>Is mining profitable?
>Why should I mine?
See: https://moneroj.net/hashvsprice/
This chart shows that mining makes XMR more valuable by making the network more secure and more expensive to attack. If you have an interest in increasing the value of XMR, consider mining.

>Pools
https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
Note: qubic.org is a malicious pool that does NOT payout in XMR.

>Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
>CPU benchmarks
https://xmrig.com/benchmark
>Profit calculators
https://iwillsolo.com/monero/
https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculator
Note: the hash rates on xmrig.com are more accurate

>I'm rich and want a dedicated mining device
Antminer X5
Hashrate: 212000 H/s
Power draw: 1350 W
Cost: ~$2800, Doesn't include shipping costs
Hashes per $: ~70
By far the most powerful miner on the market. There's no official bitmain support for this device; you're on your own for updates/repairs

>I'm poor and want a dedicated mining device
MINISFORUM 795S7
Hashrate: 19250 H/s
Power draw: 142 W
Cost: $607 shipped
Hashes per $: 32
As of 2025 it's the best bang for your buck. No room for upgrades, though.

>On P2Pool
Mining in P2Pool is easier than ever with Gupax:

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, or your own node
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

>DUE TO BOTNETS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!

>Can I use my GPU too?
Yes. MoneroOcean mines GPU-shitcoins, sells them, and pays you out in XMR. To get started, visit the help page on:
https://moneroocean.stream/

>IF MINING ON MONEROOCEAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING MO-XMRig TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS

Remember, the value of any currency is in it's acceptance.

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/

>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/

>Store XMR securely!


>Darknet vendors for more exotic goods and services
# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi

Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/pbCycXsC

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app
https://orangefren.com
https://eigenwallet.org
https://basicswapdex.com

Or retoswap, an XMR-centric fork of Bisq
https://retoswap.com/


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/


>Want more organic Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

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suggest wallet that can store
XRP,XMR,USDT and Zcash
is there an

What is the most braindead retarded easy method to spend my monero at any visa/mastercard merchant?

>>61696701
>>61696670
>Asking to be spoonfed
>>>/cuckbase/
>>>/plebbit/

>>61696640
Would it dump to 450 soon?

>>61696768
>don't ask any questions
>don't learn from others
>just try every prepaid card until you find the best one
Fuck off

>>61696670
No, because XRP is not a block chain.
No, I won't clarify any further than this, and no one else should either

>>61696701
https://cakepay.com/cards/
https://coincards.com/us/product-tag/prepaid-credit-card/

>>61696670
cake wallet besides the xrp

>>61696950
There are even more options on xmr.cards, I'm just not sure which is the best

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Mfw the chart looks exactly like this in retrospect and I didn't sell at either peak

>>61697326
same, I traded this chart at denial while my plan was complacency on this fucking thing.
will buy at carrot bottom maybe.

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>>61697326
I will never understand why people keep ignoring these simple mechanisms.
Certainly Crypto is a good example on how you can make a big fortune when a coin has tanked back.

The majority of XMR, i bought when it was between 100 and 150 Euros. Some hundreds of them even cheaper.
I started selling at 620 Euros. Took me a while and i pretty much made use of any swap service or DEX i could find.
Will get in again when the bottom is reached.

>>61697522
Greed, mostly. At least I can say I bought in the low 400s (usd)

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>>61697536
>Greed, mostly.
Yepp Greed eats brain.
Well, it's not greed on my side, but the pue fact, that the pension system in my country will soon hit the wall and i won't get shit out of it, despite having to pay into it for my whole life.
I don't want to end up selling corn or potatos at the roadside when i'm 70.

I pretty much came from nothing to enormous wealth, just by sticking to the "peak and bottom" principle.

>>61697638
Congrats on making it, hopefully I take a lesson from my mistake

>>61697832
Depending on how much free capital you have left to buy more XMR, you have now two options:
1. Stay in, no matter how low it goes and buy more if bottom is reached.
2. Sell everything with a profit (as of now 515 USD) and wait until bottom is reached and then buy in again.

For all those that are already in the loss since they bought much higher than it is right now, stay THE FUCK IN and buy more if the bottom is reached.
There is a simple math behind all this.

Example:
Let's say, anon bought one XMR for 420 USD
If XMR finally tanks back to 200 USD, buy one more.
Means you in total bought 2 XMR for 620 USD in total.
Divided by two means you only gave 310 USD per XMR.
This is then the new ROI (Return of investment) for Anon instead of the 420 USD.
And with each single XMR you buy at let's say around 200 USD, the ROI will be lower as a result.

>>61697326
I didn't sell, but I used a little more than I usually do
better than nothing

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>>61697976
I understand, thanks. I feel like this can apply to a bunch of things like upgrading my gear.

For example my old upgraded Ender 3, I rode that thing until I got frustrated, bought into a better one.
Took gains in form of skill and various functional parts on the way up to there.

Back to topic, holding my last Monero and waiting until the swing trading gets less interesting.
My miner's working overdrive on effort, what's up with that?

>>61698717
Depending on electricity prices and the cost of the mining rig itself, i doubt you will ever go with profit.

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>>61699294
>no profit
I know, I just wanted to spend some compute this month on my usually idle home server since electricity became cheaper. aka no reason besides trying stuff.

>>61696640
>gravestone doji
I wish you well.

Any apps you can use from a phone to buy xmr for btc with no kyc bullshit?

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>>61699658
> buy xmr for btc
What do you mean?

>>61700253
Swap btc for xmr

XMR

>>61700282
Trocador.app

Make sure to choose a swap service with a A or B KYC note, which means that they respectively never do KYC or rarely ask for it and if you refuse they simply refund you.

I hope trocador will last for eternity.

>>61696898
Based. OG Monero holders really are niggers most of the time.

lmao i think someone just dumped infinity million into hyperliquid buys, pushed the price to 530 and then flipped

back to 500 weeeeeeeeee

>>61700571
It's been bouncing between 500 and 530 for a while now.

