>JUST GET A DEGREE BROHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>61383104should have just learned to code. i make 250k/year TC with 5 years of experience.
>>61383118why are you so sure you are irreplaceable? when was the last time you applied for a new job? for me as a freelancer this year was hell and permanent roles are all terrible, here in Germany
>>61383104Simple math tells you that 75% of the unemployed don’t have a degree. The numbers you should be comparing are the unemployment rate of degree holders and the unemployment rate of non-degree holders.
>>61383128because i actually know what im doing and have been programming since i was young unlike most of these scrubs who just got into profession for $$$.
>>61383104its as if psychology degrees have no use... why do people keep choosing degrees like that?also>ai is fake! -/biz/its def doing something to entry level white collar jobs
>>61383136women
>>61383136I'd rather be in six figures of debt with a liberal arts degree or white collar job than ever work blue collar/work with my hands.
>>61383129it is completely valid to look at the unemployment rate of those with bachelors degrees.
>>61383145i have an engineering degree and make 150k. you do you bro.
>>61383104College is a scam. Now instead of appearing smart for going to college, you look like an idiot.
>>61383179Engineers are the loser dorks of the adult world.
>>61383136Psychology is actually in demand due to rising mental health issues especially child psychology which cant be replaced by ai or robotics.
>>61383246yea psychology is crazy in demandin my city most pyschologists have a huge waiting list even when they're charging $200+ per session
>>61383104Considering that the 25% unemployment probably consists of at least 70% meme degree holders, I'd still take my chances with a stemfag degree. Odds seem pretty good.
>>61383104This is actually kinda scary. I'm a successful Millennial, retired even, but this makes me have second thoughts about bringing kids into this hellscape. Future generations are fucked.
>>61383277…You should be rich enough your kids don’t have to work. Lmfao. You literally said what my parents who retired long ago said too. But yeah, it is really really bad for the bottom 90% out there.
>>61383179>engineering degreeWOOW YOU ARE SO SPECIAL BRO ITS UNREAL IVE NEVER SEEN AN ENGIBRO ON 4CHIN!!!
>>61383246they go on to get masters degrees and licenses lol. the op is about bachelors degrees.
>>61383311>>61383311Engineering is for losers and soi cucks.
>>61383311you cant even follow the conversation lol.
>>61383104So what should young people do? Should they not go to college? How would that help them?
>>61383372Its becoming more clear everyday that the only way to actually make it is to run your own business. It depends on how rich your parents are, but if you aren't already set when you're born, the quickest way would be through the trades.
>>61383372They’re screwed either way. The masses still haven’t realized just how much the boomers wrecked the system - from China to the US, future generations will have to slave away all their lives to pay off the debts of their greedy ancestors.
>>61383372Slave till death
>>61383372They better start learning small arms tactics and foraging techniques.
>>61383372It unironically does not matter that much. The rising tide lifts all: it's the overall economic condition of the time that dictates what happens.Literally just get lucky.
>>61383179Wow I've never seen an unemployed engineering bro except those 25% unemployed people.
>>61383265Meme degree holders are working just fine. They all have jobs. Engineers however...
>>61383104So 75% of unemployed don't have a degreeSounds worse
>>61383132so what is it that you are doing? I am doing webdev. 10 years experience. I can set up frontend, backend (enterprise grade, not just a CRUD application), meaningful tests with kotlin, vue, playwright, GCP, terraform and any deployment platform (GitLab/Bitbucket/Jenkins/...).up until 2022 it was ok, 150-180 thousand Euros before tax. the last years I have had to actually go down with my hourly rate. this year I could only secure a part time job.I doubt you are more professional than me with just 5 years of experience. No ofense, but programming games in school is not relevant experience. but then again, you are probably working for a FAGMAN company in the US that is funded by the AI bubble?
>>61383246>more psychiatrists and therapists than ever>more people than ever going to therapy>more people than ever taking mental health prescription drugs>mental health problems skyrocketing
>>61383613STEMlords can cope all they want, the everlasting truth is that you can teach a friendly person to code, but you can’t teach an autistic coder to not make everyone obsolete day of office life a living hell.
