Global bond yield crisis
>>61485741what does this mean??
>>61485741Is Tether goan nuke?
>>61485753Nothing, unless there are countries where yields are not surging higher.
>>61485753Debt crises across the world, tax receipts increasingly go to paying interest. Inflation via printing to inflate away debt at the cost of losing creditor confidence forever or until heads roll and governments are transitioned into something new with different currencies. Entitlement spending stops or becomes meaningless as ebt/snap doesn't pay for enough to matter and merchants hide goods away from bad money. Massive unemployment and people just walk off jobs for the same reason the parasite class will riot and steal before being machinegunned in the streets, paychecks aren't worth anything and there is nothing to buy. Services collapse or work intermittently. Government holds emergency meetings but will have no real solutions, austerity is unpopular, SS can no longer be paid, banks go under or perform bail ins, you're locked out of your money and cannot use it. Balkanization, revolution, starvation, bodies left to rot in the streets.
Wtf do I do? Buy silver? Gold?
>>61485792omg
>>61485797Yes but get firearms, food and medicine if you haven't already. Keep a supply of gasoline on hand. Make yourself essential to an organization deemed essential so you have first access to food, fuel and alternative currency.
>have are now>are..demand higherWho wrote this?
>>61485828james bond!
>>61485741coordinated global debt collapse king francis was right all along
>>61485741France bonds market may implode first.t. got a fren at the securities desk of BNP and he suddently turned full blown prepper since October lol
Is this good or bad for corporations? Do corporations need antiquated ideas of the state anymore to carry out their will in the global market place?
>>61486019>Is this good or bad for corporations? Do corporations need antiquated ideas of the state anymore to carry out their will in the global market place?Corporations need cheap debt and bailouts. If the debt bubble blows up then say goodbye to cheap credit and fiat for future bailouts.
>>61485792Exactly the same talking points for 17+ years straight.
Explain like I'm a 5 year old nigger that just got hit over the head.What does this mean for my stonks?
do i really have to fuckin lumpsum gold at 4300?
>>61486234And QE gets bigger and bigger each time. The time between QE also gets shorter and shorter. The economic value of $1 worth of "stimulus" is also dropping. There is clearly a breaking point. The fact that it's been obvious to some people for 17 years only speaks to how stupid everyone else is. No doubt some time in the future someone will say "nobody could have predicted this."
>>61486237Stocks "go up" in pure numbers so youll be able to think youre rich for a short while when shitco goes from 10$ a share to 100$ a share. However in reality what this means is what used to cost 10$ to buy like a current chipotle bowl will now cost 100$ or more so you didnt actually get richer, more likely poorer even though number went up. For a short time people in hyperinflationary germany thought they were all getting rich since they could suddenly sell old furniture in their house for what a house used to cost etc. wasnt long before all that money wouldnt even buy a piece of bread though.
>>61486259Stock values in the past decades have not been going up with inflation, they've been growing way faster than the rate of inflation because actual profitability has been increasing. Do you think it's just a big trick and nobody in the world except you understands what inflation is?If you simply meant that this isn't going to hold true forever, and eventually the inflation-corrected stock values will start to crab sideways or decline, then I don't disagree.
Silver sisters we are going straight to $1000
>>61486397>the stock market is growing way faster than the rate of inflation not even growing faster than the price of gold
>>61485797>>61485806In a crisis, people will still use paper money because the average person knows the value of a dollar bill. I dare you to ask a random Walmart shopper what 1oz silver is worth
>>61486427>I dare you to ask a random Walmart shopper what 1oz silver is worthIn a crisis, people will either learn or they'll die. That's how it's always worked.
>>61485792Comfy
>>61485753It means governments are going make the debt go away by repricing their gold holdings and offering gold backed bonds to make their currencies seem valuable again.
>>61486418~$4000 at current money supplyImpossible to guess when the ultra-inflation starts
>>61486427>ask a random Walmart shopper what 1oz silver is worthI don't give a fuck what some unproductive dickhead thinks. All that matters is what producers think. What a farmer knows about silver versus paper money matters. Shniqyia and her 4 kids are irrelevant to the long term of the economy.
