How do you optimize your grocery shopping so that you can get all the macros (20 essential aminoacids, fat), micros (30 essential micronutrients your body can't synthesize), and +2000 calories, with minimal financial impact?
>>61660415Eggs, brown beans and chicken. Bananas and apples
>>61660418>>61660415You can pay like $100 a week to have a service cook and deliver you meals. Best option
>>61660415Consuming a lot more dairy, milk especially which is incredible $ per cal
>>61660428I prefer to get the natural ingredients for my woman to do it herself
I don’t>t. Spends thousands monthly just to avoid being poisoned by goy chowIf it’s any trade off, I don’t pay for (((health insurance))) either because I take care of my body
>>61660435These are natural ingredients. Based though if you do have a woman
>>61660415I've spent hours playing around with cronometer to create meal plans optimizing nutrition and cost. I made a spreadsheet for every single nutrient, including fiber, omega 3, and leucine (the most important amino acid for muscle building). Each of these nutrients can be sorted by cost and by calorie.If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to help.
cant beat liver and cheese nutrition and price wise.
>>61660445You don't want to be eating out of those heated plastic containers. At best it'll turn you into a gay
>>61660500Take it out before you hear it
Off the top pf my head:1. Beans are GODtier. Fiber, protein, and nutrient powerhouses. Cheap as fuck.2. There are a few nutrients that are impractical to get from whole foods. These are omega 3, vitamin E, and to a lesser extent vitamins D and K, which I prefer to take together (they have synergy, google it). If you are willing to spend the money, salmon is a good source of omega 3, but it's cheaper to buy a high quality fish oil supplement. Don't get your omega 3 from plant sources, it's not as good.
>>61660500A man at my job was heating these plastic meals at the microwave oven and he started walking funny and limp wristing
>>61660509>>61660418this and milk, fish oil and whatever vitamins you might lack. simple as.
>>61660415>2 0 2 6>he's still buying "food"
Here are the top 20 foods by leucine-per-dollar, and leucine-per-calorie respectively.My favorites are beans, chicken, greek yogurt, and whey protein.
>>61660415You can't. You have to cycle micronutrient sources because they're too expensive to buy and would be too much to eat every week.
>>61660542I spend less than $50 a week on food, and I could even get it under $30 while still getting 100% of my micronutrients
>>61660519all the fish oil on the market is rottenliterally a waste of money
>>61660509sardines for cheap omega 3 uwu
>>61660418Avos on toast
>>61660879https://youtu.be/RhpwH4eHk3M
Chicken, rice, broccoli has been the go-to meal for serious lifters for like 25 years. Just pop a cheap multivitamin to get any micros left out
>>61660415I wouldn't spend less on food
>>61660415Flour, cheese, eggs.
>>61660415Vit Min pillmaxxSometimes I have a little nibble on the corners of boxes in stores to make sure I keep my fibre up.
>>61660415>(((calories)))
>>61660415>hey goy! Did you get your (((macros))) (((aminoacids))) from our goyslop today? Here buy our totally organic beans and chicken teats! Only for 9.99!
>>6166041580/20 to 70/30 ground beef. Buy a couple tubes of it. 360 and walk out the door. No other foods are needed. Yes, it hits all of the micros. No, fiber is not a micro. Yes, it has vitamin C. If you're really paranoid buy some eggs too, but it isnt even needed.
>>61660509Salmon and tuna contain dangerous amounts of heavy metals and you shouldn't have them more than once a month.Sardines are the way to go.