>>61700461
why are we not recommending wagyu.xyz
I've been using it and it's definitely better than troucador

>>61700680
How is it better? It's new and the owner is a bit weird so I'll let other people betatest it for a year before starting to trust it.

>>61700761
makes sense
idk justwerks instantly with miniscule fees and a better rate
mostly good trustmebro vibes but maybe it could rug one day i guess
the third parties on trocador are dodgier

>>61700772
actually no it's probably never going to rug because he's making fuck you money daily keeping it running

>>61700680
>>61700772
>>61700786
Fagyu

>>61700786
he could make fuck you money x100 with the right malware

Monero

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>>61700680
>why are we not recommending wagyu.xyz

>>61699658
Retoswap has a mobile app for android, need to run Orbot app along side it for Tor connections
>https://github.com/retoaccess1/RetoSwap-App

>>61701563
I dont recommend anything for xmr that doesnt have a github or is closed source

>>61700390
How does this compare to retoswap?

>>61697976
You are operating under an assumption that the price recovers. All crypto will tank without exceptions.

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Anyone understand the bs about view keys and the hard fork coming up? I hear exchanges are gonna start demanding access to your monero transaction history in order for you to trade... O.o

>>61702533
or swaprocket? i wanna know too

>>61702533
Trocador is a way better UX because you don't have to install anything or try to find a good peer to swap with, since RetoSwap is P2P.

RetoSwap is always a backup plan if you need total privacy or if you're flagged for KYC, but Trocador is easier and faster.

>>61696640
Did you guys see Wownero just did almost a 200% climb? I told you all to get at least 10k Wownero.

>>61704074
Where do you even swap for wownero? I don't even see it listed on Coinmarketcap, I don't know how the price evolved.

>>61704074
0 volume
nowhere to trade it
its a dead shitcoin

>>61703327
Outgoing view keys = current view keys + key images for every tx
If CARROT, and thus outgoing view keys were released right now and if exchanges required all Monero users to share their outgoing view keys with them, this is the level of analysis that's possible on each individual public address they have view keys for
https://moonstoneresearch.com/2023/11/03/Postmortem-of-Monero-CCS-Hack.html

Tldr they might be able to tell which of the ring sigs is yours if you sent it to a cooperative snitch.

The question that everyone seems to be asking is
>What happens when all the exchanges collects a bunch of outgoing view keys from their customers to create a database and start analyzing their Monero txs to this degree?

And the answer is
>Nothing
Because that's exactly what happened to the CCS hacker.
If coinbase has outgoing view keys for Alice and Bob, they can tell that Alice sent coins to Bob. If they don't have the outgoing view key for Carol and Alice sends coins to her, then coinbase can only see that you sent coins to someone. This applies to everyone from Alice to Zack: they can't magically identify Alice's txs in your wallet if they don't have your outgoing view key

This is when the FUDders usually assert things like
>Well if exchanges can see transactions occuring between Alice and Bob it's still a huge liability
>Wallets will forward your outgoing view keys to the feds
>Monero is doomed, better sell it all for zcash

And the rebuttal is
>You're either a fed or don't know what you're talking about, please sit down
Let's assume that Carol is the Don Dada of the DNMs and Alice is her best customer. Carol isn't concerned about any of this since she wasn't sharing her current view keys + key images with coinbase anyway and has no reason to share her new outgoing view keys with them either. Carol doesn't care if coinbase knows she sent her Monero to someone as long as they can't tell who that someone is.

>>61704945
>Carol doesn't care if coinbase knows Alice sent her Monero to someone as long as they can't tell who that someone is.

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>>61704945

>If they don't have the outgoing view key for Carol and Alice sends coins to her, then coinbase can only see that you sent coins to someone.

Im going to go out on a limb here and say, yea, i agree with the community. When i pay a 10$ with cash at a gas station, I dont expect the gas station to know that I also paid someone else, period, end of story. I don't believe there can ever be an argument against this. Monero being digital cash? If this fork goes through, then thats a big fat fucking lie my friend.

>Carol isn't concerned about any of this since she wasn't sharing her current view keys + key images with coinbase anyway and has no reason to share her new outgoing view keys with them either. Carol doesn't care if coinbase knows she sent her Monero to someone as long as they can't tell who that someone is.

Carol is a fucking moron. This is the classic "well i have nothing to hide, why do i care if the NSA has a rectal thermometer up my ass?" position, and Carol needs to be made fun of and ridiculed, as does the monero team.

>>61704839
You can trade wownero on nonlogs.io

>>61705041
>When i pay a 10$ with cash at a gas station, I dont expect the gas station to know that I also paid someone else, period, end of story. I don't believe there can ever be an argument against this.Monero being digital cash? If this fork goes through, then thats a big fat fucking lie my friend.
No one will be able to tell if you don't share your outgoing view key,

>Carol is a fucking moron. This is the classic "well i have nothing to hide, why do i care if the NSA has a rectal thermometer up my ass?" position, and Carol needs to be made fun of and ridiculed, as does the monero team.

And the rebuttal is
>You're either a fed or don't know what you're talking about, please sit down
Carol doesn't share her view key + key images for all of her txs right now, and won't share her outgoing view key with anyone, so please tell me how anyone can learn anything about the balance of Carol's wallet or her tx history?

The concept of view keys is ultimately an attack vector for glowies
It shouldn't exist at all

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>>61696640
so like i just downloaded cake wallet and select monero

question
if i buy ltc from binance then send it to cake wallet
then i swap to xmr
is this the lowest fees possible?

enlight me sar

>>61705123
>Set up bank account at Bank of Monero
>'thank you for choosing us saar'
>'no saar your balance does not appear on the blockchain'
>'no saar we do not have any way of confirming your balance without giving us sornd authorization but we promise to rever redeem your coins saar'
>'please send deposit now saar'

View keys are based

>>61705134
Yeah it's pretty low fees. I think there might be slightly lower fees if you use a Trocador service since the ones available on Cake sometimes don't have great rates but it's good enough.