>>61485741Just have Covid round 2 to wipe out 10-20% of old people. Solves many issues.
>>61485792Sounds interesting
Loaf of bread bros.... wagmi!
>>61486532poor people don't have wealth lol
>>61487233poor people exist because of other people's wealth so it's going to be extra awkward for them when that wealth disappears
>>61485741These people are wrong about not expecting rate cuts you can look at the labour market in Germany, France, Australia, Canada, UK and you'll notice something that the vast majority of jobs created since 2023(Over 80% in some nations) are either directly or indirectly funded by the government the bulk of it in healthcare these governments are starting to wind back spending which means the "strong and robust" labour market of these nations is about to be exposed and with it rate cuts will follow
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>>61487321>>61487323
>>61487267not gonna happen. the poor get fucked by this stuff, the rich get bailed out.
>>61487321>>61487323>>61487324Expect to see unemployment rise next year as governments cut back on spending
>>61485741Who cares. World got used to super cheap credit and now its just going back to normal. We probably wont see interest rates go below ~3% for a long time
>>61487345You can read the posts above why you're 100% wrong and why anyone who doubts rate cuts next year is retarded
>>61485741This does not need to a major happening...Countries need to BALANCE their budgets!!!!Fuck that.. they need to run surplusesThis is easily fixable NOW.. but like usual they kick the debt into the future.. it is getting harder and harder to see a way out unless something is done NOW!
>>61487321why not use a single comma or period? Have you ever read a book cover to cover?
>>61487423>why not use a single comma or period? Have you ever read a book cover to cover?It is used to 'prove' you are not an AI
>>61487423hes a retard don't worry
>>61485792>the parasite classie you in x years when you get replaced by AI
>>61486425if you put 500k in 2010 and now you have 1+million you have made moneymost people will not even make 1 million
>>61487561Want to bet on rate cuts globally in 2026? Put some money behind your words you fucking faggot
>>61486516the farmer will get shot and goods stolen and the money that is used will be whoever shots and steals the most
>>61487415best we can do is another tax cut and more aid to Israel.
>>61485753Quantitative easing, which the Fed has already begun
>>61487578>best we can do is another tax cut and more aid to Israel.Mr. President, please get off the internet and get some sleep!
>>61487572So what, worldwide QE and every fiat hyperinflates?
>>61485741Trump is nominating a new Fed chairman next year, so expect the Fed to cut rates further and use quantitative easing to lower Treasury yields.Whether that causes inflation and a currency crisis remains to be seen. The economy is really in the shitter right now, so anything to make investment easier should help with hiring and real growth. It wouldn't be like the bullshit during COVID where they just inflated the currency to compensate for a devastating deflationary crisis happening in the world economy.
>>61487595Rate cuts globally as the governments who have been over represented in creating new jobs post COVID winds back spending leading to higher unemployment
>>61487595Doubtful that any currency hyperinflates. That only happens when governments are retarded and place no limit to how much fiat they will print to cover their retarded spending, like when the despot of a third world shithole prints unlimited money to pay for expenditures costing more than the country's economy.
>>61487613The US is 40 trillion dollars in debt, that sounds like retarded spending
>>61485741>have are now
>>61487650It has to be more retarded than that. Not really something the United States could do since there is nothing they could buy so ridiculous that it makes the currency look like a joke. They would have to buy Europe or something like that.Hyperinflation happens when the economy is weak or non-existent and a government tries to print fiat to pay for stuff even though that fiat has no use within the economy. The currency is obviously worthless, so the government prints exponentially more and more of to try to continue buying stuff that the country has no means to buy.The economy would have to be way worse off and the Fed controlled by a dictator President for that to happen in the United States. Not going to happen.
>>61485792unironically take your meds
>>61487650Youre a fucking idiot and do not know what youre babbling and this reply is the evidence.
>>61487415The debt literally cannot be repaid. It's part of the design.
