>>61508888Checked.People called for ages that China was simply watching, and waiting as major AI and hardware companies became overcooked while they took what was left for cheap. Hardware independence for China is a bigger national security threat than them winning the "AI Race" which is a term not even the most bullish of investors can define.
>>61508906What?
>>61508888Checked. Fortuitous 8s.What are then consequences for ex-ASML staff handing critical parts of the hardware supply chain to the country whose main priority is to undercut Western industry at every opportunity?
>>61508933american consumers get access to cheaper technology that does not contain hardware level NSA/mossad back door access.
>>61508933Unironically black bagged at the first convenienceWhether ai is the real deal or not, players at the top believe it is and there are no war crimes in spy games
>>61508933>What are then consequences for ex-ASML staff handing critical parts of the hardware supply chain to the country whose main priority is to undercut Western industry at every opportunity?Become a high status member in the party and enjoy a state mandated harem of jade beauties for their comradely contribution to the middle kingdom
>>61508888Quads of truth
Holy shit 8888 quads
>>61508888>>61509000Holy digits of Mandate of HeavenJoining the party today is like buying bitcoin in 2009
>>61509000ThisAnd 8 figures of dollar
I hope the semi ETF I have will replace the US companies with the new Chinese winners.
Kek
>>61508911He was right
Hmm
>>61508933The main consequence is that they make boatloads of money
>>61508888Tried to use machine learning to summarize a show. Got almost every detail wrong.
>>61508888meh. we already have strong, PRIVATE companies recycling gallium with western, UAE and Asian nations in tow, plenty of which can be used for Ai and new iFoans. China is cooked. BRICS will be shat lol
>Civilisation that stood for somewhere between 2-5 thousand years (depending on how schizo you are), only being conquered externally twice, one of which got punted out not even a century later and the other was so thoroughly sinicised that they were basically Chinese and would also have been kicked back to their corner of now part of China if whitoids hadn’t interfered using their Industrial Revolution tech>nah they are just stupid bug people who can only imitate lmaoAlso don’t want to hear shit about IP theft from fucking America, the nation built on flagrantly stealing and violating British patents to bootstrap its economy all during the Industrial Revolution. Turnabout is fair play fatoids.
>>61512188all britishers did was steal from india which is even older civilisation than china by thousand and responsable for 99.% of all invensions that western civilisation rely
>>61508888>many acronymsFirst indicator that someone is selling you bullshit.
>>61512212kys jeet, you can have the diamond back when your citizens are using toilets
>>61512212shush pajeets adults are talking
>>61512188The IP theft isn’t what gets me, because as you mentioned, Americans straight up went to Great Britain and simply wrote down what they were doing and did it here. What gets me is how China will subsidize all of their industries, make the prices rock bottom, crush the competition overseas, and vacuum up the profits. Nobody else operates like that, and we should fuck them up for doing so. How the fuck is anyone else supposed to compete short of state-led capitalism?
>>61512222>>61512231dont you have another job apllication to send timmy?
>>61508888>>61509000>>61509027Based as fuck>>61508933They have a true capitalistic spirit, FOR THE HIGHEST BIDDER! They don't owe shit to anybody, why would they?>>615089982 more weeks, CIA got absolutely slaughtered in China
Fecaloid infested thread
>>61512232>How the fuck is anyone else supposed to compete short of state-led capitalism?Have you ever considered that state-led capitalism is actually a good model? And that the west should be adopting something similar? In fact it’s pretty much what the US used to be back in the day when they had a functioning system, the government smashing monopolies and providing funds to burgeoning sectors. The major difference is that they have the cream of crop university graduates enter the party and they rise in the ranks based on performance from small localities up the chain rather than have a 4 yearly personality contest. Their system is simply superior and in my opinion we should adopt most of it but keep the guns and free speech and dump the surveillance state.
>>61512232>china offers cheap products>western billionaires can't make astronomical profits anymore>please will somebody think of the billionaires?!Personally I don't give a single fuck who profits from my purchases, some state-led Chinese industrialist from Shenzhen or some VC-led billionaire from California (that floods the west with niggers). Why would I care? Why would I prefer one over the other?