>>61705207
If i want to buy lets say 5000 euro
Should i buy ltc on binance then send it to cake wallet or use Trocador?

Its for Dark Matter

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>>61705234
What are you going to do with 5k worth of drugs lmao.

If it's a big amount then send it from Binance to your Cake Wallet, then from there go on Trocador and swap it but make sure to choose a service that has A or B level of KYC.

Don't take the first one you see just because it's 0.5% cheaper.

Since you're not experienced you should do it in several times, just in case you mess up something. Do a €100 swap first then if it works do €1000 and €3900 or something.
Since the fees are percentage based it doesn't change how much you'll get.

>>61705259
>Do it several times
this, small scale.. else there might be the possibility you miss the timing and the trade blows up in your face.

>>61705259
Thx brother
I will use Exolix right
May i know if i send it to cake wallet then swap

How many xmr will i get

£5k for 1 year tho

>>61705041
If you went to the gas station and told the cashier all of your transaction history, literally brought a notebook with you and showed them all of your notes written down, then they would know. And if you DIDNT do that, they wouldn’t.

That is the correct comparison.

>>61705259
Its only Adderall and xans

>>61705104

>No one will be able to tell if you don't share your outgoing view key
if you have the (option) to share it, it will soon be (required) for you to share it. if there is (NO OPTION) to share it, you (cannot be required) to share it.

>Carol doesn't share her view key + key images for all of her txs right now, and won't share her outgoing view key with anyone, so please tell me how anyone can learn anything about the balance of Carol's wallet or her tx history?

"Wont share it now" will become an impossibility, and will become "Will always have to share it."

I dont see how monero can recover from this.

>>61705450
>If you went to the gas station and told the cashier all of your transaction history, literally brought a notebook with you and showed them all of your notes written down, then they would know. And if you DIDNT do that, they wouldn’t.

>That is the correct comparison.

Actually, your comparison is wrong. The simple fact that a notebook will now exist, means that for compliance, youll be forced to show it. Dont be stupid, the government and the G-men are NOT on your side and never will be and will always do everything they can to squeeze every bit of data out of you no matter what and always use it against you for their benefit.

The amount of mental gymnastics accepting this is either fed level jew psyop jdif shilling on here, or you guys are actually fucking retarded about how privacy works in any context throughout all of history when it comes to finances. They will never be on your side.

>>61705123
View keys allow you to verify payments in an automated way without having your spend key on a live server.

>>61705599

>if you have the (option) to share it, it will soon be (required) for you to share it. if there is (NO OPTION) to share it, you (cannot be required) to share it.
You clearly didn't read >>61704945 where I said
>Outgoing view keys = current view keys + key images for every tx
Exchanges could have required this from day one (send us your view key and all key images associated with your address or we're confiscating your coins) because it has been apart of the protocol since forever. You've literally never not been able to do this. Outgoing view keys doesn't change this at all.

>"Wont share it now" will become an impossibility, and will become "Will always have to share it."
So you can't explain how Carol who uses non-kyc dex options to cash in and out of Monero and the thousands of others like her will be affected by this beyond "they'll comply because....t-they just will ok?"
Cool.

>The simple fact that a notebook will now exist, means that for compliance, youll be forced to show it.
Again, the notebook has always existed since the Genesis block. You have yet to explain why this hasn't happened already.

Tldr
>You're either a fed or don't know what you're talking about, please sit down

The "official" Monero sources are fucking things up, certainly in the short term and possibly in the long term by not nuking the FUD around FCMP++ and Carrot.

An official response with high and low level explanations about the proposals along with responses and mitigations regarding the main concerns should have been put out by now.

Reddit, Matrix and /biz posts are currently filled with a mixture of plain old FUD (I'd say a 50/50 mix of uneducated retards and people looking to use the FUD to manipulate the market...), "trust the science, bro" tossers and either official silence or snarky "just fork it if you don't like it" comments from those who should know better.

For Monero to survive and grow, especially given that the entire premise is one of total privacy and trustlessness, this needs to be hit head on in an official capacity and quickly.

It'd be a shame for Monero to die off or even just be damaged for no reason other than a lack of good communication.

>>61705746
just have 2 wallets.
as soon as monero will get more popular they will enact indirect or direct rules for users to reveal most/all of their view keys any time they interact with anything even slightly centralized / regulated
optional compliance is still not enough

>>61704945
>Tldr they might be able to tell which of the ring sigs is yours if you sent it to a cooperative snitch.
Does this even matter if it's released with fcmp++?

>>61705599
>it will soon be (required) for you to share it. i
By who? The CEXes that already don't allow us to buy XMR?

>>61705801
>An official response with high and low level explanations about the proposals along with responses and mitigations regarding the main concerns should have been put out by now.
I agree. I recently wanted to read up on fcmp++ and the documentation is meager (at least on an enthusiast level). However, the crying about view keys here is absurd in my opinion. There already were ways to let your govt or other threat actor see the balance of your wallet - by you cooperating. This cooperation is precisely what was possible will also be possible with CARROT and somehow this is supposed to be a regression?

when go up

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>>61705801
>the FUD around FCMP++ and Carrot.
I know its bullshit but it's actually pretty based when you think about it:

>scares users away from CEXs
>steers them toward DEXs instead
>limited cashout options leaves them with no choice but to spend their XMR on goods and services

Monero is going to end up totally delisted anyway so its a moot point regardless.

Cope harder, concern trolls.