>>61487820It can be repaid because were not a worthless economy like Russia.
>>61487822There is ALWAYS more debt than available currency. Anything anyone does is just delaying shit. It can't be repaid.
>>61487822Not without printing trillions
>>61487830Who cares. People around the world go literally into debt to get their dirty brown hands on US currency, same for Euros.
>>61487834de-dollarization is happening, boomer. the world isn't going to let the US print away their debt with no consequence
>>61487834> same for eurosGiven recent events, I doubt this will remain true for long
>>61487863>my brown alliance of shitholes that cant stand themselves will show my non existing weak dad uhm I mean america
>>61487875The entire point of this shithole war in eastern europe is russian crocodile zombies getting their hands on european industry in this case the last iron producers that arent communist shitholes. Just to blackmail europe into compliance.
>>61487902Pretty sure the whole point of this war was to unite Europe and it's failing miserably
>>61487918Its not failing miserably, NATO was about to dissolve before the mastermind Putin caused another two countries to join.
>>61485741Do people actually lock in for 30 year bonds at only ~3.5% interest per year? Why would anybody do this. Most retarded investments ever
why do countries not negotiate the interest rate of their debt? i mean if i have a mortgage i can negotiate how big my interest rate will be (to an extent) why can't big strong governments not do that? debt always goes up, i've never heard of debt going down
>>61487930Debt goes up because new markets in developping countries are borrowing money to develop their countries + inflation. People getting mortgages in US currency is good for american companies and american workers.
>>6148794340 trillion debt is obviously not good
>>61487966It is good, it means people work long hours to get their hands on american dollars, american machines, stocks, products and so on.
>>61487966Nobody wants to go into debt for roubles for instance, because nobody wants russian scrap, implying they had products to begin with other than vodka and crude oil.
>>61485753It's a bond yes crisis goy. Don't invest, just consoooom.
>>61487923And anti-EU sentiment is at an all time high
>>61486706Holy shit that pepe is dope
>>61488019This. Everyone wants the EU and NATO to go away. People would rather live under multipolarity and russian rule than endure the humiliation of liberal government any further. Europeans are tired of being sodomized and anally creampied by woke globalist western european bureaucrats and desire actual real manly goverment again.
>>61485753You will continue to own nothing since the banks technically own it, and you vill pay ze mortgage. Happiness is not mandatory, ve prefer you to be miserable, we are not monsters.
>>61487989>It is good, it means people work long hours to get their hands on american dollars, american machines, stocks, products and so on.it just means that Great Satan is spinning in the toilet and going bancrupt you fucking retard
>>61488032Actually I would want a strong EUBut one that's not corrupt, pro-immigration and so incompetent it's killing all domestic industry
>>61488019Nobody cares what brown or semi brown tartars with 10k into crypto think about the EU.
>>61488059You have the understanding of debt of a wageslave with mortgage, you fucking moron.
>>61488085I'm French, and it's getting mainstream hereBrowns love the pro-immigration EU
>>61488101Not surprised, whenever Germany surpasses France the french ally with diabolical shitholes like Poland or, god forbid, R*ssia. Also anti-EU resentments dont make browngration go away, you will get even more niggers since you wont get immigration from continentals anymore, but apefricans because theyre essential when your women are too lazy to breed. See UK.
>>61488110> Also anti-EU resentments dont make browngration go awaSee picrel> See UKThe UK is controlled by politicians who want to destroy it
>>61488137Aha, thats why they let Brexit just happen lmao. Have fun with your orange baboon, Jewtin and Turban are saviours of da huwhyte race cope.
>>61488145> if you dislike the EU, you are pro-PutinI hate people like you so much...
>>61488166>just get rid of free trade within your continent because ... because it is bad mkay or some shit about brown turdworlders
>>61488166>"I think Middle Eastern animals raping millions of European women is bad">"Wow clearly you're a Russian botthere's literally no pint arguing with these retards, anon. They're beyond it.
>>61488172>million of women Nah, we didnt reach russian levels of post WW2 rape yet, you brainlet.
