Says it all really.
>>61553162Wild to think about when you heavily rely on cash. Honest working people are just getting fucked by the chuds at the top. Why even participate?
>>61553162Kill yourself.
>>61553178>capitalists are le bad punch nazis am i right guys>"kill yourself" i told him so heckin basederino
>>61553250>>capitalists are le bad punch nazis am i right guys>>"kill yourself" i told him so heckin basederino
>>61553162>exploitated workersThe labor theory of value isn't real.Grow up.
>>61553162It's incredible redditors actually believe this shit.
Also 80% of businesses go bankrupt, with no bailout.You really think that isn't a risk?LOL
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>>61553320>"hes a fucking idiot"
>>61553162Most small businesses have the owners putting up their own capital. They can declare "bankruptcy" and write off their loans but all the money they put into the business itself is lit on fire at that point. It takes determination and a belief in their business. Compare that to the "exploited worker" who has put forth nothing aside from an agreement to exchange their time for cash and benefits and can leave whenever they want.Sorry you got fired for showing up work high too many times btw. I'm sure Marx would've been a big fan of the workers of the world being a bunch of stoned gooners that cant even make a decent flat white at their coffee job because they ate too many THC gummies they got from a gas station.
>>61553323i didnt say hes a you added that part
you can't exploit workers because they have the freedom to not apply to work for you or quit whenever they want. It's ultimately their choice.
>>61553351Ah yes, it’s our choice to participate in this capitalistic economy, thank jehovah we have a Jewish economy of exploitation.
>>61553918>aaaaaaaa I was born in to this hellscaoe and now I must eat foodDamn you capitalism!
>>61553162>all those words>doesn't even mention central bankingTypical.
>>61553162How were the workers exploited and how did the bank exploit them
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>>61553351If employer with tens of millions of fuck off money doesn't hire a worker, then nothing happens to the livelihood of employer.If worker doesn't get hired by the employer, they starve.Labor market is fundamentally not a voluntary exchange, because one side has physical need to engage in it, where the other doesn't.
business should be less regulated and allowed to fail hard; and their managers/owners held personally liable for the faultcaveat emptor, caveat venditor bitch
>>61553162Typical leftist>Noooo capitalism is... Le bad!!!Typical Chad>"Damn, I should get a business loan"
>>61553162this is the risk
>>61553162Some fail and dont pay back the loan and basically burn a pile of cash, others create billion dollar enterprises and there is everything in between.Good doomer bait
no one forces business owners to "risk" anything. also, yeah, they might "generate" jobs, but the only thing stopping a worker from becoming a "business owner" is... the money to start something, and a good overall economic situation.like, you are born in a decent home, with a roof, a family you can trust that provides you stuff, and so on. not everyone has that.so your arguments are retarded, faggots.
>>61553162Reminder that it is impossible to escape from Capitalism. Even Communism is just a sub branch of Capitalism.
>>61553991>If worker doesn't get hired by the employer, they starve.It's impossible to starve in America, unless you are doing it on purpose.Food stamps, ebt, food banks, soup kitchens, charity... damn it, one time me and my friends hit up the local Pizza Hut as it was about to close and we asked if they had any leftovers for us, we got a pizza each.There's no hunger in America, it's just a hyperbolic myth perpetuated by socialist losers like (You).
>>61555198With AI, this will go to 90% or moreWe'll have 10 corporations ruling over America
>>61558306>the only thing stopping a worker from becoming a "business owner" is... the money to start something, and a good overall economic situation.Bitch, you are sitting in front of a computer. There are several ways you could start a business right now with zero dollars.Just go on craigslist and you'll find dozens of people trying to get rid of furniture, old appliances, electronics, etc. You could take it off their hands and flip it.
>>61555151>I should get a business loanAre you one of the chosen?
>>61558445>It's impossible to starve in America, unless you are doing it on purpose.THIS!The problem is not getting enough calories the problem is getting too many.A single slice of pizza is almost all you need.
>>61553162The Cantillon Effect MFs need the wall and a bullet.
>>61553334Relax faggot
>hello I will pay you this much to perform [task]>ok I agree>HELP I'M BEING EXPLOITED SOMEONE HELP
>>61558902It goes all the way down to a deep aversion toward reality/biology. You have to eat to survive. You can be a bum or eat literal garbage but most people will choose to exchange their time and effort for some sort of voucher or token they can redeem for food. This idea that there is injustice or inequality within that arrangement is why Marxism is essentially non-secular Christianity. Thing bad because not fair, my idealistic fantasy promises that the wrong can be undone, therefore do things my way so I don’t have to struggle. Master slave morality regressivism.
>>61553162>Says it all really....
>/biz/ doesn't understand exploitation>thinks value is created in exchangeMakes sense
>>61553926Food production is completely socialized.