>>61512232>fed prints gorillions>big part of the money is dumped into SV startups and tech sector, literal trillions of $>nobody on the planet can compete with these companies on direct IV drip of money straight from the FED>these companies become global monopolies>FREE MARKET FUCK YEAH>china copies this>usa cries wolf, le china le badYou can't make this shit up
>>61512297I think it’s only beneficial when you’re the only one doing it, otherwise the world veers into mercantilism and zero-sum mindsets. Then you’ll miss the days of “free” trade.Don’t get me started on U.S. politics, we’d be a lot better off if most people refrained from voting and our leaders had even a modicum of integrity that Chinese officials have. We think in cycles of eight years, tops. The Chinese have plans for 2049 and beyond. I’ve actually had the opportunity to discuss this with U.S. policymakers and they’re thoroughly convinced the market will beat this mindset.
>>61512312>>61512332Except the state is playing zero role in how the money gets allocated, the market decides that. In China, they are willing to go deep into debt to create artificially low prices throughout numerous industries. You might think a $15k Chinese EV is really cool, not so much when we become reliant on them and they can hang us by our nutsacks.
>>61512232>uber is 15 years in a row burning through unholy billions of IV drip of money from VCs (that serve as middle men from institutions)>operating at a loss for 15 years to destroy all competition:)FREE MARKET FUUUUCK YEAAAAAH>china copies this:[yOu CaN't Do ThAt!!!!1111oneone
>>61512358>they are willing to go deep into debt to create artificially low prices throughout numerous industriesYou've just described Silicon Valley
>>61512361Except, again, this is done via the market. Uber can’t compete against China if they decide to flood the market with $15k autonomous EVs, nobody can.>just let an adversary undercut every nation on the planet bro, we’ll get cheaper goods broNo thanks.
>>61512358>not so much when we become reliant on them and they can hang us by our nutsacksAs a European I don't care either way if it's American VC-led monopolies or Chinese state-led monopolies. I just find it funny that americans are crying and China copying them and calling their actions unfair top fucking kek
>>61512375>an adversarySorry, not my adversary, I'm European.
>>61512370Are you purposefully misunderstanding what I’m saying? No amount of VCs with deep pockets can beat China at a long-term game of burning money.>just buy their solar panels bro, even though they can shut them all off in an instant, think of how cheap they are
>>61512380I don’t believe anything is “unfair”, I don’t believe in the concept of fairness. But I do see a nation that is using the power of the state to undercut every other country’s market, including yours, even if you’re not American. Just wait until China is your overlord, you’ll think about just how good you had it before.
>>61512389>even though they can shut them all off in an instantLike amazon can shut off it's devices because the microphone spying on the customers thought it detected a racial slur?
>>61512399What’s really cool about a market that is generally considered to be free is that you have the choice of purchasing something, opting not to, or purchasing from a competitor. It’s actually pretty cool. If you Europeans didn’t nuke yourselves with regulations and subhuman biomass from the Middle East and Africa, you could’ve had some excellent domestic choices.
>>61512398>it's wonderful under american boot!>you'll miss it under chinese boot!Last time I checked china doesn't flood other countries with nigs and doesn't force mandatory trans education to small school children. But yeah we might miss the positives of american rule, like... uhmmm... like... Can you give me a hand here?
>>61512406Yes, competitors to the american monopolies, like... uhmmm... like... like Chinese companies, the only competition out there
>>61512406>If you Europeans didn’t nuke yourselves with regulations and subhuman biomass from the Middle East and Africa, you could’ve had some excellent domestic choices.For the most part European governments do what Washington tells them to do, or rather US embassy tells them to do, or else there's a regime change. Germany or France might be the only exceptions to this, maybe.
>>61512389>No amount of VCs with deep pockets can beat China at a long-term game of burning money.
>>61512398Chinese boot looks positively radiant compared to the Jew boot. At least you get good transport, cheap stuff and the surveillance state is applied equally so niggers get the boot on their neck when they chimp out. Neither would be preferable of course but it is what it is.
>>61512408Oh, just wait until they have the upper hand.>no more anything for you until you fulfill our demandsIt sometimes happens with the U.S., but it certainly changes. China doesn’t let go. You really want to be under their yoke for a millennium? Be my guest.