>>61660487>>61660550I thought I had mastered the cheap/healthy grocery list at $70/wkPlease share this mythical sub-$30 weekly meal plan that provides all macros/micros.in adequate amounts
>>61661310That faggot Jordan Peterson went full beeftard shortly before his health took a serious diveInsoluble fiber is important BECAUSE you don't digest itIt scrubs the fermenting shit particles off your intestines and lets the feces move more easily which keeps your digestive system in better shape. It's not healthy to have multiple meals a day get backed up into one big shit log. You should be shitting at least twice a day. But carnivores only shit 1-2 times every couple days
>>61662013Jewdan Peterstein is a benzo addicted faggot. Not a good example.>Insoluble fiber is important BECAUSE you don't digest itWrong and retarded. No other animal needs fiber unless they can actually ferment it. Humans can't ferment fiber. To keep this business related, guess how I know you're a peeler?
>>61662027>Humans can't ferment fiber.The bacteria in their gut canThat's how non-ruminants process fiberIt's why iquanas can live a full life on leafs/fruitYet other lizards live on just meat/insectsThere are FAR more vegan centenarians than there are carnivore centenarians. But I hate vegans.
>>61662066>The bacteria in their gut canLess than 5% of the fiber we eat is fermented, and the organ used to ferment is fully atrophied, and we can't even derive any nutrition from fermented food other than a tiny bit of fatty acid. Can't even derive any B12 from it. We have the fermentation capabilities nearing a feline.>That's how non-ruminants process fibernon-ruminants that process fiber can still have cecums and a digestive system designed to ferment food. Humans don't have a cecum.>It's why iquanas can live a full life on leafs/fruitwe're not iguanas>There are FAR more vegan centenarians than there are carnivore centenarians.and ice cream consumption causes sunburn too
>>61660415Rice, beans, potatoes, eggs, milk, FROZEN fruits and veggies. Meat is chicken thighs with bone-in and occasional ground beef. It costs literally nothing.
Bread and water like the rest of human history
>>61662107All I care about is maximizing my lifespanShow me a 100% fiber-free carnivore that is over 100 years oldI can show you numerous vegans over 110 years old
>>61662183>Show me a 100% fiber-free carnivore that is over 100 years oldyou'll see results of this in your lifetime, because people are actually going out of their way to only eat meat exclusively since the agricultural revolution. Regardless, causation is correlation.Pic related is the result of an 80 something year old woman who runs a ranch who has been eating carnivore for 60 or 70 years or something. Very bullish.
>>61662282*correlation is not causation
>>61662282Of course correlation isn't causationBut there's far more scientific and anecdotal correlation between increased life expectancy and high fiber diets vs zero fiber dietsAll I care about is statistics, numbers, things that are scientifically verifiable. And unfortunately the vegans have far more evidence in their favor than the carnivores.
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>>61660428buy an ad. this entire thread is a shill for overpriced goyslop.
>>61662531>But there's far more scientific and anecdotal correlation between increased life expectancy and high fiber diets vs zero fiber dietsBy science if you mean studies that can't and don't control for anything and have flawed methodologies, yeah sure I guess. But actual hard sciences, you know the ones where people study how our species evolved and what it ate, how are physiology and biology works, well that all indicates hypercarnivore.And as far as anecdotal evidence is concerned, carnivore chads get ripped and keep fat off, and vegans are Auschwitz survivors (if auschwits was real)
>>61660415Grow your own food. Seeds are dirt cheap, it's fun, easy, and the yield is insane. Ask AI how to get started. I grew some spicy ghost peppers last year to make it more interestingBuy a water distillerBuy quality Omega-3's; liquid hemp seed oil, ground flax seedNutritional Yeast tastes like cheesy flakes and has like 10 calories to a table spoon comprising multiple 300%s of B vitamins and minerals, can be shipped right to your door - I do it monthly along with the oilsSet up monthly subscriptions for delivery on items you would normally buy at chains to get bulk discounts & save on gas, mileage. Amazon has Subscribe & Save, it's what I use because it saves 15% on all bulk items. If you don't want the shill, research other delivery options in your areaIf not, buy wholesale, tried & true and may be cheaperEat less food overallEat more fiber overall - probably the #1 thing besides Omega-3's you can add to your diet but no one doesMeal prep oftenGet more sleepBe kind to others
>>61662531That graphic is blatantly wrong and retarded on almost every single point also. Can just say cecum /thread and invalidate the entire thing.
