't matter. There is almost no material incentive to make a better product, even if they could.On top of all this, job-hopping is extremely common. Add layoffs on top, and most tech orgs end up with only 1 or 2 competent people who actually understand the codebase.
>>61316288i have no idea how the state of software isn't a national security issue. every general purpose business computer in the country running a street shitted OS that randomly crashes and burns. cars that run on SCREENS, SCREENS, and MORE SCREENS distracting drivers and crashing (also "self-driving" cars that crash due to shitty software.) planes falling out of the sky due to bad design compounded by $11/hr indian software developers.
>>61316288>>61316339also the 911 system for my entire state went offline a few months ago.>SAAAAAR WE ARE DOING THE REBOOTINGS OF THE SYSTEM KINDLY RUN SFC /SCANNOW PLEASE TO REDEEM THE VERIFICATION OF SOLUTIONS!!!!!!!whoever reported my post can suck the shit out of my asshole.
>>61316221What are you talking about retard?Finance, big law, medicine top out in the 7 figs usd a year if you’re good. Although there’s a huge range obviously. Some barely break 100k in those fields. But 300-700k a year is not uncommon either. Engineering and tech don’t usually pay more than 250-350k unless you move up the ladder and become a middle manager or exec. I work in big tech, tc is 300k. My boss earns about 400-450k. Skip level manager is making 500-1M, and his boss (VP level, about 2-3 levels removed from C-suite) is making well over 1M a year
>>61316378What fantasy world is this retard?I know people in tech and their compensation isn’t close to six figures, data scientist at Deloitte who also attended Dartmouth is making 80k a year. I’m a CFA and CPA who studied economics and stats at Dartmouth, total compensation is 65k
>>61316404i passed my last CPA exam last week. i make $120k. i'm interviewing for an internal role that would pay $150k. i live in a MCOL area.
>>61316299I made six figures in software after 5 years. In USA it happens even earlier. If you are a software engineer with some experience and you aren't in six figs you are a diversity hire or something.>>61316289CEOs are often compensated heavily in stock to motivate them to do well by the shareholders that appointed him. That said, no, I've never worked at a place where the CEO wasn't making 120 minimum.
>>61316404You’re in cucknadia or something then where there’s 10000 jeets for every jobI read an old NYT article from the fucking 80’s or 90’s about Wall Street bros in their early 30’s pulling in over 500k a year.
>>61316404Your buddy is probably getting fucked. https://www.levels.fyi/companies/deloitte/salaries/data-scientist?country=254Says average L1 is only at 87k, but salaries increase really quickly once you get promoted.Not sure about the CPA job market, but if you con an interviewer into thinking you're smart, you could probably make a lot more than you do now. As an aside, I've noticed that the /g/ tech worker threads are full of poorfags. People mention they make 120k with 5 yoe (which isn't that much in my IRL bubble), and they get dozens of envious replies from poorfags making like 60k, even in America.
>>61316518If you’re making 80k… why would you want to make more?Once you’re ultra-wealthy, there’s zero difference in having more zeros. I’ve noticed that once I became super rich money just becomes an abstract number.
>>61316649Because 80k/yr is a very long way off from having more money than you know what to do with. 80k can barely pay rent in a lot of places.
>>61316715What places?I live in Toronto as I mentioned and I pretty much have unlimited money at 65k.An extra 10k (after taxes) I would have no clue what to do with other than save/invest it.
>OH MY GOD I TINTED THE COLORS JUST RIGHT AND USED THE CORRECT LITTLE SYMBOLS TO HACK THESE PEOPLE MONKEY BRAINS INTO BEING ADDICTED TO CONSUMING MY DIGITAL SLOP LIKE ITS FUCKING HEROINSounds real beneficial to humanity and not at all like your selling everyone out for a paycheck
>>61316734Save for a house? Travel a little? Have a little extra breathing room for when you get laid off? Retire early? Get a girlfriend? Raise a kid? It's also different in the US because we have to mostly fund our own retirements. Most working professionals under 40 don't believe they can rely on social security in old age, not that it's a lot of money, anyway. Consumerism and a sense that our futures are insecure lead people to never feel like they have enough money.
>>61316734>I live in Toronto as I mentioned and I pretty much have unlimited money at 65k.lmao are you black
>>61316940No, completely Scottish/Irish
>>61316925Retirement doesn’t exist in Canada or USA. It was ruled a human rights violation.Unless you’re a pilot they literally cannot force you to quit your job due to age. We now have the right (protected by the Consitution) to work until you’re 130 if you were to live that long
>>61317032If you can't find a reason, in Canada, to need more than 65k (which is nothing these days btw) then you are spiritually black for not being able to think about your future.