>>61512430China maintained healthy medieval relationships with almost all countries (except for Korea and Vietnam which they had a few chudouts with) for pretty much all of history. You sent them tribute, acknowledged the son of heaven, they sent back gifts exceeding your tribute and then you would trade (depending on if they were doing foreign trade at the time) and do normal nation state interaction stuff.
>>61512389>Are you purposefully misunderstanding what I’m saying?I'm being a bit cheeky and trolly on purpose, but I genuinely don't see a difference between American monopolies or Chinese monopolies. I don't have a horse in this race. There doesn't exist any reason for me to prefer one over the other, apart from price to product quality ratio on specific products.>>just buy their solar panels bro, even though they can shut them all off in an instant, think of how cheap they areReminds me of the blackout in Spain after Spanish politicians disobeyed American orders.
>>61512430But seriously, can you provide 1 benefit to Europe from American rule? "China will be worse" is not really an answer to this question.>china can turn off solar panelsLike USA turned off Spanish grid causing a long blackout?>they will screw you overLike USA forcing European institutions to buy subprime loans in 2007-2009 so Americans can dump it on EU?>you will have to listen to them, no alternativesSo nothing will change?
>>61512406>"free market" (TM) is amazing, you can choose any competitor you want>BUT NOT FROM CHINA>also oopsie, there are 0 competitors from Europe>pure coincidence>we tots had NOTHING to do with that>pinky promise>only options out there are american monopolies>fuck yeah free marketTheory vs practice
>>61509000I want to go boom boom
>>61512389>No amount of VCs with deep pockets can beat China at a long-term game of burning money.Did miss anything here?>VC-led American monopolies on infinite money via debt dripGood>state-led Chinese monopolies on infinite money via debt dripBad (because they have more money)Did I miss anything here?
>>61512406so why can't I buy a $7k chinkbox then retard
>>61512580Because it's le bad because China copies what America is doing, but using more money, and that is le bad because China doesn't promote sex changes for women of color in Uganda
>>61509000>webmWould defect my peepee to her bagin
>based as fuck Mandate Of Heaven enjoyer Xi Jingping tells his beloved people to buy gold and silver>they both go up>the orange nigger shills shitcoins to his direct voters>shitcoins rug -99% in few months>2025 is dogshit year for cryptoBut yeah don't trust China! China is le bad and shieeeet! Go buy Orange Niggers shitcoin instead! Very good investment, go long x10!
>>61508989>its just has chink backdoors instead
>>61508933Doubt (x) they would get the know how as asml makes sure no one employee doesn't know how all the parts fit together and if they do they are usually top level that signed a liable NDA and get paid very handsomely.
>>61512669And what are they going to do with it? They won't use it against you, they won't cancel you for saying there are only 2 genders - they don't do that, they're not Americans
>>61512692>no one employee doesn't know how all the parts fit togetherGood thing ASML has a bajillion ethnic Chinese working at all levels of its operations. Just got to get enough knowledge and spend some time filling in the gaps.>Liable NDAChairman laughs>Get paid very handsomely I’m afraid it’s a free market and the CCP will pay moreDid you actually read the article that covers all your points?
>>61510795China produces 70% of rare earth elements.Let that sink in.
>>61512188>only being conquered externally twiceMy man they outnumbered the Manchus in their country 100 to 1 and still got made to be their bitches to the point where they had to have their hair tied a certain way.
>>61512730Like americans and jews, and having their dicks cut in a certain way?
>>61512297The USA is already socialist buddy, we don't need the reduction of God given rights like China, fuck you commie
>>61512730The Manchus rolled them because late Ming was a clusterfuck nightmare mess of rebels and pirates, although they seethed about the haircut thing they put up with it because the Manchus did an actually (mostly) good job of ruling up until the opium wars where they fucked everything up and the taiping rebellion got going, they were feeding the Manchu their teeth and whitey intefered. The mongols were way scarier than the Manchus but they sent them packing posthaste because they did a nightmarishly shit job of ruling.>>61512738Apt comparison>>61512743Not sure if I would consider billionaire oligarchs and Jews buying off the political class to enrich themselves “socialist” but hey I guess whatever the talmudvision tells you.