>>61383675*every single
>>61383161Of course. But the number in the OP is better called “the educational attainment of the unemployed”. Starting with the unemployed, tells you about the composition of that group. Starting with bachelor’s degree holders, and looking at their rate of employment, gives you a better picture of your likelihood to be unemployed if you get a degree. Which is what we’re looking for. A Google search confirms this when you see that under 10% of all bachelor’s degree holders are unemployed, and this number makes up 25% of the unemployed group. Even amongst the hardest hit subgroup of bachelor’s degrees holders, recent graduates, the number is around 5% unemployment. What’s new is that recent graduates are now doing worse than all workers as a whole, but they are still doing better than others in their same age range.https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:unemployment
>>61383104they might as well give out grape koolaid and kfc buckets instead of diplomas
what's with the recent bunch of demoralization threads?
>>61383927Maybe people are tired of being lied to, Stop telling people to code, it's working anymore and philosophy degree holders are now on track.
>>61383929>Stop telling people to codeanon, tech workers have been gatekeeping for ages.you fell for colleges and tech bros campaigning to have tons of useless graduates while importing millions of indians to the US just so they could lower wages and treat current workers like slaves. tech workers had nothing to do with thatt.non-US tech worker
>>61383118>250k/year TCAnd wallah! Just like that, your job has been outsourced to an Indian doing the same work at 80% of the quality and for 10% of the cost.
>>61383929Philosophy degree holders are on track to?
>>61383613>my dad talked me into becoming an engineer instead of getting a philosophy major>Also Sergey is a philosophy majorIn a different timeline I became a billionaire memecoin creator and its not fair
>>61383104I voted for this
>>61383104I still have my GI Bill, What should I use it for? I almost have an associates in computer science without it but this shit sucks.
>>61383104I think hiring jeet coders is based because coding is gay.
>>61384152Basket weaving, white women will buy the shit out your stuff if you make heart and micky mouse patterns
>>61383372Get a time machine and reverse 50 years of mass immigration and demographic replacement. At this point it's already over.
Take out loansDo the minimumWorkLive with parentsInvest all that capital into bitcoin at the lowsWinLeave the country after 5 years because fuck america
>>61384189>basket waving is unironically a good degree nowTake that, boomers.
Why are young people so poor?
Autodidacts unite. Fuck college.
>>61383104Time to bail out the companies with infinity jeet employees! Time to bail out the colleges with infinity Asians!!!
>>61383632250 for 5yoe at FAANG would low. Tons of non FAANG pay 250 these days
What's something high paying you can do in the medical field that doesn't require years of studying and isn't gay like nursing?
>>61384508x-ray technician
>>61383104All this means is that education is more widely available and more people have degrees, nothing changes, you are still ultimately a loser and a brainlet and your thread demonstrates that very, very well.
>>61383129>Simple math tells you that 75% of the unemployed don’t have a degree. The numbers you should be comparing are the unemployment rate of degree holders and the unemployment rate of non-degree holders.He can't into simple math anon. He's seething at people with degrees because he's very proud of brainlet status.
>>61383382This, the epitome of pure capitalism is to run a family business, this was the only guaranteed way out of poverty for decades. China has destroyed 60% of opportunities on the market, big tech destroyed 30%, however what's left is still sufficient to let a family strive, given that no one does this anymore.
>>613844471. Shitty degrees they take 6 years to finish and have loads of student debt for (or don't finish and still have shit loads of debt for)2. Said degree doesn't actually enable person to do shit. High school degrees have been so dumbed down as to be meaningless so a shitty college degree means someone might be vaguely literate and able to write. 3. So people get the same shitty economic opportunities they would have gotten 40 years ago but now only after they're 4-8 years older and in debt.4. People in that situation just see their situation as hopeless and kinda give up.5. There's more ways for normal people to blow all of their money today without feeling wealthy than they could have 40 years ago. You've got grub hub, Whole Foods, Apple crap, and then access to a fuckload of online shopping and brands the typical person on a normie tier salary in Podunksville would have never had access to unless they were visiting NY or LA.6. Social media, especially as it relates to Instagram and Influencers makes understand luxury even easier, which makes normies way more depressed in that they can compare themselves more easily to rich people.7. Loads of jobs have been hollowed out in the middle. You've got a bottom class of knuckle-dragging pavement apes doing shit we haven't yet made robots for (McDonald's workers, Amazon item packers, Uber pedal monkeys) paid jack shit and then a thin layer of ultra elite managers and programmers making that shit work. If you're in the pavement ape class there's no hope for promotion beyond some mediocre "shift manager" or equivalent making another $3/hr. No one wants to tell those apes that getting a shitty college degree doesn't change those prospects.8. Spoiled children from spoiled boomers who figure they're basically entitled to continue the lifestyle they had at home/university not realizing their parents were dirt poor and ate ramen and shit for years as they tried to get a job. They mooch off their parents
>workers with no degree comprise 75% of unemployed workers>employed workers with a degree make more money
>>61384508I heard medical assistants can make good money after a couple years of xp. Radiology/x-ray technicians as well but that might be like a two year program. Idk how AI proof the latter is.