>>61559956>commies overuse 'exploitation' to the point they become the enemy of everyone with a job
>>61559956>marxist flat earth retard thinks objects magically have inherent value>marxist retard doesn't understand that government intervention(including money printing) are why the working class is suffering today and that capitalism is the only cure to these problemsI bet you think the rate the profit is falling too lol.Marxists truly all deserve to drown.
>>61560265>>61559956Marxist exploitation theory of value was debunked by Bohm Bawerk over 120 years ago and marxist subhumans haven't been able to properly refute it outside of some pointless yapping by Hilferding.Reminder that the transformation problem has yet to be resolved.Marxism is an ideology for childish retards.
>>61560290Andrew Kliman refuted Bawerk a while ago.
>>61553162Just start a business then, poor people shouldn't make cattle, then maybe things would be better for you.
>>61558933I think suicid3 being illegal is a part of this. If someone chooses not to work they still end up with the job of survival. To truly be free I think we need to have fully legal self-offing services that are cheap and painless.
>>61560938Bridges are paid by the taxpayer
>>61553175> Honest working people you are overwhelmingly referring to brown people.
>>61560864No he didn't lolMarx never talked about time preference btw
>>61561106Jumping off a bridge is still scary and fear is mental pain. In order for capitalism to not be cruel we need a way out free from fear also. They would need to be put to sleep first. Once people start opting out there will be fewer workers and the owners will have to pay more for labor until they are paying enough that people want to live. Putting obstacles in front of unaliving yourself is distorting the marketplace in favor of the buyers of labor.
>>61553162>start a business>dont exploit your workers>still not a libtard ????
>>61553162This was written by someone who's only skill is making a barely passable vegan latte, communists can't actually produce anything with their "labour"
>>61553273I wonder what happens in the factory, for the price of production (price at which goods must be sold to achieve a normal profit margin), being superior to the cost of production. It's like some value is created in the process.
>>61560290marxism is just treason made into a political ideologythats all it isevery marxist deserves to be shotand a society that doesnt understand it suffers greatly
>>61553162It says how stupid you are. Like genuinely stupid. How much do you spend on overdraft fees every month? If you don't have enough money in the bank to pay for your carton of cigarettes, then the bank isn't loaning out YOUR money.>>61553273Labor Theory of Value is the same across all economic models, dipshit. Yeah Marx says it. So does Adam Smith. They didn't invent it. Go stack more silver and hope line goes up just for existing.>>61553290He seems to think there are no consequences for declaring bankruptcy.
>>61558654If you're not, figure out how you CAN be. The library is open. So is Google.
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>>61563155funny, I dont see China on this list, ching chang chong
>>61558933it really annoys me that i have to take a shit and piss it feels like all the dam time
>>61553162Anyone can take a loan from a bank.The parents who exploited people somehow had to start from small. If you think they got handed money as well then you have to stop at a certain generation that was first to be able to save money and start a business
>>61561627Unironically, libtard business owners exploit their workers MORE than right wingers because they're doing it for moral reasons and the greater good is served. Right wingers want to succeed, but left wingers want to make a point.See also Hillary Clinton's campaign office underpaying the women managers by like 30%.
>>61563163china isnt communist dipshit
>>61563163guess where the usa is on this list. and hold your cope, because there's no functional difference between a 70 year property lease or paying property taxes in perpetuity.
>>61563197>chinese real estatehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prea_Kcobtc
>>61558933>Marxism is essentially non-secular Christianity.Only Marxists say this lie in an effort to recruit Christians. (and they know it's a lie because the first thing the Marxists do when they take power is execute the Christian Clergy and rob the church of anything valuable).Christianity teaches that masters should treat their slaves well and that Employers should pay their workers. It also teaches that workers deserve the fair wages they agreed to, even if somebody else is getting more or if somebody who did less work at the same job is getting the same wages.Marxists are able to recruit because some business owners DO in fact abuse their workers. (See the mines of Appalachia paying in company store credit instead of real cash, keeping the debt lopsided so the worker can't up and leave), and to deny that or handwave it is to give them more recruits.
>>61563197The massive functional difference is that you still have to pay taxes if you're paying the lease, but the leaseholder can up and double the lease TOMORROW and you have no recourse.
>>61561583Capitalism has provided you with an effortless height from which to effortlessly jump to kill yourself. The fear is the upfront cost of the lifetime of surplus you are depriving everyone of.
>>61553162"Merchant class" should not be allowed to run things anyway. They are bean counters.
>>61553273Subjective theory of value is real tho, and my labor (and time) is more valuably to me than if some company owner gets more shekels.
>>61563194They sing the international in Tiananmen Square.
>>61560896there wouldn't be enough consumers idiot. consumers have been dying for the last decades from lower young populations, decrease in unions, and purchasing power from inflation. it's why rates constantly have to be lower with more frequent bailouts and stimulus