>>61662686>Be kind to othersuwu
>>61662686>Eat more fiber overall - probably the #1 thing besides Omega-3's you can add to your diet but no one doesI swear you're all just homos that enjoy having your sphincter stretched out nearly twice a day. Probably the greatest QoL change for me was dropping all fiber and never being constipated ever again. JANNIES THIS IS STILL BUSINESS RELATED BECAUSE IF YOU GET CONSTIPATED THEN YOU GET HEMORRHOIDS AND THEN DOCTORFAGS TAKE ALL OF YOUR MONEY AND YOU CAN'T INVEST IT IN STINKY LINK OR SILVER BAHS
>>61662667The image in my post literally lists the biological evidence proving our digestive tract is more in line with herbivore/omnivores than carnivoresI'm not a blind "trust the science" tard. I don't look for biased uncontrolled experiments that validate my preconceptions. I just compare the most credible evidence from both sides and compare.You're right about chad carnivores vs weak vegansBut that's because you have to have a deep understanding of nutrition to pull off veganism successfully. But most vegans are too retarded to even count macros. Any dumbass can meet protein/fat/calorie demands eating animal based foods
>>61662735>The image in my post literally lists the biological evidence proving our digestive tract is more in line with herbivore/omnivores than carnivoresIt's not even close to correct. Every point is quite literally retarded, misconstrued reductionism, an irrelevant comparison, or flat out incorrect. I can also post purely carnivorous fish that completely buck the normal "carnivorous" pattern that Lions fit into. Animals adapt to their environment, and humans adapted to become carnivore over the course of nearly a million years. Humans barely ate plants until about 13k years ago, and 13k years isn't sufficient time for adaptation towards eating plants.Thus veganism is bearish and should be shorted, just like beyond meat was shorted into oblivion because its retarded.
>>61662711Fiber makes my shits easier and thinnerMeet diet makes me shit out a lot twice the diameter that has given me anal fissuresThat's why metamucil (psillium husk fiber) is universally used by people with hemorrhoids and anal fissures that need to give their butthole some relief from large fiber-deficient logs
>>61662735>I'm not a blind "trust the science" tard.We're on the same path then. In my opinion, you just need to be able to filter out garbage data that pretends to be "scientific" but is just noise (usually sponsored by big pharma or giant junk food conglomerate) I think I might buy pfizer, J&J and cocacola stock because the resistance I get on these topics is astronomical no matter where I go, and those companies shill so hard for the studies that support the thesis "red meat le bad eat le plants". I see no hope for normalgroids to ever understand the demonic forces that seek to enfeeble and enslave them like the cattle they are.
>cut four onions into pieces>put oil and onions in pot>roast that shit>add can of chopped tomatoes>ass can of kidney beans, after rinsed in water>season with salt, peber and green shit>low heat for 10-12 minutes>let cool for 10 minutesbon appetit
>>61662759You say that but have you ever actually tried only eating meat? You could just have an atrophied bile system, and thus when you eat fatty meat you can digest the fat, and then all of the liquids and shit gets absorbed by the fiber you do eat and makes you constipated. I only say this because absolutely nothing stopped constipation for me except taking out every last bit of fiber from my diet.
>>61662686>Grow your own food.I was told that this isn't profitable because of economies of scale (unless of course I do have a fucking farm)
>>61660415potatoes, milk, parmesan cheese, butter, 92F coconut oil, occasional liver, gelatinous cuts of beef, various fruit, orange juice, sugar, plain salt, various steamable vegetables. very cheap and versatile diet.