>>61488170> let's impose extreme regulations on local companies, but let's sign free trade agreements with countries with no regulation> let's also make everyone's electricity prices align with Germany's extremely expensive one> let's add new taxes on our automobile sector (one of our last industry) so that European automakers fund Chinese ones> why is our economy dying?
>>61487570Yea but 500k is 2 million today in buying power. That's the catch. $3k could buy a nice house in like 1920. Now 300k gets you a niggerhood.
>>61488187Never did I speak up against constructive criticism but this whole anti-EU sentiment is astroturfed by outside forces that benefit from destroying european unity. I like that I can travel freely between my residences that are 1000km apart in the EU.
>>61488210I can understand but at that point the EU is doing everything it can yo destroy Europe, there's a reason for this rise other than Russia
>>61488249The EU destroying itself also caused the rise of Russia, not just anti-EU sentiment. That doesnt make the third world a beacon of hope.
>>61488286I never said the third world was our hopeIMO our only hope is leaving the EU and maybe recreating a new one with willing countries (Germany not welcomed)
>>61485753Printer go brr.. brrrr.. brrrrrrrr. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRBSSSZZHZIZIZUZUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>61485757If Tether dies, sell and go to XMR quick!
>>61485792Not quite.This is what would happen if the global debt market collapsed due to the extent of financialization of everything everywhere in the modern world.The bond market is a seperate issue anon, this will affect governments ability to fund themselves, service debt, etc.
>>61485797Yes, but as an ETF
>>61485753Gold and silver moon at least 4x current prices
>>61487576>nigger thinks rural people aren't stuffed to the gills in guns
>>61485792Or we could tax the corporations at least as much as individuals
>>61486246you can get 1/4 oz gold coins for $1100-1200, or silver for $65/oz
>>61488418I also think that estate taxes should increase for people above a certain net worth.
>>61488418Go back to >>>/trash/, pajeet
>>61488409i think rural people also have better aim, and readiness, from regularly hunting deer, and military service
>>61485972>>61485972how do i profit off this? is there a retail product for us investors, like inverse france bond etf?
>>61485797RAM sticks, Graphics cards, Ryzen, motherboards. This debt shit doesn't matter, what matters is the US being so weak and even weaker once the global market crashes means chyna gets the signal to invade Taiwan. Whatever the result is, in the 5 minutes after the first missile has been fired, all those components price will 4x. Just look at what RAM is doing already.5 minutes. Not 24h, not 12h, not 6h. 5 minutes. This is the timeframe you'll have before scalpers hoard everything.You'll be able to fuck a harem of 10/10 sluts in a mansion with seaview just by owning a dozen of RAM sticks. You'll even be able to stick them in their pussies.
>>61485792ETA? believe it or not. 2 weeks
>>61488529No, just someone that is mad because I'm now stuck to AM4, and now I can't even find DDR4 sticks that haven't doubled in price also, all while the 5700X3D and 5800X3D are now at absurd prices as they're the endgame AM4 CPUs fo people that think of making their AM4 last longer due to the RAM situation.You're living through a rehearsal of what will happen, but worse. Shortage and human greed are fast at ruining a market. More than I thought.
>>61487898it's every country not just brownoids. you have no good faith allies left in europe. china is tired of your shenanigans. they dont even have to do anything except stop buying US bonds
>>61487925countries with trillions of dollars to invest
>>61488032ziggers and migtards be like
>>61488570thats cool but also not an argument
>>61488583now type that again but cry even harder
>>61485757look into their history. it's written on the wall bro.
>>61486425Holy arbitrary timeframe, Batman!
>>61485972>>61488449Also curious, this seems plausible as there is no real solution to the ongoing crisisIf this actually happens, the whole EU will be impacted
>>61488673>Muh Spain is OVER>Muh Portugal is OVER>Muh Italy is OVER and Monte dei Paschi bank is OVER>Muh Deutsche Bank is GIGAOVER>Muh Credit Suisse is TURBOOVER>Muh HSBC is OWARI DA>Muh France is...>FOR REAL THIS TIMEInstead of parroting ziggerhedge like dumb thirdies retards and how the USD is also OVER, how about looking at the real fucking elephant in the room?
