Welcome to /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.XMR payments are anonymous, low-fee, and fully fungible. Users can send and receive XMR globally without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain; the TX history of all XMR users is kept hidden, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.XMR ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.XMR's mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.XMR's tail emission - 0.6 XMR per block forever - incentivizes for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation trends to zero and is offset by coin loss.XMR has proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. XMR is also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well.If you still have questions, feel free to ask. A MoneroChad will be with you shortly.XMR Redpill: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4BUY XMR: https://monero.eco/exchanges/Crypto ATMs: https://coinatmradar.com/XMR Resources: https://monero.observer/resources/XMR Stats: https://moneroj.netUSE XMR: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://getmonero.orgMINING: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/mining/WALLETS:>DesktopOfficial GUI/CLI walletFeatherwalletStack Wallet>MobileCake WalletMonero.comStack WalletUnstoppable Monerujo (Android)Monfluo (Android)>Infodumpshttps://rentry.org/monero-explainedhttps://moneroinfodump.neocities.org Previous: >>61621013
>Is mining profitable?>Why should I mine?See: https://moneroj.net/hashvsprice/This chart shows that mining makes XMR more valuable by making the network more secure and more expensive to attack. If you have an interest in increasing the value of XMR, consider mining.>Poolshttps://miningpoolstats.stream/moneroNote: qubic.org is a malicious pool that does NOT payout in XMR.>Reddithttps://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining>CPU benchmarkshttps://xmrig.com/benchmark>Profit calculatorshttps://iwillsolo.com/monero/https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculatorNote: the hash rates on xmrig.com are more accurate>I'm rich and want a dedicated mining device Antminer X5Hashrate: 212000 H/sPower draw: 1350 WCost: ~$2800, Doesn't include shipping costsHashes per $: ~70By far the most powerful miner on the market. There's no official bitmain support for this device; you're on your own for updates/repairs>I'm poor and want a dedicated mining deviceMINISFORUM 795S7Hashrate: 19250 H/sPower draw: 142 WCost: $607 shipped Hashes per $: 32As of 2025 it's the best bang for your buck. No room for upgrades, though.>On P2PoolMining in P2Pool is easier than ever with Gupax:1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)3. Launch Gupax4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, or your own node6. Start P2Pool7. Start XMRigVIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/>DUE TO BOTNETS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!>Can I use my GPU too?Yes. MoneroOcean mines GPU-shitcoins, sells them, and pays you out in XMR. To get started, visit the help page on:https://moneroocean.stream/>IF MINING ON MONEROOCEAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING MO-XMRig TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS
Remember, the value of any currency is in it's acceptance.>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!https://monerica.com/https://xmrbazaar.com/https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on>Shop on Amazon with XMR! https://monezon.comhttps://peershop.app>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)https://cakepay.com/>or with CoinCardshttps://coincards.com/>Monero stickers for guerilla marketinghttp://monerosupplies.com/>Anonymous burner phone numbershttps://silent.link/>Monero-only VPS hostinghttps://kyun.host/>Win XMR!https://monero.vegas/>Store XMR securely!>Darknet vendors for more exotic goods and services # = recently launched, exercise caution>Alias Market #>Asur Market>Babylon #>Calypso #>Candy Haven #>Chimera Market >Cloud Market >Cypher Market>Dark Matter>DrugHub # >DrugTown #>Drugula #>FilthyFellas>Gofish Market #>Gramazon #>Hectate Market #>Mercury Market #>Pygmalion's Refuge >Retro Market >Smackers>Sonanza Market #>Squid Market>SuperMarket #>Tribe Seuss>Whales Market #>Wizard's Palace #>World Trade Center #Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNiAnonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service>Infinity Projecthttps://pastebin.com/raw/pbCycXsCor a reputable clearnet servicehttps://trocador.apphttps://orangefren.comhttps://eigenwallet.orghttps://basicswapdex.comOr retoswap, an XMR-centric fork of Bisqhttps://retoswap.com/>Want to support further development? https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/https://monerofund.org/>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/>Want more organic Monero-chan? https://www.monerochan.art/
>>61638295You guys are lucky that manipulator kike cz didn't get his hands to this coin!
>>61638319Thanks glowies :D
>>61638333Based glownigger globohomo faggotts pumping xmr indirectly kek.
Guys I need to liquidate a couple XMR for an emergency expense, can someone please fuckin help because I can’t sell it to anyone
>>61638355Ask cz! :D
>>61638355how do you want to be paid?
>>61638308thank you for your servicei am wondering for hours now, who the fuck is buying kek
>>61638319watchu talking about dood?
>>61638438Its not monero just a ticker. You cannot buy monero on nance. Luckily.
>>61638455I did, but all out of sudden, I could not withdraw.
>>61638355Swap it on Trocador for USDC or whatever other coin you want.
>>61638484are you saying... the funds were NOT safu?