>>61706004
>Does this even matter if it's released with fcmp++?
For 1 specific scenario yes.
You still won't be able to send directly to a CEX from another CEX without compromising your privacy. You'll have to send it to a wallet first, then send to another CEX.
I know, sadness

what happaned

>>61705772
>Exchanges could have required this from day one (send us your view key and all key images associated with your address or we're confiscating your coins) because it has been apart of the protocol since forever. You've literally never not been able to do this. Outgoing view keys doesn't change this at all.

Would the exchanges have been able to tell if you weren't actually sending all the key images?

>>61706759
So this is easily fixed by making wallet software have a pop up, flashing colors, warning sounds and an explanation that view keys are bad could compromise fungibility and privacy. What a nothingburger

how low are (You) waiting for to buy Anon?

>>61707599
About $3.50.

>people fudding about exchanges having view keys
What exchabges? Kraken and kucoin?

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>>61701232
>areola_slip
SEXOOOOOOO

>>61707599
$200-300 range.

>>61707599
is this the bottom? can i finally see the light?

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>>61707016
they dont know.

>>61705772
It has begun. Call me a fed all you want glownigger troon.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1qml2b9/removed_by_moderator/

>>61710502
hahahahaha what happened monero?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1qmmejn/removed_by_moderator/

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>>61710616
Concern troll is concerned.

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my spagnigga said its cool

>>61710826
>not even owning 90% of the view keys would give them an operational advantage
nigga giving than any view keys is an operational advantage. When you say "Optional privacy" the government hears "nonnegotional nonprivacy or your going to jail for being suspicious"

>>61711315
you're*

>>61711358
my bad i normally dont make that mistake. glad thats the only comment.

>>61707016
>Would the exchanges have been able to tell if you weren't actually sending all the key images?

Yes and no. If you had 10 XMR in a wallet and wanted to send 1 XMR to coinbase, you could certainly try to obscure your tx history by sending a view key and key image for 1 XMR and claiming that's all you had, but there's no guarantee that they'd buy your story. Also, at that point you might as well just use 2 wallets since they can't prove that you own 2 wallets anyway

>>61710502
>They don't know
Thanks for telling us that you've read Rules for Radicals, and are now accusing me of doing the thing that you already did.

>>61710616
>Mod removes AI slop fud
>GUYS GUYS GUYS ITS SCENTSORESHIP ON LEDDIT

>>61711315
>nigga giving than any view keys is an operational advantage
Then don't? Just say no? How exactly does this affect anyone who tells coinbase to fuck off and swaps on eigenwallet/retoswap/etc?

>>61711536
>AI slop fud
i've seen this phrase so many times it's lost meaning. I see a genuine post on monero reddit asking wtf is going on, and it gets banned for being "ai slop mud." You can clearly see a genuine question, these monero trannies mods are banning them.

>Rules for Radicals and "they dont know"
what kinds of gay jew commie shit is this? btw you skirted around actually ansering the question, and then defaulted into saying "just make two wallets" So you didn't really answer, and then gave a cop out for monero's new hard fork fuckedup design flaw.

>Then don't? Just say no?
Good luck telling the government no. Are you saying youre a sovereign citizen? Monero is handing them the keys to rectal cavity, and youre defending it.

>>61711580
The post that the AI slop was based on is right here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1qhh50x/is_optional_transparency_good_for_monero/

>what kinds of gay jew commie shit is this?
The question you gave a non answer to is here
>>61705104
>Carol doesn't share her view key + key images for all of her txs right now, and won't share her outgoing view key with anyone, so please tell me how anyone can learn anything about the balance of Carol's wallet or her tx history?
You just claimed that she'll do it just because instead of cashing in and out through other means.

>Good luck telling the government no.
Don't need it. People in the XMR community are pretty good at doing this already

Hey guys I'm a customer service representative from Coinbase.
Great news! We're planning on listing XMR in 2 more weeks! You'll just have to turrn over your private key to us and let us scan your wallet for compliance purposes. Don't worry, we won't do anything malicious with your private key. We promise!

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>>61711747
>AI slop was based on is right here
really? did you even read the comment section under the banned posts? it was clear it was not AI slop, but genuine concern.

>Don't need it. People in the XMR community are pretty good at doing this already
you mean "was," kinda the whole point here.
You're not listening, nor worth my time. You regurgitate shill responses and refuse to look at the whole picture.

>>61711939
You still haven't explained how this affects anyone that doesn't comply.

>Pic
Kinda proving my point here. Millions of people didn't comply with any of this and faced zero consequences. I don't understand people like you who completely dismiss the power of the word 'no'

What's all this talk about a hard fork? Do i have to do anything so my XMR doesn't get fucked or something? I just buy and hold-- I don't really keep up to date on this shit

>>61712135
No you don't have to do anything. You can read about the biggest changes here.

https://www.getmonero.org/2024/04/27/fcmps.html
https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/master/carrot.md


Tldr the anonymity set is going from 16 to 100 million and new types of keys allow for things like (better) multisigs, (better) atomic swaps, and payment channels. Your legacy wallet will still work and you'll get to enjoy (most) in of the changes

>>61710502
>>61711536
So would it be fair to say that with the new full view keys, the only extra technical ability that exchanges get is that they can guarantee full view of a wallet once you give them the key, while before, you could stop at any point giving them view to any more outgoing transactions for that wallet.

The only other difference I can see is that with the current tech, a user would need to be quite a bit advanced and willing to go through a tedious process of giving each key image separately, right? So an exchange would be filtering out any basic users if they demanded compliance using current tech. While with the new keys it's quite more straightforward for any user to share the new full view key so exchanges and other centralized places may be tempted to ask for such a key without losing that many clients.

I'm still not sure how much any of this worries me. I think we have more users using custodial storage in exchanges for XMR rather than users willing to give the full view keys of their one and only wallet. Probably those smart enough to move stuff to their own wallet are smart enough to know to make two wallets. Perhaps the wallet devs should make this suggestion of having two wallets very obvious when a view key is exported, or perhaps they could even add some sort of feature that allows you to combine two wallets into one and handles how much goes in an out from the "visible" wallet.