>>61512238>absolutely slaughtered in Chinai require context
>>61512718>Good thing ASML has a bajillion ethnic Chinese working at all levels of its operationsThey work on the DUVs not the EUVs.Again, you say this but they have never had a working prototype despite the tech being out for a decade already.
>>61512751Its not Jews you brainlet, its boomers and muh house price and muh welfare fucking shit up voting in politicians who beck and call to that.Where do you think the 43 trillion in debt came from?
>>61512762Now it's been few years ago.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/20/china-dismantled-cia-spying-operations-new-york-times
>>61512787>it’s the boomers real estate and the niggersOk schlomostein we will just pretend AIPAC and megacorp donations don’t exist I guess
>>61512795Brutal. At least the soviets would try to trade or something no mercy at all here and it was barely in then news instead we're fighting coastal chicken farmers in Venezuela it might actually be over
>>61512803Why do the politicians have that much power to sway the economy in the first place. You should look into that first before you talk about bribing. You blaming the Jews solely just tells me you're not seeing the truth when it's presented to you.
>>61512817I've heard that they've also killed hundreds of assets / contacts inside of China. Which is odd, you'd expect they would try to control and monitor the information flow.
>>61512887>Why do the politicians have that much power to sway the economy in the first placeCould it perhaps be that they are the ones who write the laws? Nah no way lmao
>>61508888the bubble burst is inevitable because if AGI is possible, it will be free from china, if not then the second anyone figures it out we're going into great depression 2what is for sure is muttmerica will disappear, and good fucking riddance to the satanic empire
>>61512358You literally described the grow with VC money and enshittify later Silicon Valley business model
>>61512913meh. economy bubbles don't burst because there is more demand than supply. they burst because the opposite but with a plot twist: the supply is there but the demand is fake - this is what caused the dot com bubble burst and the housing crisis burst of 2008, but 2008 is ancient times, freddie mae and fannie mac can't cook or hide the books anymore. social media surveillance is at an all time high and with the advent of Ai separating fake news from factual news as the icing on the cake, any Ai BIG SHORT bubble is all dinosaur hedgie propaganda nonsense. if you fall for it, you deserve to have your ass handed to you stuffed with a bat and an a pangolin
Wen crash
>>61508888China producing video cards is a good thing.Imagine being able to buy a state of the art GPU for $200 and ram for $30.
>>61508888A Europa Universalis 5 machine???
>>61512817yeah its definitely overthere are no CIA assets left in china and any efforts to locate more are such a waste of time and money that they should not even be attempted
>>61508888EUV has been out for like a month blud, you're late
>>61508888I wonder how much China paid these engineers and what the odds that they they get suicided are.
>>61512232state capitalism is superior. what we have in the jewnited states is not working. there is no accountability or allegiance to the state. american executives subvert the state by pushing critical aspects of the supply chain overseas, outsourcing and abusing domestic workers, shipping entire factories to mexico, and laying to waste everything except for the shareholders. and if it all blows up because of abject retardation or deliberate fraud, they face minimal to no penalties -- and in fact, they might go on to ruin more companies, like that retarded slut marissa meyer.
>>61513876The Reuters article mentions that recruits are given new identity documents and told to never reveal their real names. It also mentions that the laboratory is a high-security facility.
>>61508888Oof, digits confirm that China has been generous.
>>61512232>subsidize all of their industries, make the prices rock bottom, crush the competition overseas, and vacuum up the profitsDumping is only a profitable strategy if you eventually raise prices. Yet China never seems to get to the phase of raising prices, even after they've completely taken over a sector. It's almost as if they've succeeded in genuinely reducing production costs.>Nobody else operates like thatYes they do. For example: Taiwan's electronics industry.The ones who don't operate like that tend to be the ones who already have dominant world-leading industries, or who lack the war chest or political discipline to do it. Even indirect things such as infrastructure can be a kind of state subsidy to domestic industry. Tax incentives are rampant across the world. It's just that China is one of the few countries big enough to single-handedly dominate whole industries, not least due to unbeatable economies of scale.