SEAnigger here and I have 0.02 Moneros (Ticker: XMR) My question is, how much do i need to save to survive the you own nothing civilization?
For larger sum withdrawal, we had to get an irrecovable trust to avoid capitol gains tax of 28%. Then open a bank checkng account for the trust. We had to pay a lawyer (but thats better than paying taxes to an evil gov.) Use kraken to transfer funds into the bank. And done. Have your lawyer file annual paperwork. Island life here we come! #monero, #tothemoon, #realestate, #finance
>>61638878Can you irrevocable trust pill me
so is this a new floor or should i buy a bunch of drugs while i still can
>>61638818>0.02 Moneros$14?
>>61638918Yes, bouncing through multiple coins ate half of my money because of the fees.
I just buy long position on binance. I might need to cash out anytime and it's not much money anywayI wanted to buy xmr since $160 but it was the same problem so I kept postponing it, until I realize binance have xmr future. Still gotta switch it to real monero before they get some kinds of harsh ban or something
>>61639121Dood, they stopped withdrawals five years ago. Not your keys, not your crypto.
>>61639121Didn't binance delist XMR?
>>61639121>>61639166Because of regulation fear, binance does not have any Monero. They allow you to bet on paper Monero with futures, but they do not hold any XMR, so you cannot buy any and cannot withdraw any.
Wasn't there some post every thread some time ago, that calculated something about comparative BTC and XMR inflation rates and predicted a timeframe where XMR will play catch up?
>>61639172Yeah they said 2025-2029 will be when the chance of flipping approaches its highest and it will be 0 if it doesn't by the end of 2029 IIRC
>>61639171Yeah, I'm betting on it to keep my money value against monero. When I get a job and not have to worry about cashing out I would get monero for real.
fuck the moonboys, seriously it will ruin monero, might as well think about forking away now
>>61639364It's moneroids
Monero is done https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/why-pedersen-commitments-are-obsolete
>>61639541fuck REALLY? thats it. im selling all!
>>61639556https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo1uxIETpOI
>>61639541>When you use a Pedersen Commitment to hide the balance of a specific address/output, then that address/output has to be single-use.Funny how the stealth-addresses on Monero's chain actually are single uses to begin with.
>>61639565i want the 30 seconds of my life back that i spent skipping through this waste of bandwidththis is just an ad for a (((non-profit))) organizationonly except for airdropping shitskins into white countries this non-profit does (((audits))) of open source codei trust the paranoid libertarian cypherpunk schizo autists on xmr's github plenty to keep xmr out of the hands of the global financial system thank you very much
>>61638905Yes
>>61639610>non profitHe is the Founder of Moonstone research>Based on a 2023 Monero tracing patent filed by the founder of Moonstone Research, its Monero tracing methodology should rely on compiling lists of outputs related to a specific entity, and then monitoring transactions where related outputs appear together in rings.Moonstone Research was sold to Naxo in 2024.>The same individual is (a) funding Monero development and (b) commercially monetizing Monero’s traceability weaknesses.https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/icymi-tracelon-subscribed-to-moonstoneYou must a retard to still use Monero for privacy.
OOOOOO YEA
>>61638295Is 750 achievable? Please God
>>61639679dont carenever sellingkyscopeseethedilate
>>61639541>>61639565>>61639679Hey look, its that that fireice sperg feebly attempting to FUD the One True Coin. Slow day on the ZEC subreddit again, huh?
>>61639679shut up fireice_uk
>>61639679RingCT are in the trash with fmcp right?
>>61639755He'll keep reposting this FUD even once the FMCP++ fork is done.
>>61639733Sure, keep donating to Chainalysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkIKCe4EtEs
kek, it's literally the fireice fag
>>61639679What do you think about the FCMP++? Does it fix the issue?
>>61639767Maybe I'm out of the loop but I thought Justin (Samsung galaxy player) was good for the community ?Finding out what makes monero weak, IMO, only makes it stronger. Any other crypto crew would perma ban you from discussion for even bringing up a weakness
>>61639804Yeah, it does. But this is a well known faggot ZEC shill who will post his favorite links, ignoring that they don't even support what he claims, and say that Monero privacy is broken and everyone needs to buy ZEC instead.
>>61639755>RingCT are in the trash with fmcp right?Ring signatures are history soon, yes. This takes away the last valid advantage ZEC has over XMR. Expect the Z-trannies to then pivot towards a "compliance is king" marketing strategy that emphasizes how acceptable ZEC is to governments and regulators, with the implication that Monero is doomed because it makes glowies seethe.
>>61639799FCMP is cope, it's likely never going to happen. There is not even a test wallet for it yet.>Does it fix the issue?Nope https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/why-fcmp-doesnt-fix-monero
>>61639784analyze DEEZ NUTSmonero is literally weapons grade autism manifested into math and cryptographythe only way monero "fails" is if an even more antisemitic crypto comes into existenceglowniggers and kikes will seethe eternallythis is one thing out of their control
>>61639832>FCMP is cope, it's likely never going to happenOh you poor lil thing.