>>61317065If you want more than 80k (which is disgustingly wealthy in any society on earth and makes you a bad person anywhere) then you’re spiritually Jewish.You’re not thinking about your future because if you did you’d know how horrible people are never happy as they get older
>>61315798I think I'm a good programmer, but I've never tried to get a job. I have a math/cs degree and started my own business during uni and just stuck with that. Things are getting a bit rocky now, if I don't pull through in the next couple years I may have to look for a job.Do you have any advice? If I go the job route I would grind leetcode/projecteuler/etc whatever months before doing interviews and polish up my Github, I have some projects of decent size and complexity across languages (Rust, Python, Typescript, etc) but no notable open source contributions or users of my software (starting a software company now though as a final attempt before throwing in the towel, so maybe that'll change). I know I'd do a good job if I landed a gig, but I've never really optimized for getting a job before and whenever I look into it feels like screaming into the void.I might try going to grad school first or something to seem a little more 'fresh' or whatever. Anyway would appreciate any advice.
>>61317165I've also been trying to make contributions to open source to get more fluent with the workflow and network a bit (I use git but mostly as like an autosave since I work alone, not super familiar with the more complex usages), will attend some conferences too.
>>61317165>>61317181I'm essentially trying to maximize my exposure to personal connections to get in rather than being just another resume. I don't really my resume standing out to anyone but I'd be willing to take very low pay to break into the industry as well.
>>61317155The copes people make to justify staying poor is so hilarious its sad.>NOOOO YOU CANT DESIRE MORE BECAUSE UMM IT MAKES YOU A JOOOk, faggot.
>>61315798Tl dr, not reading this slop thread but have you noticed how every software is absolute fucking dogshit to use these days? That's probably why retard.
>>61316299End of career? How about 3 years experience lol
>>61317241If I’m already ultra wealthy why would I aim for more?
>>61317275But you aren't. You're a poorfag making sub 100k.
>>61317241how tall are you
>>61316404Deloitte isn't tech lolYour friends work for shitty companies and either don't know how to pass a team interview or can't
>>61316065>stock brokers contribute nothing to societyStock brokers don’t exist anymore retard it’s not the 1980s
>>61317293Do you really need 100k? Things are just stuff man
>>61315819>yeah bro I am a software engineer and make 140k + 70k in bullshit>yeah man it's really complicated but my value is infinitely scalable that's why I get paid so much as front end UX UI react HTML Jira ticket sprint leader and product manager>Oh my company yeah it's a startup we make an app that's like tinder for cat owners to match with other cat owners and talk about their cats then we sell their data to drop shippers we just finished series B funding for 600 million dollars>we actually make no profit but if we capture 30% of ecommerce advertisement space then we'll be making billions per employee
>>61315798- The learn to code meme made software engineers seem like snobs. In the 2010's it was only "cool" in that people assumed you made good money. Beyond that, nobody can relate to it, so nobody wants to hear about it.- If people are political, a lot of leftists hate techworkers right now because they associate Elon, Crypto, and a lot of billionaires with it.- General perception that they're all nerds and must be useless without a computer. Not true, but that doesn't matter to your average person.- Bad economic conditions, people are envious of anyone they even think might not be struggling right now.That said, every normie who can't write a line of code, but works at a company that does business online seems to still want to claim they "work in tech".
I make $250k and spend most of my day looking at charts and shitposting on biz. Yes my job is a meme but as long as they keep paying me I'll keep doing it.I wouldn't recommend people to go into tech today though, it's saturated now. You're better off going into medicine or something.
>>61317293If you’re making over 50k you’re a disgusting person.I’m not even anti rich but the super rich are gross
>>61317358You can’t pass an interview.You only got the job you did because your daddy is the ceo
>>61316065At least stock brokers do something valuable for the economy.Doctors don’t help anybody.Only mentally ill leftists hate stock brokers
>>61317531Learn to write
Imagine working in a jeet field.
>>61319004>Imagine working in a jeet field.what should we transition to?is being a therapist non-jeet?
>>61315798They aren't real engineers. They are a mockey of God's perfection. They didn't take thermodynamics. All they do it masturbate on computer.
>>61318811>You only got the job you did because your daddy is the ceomy daddy is just a W2 account (controller) at a company and couldn't legally nepo any of his family into working alongside him, even if the work was there.my TC path was 70k 90k120k165k250k ->300k after stock appreciation just leetcoding/system design as interview prep, talking about projects, and working the jobs as they came along
>>61319026Sanitation.
>>61315798they are cucks, liberals, trannys, or jeets.
>>61317165>>61317181>>61317233Bro I don't mean to be mean but I think you're pretty fucked. Might as well get a job as a tradie.Like I don't think you're hirable as a swe from all you wrote and it would probably take you years of unpaid work to get to that point and at that point who knows how swe careers will go and how much of it will just be AI
>>61315798nerds dork geek profession
>>61319035You need a rich dad to even get interviews
>>61315798Because many people subconsciously think that in order to make good money you need to be good-looking and confident (at least the teenager definition of confidence which is being a tall loud jerk) and SWEs tend to be neither of those things, so they think you "cheated" at life.In other words, you don't look and talk like someone who makes 300K, that's why they hate you.
