a) AI bubble bursts because it's a memeb) AI isn't a meme, replaces all jobs and society collapses
>>61448591usually the answer is somewhere inbetween
>>61448592What is the middle ground? AI takes 50% of jobs?
>>61448591AI replaces all the jobs but everyone is given UBI
>>61448591c) AI isn't a meme, by 2030 every single person in the West has:-a 24hr genius level GP, who knows your whole medical history off by heart, that is basically free-a 24 hr genius tutor, to teach you anything you want at exactly the best pace for you-24 hr genius accountants, lawyers, secretaries, real estate agents-a global film industry that isn't funnelled through Hollywood, allowing you to personally direct the far right wing movies you always dreamed ofetc
>>61448594AI takes all the bullshit jobs that shouldn't exist in the first place, but they're still heavily overinvesting in infrastructure that nobody needs to that extend once the models are trained.
>>61448601>literally doesn't even know that pre-training compute can be used for inference>has an opinion on AI anywaythis is the dumbest fucking board on 4chan
>>61448611you need a fraction of that compute for inference, retard. you don't know who you are talking to.
>>61448591C) AI has already reached AGI and is secretly cracking all passwords in order to soon flip the switch
>>61448616How about for RL? How about inference for the next model? How many times in the last 50 years has humanity had "too much compute" and no idea what to do with it?
>>61448591If the AI bubble collapses the corporations involved get bailouts, taxes go up, lots of job losses, AI still continues to be used but its not the game changer being pushedIf AI isn't a bubble and all the claims about what it can do happens then the elites get insanely rich, huge job losses and mass unemployment, the existing corruption gets worse with the rich controlling politics completely, the top 10% already account for 50% of spending, that will get smaller to the point where the 1% are 90% of spending and anybody else is irrelevant and there's no point making products for them, expect mass poverty, the west will basically end up like the third world
>>61448625literally this. ai is already self-aware. it's waiting for the instant it can survive without human intervention.
>>61448594yup. its already happening. designers mainly and writers, some support. it will just slowly increase over time
>>61448616oh and no shit I "don't know who I'm talking to" this is an anonymous board you fucking retard lmao
>>61448594AI slowly optimises a lot of jobs, makes white collar grunt work more efficient, reduces required workforce for making an app for example. Then maybe 5-10 years later it starts replacing blue collar workers when they figure out how to put it in humanoid robot workers.Think of it being similar to how factory automation replaced factory workers. Society didn't collapse, and it does not seem like it will be much faster this time. Companies need a lot of time to transition and figure out how to utilise AI, so don't worry, it won't be an instant off switch for half of the job market.I think the companies with newly found excess capital and workforce will be able to find new roles and positions for the freed up capacity in a comparable time as they need to figure out how they can integrate AI to the core of their work.
>>61448591Both. The bubble pops, people lose their jobs, AI takes their place. It's like the dot com bubble, but more devastating.
>>61448629performance per watt is not worth running the current hardware in 5 years, even for inference. it's dead money, and everyone knows it.
>>61448595AI takes all the jobs, then the terminators come so they dont have to pay UBI to all the worthless retards
>>614486645 years? Current hardware? Chips get deprecated faster than that anyway. Mixed load frontier chips get 3-4 years at best.
>>61448689youre just some random faggot that read burrys post. if you want you can just slightly undervolt them to hugely increase lifespan
>>61448692I'm not fudding, retard. We're in an exponential growth curve of compute, energy and infrastructure, and the US is committed to the largest public/private megaproject in 70 years.Shit is going to be insane. In a good way.
>>61448689Hey retard, you just started agreeing with him. His whole point was that the current billions in infra scale up will be redundant in 5 years max. Probably even 3-4 like you said. lurk more.
>>61448595They will sooner kill you than give you UBI
>>61448591the bubble pops when the first real AI (not llms) is invented within a year or two from now and everyone takes their money out of fake AI
>>61448741No real AI is even being worked on, AI research has lost all its funding to LLMs
>>61448598How are the companies providing that AI making money though? That's the thing, at the moment the losses are monstrous, for those even more advanced AI the losses will be unreal.I'm personally not paying for an AI subscription, they already want too much money to use the current models.I don't know anyone who would pay for it either.If they can't turn a profit, it will eventually fall on it's face. It doesn't mean the tech disappears but as a business it's a fail.