>>61639832>They totally poisoned all the transactions bro>They invested millions just to never use it against anybody so far
>>61639846Come back when they have a wallet that can send xmr to fcmp. Probably never.
>>61639880FCMP = vaporware confirmed. It's truly over this time.
>>61639832i just noticedyou used the spiderman glasses meme backwards you idiotthe glasses fuck up his vision because does not need vision correction anymorethe "wrong" view should be with him holding his glasses to his face and the "seeing things clearly" should be when he removes the glassesretard
>>61639832brainlet here, i copy pasted the article into chatgpt and it said the technical precision needed "a lot of work"
>>61638295Trips and I’ll chop my cock off
>>61639713Anon, you're not praying the proper being.
>>61640030>>61639943Kek
>>61640030Sure desu
bought a bunch of xmr in 2021 and completely forgot about it. worth selling to take a profit? obviously I'll fully pay taxes.
https://solana.com/privacyhack:)
>>61640071i'm no genius but i think only monero practically is trying to solve metadata/ip leakage, no? saying that things like timing attacks still are possible is true for all alternatives aswell, like zcash?its like arguing that something isn't perfect, even though it's by far the best we've got
What happened now?
>>61640139In Monero metadata leakage is actually worse compared to Zcash because of Dandelion https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/moneros-dandelion-was-it-an-upgrade
I need to sell stuff to buy more fractional Moneros because the price isn't yet the same as etherium or bit coin
>>61638980>you only have $14?>"yeah man, I mean, had a whole $28, but fees ate half of it"I lol'd
>>6164017577% of zcash are unshielded.
>>61640071>Metadata What metadata has been successfully used already to deanonymize XMR users?>HeuristicsSee above, however, also note that XMR already did some work to reduce the amount of possible heuristics attacks and so would be off-chain.
so, why are we pumping so hard?
>>61638295This shit is beginning to get real obnoxious, herbs.
I want to fuck that monero slut
Serai(soon™) has started its audit! >Our blockchain, used to select validators and order swaps, has had its audit process kicked off! Over the next two months, we look forward to a comprehensive review performed by SRLabs, experts at auditing projects which make use of the Substrate SDK>https://x.com/SeraiDEX/status/2011438186967466459
>>61640267
>>61638410Pic rel
>>61640267>>61640320
the final solution to the taxman question
>>61640071Metadata leakage is largely irrelevant for a coin that is well on its way to being universally delisted from CEXs. DEXs are where its at moving forward. No KYC + darknet-routed trading = nothing to go on. The critical transaction data (spending output, amount, receiving address) is not subject to chain analysis, which is what matters most. You're desperately grasping at straws trying to make muh metadata seem way more significant than it really is.Meanwhile, most ZEC still remains in the transparent pool and the sender IP address continues leaking by default. Not to mention Zcash continues having zero street cred and an absolutely abysmal reputation within relevant privacy circles.
We have now reached the price target of the cup and handle on the week chart ($740). Do what you want with this information...
>>61640607I dont follow the TA horoscope, what does this imply?
>>61640668it means if you sell it will pump, and if you hold, it will dump
>>61640438>muh buzzwordsexplain for retards
>>61640668Means TA adherents might start to take profits (sell). Not really sure how many TA people actually trade XMR though.
$1000 waiting room
IT JUST KEEPS GOING
>>61640708the final solution broand the taxman question aka evading taxes in minecraft?monero is financial privacy,and privacy is paramount to a free future
>>616407321k eow
>>61640479>being universally delisted from CEXsDid you read this article? https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/moneros-dandelion-was-it-an-upgrade>No KYC + darknet-routed trading = nothing to go onDandelion is your source of metadata leakage because your transaction are broadcast directly to Chainalysis nodes which collect all your metadata>The critical transaction dataThe critical transaction data is any data that can expose a transaction as formed by a specific entity. It can be an IP, or fee, or UTXO structure,>receiving addressEven after FCMP your receiving address will still be tied to your transaction ID onchain>sender IP address continues leaking by defaultZEC's network privacy is still better than having Dandelion that sends your transactions straight to Chainalysis nodes.
This pump is pissing me off!
>>61640800>ZEC's network privacy is still better77% of ZEC is unshielded
does anyone else use kraken? is kraken to cake wallet the method?been keeping an eye since the $300s and now im realizing i should've taken the riskwould lose coin virginity
>>61640820>network privacy100% of Monero's p2p transactions go through Chainalysis nodes.
