Will be financially irrelevant after 2030 and only increase with inflation if not by a basically linear amount every year. It also won't even be volatile anymore and won't make you as much money as gold either.The only play is any alts that pump with these biannual cycles which there may be 2 to 6 more of. It's all just frequencies and mcaps and shit. Anyway, there's no reason for Bitcoin value to actually go hyperbolic, and the volume of gold trading will just suppress it like as happens also with silver for forever.
Basically Bitcoin will be no less than 200k and no more than 300k by 2030 and be irrelevant by then because every exchange you can buy it on will charge a greater fee than what you get just riding it while it beats inflation by 2 to 3X which is when gold could as well be better anyway. It'll probably always do better than inflation but also losing coins won't change anything anymore besides giving negative press. Miners will something something but enough institutions will buy it. Pretty boring. There won't be another bear. Ever.
Bitcoin will crab along with the rest of the nasdaq and most alts are dead.Crypto companies and instruments favored by the MiC and tech will pump. /biz/ doesn't know what this is because /biz/ is literally retarded.
>>61638642>>61638663hmmmmm nah you're big retarded and I'll just ignore and forget all the words I just read. Only queers doublepost get it together grow a brain gg you gorilla monkey ape child.
The core value proposition of Bitcoin is trust, but why would you trust state level funds to a computer? Someone would have to invest in underground bunkers and make a separate wallet device that's physically air gapped etc and holds no more than 1billion each. Like buying all the swiss bunkers and putting a giant typewriter that prints in metal morse code the secret blah blah blah. Or otherwise you just don't trust banks anyway.
That's like .1% of the value to keep it secure. But also then you have to talk to those weirdos.
It'd be interesting to talk about the stable eventual value of gold in relatively poor country person work hours. It's probably already at that final steady state. The value will go up a lot but along with the productivity of the world's poorest people up to a max of 10 dollars an hour about. At that time gold will be worth like 15k an ounce. So my lifetime prediction for gold is 15k in today's currency value. Basically gold will only be worth 3 or 4 times more than what it is right now before it also only keeps with inflation. And this will be in like 20 to 40 years. So nominal price will be 2 to 3 times more on top of that. So about 5x3x2.5 is like 40k an ounce or whatever. Before it's just ridiculous to walk around with any because a small coin could buy a car.
Are there any questions?Okay. Thought not. Well that is all. Gday.
>>61638642>>61638663>>61638681>>61638685>>61638736Thanks for sharing, rare quality /biz/ post, still reading
I agree the cycle shit is over and no bear, but I still wonder if they manipulate the price to liquidate sailor first. That’s one concern, only have 0.16 BTC and think about selling the slop every day, 9.4 oz gold and 360 silver. Got mostly Stinkies and 6 ETH for crypto. Disagree about gold, I’m confident BTC and ETH will go up cause Cheeto niggers heavily Invested along with his jew cabinet, but I’m only hoping to cash out for land and a homestead and be self sufficient. I know it’s a trap and on ramp to our digital prison in the near future, but I’m gonna get my multi bag, exit, and never look back and disconnect from society and the internet and the to my land and animals. I also think bitcoin will be crashed before 2030 to really wipe people out
>>61638780I would short paper silver and use a quarter to half your stack as the collateral.If it makes you money then buy Bitcoin with it and wait 3 to 4 years. After that sell it for ranch land and greenhouses to do gardens in. Don't wait until after 2030 to start farming fren even if you don't move there permanent yet.Thank me later.
I should mention I would only expect this advice to net 8 to 20k dollars for you.
>>61638780In what way do you disagree about gold though? Think I'm under or over? It could be under but I believe people will invest excess infrastructure or other value in those asset classes directly and not gold. It fucks up too many labor dynamics otherwise.
>>61638792Oh trust me, if it were up to me I’d have my land and house I’d be building my coop by now but baby 2 comes April so postponing settling down but hopefully by winter. And I’ve never done options, derivatives and futures are very Jewish. I’m not sure what you mean about using the stack as collateral. I have the money for BTC now to add to our stack, I just have concerns and don’t wanna risk all our money for down payment.. but like I said I’ve been contemplating selling out of principle.