>>61383104The numbers have to be skewed. I have barely gotten a single interview in months of searching after finishing a 4 year degree in CS. Granted, the school was not prestigious or anything, but I did finish with a good GPA, and I haven't only been applying to positions at F500 companies, so that should not matter much. I've also been applying to menial jobs that I could do pretty easily or even find a way to automate, and I never hear back. I did secure an internship, and was able to internally peak into HR during a meeting and see how many are competing for the same jobs that I'm applying for. 600+ applications for the unpaid job that I currently have, and I can only imagine for paid positions how much higher that number is.
>>61383179>i have an engineering degree and make 150kThat's such a low income cap considering how much needs to get invested.
>>61383104That's not how words work you fucking brown retard.
>>61383613Let me explain this misleading article:1. People with STEM degrees have unrealistically high standards and very competitive application/interview process (due to high pay). Thus, many STEM graduates are unemployed looking for work, and they refuse to settle for lower jobs2. It's pretty easy to settle down as a burger flipper when you have a useless humanities degree.
>>61384656TL;DR employment rates doesn't tell the whole story. Philosophy majors often settle down for crappy jobs while STEM graduates spend years looking for high paying work up to their standards/ego (and end up settling with shitty jobs)
>>61384622>how much needs to get invested4 years of schooling is a high investment? Medicine and law take 11 and 7 years respectively of schooling. Engineering is literally the lowest time investment of any high paying profession.
>>61383929Next time, kill a techfag in Minecraft. It's the least they deserve for gaslighting the past couple of years.
>>61384551>1. Shitty degrees they take 6 years to finishBy who? A degree is 3-4 years maximum and they are free in most of Europe>2. Said degree doesn't actually enable person to do shit.Seriously?Are you trying to prove you're a retarded chimp, you COULD NOT pass even first year undergraduate chemistry, biology, physics, mechanical or electrical engineering or for that matter history, philosophy, classics, economics etc and that's your comfort food for being thick?>3. So people get the same shitty economic opportunities they would have gotten 40 years ago but now only after they're 4-8 years older and in debt.Most degrees cost people nothing in civilisation or ex military etc>4. People in that situation just see their situation as hopeless and kinda give up.Aside from the ones in jobs you can't ever do and therefore know nothinng about>5. There's more ways for normal people to blow all of their money today without feeling wealthy than they could have 40 years ago. You've got grub hub, Whole Foods, Apple crap, and then access to a fuckload of online shopping and brands the typical person on a normie tier salary in Podunksville would have never had access to unless they were visiting NY or LA.I see, you ARE a brainless chimp who can't even cook basic meals>6. Social media, especially as it relates to Instagram and InfluencersI see, you ARE a brainless chimp>7. Loads of jobs have been hollowed out in the middle.Tell me what's 'the middle' in medcine or law?>8. Spoiled children from spoiled boomersAs oppsed to what, a thick seething useless badly raised looser like you, from a generation of bums who spewed hate at their agin grandparents who gambles on crypto and options, lives on instagram and this shithole and thinks he's 'smart'?You've no degree, your some sort of gunting subhuman box lifter for life.
>>61384551Also to add to your 5. so many ways to gamble away your money. I was a total dumbass this weekend and lost 430$ on betting college football luckily I put the rest from my Robinhood to my bank. I will never use Robinhood again this shit is diabolical.Your 8. is quite gracious too, lots of people make boomers out to be mythical beasts, when they lived a way different life than people think. Can't believe that they think for example people lives in NYC Penthouse apartments with a garbage man job it wasn't real.
I work as a cleaner and get paid $22 an hour, feels good manIt must suck to be unemployed, my uncle managed to hook me up 4 months into unemployment and being unable to find anything in tech and now I have close to a year of employment as a cleaner
>>61384695Shut the fuck up mongo, you guys can't even think of a peace treaty with Russia and needed Trump to do that for you and you still complained. Of course your college is free.
>>61384696>lots of people make boomers out to be mythical beasts>>61384695>a generation of bums who spewed hate at their aging grandparents who gambles on crypto and options, lives on instagram and this shithole and thinks he's 'smart'?