>>61640837Moneo has the gretest number of self hosted nodes per mcap of any crypto. You will never be a woman
>>61640821I use kraken, its so easy but I also use retoswap>>61640800Oh no, muh IP address. If only there was some magical way to hide that! I guess monero is dead
who the fuck is buying
>>61640800>>61640837(((Chainalysis))) loves Ztrash, retarded faggot.>Dash and Zcash allow users to conduct transactions with greater privacy, but that doesn’t mean they provide total anonymity. The two cryptocurrencies’ privacy features — both in how they’re built as well as how they’re used in the real world — leave room for government agencies, law enforcement investigators, and compliance professionals to investigate suspicious or illicit activity and maintain compliance. With Chainalysis product’s support, cryptocurrency exchanges and businesses are now able to incorporate Dash and Zcash into their compliance programs.https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/introducing-investigations-compliance-support-for-privacy-coins/
>>61640800lol techleaks is seething today. >erm ackshully your transaction only goes to chainalysis nodesThat doesn't make sense and has no citation. He literally made it up and assumes it is true. We know of spy nodes attacking Monero, as they are observable (see monerokon presentation on it) but any type of clearnet node infrastructure can be attacked by creating many spy nodes and spamming the network. This would impact virtually any cryptocurrency because cryptocurrency peer-to-peer usage is majority on the clear net.The idea that dandelion ++, which was created to minimize exactly this this type of metadata leakage, was therefore created to cause damage to the Monero network is so laughably retarded. Nobody is saying transactions on the clearnet connecting to remote nodes is "safe" or that dandelion++ is perfect, but this is another example where Monero is constantly under attack and the haters point to the fact that Monero is under attack as proof that it doesn't work...even though literally every privacy tool can be attacked lol.
>>61640479>Zcash continues having zero street credlol yeah that's what I care about. whether my shitcoin has "street cred".
I might be proven wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but I think people buying now might be about to become baggies for quite a few years.
>some retard who definitely isn't a d*ro shill is citing FUD from techleaks24Not buying your bags faggot
>>61639739is fireice still active?the saltiness and (((seething))) makes me more bullish
>>61640932Yeah, he has been posting Monero FUD on the ZCash sub and banning people who disagree lately.
It's still going.
>>61640800Grasping At Straws: The Post.
>>61640907>lol yeah that's what I care about. whether my shitcoin has "street cred".Street cred directly impacts which privacy tech gets the seal of approval by highly influential opsec gurus. Which in turn, determines what becomes the industry standard.
>>61640960Very tempting to sell a quarter of my stack for BTC and buy back in later.
>>61640997Quite risky.
This price action is unnatural. There's definitely something going on that we don't know about. Maybe a nation state is buying or something similar. It seems that the buying is forced (by necessity) rather than by choice, because no good investor would still be buying this chart right now.
>>61641006True. These wicks are massive.
should i buy a monero coin? ive never bought any coins before, young and want to make money this yearsure if this keeps going i can make 300 bucks or something by the end of this week but when thenit will stop at one point, do i just hold and wait 5-10 years for this to happen again?
>>61640997Wait until it starts dumping before selling anything. We still don't even know why it's pumping this hard.
>>61641086Probably exchanges fucked around for 7 years and are now finding out.
i won't sell because it's too difficult (eu). bought when it was still listed on binance. i'll hold until 0 or true paradigm shift.
>>61641085you were supposed to buy over the last few years,anondon't buy the top
>>61641147>i won't sell because it's too difficult (eu)Just swap for BTC. I'll never sell for money
>>61641230>he thinks under $10k is the “top”
we are so fucking back
It could be the evil work of BRICS.
>>61641248>posting your stack
>>61641085>>61641230i got kraken and cake wallet all setup, now its just whather i got the balls to buy a whole monero now or neverhow much would be a worthy investment if not a whole coin?this is keeping me up at night, not sure whether to just start with SAL or get on this train
>>61641282big boys do what they want
>>61641241
>>61638355https://www.wagyu.xyz/
wall at 800
guys its not stopping yet
>>61641457I’m terrible with money but I specifically bought a few XMR a few years ago and this makes me smile.
>>61641288my card got declined twiceis this a sign not to buy?DO I BUY?? ILL LINK MY BANK
so story goes like that, i came back from Uni i found some weed in my room smoked it and bought 1,5 monero bruh
OOOOOOOOO
>>61641506If you buy it'll dump. If you don't it'll keep pumping. Sorry, but that's the rules.
>>61640898Did you read this? https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/moneros-dandelion-was-it-an-upgrade>>The process through which that first node is picked is crucial. The narrative is that Dandelion picks a random node, but in practice that’s not the case. Stem phase peers come from a subset of healthy and connected nodes. Healthy here is defined through parameters such as good historical uptime and low latency.>>Chainalysis and its partners could therefore set up a network of high performing nodes, with low latency and high uptime, ensuring they have very high odds of being picked as first nodes by Monero. This would give them all relevant onchain metadata even for transactions of users running their own node.Dandelion turns the entire Monero network into a CEX of sorts that reports all transaction metadata to Chainalysis EVEN IF you run your node. >but any type of clearnet node infrastructure can be attacked by creating many spy nodesThanks to Dandelion, you don't even need to Sybil attack Monero, a few high performing nodes will get all the first hops thanks to Dandelion
>>61641457imagine looking at that candle and not taking some profit
>>61641546bitch please$1500 by valentines dayscreencap this
whoisbuying
>>6164154377% of zcash is unshielded
>>61641543> a few high performing nodes will get all the first hops thanks to Dandelionand yet again, you are jumping to this conclusion without any actual citation of how dandelion works. literal retard.