>>61700680
ive used it too, sold 1 xmr @ 700 usd
>>61700761
based
>>61700831
retardyu

>>61701563
so only this site has a counterparty risk, apparently. exchanges and instant swap sites never freeze your funds, as we all know.

Can someone TL;DR me on the view key controversy of the upcoming hard fork?
Is this something I should actually be goncerned about or is it nothingburger pretty please ty ty ruv u rong time

>>61712776
Right now it'd only hurt XMR if it's required by massive threat actors (at least nation state level) or required on a massive scale (like by every CEX). Then only the privacy would reduce. Giving your view key will be opt-in.

>>61712561
>So would it be fair to say that with the new full view keys, the only extra technical ability that exchanges get is that they can guarantee full view of a wallet once you give them the key, while before, you could stop at any point giving them view to any more outgoing transactions for that wallet.
Correct

>I'm still not sure how much any of this worries me. I think we have more users using custodial storage in exchanges for XMR rather than users willing to give the full view keys of their one and only wallet. Probably those smart enough to move stuff to their own wallet are smart enough to know to make two wallets.
Also smart enough to just never publish the new view key unless they're one of the few parties that would benefit from them (eg the monerochan.art guy).

>Perhaps the wallet devs should make this suggestion of having two wallets very obvious when a view key is exported, or perhaps they could even add some sort of feature that allows you to combine two wallets into one and handles how much goes in an out from the "visible" wallet.
Finally a sane take to all this

>>61712613
I'm actually rooting for wagyu to become one of the standard ramps for XMR. It appears to be able to solve the very real problem of getting price gouged on instant swap sites.

>>61712776
>Can someone TL;DR me on the view key controversy of the upcoming hard fork?
You need to sell all your XMR right now or else exchanges will force you to upgrade to the new address scheme and send them your full view key. You can't just use services that don't ask you for this because....you just can't ok?
It's ogre. Sell it all now. Btw have you heard of Zcash and Dero?

>Is this something I should actually be goncerned about or is it nothingburger
I'm no chef, but it sure looks like one to me

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>>61712776
>Can someone TL;DR me on the view key controversy of the upcoming hard fork?
There is no controversy, its just our resident demoralization trolls doing their thing. Feel free to ignore.

>>61712776
You know how everyone was rightfully shitting on zscam for having the option to show people your wallet/transactions for kyc laws?
The Monero team saw that and decided
>good idea, let's do that

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>>61714025
Based Monero devs pro-actively scaring users away from KYC'd platforms.

>>61714025
This FUD, too, shall pass.

>>61712865
its a slippery slope, "opt in" will become "the default."

>>61712990
>>61712561
>two wallets, creating a second wallet everytime you share your view key
>somehow this is considered progress

>>61712776
go to the monero reddit and check in, there are a few level headed individuals who are completely retarded like the anons here, who understand this will ruin monero. jidf has their hands in monero tranny anuses.

>>61715296
how is it fud if its actually a logical take, based on everytime someone gave a higher authority an inch? they always take a mile, especially when there is a mole on the inside.

>>61716827
>"opt in" will become "the default."
Says who? Gonna give you a real XMR haxxor pro tip: Keep the wallet offline.

>>61716827
>based on everytime someone gave a higher authority an inch?
We're not giving any authority anything. If they can coerce you into giving them your view key, they can also coerce you to give them the password to your device

>>61716866
>>61716877
>offline
>use it in any meaningful way for the next 10 years
btc doesnt even have that kind of use case

>>61716877
>We're not giving any authority anything
yes you are, thats what this entire thread is about. its an extra entry point for surveillance and you fuckers are calling it an upgrade.

>>61716866
>Says who?
He won't answer this

>>61716827
You still haven't answered how this effects anyone that refuses to use a platform that attempts to enforce this

>>61716920
>Exactly zero (0) arguments
Just shill me your solution and leave this thread

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Here you go retards

>>61717119
How is that different from the view key that already exist and have always existed?

I never looked into it because I never had any use for it. I thought having a view key was for public fundings and crowdfundingd for more public transparency or something.

Virtually no one is going to use it, who cares.

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So, is it over bros?
Do we sell and forget private crypto ever existed?

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>>61716920
> its an extra entry point for surveillance and you fuckers are calling it an upgrade.
If a user doesn't share the view key then what exactly is the problem? Even if someone you do commerce with happens to have a view key provided to auditors, then auditors can only see the amount going in and out and that's it. They can't even really see who sent you XMR or who you're sending XMR to.

Am I missing something? Why the fuck is every retard on Reddit trying to make something out of a genuine nothing burger? Someone genuinely help me understand this.

>>61717188
You can use view keys to accept and verify payments while never risking your funds if your thingy gets hacked.

>>61717119
>regards-guide
stop forcing this gay auto-correct meme in every thread

>>61717188
>I thought having a view key was for public fundings and crowdfundingd for more public transparency or something.
It's hard to do this with current view keys because you need to keep syncing all the key images of every incoming/outgoing tx, and sometimes the balance is still wrong. The new view balance keys does all that for you so it's right every time. In other words this was always supposed to work like this, and the devs finally got around to fixing it.
Funny enough, the people who might actually be the most afraid of this change are the shady exchanges who claim to have 1 million XMR on hand at all times but are ready with every excuse in the world when you can't withdraw

Monerochads i just finished my night at the bar. Do i buy now? I want to continue my generational stack.

>>61716827
>creating a second wallet
Well, even now, if you want to receive payments from multiple people, and you want to be 100% sure they cannot guess that you are the same person that they are all sending money to, you should have one WALLET per person that will send XMR to you. That's the only way to avoid a Janus attack if I am not mistaken. And, again if I am not mistaken, Janus will be solved in this hard fork, no? Or are Seraphis needed to solve Janus?