>>61488568Still retarded. They will lose a min of a 4x just on inflation
>>61485741It's either:Weimer DollarStock market crashes and crabs for a decadeWinning a warIf the retards in power don't pick one, all three will happen and the war will be a losing one.This is a good thread to point out that hyperinflation is nit a direct result of the government printing. It is the result of proles, yaving been primed after years of inflation, freak out over a comperatively small printing. A smart Austrian school jew said so.
>>61488593only that there is now evidence that dinosaurs lived as recently as 10k yrs ago. (soft tissue deposits in 'fossils'). Imo they were hunted to extinction. hence the global cultural meme, slay your dragon.
>>61488512hey anon, can you recommend a specific amazon product link for a non tech savvy prepper to hoard?
>>61488715Yeah you're right. The rest are dominoes lining up.Japan collapses and then what? I mean would the Fed engineer some massive yen buying to stabilize shit?
>>61485797imo, stock up on household chemicals: bleachiodinedish soapwd-40motor oilsaltrat poisonlighter fluidetc.
>>61488417>increase tax from 21% to 37%That's great but it won't make a dent in balancing the government budget. They need to spend less but cannot spend less on SS, Medicare, defense or always increasing interest. DOGE as retarded as it was showed that reducing government spending is impossible outside of a crisis, even if it was successful anyone who implemented it would be voted out as soon as possible.>>61486234In 2008 the government had only 16 trillion in debt. The situation has gotten worse yet spending has increased. Look at what poors threatened to do when food stamps were shut off for one month, there were planning to shit up every single store such that no one could buy goods. Federal reserve announced QE again and have given up on inflation. If I'm wrong the government could balance a budget.
>>61488086You understand debt like you just read Rich Dad Poor Dad and think you’re a financier
>>61489282The problem is everyone is in poor shape, there is no buyer of last resort, banks are in similar shape. The deferment of consequences into the future instead of dealing with them is what's made the problem so dire.
>>61488210You know you could have the Schengen zone without are the other retarded shit right? Why is it too much to ask for EU cucks to actually deport shitskins and not "regulate" Europe's econony into nonexistence? It's almost like they want it this way (because they're dumbfuck boomers and jews who actually think white countries are inherently evil).
>>61485792Or they can just fire up the money printer and cut interest rates while they continue to put out fake data and sweep the toxic debt under the rug
>>61488194You’re a dumb faggot who confidently spews shit out of your unwashed mouth
>>61485741Wake me up when 1 month treasuries are like 8 percent.
>>61487694>Hyperinflation happens when the economy is weak or non-existent and a government tries to print fiat to pay for stuff even though that fiat has no use within the economyYou're describing all western governments since 2008. It's just the sheer size of the fraud that keeps it spinning. Plates are slowing though.
>>61485828The magic of the internet is giving hostile foreign governments direct access to the brains of your citizens. Hitler, Stalin and Mao could never have dreamed of such incredible tools like Facebook, Google and Twitter.
>>61485741>Market mood is global economic uncertainty>Bond yields are going up across the board reflecting perception of riskWho could have predicted this???
>>61485757tether makes money on that yieldthis crisis is the opposite for them, it's their golden age
>>61490018But wouldn't you just use real money at that point instead of paying for someone else's currency?
>>61485741Loaf of wheat bread for a days wageUhh guys.....it's happening soon isn't it?
>>61488403cant wait
>>61488512>Just look at what RAM is doing already.Completely unrelated to geopolitics. It's high because conpanies make more money producing products for the AI beast that has a limited scaled of O(n2) for self-attention. It requires insane hardware resources to address and it won't even out a dent in it.AI is a black hole for resources.
>>61489770>there is no buyer of last resortThe IMF has been positioning themselves to become INTERNATIONAL LENDER OF LAST RESORT for years. They've been openly telling you all this and there are probably less than 1,000 people who are aware lf it.