>>61641506if you have none at all you need to buy as quickly as possible. this thing is going to 50B marketcap by EOY.
>>61641543dandelions means it's spring and summer is coming!!
>>61641546retoswap dealers gotta be jizzing everywherebig ass trades happening the last few days
>>61641606my account got restricted after i tried to buy using my bank account on kraken, my debit card failed twice before thatwhat the fuck manim trying heresent a request through email hopefully i get back soon, this is fucked, im on the edge of my seat right now, i was so fucking close to holding a whole monero in my hand, my first one at that
>>61641623get some solar panels and mine your monero
>>61641588everyone
>>61639832Monero's transaction count hasn't grown 100x. Dusting attacks are very detectable and we've seen them try (and fail) dusting on Monero before at considerable costs.https://mitchellpkt.medium.com/fingerprinting-a-flood-forensic-statistical-analysis-of-the-mid-2021-monero-transaction-volume-a19cbf41ce60
>>61641600>and yet again, you are jumping to this conclusion without any actual citation of how dandelion worksread the article, it explains how Dandelion works https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/moneros-dandelion-was-it-an-upgrade
>>61641650>>61641623whats the alternative way to kraken, is there anything thats that easy that i could send to cake wallet?
>>61641563
>>61641683kucoin?if you already have crypto you can swap at https://www.wagyu.xyz/also why cake wallet? why not feather wallet?
>>61641683Trocador or just buy off cakewallet
>>61641623nigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.buy buttcoin on jeetnance or whatever.2.get stack wallet or whatno3.go to exolix.com4.buy monero with buttcoin and get ur adress from da stack5.goon
if you were to hypothetically cash out XMR by converting it into another coin and then selling would there be a risk of your funds getting frozen? how do you even explain that your money came from some opaque privacy coin? Do they even care? Is it still an AML/KYC issue if you're paying taxes on it and you're not a criminal?Talking like a 6 fig or higher amount
I don't think it's done. Shakeout at $800 and they're going to refuel after the dip.
>>61641795what's holding it back are eurotrash (myself included) as its banned here or some shit. wanted to buy some in the summer but stayed in normalcattle shitcoins like eth for muh easy profit access and yeah. I think more people will want to buy it though, it has lower market cap than fucking dogeshitcoin which should be killed and burried
>>61641765Just hold xmr forever and spend it later.We're heading into a world where these coins can be used to buy anything you want online (except real-estate(maybe)).
>>61641765just swapped $20 to ltc and got aml block on cnd exchange .
>>61641816>its bannedgovernments lie, abuse, and commit fraud as their defaultand have the gall to ban an honest, private, and secure form of value interchangethese fuckers need to die
>>61641675I did read the article. It erroneously jumped to the a conclusion that "industrial survellance nodes" would have an advantage over regular nodes based on absolutely nothing other than the hopes and dreams of the dero bagholder.Read this (a technical overview of a spy node attack on Bitcoin and how the developer argues dandelion would be an improvement) https://b10c.me/observations/06-linkinglion/That same entity, or a similar one, is attacking Monero right now but Dandelion ++ has been very successful at thwarting it.You even linked the chainanalys slides here where during the 30 minute presentation, the presenter says dandelion ++ works. >>61639784
>>61641816To best of my knowledge it is legal. Just banned from CECXes selling.I think it is still legal p2p and/or dex.double check on that.
>>61641865>erroneously jumped to the a conclusionYou're asking for proof that Dandelion is being exploited. That's beside the point. The analysis shows that Dandelion can be easily exploited with a relatively small number nodes that signal high connectedness. If it introduces an attack vector that compromises the entire network, and gets approved, then the network has been compromised. >That same entity, or a similar one, is attacking Monero right nowHow do you know that? That's hopium for Monero bagholders>Dandelion has been very successful at thwarting it. Based on what? Lol. This is just bagholder hopium meant to gaslight XMR users into ignoring Dandelion's surveillance facilitating capabilities.
>>61641860>>61641869its not available on the cexes not banned per se yuh, buuuut if its not on the cexes normalcattle fears it.
>>61641622>3.348btc for 450.46 xmr
Just to remind everyone that we've been here before (sort of) and to exercise caution.We went from $469 (2018) back to $28 (2020), then we went from $519 (2021) back to $98 (2022).Yes, this time is different because it's much more difficult to sell XMR than it used to be, but that really depends on where you live, and there's no guarantee that these big buyers will have that problem.