Imagine thinking an "export transactions" feature is surveillance.

That's literally all view keys are. It's like exporting a Word doc to PDF. And these "genuinely just asking questions bro" FUDsters are trying to deprive people of the best currency ever invented over it.

Fuck you people.

>>61717937
Propaganda is so fucking gay now, its just paid for spam over and over again. Monero isnt impenetrable but it is also not dying. Same spam on pol.

>>61717693
>That's the only way to avoid a Janus attack if I am not mistaken. And, again if I am not mistaken, Janus will be solved in this hard fork, no?
Correct and correct

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I'd attack her Janus with my hard fork if you see what I mean.

>>61717693
subaddress????

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Almost two decades ago my dad had a large pus filled abscess near his rectal region explode while we were in the room. I can honestly say that no smell on earth besides a dead body could rival the stench. It sent us running, I was near vomiting and my mom ran to vomit in the nearest bathroom to the point of almost fainting.

You are the large pus filled abscess of this General.

>>61717201
private crypto has one common enemy that starts fudding shit whenever a coin tries to break out, xmr, zec the same patterns repeat if only you retards were less euphoric and didn't start pvp'ing at every pump you would notice

bought back after selling the top
thank you for the free XMR

>>61720926
i think that's my short signal

>>61717693
cant you just used another address on the same wallet? does the anus attack negate that?

the new view keys are good you fucking retards. If an exchange makes you fork up your view key just send the funds to a new wallet.

The current view keys suck balls

>>61721169
No, because the wallet, by default will still spend outputs from both enotes you get. So you still get EAE'd. You gotta keep em separate

>>61720299
No, Janus affect subaddresses specifically.

If you pretend to be Alice and ask Bob to pay you in SUBADDR1.
Then you pretend to be Jill and ask Keith to pay you in SUBADDR2.
If Keith and Bob suspect that "Alice" and "Jill" are actually the same person, it's possible for Keith to construct a payment to SUBADDR2, that will be received by your wallet ONLY if SUBADDR1 is also part of the same wallet, but will LOOK like it's received by SUBADDR2! Once you under your "Jill" guise confirm to Keith that you received the money, Keith knows that you SUBADDR1 is also in your wallet, and therefore that you are also showing under the guise of "Alice".

Now imagine what happens if:
"Alice" is the identity you use when for your KYC account.
"Jill" is the identity you use to buy/sell Skooma.
Bob is your KYC exchange.
Keith is a corrupt Riften guard that traded Skooma with you.

Well, Keith now knows Alice is the one trading Skooma.

The only way to protect yourself from this is to NOT use the same wallet when you are pretending to be "Jill" as the one that you use when you are "Alice".

>>61722984
Janus is putting you in risk of leaking your identity even before you spend anything. All you need to do is confirm reception of the money through chat/email or any channel. Even the fact that you aren't complaining about not having received the payment like a normal person would do may be enough to betray you.

The only good thing about Janus is that it's not possible to do it on a massive scale. You have to already suspect the connection and use Janus to confirm it, because if you are wrong about the connection, you are literally burning XMR.

Really great news that it's getting solved >>61720165. Doesn't affect me but my OCD is triggered by little things like this.

>>61723369
Or just not use KYC shit.

>>61723473
Of course. But there are other cases where you may not want two fake identities connected. Keith and Bob may even be the same person, just at two different points in time, and you may not want that person the second time to know that you are the same person that sold them something in the past.

>>61720926
Why would you buy now when it's going sub 300.

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>retoswap added trade fees

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>>61723739
gross
its going to the monero general fund tho, right?

>>61723369
i kneel

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$470 stablecoin

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>>61725863
we can fix that

>>61723739
>>61723989
Of how much? I understand they need some money for the servers and such, so I'm not against small fees, but it depends on the amount.

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>>61727569
Kill yourself Shinji

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$1,600,000 in XMR would be a big help.

89UYMcPSR2UMZXC8d7p2HscFzEUZVEbWr6BFUahXCseT3vkdFoLs2LbGxVDrnpRWYji2Pu9KSeXBqHGydmq9ju7CJbAWvnm

>>61727569
>small but specific amount
>4 address, not an 8 one
You created a wallet and hope that someone will give you drug money instead of having to get the Monero yourself, huh.

Sorry, you'll have to get it like everyone else.

>>61704945
>Because that's exactly what happened to the CCS hacker.
except it didn't? no one cooperated with moonstoneresearch, they worked entirely on-chain, if they had a shitload of compromised nodes (like that 1/4 or so of current nodes now on the dns blocklist), and specially exchanges working with them they would had traced a lot more if not actually found the funds

>>61706004
>this is supposed to be a regression?
it makes it far easier, and permanent too, it makes monero even less idiot proof, it definitely facilitates all kinds of attacks regardless of whatever fluffy thief says since now you get two sets of data instead of one
yeah you can cope that fcmp++ will mitigate everything with the much larger anon set, it's still a regression for minimum convenience (better/faster/easier hardware/cold wallets and better transparency for public'ish wallets like the CCS fund)

a lot of people, including former devs like fluffy faggot, are pushing it as a way to progress monero, which is pretty ridiculous since about a year ago they were still making fun of coins doing whatever they could to hop onto defi hype and chasing price action

>>61710826
i don't know how people still listen to fluffy after the ccs hack and the complete lack of any forensics on his end

>>61717119
the fact that this disingenuous image doesn't say they can permanently view wallet balance and incoming/outgoing amounts really showcases they are not trying to educate people on the subject
the "forced to share" bit barely implies it if you already know about the subject
it also doesn't highlight at all the differences with the current view keys

>>61728242
>it makes monero even less idiot proof,
Then just have a warning in the wallet. It's not easy to make idiots perform additional steps for no notable benefit.