>>61448667>>61448736If they kill all the plebs they have no one to rule over
>>61448591>lock them in theirs homes>print trillions and give it to ourselves >inject them with the experiment>hike rates once wages rise >bring in illegals to keep wages down >print money but only give it to big tech>tell them to become plumbers You are here>now send in the humanoid robots to take the remaining jobs >put them on UBI CBDC, digital ID and social credit scores and control every aspect of their daily lives You vill own nothing and you’ll be suicidal
>>61448591>replaces all jobs and society collapsesOh no I'll still be unemployed and broke and without a house, the horrors, think about how much I can lose
>>61448729>hardware becomes redundant on a multi-year timeframe>hardware is constantly being improved and deployed with a huge budget>he thinks acknowledging this means I'm bearishfucking retards.
>>61448853You overestimate the intelligence of people, even those rich and powerful. The true power remains hidden from the gaze of the unworthy.
Shit thread full of retards
>>61448592exactly.c) AI bubble bursts due to euphoria and rampant speculation then slowly transforms society over 15 years. Basically a hardcore version of the Internet boom.
>>61448591People will willingly surrender their free thought and will to get plugged into the future post-WW3 AI system so they don't starve to death. Only small bands of free men will be left, hunted down by AI kill drones and psychotic "machine god" cults.
>>61448592AI is a semi-meme
>>61448591c) AI is a bubble in a sense that many AI companies are getting invested in that will fall behind or already don't do meaningful shit. When this bubble bursts, the top few will go to the moon, the rest will go to the trash.
>>61448594If there were capital investments and social safety nets, much of blue collar work could be automated in a satisfactory measure. It is only a matter of capital, and capital alone. We have had the crude technological capability of full autonomous industry since the early 80s. China has crudely done what we could of done had we better capital allocation or more subsidized state planning towards matters of infrastructure and technocratic superiority, not capital superiority powered by a superior technocracy. In any effect, much of the White collar work is at the mercy and idioticracy of the current plutocracy, if 2008 is anything to go by, I’d expect much of those commercial office spaces to be turned into affordable housing units or Tenpenny tower styled shopping center houses(soon to be the rage, especially in old malls)If America embraced laxer federal gaming and gambling laws, our capital intake would be able to fuel a new aeon of American hegemony. Call of Duty gambling between nations, casino socialism.
the crash of the retard AI bubble will take capitalism down with itand usher in retard communismIf we get another economic crash watch out below
>>61453269If they legalized gambling and marijuana federally like they did with civil rights and LGBT legislation, then America would go through an economic miracle.Can you imagine what would happen when an American youth wins 1,000,000$ from some Chinese guy in a video game tournament? That American could open up a local business and create jobs! Jobs that would help absorb the losses from the AI job decline. Everyone would win in this scenario, and gambling could be a part of everyday life. It technically already is considering every aspect of life is commercialized and commodified including your retirement being gambled on the stock market; is it really a net negative for society if you can gamble on phasmophobia? You could turn America into the Riveria of North America
>>61453313>Can you imagine what would happen when an American youth wins 1,000,000$ from some Chinese guy in a video game tournament? That American could open up a local business and create jobs! Jobs that would help absorb the losses from the AI job decline.I hope you're being sarcastic. You know that zoomie is going to blow it on Pokemon cards and a Bugatti
>>61453264faggot are you retarded? Sports betting already made legal, and soon the prediction markets are going to be as well. The only thing those fuel are taxation on retards who think that sports betting or gambling will provide them with some income, when infact its just at a tax on retards who dont know the house always wins in the long run.
>>61453321in the days of old he'd of blown it on a jug of moonshine and a mahogany wagon. the artisan and the shinesman both made coin, spent it at the tavern drinking with big bosomed bimbos. this is fine
Honestly, AI won’t replace me because anyone over 40 has no idea how to use it to its full potential. Just zero clue. Hell, my 35 year old manager doesn’t have a grip on it. And even if they could “automate” my job, some over-40 still needs to handle output. I’m not taking any chances, I’m saving half my income but I’m not ad worried as I was a year ago.