That's it, we are going down
>>61641725HyperFagyu
>>61642031https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG-vLZrb-g
>>61641932Why is it hopium when chainalysis says dandelion works but not hopium when techleaks says it doesn't?Hard mode: don't mention financial incentives, since both parties clearly have them
>>61641932>The analysis shows that Dandelion can be easily exploited with a relatively small number nodes that signal high connectedness. if by analysis you mean "literally made up bull shit with no citation". It's no wonder this poorly written article you link doesn't site the dandelion white paper once or provide any of their own actual technical analysis other than three sentences claiming that industrial surveillance nodes are more likely to get transactions. Why not run some tests to prove this right? Probably because you'd rather spread baseless fud>How do you know that? That's hopium for Monero bagholdersbecause the IP addresses are literally the samegithub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1124here is the monerokon presentation which features and explanation of these similar attacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LBKOn81rc>Based on what? Lol. This is just bagholder hopium meant to gaslight XMR users into ignoring Dandelion's surveillance facilitating capabilitiesname me a single example of your attack vector on dandelion leading to someone being arrested. And while we are at it, why are ignoring the fact that in the presentation you posted above the guy said dandelion ++ worked?
It's over.
>>61640982that's now how it works.
Why is XMR pumping NOW? War?
>>61642086It's probably gonna stabilise at some price sometime, just means I'll be able to stack more for when it eventually does moon into 5 figs. BTC had a similar thing when silk road went down and went to the thousands, went down and stabilised for a while before going to mental heights
>>61642128We don't know unfortunately.
>>61642085>no citationTechleaks explanation is the citation. DYOR research on how Dandelion works to verify it>Why not run some tests to prove this right?Why run tests when there are a dozen Monero tracing cases post-Dandelion where IPs played a key role?>spread baseless fudWatch this video from the Chainalysis presentation to the IRS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkIKCe4EtEs All outputs shown in this video, which were created after the implementation of Dandelion, have an IP next to them. How would that be possible if Dandelion was mitigating the issue?>because the IP addresses are literally the same https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1124Are you saying an attacker like Chainalysis wouldn't bother to change IP addresses? Are "ban lists" your proof? That's the most retarded argument ever >name me a single example of your attack vector on dandelionRead the article and check the leaked video that shows the internal Monero explorer used by Chainalysis where every output has an IP tied to it (after Dandelion).
This FUDder is so embarrassing.
>>61642128The only reasonable speculation is the january 11th Tether freezing (source: https://www.theblock.co/post/385051/tether-freezes-182-million-usdt ), so it was argued, with no real evidence, that some chinese darkweb market got busted, and now they are freezing those accounts/funds. To save some (most?) of the money, they are converting it into XMR, but this is 100 % speculation with 0 evidence, but it is something that sounds plausible. Just gotta wait for some more info.
>>61642226>Techleaks explanation is the citation.yeah, three sentences with literally no simulated tests or any sort of math is the explanation. This FUD is like nectar for retard bagholders like you. >Why run tests when there are a dozen Monero tracing cases post-Dandelion where IPs played a key role?The chainanalysis presentation you linked -- where they literally say Dandelion ++ works in the full presentation making this demonstration not feasible -- is using IP addresses that feds gave them, which were linked to KYC exchanges that later went to coinswap services. These IP addresses then connected to an RPC node that was taken over by a chainanalysis company who bought the old domain. It has absolutely nothing to do with the article you listed, and the fact that you don't understand this is frankly hilarious. >are you saying an attacker like Chainalysis wouldn't bother to change IP addresses? Are "ban lists" your proof? That's the most retarded argument everYeah. The IP addresses are literally identical in certain cases. Why would an identical ip address not be the same entity?
>Zec collapse>we just don't know where they're coming from...
>>61642323>is using IP addresses that feds gave themNo, watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkIKCe4EtEs the Fed gave them a few IPs known to be associated with the hacker. I'm speaking of all the other IPs you see in the explorer next to every single output (no exceptions).>which were linked to KYC exchanges that later went to coinswap services.Watch the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkIKCe4EtEsIt shows 4 hops the hacker does on a non custodial wallet, he doesn't go through any CEX or custodial party. He uses a VPN for 3 hops, they identify his VPN IP as well. Then in the 4th hop he slips up and uses a residential IP when broadcasting his transaction.Everyone keeps saying he didn't use his own node, there is no proof of that though. All we know is that his IP was intercepted 4 times out of 4 and that every single output shown in the explorer throughout the presentation has an IP tied to them. Are you saying Dandelion works so well that Chainalysis knows the IPs of 100% of transactions? Get a grip
>Why would an identical ip address not be the same entitywhat is a vpn and how can a website tell youre using one?
>Is dumping rn>Security problemsSo is Over Monerobros?
I would hop on the monero train but I'm in the EU>it's over
>>61642422so what's the problemI'm from Poland and bought and used some Monero for the past 3 yearsBut I sold when it hit like $400 unfortunately :(
>>61642432>sell monero>oh right every exchange delisted it>swap between other coins>finance minister asks "where does that income come from">me pic related>sends me to jail
>XMR pumping>silver pumping>gold pumpingMaybe we'll make it after all
>>61642422What's stopping you from using P2P sites to buy BTC or LTC and swapping it for XMR?