>>61508888Xi fucking so much. How do trump cucks even live with themselves?
>>61513704CIA literally tries to get in touch with Chinese dissidents via youtube videos lmao, they're extremely desperate
>>61512669China wont touch me unlike anglo kikes
>>61508888I knew game devs are horribly optimised nowadays but you need your own machine just to run EU V?Damn
>>61508888I can't believe that China is just two weeks away from collapsing. Again. For the twelfth time. This year.
>>61509211鬼佬 can't invest in chinese companies
But Zero Hedge told me that China is going to collapse soon.
>>61518215Again?!
>>61508906>AI Raceoh no china is going to have a better shitty chatbot that tells you lies! quick! burn 5 trillion dollars!
>>61508888Another wumao nigger thread. Neither kikes nor chinks will give you a girlfriend. Go back to your wagecage.
Im honestly disgusted that China didn’t do this sooner Why would you give your enemy room to shit all over the table? Now China is looking for answers that shouldn’t have taken this long We should be gaming on high end hardware and GPUs…Nvidia stopped making anything over 8GB gpus giving China the perfect environment to shit all over western companies like they did with openai Its a matter of time now…. Would be funny to see kikes screaming in pain as China releases an all in one AI PC with 200GB vram plus 1TB ram for $5999 and mass produce it
>>61520582>Would be funny to see kikes screaming in pain as China releases an all in one AI PC with 200GB vram plus 1TB ram for $5999 and mass produce itWould be import banned from the entire west faster than you can say holocaust.
>>61509000>Asian women are tra-ACK
>>615223531. get it from 2nd world countries2. doesnt matter, will still go to 99% of the world minus some western countries3. smuggling, smuggling, smuggling4. china can just abuse you and rape you with rare earth control exports until you let them dump 5. doesnt matter, its existance will fuck up rates of comparable western ones
>>61512188>Also don’t want to hear shit about IP theft from fucking America, the nation built on flagrantly stealing and violating British patents to bootstrap its economy all during the Industrial Revolution.Are you retarded? Patents are national in scope. A British patent is absolutely meaningless in any other country in the world, other than as something to copy. Same with an American patent, a French patent, and even a fucking Ghanian patent.The "China IP theft" thing is mostly about China engaging in industrial espionage to steal trade secrets, especially about processes.
>>61508888We had this thread on /pol/ last night (it opened with a typical Zeihan screenshot).Me: has actually done stuff for TSMC before as an outside contractor.Zeihan is a cockgobbling retard, but I'm not in the slightest bit worried about China being able to produce 3nm chips any time soon. It doesn't happen just because they made or stole one machine, there is an entire process they have to figure out, and parts of that process are so difficult that even Intel and Samsung haven't caught up to TSMC.Unless China invades Taiwan or kidnaps TSMC staff, they're going to have to figure out a shitload of stuff to ever get it working, and China is a country that only recently figured out how to make ball-point-pen balls.I ain't gonna hold my breath.
>>61508933>ex-ASML staffProbably Chinese themselves
>>61522443they are running a fucking manhattan style programthey have more engineers than the world combinedthey caught up with 20 other metrics alreadyyour borrowing time nigger>samsung and intelretard us company and a generic korean chaebol that can't even make enough ram
>>61522434>The "China IP theft" thing is mostly about China engaging in industrial espionage to steal trade secrets, especially about processesYes this is exactly what the US did to Britain, sent over spies to see what they were doing and steal/copy their shit>>61522519Samsung refuses to sell RAM to Samsung has to be one of the funniest recent headlines.
>>61522539>underestimate china on shipbuilding>now worlds largest and newest navy>same with cars>same with infrastructure>same with 50 other thingsthey'll build 100 of these by tomorrow
>>61522581I remember watching a video about an industrial diamond factory in China where they had a huge warehouse stacked with row after row of these massive sci fi ass machines and all I could think about was how hard the Jews must be seething about this kek sorry schlomo, chang runs the diamond business now.
>>61522613dimaondsev carsbatteriesenergy in generalso much morepharmaceuticalsrare earthscritical mineralsdrones
