In a proper functioning social democracy, the government would take care of you. You would have benefits, pensions, both employer and public, there would be less wealth inequality. We'd have a sufficient social security system. In Europe, especially many European countries, the people don't even know or believe in investments, they know they will be taken care of by their pensions.Why can't the government do their job and just take care of us so we don't have to gamble our wealth away on shitty "stocks" so they can be stolen by hedge fund managers and private equity people?
capitalism.
>>61570081I a natural world there would be no state or government. They see us as serves at best or as slaves. We don't want to give them even more powers.
>>61570081> In a proper functioning social democracy, the government would take care of you.Uhm no that’s pretty much unrelated
>>61570081You ignore that these shitty euro systems are collapsing and they’ve been trying to fix it with more low skill browns to fill the economic gaps. But these systems only functioned in the high trust white supermajority so instead of fixing the system it’s only leading to its further deterioration. tl;dr you’re a retarded brown commie faggot
>>61570121If the people had true democracy, and our government wasn't bought by billionnaires and corporations, we would have these policies. Everybody wants them, it's just billionnaires buy our government.>>61570122They aren't collapsing, look at USA. They just need to tax the rich more.>>61570107Government isn't slavery, private control is. It's the billionnaires and private interests that are the enemy not the people, the government, when used democratically is a force of good.
>>61570081Just be brown. Free housing, free food, free women. It's paradise.
>>61570081It's not the governments job to take care of you.
Imagine not knowing how to get money for running a learing center.
>>61570135What else are they there for
>>61570135Give me back all the taxes you robbed from me and social security
>>61570140to rob you anon.
Enlightenment propaganda
>>61570081self regulating systems are the ideal form of governance.
>>61570127>we would have these policies. Everybody wants themUhm no and no.Social democracy takes care of you in the sense that it enables a subsistence minimum. If you want to be wealthy you still have to invest smart.
>>61570081Americans have such a hilariously naive view of how European social democracies actually work. Your pension directly correlates to the amount of money you put into your pension fund. If you have a middle class job, you don't get anything free. You basically just pay a monthly mandatory amount into your pension fund and then 30 or 40 years later, you hope that the government will pay it back to you with a little bit of interest. I would trade my pension fund in a heartbeat if I had the equivalent of a Roth IRA or 401k tax free investing account here.
There used to be an era where investing didn't have to enter your mind.My boomer parents opinion of investing is that it's a gamble and "you will lose all your money on the stock market!", yet they just worked average jobs, bought houses, cars, holidays, had kids, etc, and didn't even knew their pension pots were invested in stocks just thought it was like a savings account.
>>61570617It's also a lot harder to become wealthy through investing if you live in a social democracy. The income tax in most western european nations is enormous compared to what people in the US have to pay. And that's not just for the rich.
>>61570127What nationality are you? And why shouldn’t you use your money to make money?
>>61570081This assumes stocks are basically a casino and the state is somehow risk-free, which just isn’t true. Broad investing isn’t gambling, it’s owning tiny pieces of real companies that make money. When you diversify and hold long term, the “risk” people talk about is mostly short-term noise. That’s why index funds and ETFs work so well: they strip out hedge funds, private equity, and expensive managers and just give you the market return at almost zero cost. That’s not speculation, it’s the opposite. Meanwhile government pension systems absolutely have risk, it’s just hidden. They depend on demographics, politics, and budgets, and when those change, benefits get cut or rules get rewritten, which has already happened all over Europe.Autonomy is exactly what made modern investing better. People choosing where their money goes created ETFs, cheap diversification, and deep liquidity that actually funds innovation instead of just financing government debt. Putting savings into equities helps productive companies grow; piling into bonds mainly props up state spending. Individual saving also lets people scale risk to their own situation instead of everyone being forced into one giant system that no one can opt out of or hedge against. Tax-advantaged accounts let people build wealth with very little bureaucracy during their lives, and if society wants redistribution, estate taxes handle that at the end instead of micromanaging everyone forever. It’s not “gambling vs being taken care of”, it’s decentralized ownership and compounding versus centralized political promises that can change whenever the math stops working.
>>61570121>government demands you work>government subjects you to shitskin immigrants, shitskin outsourcing, etc.>government subjects you to speculative bubbles, credit bubbles, etc.>government takes 15-30% of the proceeds you somehow manage to earn>government shouldn't take care of you because.... it just shouldn't, okay!!!!
>>61570672Skill issue.
>>61570081>In a proper functioning social democracy, the government would take care of youstopped reading to puke. fuck
>>61570691i make $150k a year and wfh
>>61570707Good. Don't forget to pay your taxes.Or else.
>>61570707>i make $150k a year and wfhThen you definitely wouldn't want to live in a western social democracy where the government "takes care of you".
>>61570127Lol you are a communist. Humans are forest/coastline animals, there is no government in nature and a natural human would not accept to give 50% of his income aka food to some people coming and claiming they are a "government".
>>61570140To use you and your work and taxes in mafia like fights with other governments for total world control. Get the idea that governments are for the people out of your head. It's school brainwashing and guess who owns the schools, the government.
>>61570788governments existed back then. what do you think tribal leaders were?
>>61570081Investing is the wrong word here. You mean speculate. Because of fiat niggery where savings get eaten up and you are forced to try to keep up.
>>61570672So you think an organization that does all of this to you wants to take care of you? Fucking lol. They recommend you seed oils, grain and vegetables as food so you die off when you hit retiree age.
>>61570809yes good point, i'd rather invest my money into shares of companies run by judeo-indian CEOs, and if the market crashes it's 100% my fault for investing "more than i could afford to lose" while remembering that i should paradoxically be investing 15% of more of my gross income for 40 years.
>>61570803The strongest and wishes men of the tribe. Differences: The tribe was an (extended) family, the leader would care about them. The leader would not allow "immigration" into the tribe. The leaders of all tribes would not claim all territory in the world and claim to rule over every human (overpopulation is the cause here mostly). The leader would not claim "monopoly of violence" which is just saying "we rule over you and you are not allowed to challenge that". The tribe can easily discuss things and replace leaders since it's not millions of people manipulated by media. Etc etc....
>>61570817Yes the government should care and help people here since they take so much but it clearly has no interest in it and can't be forced because of monopoly of violence.
>>61570081>In Europe, especially many European countries, the people don't even know or believe in investments, they know they will be taken care of by their pensions.Belgian here. I can't afford the groceries that I want and I don't believe there will be pensions 20 years from now. Europe is fucked
>>61570826It's the governments job to take care of my wellbeing exclusively and specifically.
>>61570839how old are you and how much do you have saved for retirement?
>>61570844Why should i save for retirement when there is abundand state money to provide for me?
>>61570857the low IQ tendency of accentuating your posts with irrelevant images right clicked saved as from /pol/ leads me to believe you're poor and retarded, yet you maintain that you are capable of providing for yourself, even in spite of a concerted effort to ruin you. >>61570672 curious.
>>61570865You don't get it.See >>61570129