>>61642396fucking lol, you don't even understand my posts or the video you keep citing.they know the IP address because they are running a corrupted RPC node you fucking retard. when you run a node like this you can see clearnet ip addresses. The proof that they know his IP is because the criminal is connecting directly to their node to send transactions AND they were given his IP from feds who know about his metadata.How about you post the entire presentation where they mention dandelion ++ works well and makes this much more difficult to prove.>>61642401because they aren't ip addresses from vpn services you retard. read the links I posted.
>>61642456I sold it on KuCoin half a year agoIt may be delisted on some platforms but it's perfectly legalJust pay your taxes and that's it
>>61642432%%KOMPROMITACJA CWELA%%kek
>>61642254Reminds me of the trolls/shills trying to discredit and discourage semen retention on /x/
>>61642485how do i tell my country's "IRS" where my income came from?>>61642490i am gonna get fucked holding xmr for a longer period of time is all i am saying with the EU's regulatory laws
>>61642544Just tell them what you did?
>>61642547they are outlawing XMR>The EU's Anti-Money Laundering Regulation (AMLR), effective from July 1, 2027, will significantly restrict privacy coins like Monero (XMR) by banning anonymous crypto accounts and services, requiring full identity verification for crypto transfers, and imposing strict AML/KYC rules on Crypto Asset Service Providers (CASPs) to combat illicit finance.
>>61642560okay so they are banning anonymous crypto services, not Moneroif you buy and sell Monero with KYC it's legal
>>61642577Defeats the purpose, compliance cuck.
>>61642595I'm just telling him how to do it legally
>>61642487>they know the IP address because they are running a corrupted RPC node you fucking retard.How do you know this? All we know is that they got his IP every single hop, and the IP of all other outputs (even decoys)>How about you post the entire presentation where they mention dandelion ++ works well and makes this much more difficult to prove.Your source being the Chainalysis employee that is pitching XMR tracing to the IRS? >because they aren't ip addresses from vpn services you retardHow do you know they're not VPN IP addresses? Those are just IP addresses from which each of those outputs was broadcast, they can record them because Dandelion intercepts all the first hopsBtw, do you think Chainalysis has no access to VPN logs when tracing someone wanted by Interpol?
>>61642560>>The EU's Anti-Money Laundering Regulation (AMLR), effective from July 1, 2027, will significantly restrict privacy coins like Monero (XMR) by banning anonymous crypto accounts and services, requiring full identity verification for crypto transfers, and imposing strict AML/KYC rules on Crypto Asset Service Providers (CASPs) to combat illicit finance.This is for service providers, not individuals.
https://decrypt.co/248728/monero-expert-fact-checks-chainalysis-video-claiming-xmr-transactions-can-be-traced>“Long story short, this strategy doesn't compromise on-chain privacy for users who avoid these fake nodes or use Tor,” Brimer told Decrypt in a statement. “In essence, protecting your IP address is key, as that's primarily what they can obtain.”>She added: “Without IP, they have nothing.”
>>61642902>protecting your IP>DandelionYou can't protect your IP even if you use your own node because Dandelion sends all the first hops to Chainalysis nodes>BrimerShe is a PR agent who knows nothing about the tech lol>this strategy doesn't compromise on-chain privacyWatch this, onchain privacy has been compromised as well since they can trace transactions indefinitely hop after hop even if the IP has been hidden (like in the first 3 hops in this video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkIKCe4EtEs
>>61642788>How do you know thisare you even watching the videos you are sending me. They know the ip address, BECAUSE THE TARGETS CONNECTED TO THEM TO SEND TRANSACTIONS AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SPREADSHEET OF IDS THAT ARE FLAGGED FROM FEDS.They don't have an IP of "all the other outputs". They have an IP related to the poisoned output and when that appears in a ring signature with a connection related to a flagged IP it draws a concern but ONLY IF they are connected to a hostile rpc node run by chain analysis.THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DANDELION ++. I know you don't understand any of this because you are retarded, but I am explaining it for the lurkers. >Your source being the Chainalysis employee that is pitching XMR tracing to the IRS?yeah, the exact same source you are using lmao>How do you know they're not VPN IP addressesread the bitcoin dev analysis I posted. They register their ips. Fuckng retard. >Btw, do you think Chainalysis has no access to VPN logs when tracing someone wanted by Interpol?They probably would in escalated cases and I haven't said otherwise.But that has nothing to do with your original claims about dandelion ++Which by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with any of the answers I am giving you.That's why I call you retarded. You don't know what you are talking about at all. How big are your dero bags lmao.