>>61638820Your timeline. I think it’s 10k before 2030. I almost bought my tenth ounce but I held out cause I wasn’t sure if I could do better in the short term. Just feel like something is going to pop literally any possible moment now that’s going to change everything (weeks where decades happpen) . So also why I’m leaning towards the physical and want to at least have as much invested into PMs as I do with crypto. Was considering monero
>>61638820But I know how little time I have, my wife made a lot of money this year so it’s why I’ve been able to invest ~100k this year alone and I just wanna hit one thing big to exit the system
>>61638825Collateral has to be posted to go short anything or you get contractually liquidated. This can happen anytime the value of paying back a short on an asset that went long exceeds your collateral and it can happen in a literal instant. Basically in big brain math speak I was saying that silver will definitely not double and will likely halve in value and you could make like up to 5k off riding it back to like 40 an ounce with say 90ounces. The good thing is you have more silver so you'd always be able to sell some of it to cover the shorts going negative anyway. I know all of that is gay but I wasn't gonna give advice a brainlet would feel they understood. Bitcoin is alright still because the gold market will likely cool off. Only dollar debasement could prop the price up much further. Buying Bitcoin supposedly would cover that possibility too anyway. Really right now what you ought to consider is figuring out how to make side hustle income because that's the main thing you actually do on a homestead. Like plant a garden but try to be super cheap about it like using pet droppings or a goat as fertilizer and image scaling everything up to taking about 4 hours a day in mid spring to mid fall.
>>61638864>i know all of that is gay but I wasn't gonna give advice a brainlet would feel they understoodKek. I’m not a brainlet, I have no background in options or leverage trading. So you could call me an options brainlet, but the grooves of my sulci cut deeper than the Grand Canyon. > Really right now what you ought to consider is figuring out how to make side hustle income because that's the main thing you actually do on a homestead. Like plant a garden but try to be super cheap about it like using pet droppings or a goat as fertilizer and image scaling everything up to taking about 4 hours a day in mid spring to mid fall.I’m probably going to take a 3 month travel assignment while we’re northeast having the second baby, but got my sole prop a month ago to pursue that avenue because I’d rather be self employed, jaded with my career path after the jew flu. I don’t think silvers going to crash like you, I think we’re at 100 by end of month, I’d say end of week but the tariff overturn may shake shit up in the short term
>>61638881You don't get it. Silver has a low stf so it always goes back down. Sure say it rides to 100 or even 150. You still wouldn't know when to sell and probably would ride it all the way back down below your break even which I'll assume is north of 60 dollars already.
>>61638891Buddy, I guess we think we’re at two different stages. I’m of the believe the US dollar in its cash form, will be gone before 2028. Trumps whole plan is to accelerate the debasement and usher in the digital age of surveillance. And for the record, I was considering selling little portions off once 50:1 gsr and continue to do that, but it would only be to convert to gold to preserve our purchasing power for our homestead. Just don’t wanna be in fiat, and selling silver into fiat for “profit” is retarded with where we are on the timeline
>>61638912And by trumps whole plan, I mean chabad talmudists who run this world
>>61638914That's mostly a myth about schizophrenia. There are schizo Jews who believe in a crossover of Zoroastrianism and Judaism and they as individuals these days mostly just get meds and lithium. But strongman meme presidents are a threat to the world's sanity too so.>>61638912Yeah so if you sold it the cash is just to buy farming stuff like I said so..Starter junk. Ranch land is like 2k an acre and you just want like goats and a dairy cow and some chickens and then a veggie garden and a few outdoor plots of root plants onions carrots potatoes basically. All you need to feed a family. Costs maybe 30k all told.
But seriously on the silver don't wait on it if we do hit like 100 120. Sell for gold or whatever.
>>61638642>>61638681>>61638685You're a brainlet who thinks he's smart. You're gonna rope when bitcoin becomes an 8 figure asset by 2045. Good luck out there.