>>61384708>>61384695>You've no degree, your some sort of gunting subhuman box lifter>>61384695>I see, you ARE a brainless chimp
>>61384708There are two classes of people in civilisation, the ones with degrees, the ones that don't. Graduates get paid more. Simple sorting and sifting of the retarded and from dyfunctional family backgrounds. You got self sorted in with the retards with no degree. Enjoy your subhuman status forever and your failing in rage at your 'boomer' grandparents for not dying so you could live off an inheiratance as a worthless subhuman uneducated thick bum just makes that even worse.
>>61383104>Above 1/3 of Americans hold a bachelors or higher>college educated account for 25% of the unemployed So it has a lower unemployment per capita than those without a degree. Got it, everyone should go to school. Looks like it isn't a scam afterall.
>>61384696>Tell me what's 'the middle' in medcine or law?Law has been dead for a while, a lot of unemployed law school grads out there.And you've accidentally admitted that the only safe fields to go into nowadays are protected by strict government regulation and professional licensing, everyone else is assfucked.>By who? A degree is 3-4 years maximum and they are free in most of EuropeOf course you bring up about how in your shithole country you don't have to pay for college, this thread isn't about you read the room dumbass
>>61383372a revolution, everything else is virgin cope like muh voting, trust the plan they will fix it or the "free" market will fix itself
>>61384664Employed Philosophy degree holders today are making more money than coders
>>61383104Turns out those English lit, psychology, and feminist dance therapy degrees don't go very far in the real world job market.
>>61386374Perhaps, only because they devalued tech with google-coding H1B jeets. Being the one competent White guy who has to fix all that jeet spaghetti code pays enormously well now, however. What do you suppose the rate of employment is among philosophy degree holders?
>>61384029Try 10% of the quality at 10% of the cost, but the corporation only sees the second number.
>>61383104I wish I got a degree. I make like $30k a year (before tax). Shit sucks ass.
>>61386644>Being the one competent White guy who has to fix all that jeet spaghetti code pays enormously well now, howeverActually all QA jobs are indian so american citizens don't get to do that.
>>61383104that's not badjust go wage war in ukraine, we need more blood for the blood god
>>61386374>Employed Philosophy degree holders today are making more money than codersso about 3% of graduates kekyou know what philosophy graduates do? they teach at high schools and maaaaaybe get to shill for some political think tank, but only if they are nepo babies.
>>61386688I have a degree and make that.
>>61383104unironically became too easy to get a degree. people have no idea how to apply themselves.
How are internships and on the job training not a mandetory part of undergrad curriculum now? At least make the scam believable
>>61383179My sister just graduated with a degree in civil engineering from northwestern and she hasn't been able to find a job in the last 6 months kek
>>61383104I have no degree. I work for the government. I got $16k in backpay for the shutdown where I did nothing.
>>61384414Its not a joke either if you can prove that you are actually making it by hand instead of some Chink sweatshop. Likewise if you are a machinist you really need to branch out on your own for niche products. Tons of shaving razor niche companies exist off the backs of small time machinists. Soaps, perfumes and shaving soaps are a much larger operation by comparison and require health licenses but the products do well in sales so long as you don't over produce. We are basically seeing the rebirth of cottage industries since productivity has increased 10 fold since the dawn of the tractor.
Is this ever going to get better? All big tech is betting entirely on replacing human knowledge capital with LLMs. While it's almost certainly going to implode, that itself is going create a severe depression. That'll be 3 to 5 lost years, maybe more. Then in 10 to 15 years China regains Taiwan, Russia pushes further west, NATO falters, Israel collapses, petro-dollar dies - Pax Americana cedes to Pax Sinica. AI will likely have matured dramatically over this period, maybe super intelligent AI will be the norm. China may even have moved to post scarcity communism by this point. Has the curtain fallen on university based meritocratic elite replication as we know it?
>>61388163Atleast for the US the 4000+ colleges are going to face a massive crunch. Only thing keeping at least a majority of them open are foreigners who have stricter standards for college and need US college prestige at any cost. Nothing is going to fully replace college if these places can adjust accordingly to the needs of the market. Some of them have been doing trade schools for decades at this point and could easily expand with certification programs like they did long ago with the medical and law degrees. We will see a move from (well rounded general education) to more focused on the job requirements. If colleges don't do this then the vacuum will come in and wipe out a majority of these places. With AI who cares you don't need these plebeians anyways.
>>61383132Do you call yourself a Dev? That’s the gayest shit possible.