how does a fucking dog coin have a higher market cap
>>61643213Because nothing is real and most people are fucking stupid
>>61643006>They don't have an IP of "all the other outputs".Are you retarded? That's ok because I specialize in communicating with retards. Please see attached image, Chainalysis has the IP of all outputs created in transactions where hacker's outputs appeared among input ring members>They have an IP related to the poisoned outputNot only, they have the IPs of all transactions where the poisoned output appeared, even those where the poisoned output appeared as decoy.Each of those transactions is formed by a separate user, and CA consistently gets the IP for every single one, hope after hop.>THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DANDELION ++If Dandelion worked, how are they able to get the IP of every single transaction, even from random users? Every transaction where the target output appears as decoy is formed by a random user in the network for whom the decoy picking algo picked that output as decoy. CA has the IPs of all those transactions>yeah, the exact same source you are using lmaoCsilla Brimer and Chainalysis employees are your sources for proving that Monero is not traceable, not mine. >read the bitcoin dev analysis I posted. They register their ips. Fuckng retard.The "report" only says that some entity somewhere is trying to intercept Monero transaction IPs the same way they try to do with BTC, how do you know this entity is Chainalysis? It could be any idiot like you trying to collect data to resell to Chainalysis. There is an entire surveillance market underground out there.>nothing to do with your original claims about dandelion ++It does, because Dandelion allows Chainalysis to collect the IP of every single transaction in the network, because it sends all first hops to Chainalysis nodes.This allows CA to collect the IPs of all transaction, even if you use your own node. If they're VPN IPs they get the real IP from VPN logs. If it's a residential IP they get a hit right away.
>>61643287you literally don't understand how any of this works. the fact that you still won't admit that during the presentation, the one you keep citing with images and youtube links, literally mentions dandelion ++ works is fucking hilarious.poo in the loo.
>>61643414You still don't understand this https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/moneros-dandelion-was-it-an-upgrade>literally mentions dandelion++ worksYes, it works for Chainalysis. As you can see in the slides it allows them to get the IP of all network transactions. They no longer need CEXes to report them, lol.
>>61643213That is exactly why Monero will do a 10X and maybe even flip Bitcoin one day.
So is monero compromised or not? From what im gathering here, it has a problem of glowies running nodes to get peoples ip, similar situation to TOR.... ?
>>61643489It's literally just one nigga saying all this, fireice_uk, he obsesses over any discussions of monero. Big zcash shill
>>61643489>glowies running nodesChainalysis runs the entire protocol, not glowies. Glowies pay and sign an NDA every time they use CA's Monero tracing services.>So is monero compromisedThe protocol was compromised when they introduced Dandelion. You can run your node all you want, once you broadcast a transaction it goes straight from your node to a Chainalysis node even if there are 100k user nodes in the network. Because CA nodes always have lower latency and higher uptime than user nodes, and they also boost each other's scores, Dandelion always feeds the first hop to them.With Dandelion even ZEC's shielded transactions would become completely transparent since you can trace the first hop which is all that matters.That's why after Dandelion delistings started, because they no longer needed CEXes. Also why after Dandelion they spun up the FCMP narrative, because they get all the metadata straight into their nodes so can easily trace even FCMP (if it ever happens).Read this https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/moneros-dandelion-was-it-an-upgradeWatch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkIKCe4EtEs
Just stop responding to the FUDer, he's not gonna become less retarded, no matter how much you argue.
>>61642946>Dandelion sends all the first hops to Chainalysis nodesTrust me, bro.
>>61643489>So is monero compromised or not? From what im gathering here, it has a problem of glowies running nodes to get peoples ip, similar situation to TOR.... ?See >>61639739This faggot is legit mentally ill and fixated on discrediting Monero by any means necessary, including literally making shit up. Which is what he's doing in this thread. If Monero was actually compromised in any way you'd see an epic exodus starting with DNMs. But the exact opposite is happening, most new DNMs are now Monero-only.
>>61643732I wish monero market cap would be that of buttcoin but let’s be realistic. It will probably settle tops at 2-3k$ God knows how long from now. Normalcattle won’t buy it because it’s not listed on cexes. Fucking retards on here don’t even know how to buy it which imho is hilarious given the fact they use imageboards but yeah it’s not 2010s or 2000s anymore. People are fucking dumb.
normoids figured out how to buy fake IDs and dudeweed with bitcoin in 2010, they can figure out how to do exactly the same thing with XMR especially if chatgpt tells them how
>>61643489The fact that this retard failed to answer >>61642077Should tell you everything you need to know.
>>61643287>>61643453>>61643489*destroys chanalcysts*
>>61643213because fuck this (((dystopia)))
>>61643287>>61643453>trust (((us))) guys! we really have the real ips of real flesh and bones users! you better stop using your illegal online internet money now, since we totally compromised it! please stop using monero! it totally doesn't work!! stop using it!
>>61640800>Did you read this article?No. You niggers talk to much. Just watch the movie.Also >>61641725You're a giant faggot.
>>61643599>Glowies pay and sign an NDA every time they use CA's Monero tracing services.Source?