>>61660415idk but i make neopalitan pizza dough from scratch, i bought a high dollar mixer, its kind of a fun thing to do with the kids
>>61661981Keep in mind this is a total meme diet, I do not eat this, I only put this together as a proof of concept, but it shows what is possible:whole foods:150g beans (black and/or pinto, dry weight)120g carrot200g cabbage150g non fat greek yogurt120g chicken thigh with skin3g saltprotein shake:480g almond milk35g whey protein powder100g frozen berries80g banana8g flax seeds5g chia seeds5g creatinesupplements:2g omega 319mg vitamin e700IU vitamin k1g nutritional yeastThe last time I calculated, this was $3.30, buying from sam's club and aldi. The protein powder and supps come from amazon (could probably look for a better vendor, too much fake stuff).100% of all vitamins and minerals. 117g protein. 38g fiber. 1400 calories, but you can always cheap calories of choice, like rice or pasta etc
>>61660879>>61661490I like deenz too. I used an online calculator and supposedly 3 cans of farmed pink salmon a week is safe iirc. I just take supplements for now anyway>>61660687I had heard this too. I buy a reputable brand (third party certified) and keep it in the fridge, but maybe I should switch to sardines
>>61661490Salmon is pretty low, much lower than tuna.
>>61660428Its way fucking more than that to cover all meals. $100/wk is like 6 lunches or less. Total scam. You can make ALL your food for the month for less than that.
>>61660539Beans are lacking in tons of amino acids so you only absorb about half the protein in beans. Also legumes in general are really bad for your health and are toxic and will cause serious bloat and gas
>>616652321400 calories is great if you’re a post-menopausal woman. I hope nobody considers this.
>>61665556I always make sure I get at least 2.5 grams of leucine per meal, which is the threshold for muscle synthesis. Beans provide sufficient leucine. Also notice there are plenty of other protein sources.I am not aware of beans being toxic when prepared correctly. I always soak my beans overnight and pressure cook them. The fiber and protein do cause absurd levels of flatulence, I cannot deny this, but that is gonna happen no matter where you get your fiber and protein from.>>61665587Like I said, you can add as many carbs as you want from cheap sources like rice, pasta, bread, healthy fats, whatever you want. It would add maybe 25 cents to the daily cost
>>61665692Add as many calories*The point is that this gives you all your vits and nutrients
Foodmaxxing ftw
>>61662757The truth is that at their core, individuals in the modern world fear veganism because it contradicts a lifetime of established nutritional belief and social indoctrination. I'm not fully vegan, but I am mindful of how others negatively perceive & treat them which to me seems like a struggle against ego. I think it has been stated in this thread already but essential vitamins and minerals are molecules comprised of a specific composition of atoms acting as coenzymes required for the human body to produce beneficial enzymes, structural components, antioxidants, and signaling molecules. These products are integral for cellular maintenance (aging), immunity, cancer prevention, sensory preservation, the list goes on and I don't want to sound too much like a nomenclature spitting faggot. Anyway, despite what media owned by those who are indifferent to your chronic poisoning conveys, these essential substances are found almost exclusively in plants. Plants have the ability to insert a double bond at the 3rd carbon in a triglyceride (Omega-3) and no mammal on Earth can do this. These fatty acids are the building blocks for all animal cell membranes and the integrity of the human consuming them. It's remarkable the de-aging process that undergoes when proper nutrition is adopted for several years. Meat, in contrast, provides almost no essential vitamins and minerals. Again, Google, your favorite influencer, your family, are all programmed to inform you otherwise and establish a divisive rhetoric to confuse you. The human body produces all of the cholesterol it ever needs. Animal products are direct sources of cholesterol (plants have none) and additional quantities put strain on the liver to regulate levels within the body. I eat meat & fish occasionally - it's good, I get it. My point to all this schizo rambling is that were made to live on a diet comprised mostly of plants and oils and adapting so will greatly prolong your youth, mind & vitality
>>61662027How does it take people so long to digest food?Everything is out of my system in 12 to 24 hours.
just eat what your mom cooks
>>61667763If you drink coffee or eat any kind of food that your body rejects or acts as a laxative you're going to have quicker bowel movements. Raw vegans have to shit like 3-5x a day as an example. If you eat only meat you'll have barely any turd volume and you'll shit maybe once every 2 or 3 days because you basically fully digest everything except some connective tissues.