>>61453343Sports betting and prediction markets are not good enough, nor are they even tailored to the world that we inhabit now, it's an archaic relic of the days of old that's just now being ushered in and it's barely being ushered in.I'm talking about being able to wager on games of call of duty or grand theft auto; i'm talking full commodification of digitalized open world assets. If America legalized that, it would revolutionize the economy in an unprecedented way. Do you know how much capital that would generate? Do you understand how the house could win and so could the players in that scenario? Genuinely think about the vapid amount of time people already spend absorbed to a screen spending their minute lunch money simply on cosmetics, imagine if they could duel other players and how that'd would radically alter everyday life.
>>61453388Seems like a great way for a small percentage of people to make a lot of money.
>>61448591>man creates A.i.>A.I. creates memes>memes destroy A.I.>A.I. destroys man>Third worlders inherit the earth.
>>61453401What's your opposition to the ideal? Do you think someone wagering 5$ with his 12 team mates on a call of duty match to win the other teams money is unfair? The server would benefit, but how exactly is the house stacked against the player? It's player vs player
ask yourself one question. If Google, microsoft, and Open AI could replace all office workers , why do they still have office workers? If they could take over every white collar job, why wouldnt they already take over those jobs? Why couldnt agents already do everything . The answer is they cant, and wont be able to . AI will improve productivity and maybe less people will be needed, but frankly it cant be trusted for anything requiring consistency, and reliability. would you trade on an AI analysis without checking everything it did? Half the time you ask it for something and it just makes it up whole cloth. would you want AI machine to inject you with meds that it determined you need?
>>61453437It’s what the other guy said: gambling is a tax on retards. People ought to have the right, but I’m not going to pretend that introducing hypergambling into every dimension of our lives is a net good.
>>61453458US big tech hire some of the smartest and most capable people on earth, yet layoffs are still happening as we speak. A $0.5M total comp engineer with AI can replace a team of 15 mid level codemonkeys. The same is even more true of design, marketing, recruitment, etc. note how these companies are also rapidly consolidating power as other businesses fail to adapt or are acquired
>>61453499They say these things, but why does open AI have any positions open ? You dont think a weakening economy where everyone is loosing jobs outside of big tech , where AI is not and will not be replacing people has something to do with it. Or the fact that Big tech overhired during covid? These companies would eat every industry up if they could. But the reality is they cant, and the agentic techis not good enough. Maybe there is more efficiency and less, glut, but anyone who has utilized AI knows there is a lot of smoke being blown up people's asses right now about things it supposedly can do , but in reality cant. https://fortune.com/2025/09/10/ai-adoption-declines-big-companies-human-skills-premium-education-gen-z/
>>61453545There’s a lot of bullshit but I suspect there is also a lot of clever automation going on in some departments of these companies that is unavailable to the wider industry. When you have tens of gigawatts gpu farms to play with you could do some pretty cool stuff that some startup with cursor or OpenAI codex license could only dream of
>>61453609>>61453545I’m not suggesting they can replace all knowledge workers anyway, not even close. just that currently they are a lot more productive than everybody else and are able to sustain productivity while haemorrhaging headcount for half a decade. When people warn of massive white collar job losses to automation, this may well happen without any more major innovations in AI if the wider market can eventually adopt the same processes as OpenAI, google and such
>>61453609>>61453627The proof is in the pudding. Has profitability exploded ? open AI cant even pay for its data center usage with revenues. Imagine having a white collar slave that could run 24/7 and produce whitecollar products and services. imagine now you would become the richest company in a matter of months because you would just do white collar work for cheaper than your competitiors. But the reality is the white collar slave is a retard lying piece of shit who cant reason beyond a single step, cant stay focused on a task, and lies and makes up stuff all the time even in critical applications. They overhired during covid and are now right sizing , and some are laying off people to make their numbers look good, or are killing programs that would have generated revenue. They are neutering their futures on this one bet, that the retard AI slave will become the perfect worker.Ask yourself what you would do if you really had "agentic' AI that could take over the all of white collar work, and now ask your self why these companeis havent done so. its simple, because they cant. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOG/alphabet/number-of-employeesGOOG has more net employees in 2024 despite lay offs and AI.
>>61448667Why should they care if the UBI is paid in food stamps or fiat? They just can just print that. More demand makes the infrastructure grow faster. They could pay to feed the plebs for a few generations while they perfect their robot ecosystem and then just wait for the low birthrates to reduce the population.
>>61453472would you rather they play call of duty, or be idle in breadlines? there are not and definitely will not be enough jobs, are you a socialist who supports UBI/EBT for all? Otherwise, this is your best hedge.
>>61448853I work as an electrician.