>>61486234yes, but we can see the effects live
>>61486532>wealth destructionFalse. There's always a wealth transfer.Guess who's gonna be on the winning side.
>>61485741>>61485797 >>61485792is now a good time to get bonds?
>>61490060just figure out how to source raw ingredients and bake your own bread from scratch
>>61485792so would now be the best or worst time to DebtMaxx? asking for a friend.
>>61485797how about actually provide something to your society?
>>61489873>lets use the very systems they built to lie to you to prove a pointThe projection on this post is at faggotry levels. I don't think youll pass the filter
>>61488444They're none of those things and the 1950s idea of a farmer jim who fought in WWII doesn't exist anymore. You're talking about a factory farm whose owners are boomer heads of a corporation who live in a mansion and have beaner slaves doing all the work. All of them are soft and all of you are retarded.
>>61490881>how about actually provide something to your society?That comes after the collapse. You don't build a sand castle as the tide is rolling in, bud. It would be a waste of time.
Pretty obvious the plan is a controlled demolition then replace fiat with digital slave dollars. I'm bullish on the idea of cattle lining up for their CBDC biometric chip
>>61491249>>61491249Buy land you can grow potatoes on. Hopefully you'll be able to keep it and reduce your expenses. Learn how to fix basic machinery as well. Buy a lathe, a drill press, a welder. You do this now because you're not going to have money or time to learn and set everything up as the collapse happens.
>>61485802yes
>>61491414Also make sure you're nearby a navigable water or railway, preferably close to the coast.
>>61491414>because you're not going to have money
>>61490872See this woman.In a collapse she will be a cannibal
>>61486222If a company needs dabt and bailouts isn't it failing to allocate capital in a way that generates value?
>>61485741>40 year bond yield>3.71%How does this work? I'm assuming theoretically that if you could buy a 100 dollar 40 year bond, it means nip gov gives you back $103.71 40 years later? Who in their right mind would ever buy these things regardless of the yield?
>>61488362What about digital gold tokens?
>>61488290what are you, a pollack?
>>61488648>needs to go back to the stone ages to make his stockmarket scam look goodgrim
>>61491696that is the yield per yearthese used to be almost at zeroyes, they are all going bancrupt
>>61491696>Who in their right mind would ever buy these things regardless of the yield?Institutions and individuals who want to protect their cash reserves. Bonds act as savings accounts for the wealthy. If you stash $350 million in 3.71% APY bonds, then your $350 million will make you an extra $13.2 million on top of keeping that $350 million safe. Investing it into the market leaves it open massive losses in the event of a crash or liquidity crisis. Investing it into commodities leaves it open to massive losses as well as making it expensive to handle and store. Investing it into an institution into a bank leaves it open to a 99.9% loss in the event of a bank failure.
>>61491696Also >>61491724 is right the yield is yearly, so the $350 million I mention here >>61491773 would earn $13.2 million every year for 40 years, which would result in a net profit of $528.3 million for the institution or individual who purchased the bond. For comparison, a yield of 0.5% like we've seen quite frequently over the last 20 years would earn you $1.75 million per year on that $350 million and net you $70 million over 40 years. As you can see, it is much more difficult for a government to repay a 3.71% bond than it is to repay a 0.5% bond.
>>61491712FrenchWe really have been fucked by the EU
>>61485741>>61485753>>61485757>>61485788>>61485792STOP BUYING SILVER NOW.
>>61491168i live among them. think again.
>>61491430 whatever gold and silver you have will be quickly eaten away by every day commerce. Right now fuel is cheap so you can easily transport heavy equipment hundreds of miles. If you end up with a shortage of fuel, not only is it going to be expensive but you'll also risk getting scammed by the logistics guy who undoubted can find a buyer for whatever machinery you're buying. The fantasy of having a hoard of gold that'll make you king after the collapse is just that. Everything you need to survive hard times is stuff you should be buying right now when it's cheap and easy to find.