eggs are god tier, only get pasture raised or free range.milk is good, olive oil avocado oil are good.i like to fit in a serving of fruit, pineapple is good, bananas are good. i use chocolate whey protein, vanilla and other vegetarian/vegan options contain higher amounts of lead.Then i mainly eat a protein heavy meal. it could be tacos, it could be roasted chicken or the occasional fried chicken. it could be a nice steak. carbs include potatoes, tomatoes, onions but the star of the show is the protein.
>>61668880why is the chocolate one lead free?
>>61668894its not lead free, there are just lower amounts of it. i believe the explanation for the vanilla and vegetarian/vegan options was that the flavorings are derived from natural sources which carry over a lot of this lead contamination.
>>61668913*plant sources
>>61660428I've tried hello fresh its OKYou have to wait at home during your delivery window, might as well go shopping. lots of plastic packaging.not enough for leftovers for next day. (if feeding 2 people)If I find a meal I like, I'll just copy the recipe and go shopping. then I can make bigger portion for a few days.if your retarded and helpless, it might be an ok learning tool.
>>61662282>woman has been eating exclusively meat since she was a teenagerX
>>61660415Ground turkey and sausage are cheap meats people usually sleep on.Tuna as well, but you have to limit it because mercury.Rice.Pasta is cheap, but more difficult to make into a balanced meal.Check the price/ib on meats, and consider buying in bulk, then portioning and freezing.Cook with frozen veggies. They don't go bad, taste fine cooked, cheap.Soups / stews. Any leftover meats can be thrown in a stew, add some frozen veggies, whatever spices and it usually comes out better than expected.Biggest thing is probably stop buying snacky shit on impulse, and if you keep buying something that goes bad before you use it all, buy less of it, or stop buying it.
>>61667319B12 (doesn’t exist in plants, period)DHA/EPA (brain fats, not salad fats)Heme iron (enjoy your anemia)Zinc (bioavailability matters, champ)Retinol (real vitamin A, not beta-carotene cope)Choline (hope you like fatty liver)Creatine, taurine, carnosine (oh look, animals again)Plants are great but they are not complete faggot If meat has “almost no nutrients,” then explain why every long term vegan ends up on a supplement stack and blood tests while pretending pills grown in a factory are more natural than eggs or fish lmaoYour omega3 take is half a Wikipedia paragraph deep.Yes, plants make ALA. Humans convert it to DHA like garbage. Brains run on DHA. Fish already did the work for you.You didn’t escape indoctrinationYou replaced it with midwit nutrition mysticism and a superiority complex you fucking gimp
>>61662531vegans die from not eating meat, meat eaters don't die from not eating vegetables.
>>61662686>Grow your own food>the yield is insane>I grew some spicy ghost peppersI know a bunch of people that got into growing their own ghost peppers and I just don't get the obsession. I mean I don't like spicy things but even if they were growing something like garlic, it's practically just a spice with 0 calories. Which is cool I guess if you're using it, but it seems infinitely more useful and appealing to be growing something that has some nutritional value like potatoes, cucumbers, onions, tomatoes, fruits, and shit like that. Being able to say everything for dinner came from your garden just seems way more fulfilling than saying some of the spice of this sauce came from some peppers in the garden. Even just one thing like a potato on your plate and knowing you grew it.
6 cans sardines24 eggsFisherman's eggs/quiche divide into 6-8 servings. Each serving on 4 pieces whole wheat2-3 glasses whole milk + multivitaminrun it through your calculator please. been doing this and feel pretty strong, dropped about 10lbs effortlessly (no alcohol jew, sugar, etc...) and rough math is $12 sardines + $5 eggs per batch. I sautee red onion, kalamata olives and whole lemon for some variety
>>61660415>How9 cans of ravioli