>>61728288
>no notable benefit
yeah, that's the problem, CEX relisting while asking for this would make them give their view keys, and since it's a do once thing they would simply forget about it, despite the big warnings convenient off-ramps will almost always win out

>>61728268
Just don't give out your view keys man. It's for niche cases.

>>61728308
>Normies can surely give the view keys, even if there are multiple warnings
>But they can't use an on ramp wallet
I'm so hungry and still you're just giving me nothingburgers :(

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The new view keys will not make exchanges relist Monero.
The reason Monero is delisted in so many places is because of Anti Money Laundering regulation that asks of exchanges to be able to prove that the history of the coin was not linked to a flagged source of sanctioned money and that even if it's not it can still be traced back.

This is not possible with Monero even if the customer gives his view keys, except if he solo mined the monero he has and the source of all his monero is literally the protocol reward.

You have no way of knowing where the Monero you have have been or what it has been used for. Exchanges cannot know it either. A view key won't change that. Even giving your private key won't change that.
Monero won't be relisted.

>>61728438
do you seriously believe the majority of monero users has good opsec?
still, you're right, the increased anon set from fcmp++ would mitigate this so a nothingburger in the end, specially if carrot also increases adoption which is something they're pushing (though that's pure speculation)
however it's a massive change from the core monero value of not compromising privacy for convenience, none of the benefits from OVK's are necessary for monero to function
>>61728444
>This is not possible with Monero even if the customer gives his view keys, except if he solo mined the monero he has and the source of all his monero is literally the protocol reward.
they probably can, AML doesn't force you into perfectly tracing each coin, even for bitcoin that's not quite possible, the current view keys could be enough to do it (though in their current form extremely impractical), CARROT view keys would make it way more practical
dunno if any cex would try, at least with the current view keys they simply delisted instead of trying to work it out at all, it wasn't economically viable for any of them
https://perkinscoie.com/insights/article/anti-money-laundering-regulation-privacy-enabling-cryptocurrencies

>>61728467
>do you seriously believe the majority of monero users has good opsec?
Acceptable I'd say. Outside of moonfags and the five normal people Doug converted to also accept XMR payments in their irl shops people come to XMR precisely because they're interested in opsec. I'm still of the opinion that wallets should just give a warning that says users are required to really think this through and give the option of having an on ramp wallet.
From what I heard CARROT is not supposed to be pushed before we have fcmp++ so this only increases convenience. I also side with >>61728444 that this won't cause relistings.

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Scaring n00bs away from CEXs with baseless FUD is actually kinda based.

>>61696640
Is Monero privacy protocol really the best? It is shielded by default which is good, but how anonymous is it really compared to other privacy cryptos?

>>61730895
Yes, it's the best. That's why criminals use it.

>>61728482
>the five normal people Doug converted
kek

>>61728208
>no one cooperated with moonstoneresearch, they worked entirely on-chain
They were given the private keys to the drained CCS wallet, so they had the view keys and key images of the wallet, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to do any of this tracing.
>if they had a shitload of compromised nodes (like that 1/4 or so of current nodes now on the dns blocklist, and specially exchanges working with them they would had traced a lot more if not actually found the funds
No because no amount of cooperation between the exchanges and/or BS companies would have given them the view keys or key images to the victim's or hacker's wallets.

Just going
>Nah, I'm good
Is enough to put a stop to any threat view keys pose. You faggots might as well be arguing that spend keys are a threat too since exchanges could require you to send them in order to trade on their platforms

>>61730895
>It is shielded by default
No, it's only 'shielded'. Every transaction (not just the ones that opt-in or not opt-out) can be in your ring. We have multiple mechanisms to ensure your privacy and anonymity stay intact like ring transactions (your transaction is combined with 15 other transactions in the eyes of an onlooker), anonymous wallets and subaddresses.
You should look into Breaking Monero on Youtube by the community group and some of the devs. It gives a fair view on multiple attack vectors and how we mitigated them. It's a little outdated by now, but the basics are still correct.

>>61727309
.5% for takers and .1% for makers
fuckin jews

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>>61732672
but teh fees are going to the genreal fund, right?
that was the original goal.
i dont give a flying fucking about paying that xmr if it is paying the devs

>>61696640
>buy monero

Ive honestly tried but there's like zero reliable and non shady ways to obtain it.

>>61732744
see
>>61696650
>or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app
https://orangefren.com
https://eigenwallet.org
https://basicswapdex.com

Or retoswap, an XMR-centric fork of Bisq
https://retoswap.com/

>>61732672
Less than one percent? It's great man, I don't mind it at all.

>>61732744
Just swap any other coin for Monero on Trocador.app.

>>61730895
Yes it is, and it has been field tested for years.
Criminals only trust Monero for a reason.

Try to buy some drugs on the darknet with Zcash, Dash, Litecoin, and get laughed at.

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$470 stablecoin

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Why was XMR almost $800 a couple weeks ago? Haven’t been keeping up with things lately, just hodling.

>>61735358
nobody knows for sure

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>>61735358
Several theories have been proposed (money laundering from a LTC hack, Iran hiding assets, random bump cascade after Zcash did the same, etc) but no one knows for sure.

All we know is that all the money that went into it soon flew out so it doesn't really matter.

>>61732744
if you already own crypto try https://www.wagyu.xyz/

>>61735358
Monerochan does stupid shit sometimes (we cannot stop her).

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1769697180073995.webm

time to buy weeeee

>xmr price is tied to BTC again
hyperliquid did a number on you guys

Hey guys, made a game that lets people bet SOL on their own thinking and writing, AI judges the answers and pays out the best one.

Made a topic on Monero, would love to get feedback :)

You'll need a phantom or metamask wallet and a bit of SOL to play

https://argyu.fun/arg/0592aec4-fa6e-4ad5-89e0-8defe562b70e

>>61739857
im gonna rape you

>>61739857
interesting idea. I'll bite

>>61740173
alright, I made my case....any other retards wanna take me on?