>>61638950they just don't understand about tech, anon. They think AI is a magic box that one day will have feelings, there are some IT guys here but most of people here just don't know how 80% of the things they invest works...It doesn't mean you NEED to know it, but hey, if you know how most of your car works, you can "save" some money and mechanics can't scam you, right?
>>61638929There’s most certainly a small group of Jewish Kabbalists that are ushering in the one world government and noahide laws. I’m not really going to argue about it either, but if you’re interested in digging further, you can start by looking into the man whose grave this is and the significance of it. >Ranch land is like 2k an acreBuddy, you aren’t finding farm land for 2k an acre, unless you’re looking in a desolate area with no road access or utilities anywhere close. And building a house would be wonderful but the cost of supplies are going to be astronomical very shortly
>>61638937Not before March and I won’t even think about converting until gsr breaches 40:1. in fact, I don’t even think about having a stack. This isn’t some quick flip ya heeb, gold and silver are the only physical safe assets in the present time until we secure our homestead
>>61638956No one who understands bitcoin wants less of it.
Wow. It's gone up in the last hour. Anyway, my prediction is up and then down. Like barely enough to be notable up and then basically back to where it was down. Or if it exceeds this expectation and hits the bull case then it won't correct and by 2030 will be 4 or 500k.
Basically it either goes up 20k every 6 months or more like 10k after people finish re buying it and basically running dry of powder. Idk.
Whales always do the opposite of what makes long term sense in the short term to bait everyone obviously. So. Freed is what I call it.
>>61638825Congrats on your second child!There are things more important than Gold/Bitcoin.Family first, invest wisely to support them.Just being a good parent has a shitload of worth.
nice chatgpt essay old man you are 50 how does it feel that half your life is gone very weird indeed
>>61638663how much money do you have, mr expert?
>>61641742>>61641668>yap yap yapAnd how much have YOU PERSONALLY bet on this thesis? Or are you just yapping
>>61642474About a million.>>61642489As much as I want to profit off of pushing number go up button. I actually don't believe in making money off of money except as a favor for a favor in very limited circumstances.
The most valuable thing you can give anyone is your time. Or a kidney.
You want to bet on something maybe guess if I do or don't get to 1k science before 1k ad this time. I'm at 700 in 870.
Alexander just randomly stole my aluminum.
I take one stupid city state just to have more rivers to settle and no one will give me massive loans so I can just buy 20 basedence buildings in 1 turn. Also we have radio.
Wtf is happening here.
And I win. GG.
>>61644195Civ 6?
Russia was supposed to be super Byzantium the timeline. Make a book about it idk. But also all your commentary on society are less than this civ hax list.
>>61644219V g&k a ige mod I didn't use a religion expansion mod I did take advantage of a little and a giant earth map. Plus faster movements. 4 instead of 2.
The worker thing kind of makes sense if you imagine the pyramid was actually some genetic program to make people with perfect immune systems and bone genes and aerobic capacities so they can get everything done with less food and money. Then all the social shit also makes sense for reasons that could be expounded upon. Each think accelerates the sum total stable progress over time. Etc. all of the center mass of Eurasia could be united by these like river mongers who build a Victorian representative democracy or whatever it doesn't really matter. just because muh money and shit. I do have an army it's just in Turkey or patrolling Siberia. But yeah just making tons of scouts early is like a humankind reference hack. Should try that and civ iv too if you literally have no life but I did it for you to talk about when people talk about communism so I can say shit that's actually right. But this isn't pol and pol is retarded.
>>61644195My nigga you gotta chop down the forests and build farms on rivers if you wanna win above Prince
>>61644561They're basically just being scientists and working the mines for wonders. I'm only playing on prince because it's just a speed run. You make gatling guns of the scouts to archers and they'd bulldoze or hold against anything. I got like 7 factories in 1k ad and have to settle all of the middle east and get some more economy meme policies. Idk how hard deity is but I still doubt it'd have gatling guns in 1k ad and be buying hydro dams on a 200gpt surplus. But I see the point of more people and more policies means same stability and more research but the issue here is production and sprawl first. Besides growth is so slow after 10pop anyway. Rather make more money and stuff.