>>61739857
>AI judges
I can just:
1. send the question to ChatGPT
2. open a new tab, ask it to judge the answer and to provide a better one
3. GOTO 1

>>61739857
If you want to improve this, you could structure the process like a legal trial.

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>Haven't been back since the moonfagging up to 700, wouldn't sell for fiat anyways.
God damn I love XMR (sorry) I just love buying products p2p with my spooky internet money (sorry)! I don't care if my stack moons (sorry), I just love transacting!
>moonniggers tongue my asshole.
>glowniggers tongue my asshole.
XMR forever, see you gentlemen in two weeks.

>>61739159
When btc dumps, monero always dump.
Then it climbs back even if BTC doesn't (that's what just happened).

Easiest swing prediction.

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>>61743164
The entire market moves on BTC, stop obsessing over the price and start buying and selling products with XMR, that is the mission.

>>61743239
I have myself my mom and my friends on a solid DCA with Monero that I'm quite proud of. They are looking to save it for many many years and not spend it though.

>>61709595
how fucked am I for hodling on kraken

>t. just speculating not buying drugs on dark web

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>>61743483
>>61743483
Good start getting them some neros! But monero is cash, the power lies in transactions peer to peer, not holding indefinitely or for some fiat goalpost. Not that I'm hating on anyone holding XMR, but organic transactions is where the essence of the original cryptocurrency/cypherpunk ethos is.

>>61743536
Not fucked at all? Assuming you don't live in a banned country its just any other exchange asset, its not illegal in the us

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Monero is pozzed, another anon shilled Nerva on here the other week. I've been mining it on my old desktop.

>>61743797
Ty saar

>>61743548
I fully agree. After they get a couple of full coins (5-10) I could see them using it as intended very occasionally.

>>61725114
Monerochan is outstanding in her field

>>61743797
where ya gonna sell it?

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>>61743797
fyi, im that other anon fr fr. With the monero hard fork uncertainty about security and surveillance (especially the random reddit user post bans concerning it,) i had found nerva. It apparently was a fork of monero from a long time ago. All i got was pure shit and shills from the other anons on here.

>>61747536
Nerva was just relisted on nonkyc, despite all the criticisms about how old of a coin it was and how no one used it. Apparently I peaked some interest in it...

>>61747926
>fyi, im that other anon fr fr. With the monero hard fork uncertainty about security and surveillance (especially the random reddit user post bans concerning it,)
No one who's concerned about this has been able to explain how this effects anyone that doesn't share their view key, or any key for that matter.

i had found nerva. It apparently was a fork of monero from a long time ago. All i got was pure shit and shills from the other anons on here.

And there's the shilling of the umpteenth monero fork that's Different™. Nerva also has view keys btw . It's only a matter of time before they adopt CARROT and you're right back where you started. You're still doomed. Privacy is dead. Sorry anon.

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>>61748630
>No one who's concerned about this has been able to explain how this effects anyone
im gonna pretend you can read the reddit threads where they discuss it, there were many talking points including that the view key now includes all incoming amounts into the address, FOREVER. it can always be viewed. if enough of these are collected via kyc, extrapolated data can confirm who is sending who money. all the bad actors need to do is operate enough fake nodes or demand real nodes' compliance.

>And there's the shilling of the umpteenth monero fork that's Different™
if by shilling you mean being the same guy, yea its still me. there might be others, i have no idea. ofc nerva has view keys, as does monero. but the new monero fork CHANGES THAT, so i dont see how your comment is relevant.

im just a fan of nerva if its truly asic resistant. the fact that nerva is alive after all these years speaks volumes.

>>61748630
>No one who's concerned about this has been able to explain how this effects anyone that doesn't share their view key
Thousands of arguments on how ztrash "optional privacy" was bad.
Suddenly no one can explain why it's bad.

Fuck it was at 425 last night
4 FUCKING 25
I said, alright, when I wake up, we'll be at 390, then, and only then, will I buy.
Woke up, we're at 445.
I WILL NEVER BUY MY FIRST MONERO UNDER 400
Do (You) think it can? Or do I wait till it get backs to the 420s to buy?
Will be my first ever monero/crypto/coin

>>61748867
>Thousands of arguments on how ztrash "optional privacy" was bad.
Does Monero share your view key by default?

>>61748803
Now make the same argument with spend keys.

>>61747536
Just got listed on NonKyc today.

>>61747926
Thanks anon, you're the one who sparked my interest in it. I've been mining it ever since. People who don't see the potential value in a legacy privacy coin that's still working today says a lot about the tech behind it.

>>61748630
It's a legacy privacy coin that's been running since 2018, that alone says a lot about it. The code base is public so no one can come in and try and poz and backdoor the code like they're trying to do with Monero.

bought back in
as metals are rugging now is the golden time to shill for one last exit pump, we're doing the zec playbook

>>61749396
>It's a legacy privacy coin that's been running since 2018, that alone says a lot about it
Yes it does. This is not a good thing. See:
https://docs.nerva.one/about/

>Ring size: 5
Lmao

>>61749849
Except that XMR actually works and isn't paying twitter personalities to shill

Hi, I need to buy monero every once in a while and now that Kucoin and my shady no kyc exchange Weex both delisted XMR i'm obligated to use the fuckass atomic wallet swap feature which has very shit rates, making me pay something like 8% more than market rate every time. Is there a way to get better rates somehow somewhere as a frenchman (europe)

>>61751668
if youre doing crypto-crypto trades already just use trocador or orangefren where you can see the rates compared to multiple swap services at once.
also retoswap to keep doing p2p, also accepts fiat
>https://haveno.markets/market/EUR

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>>61750001
>ring size fud
Monero had a similar ring size starting out and yet here we are. The Nerva network is too small for a bigger ring size for now but it doesn't compromise it's security. The dev team will increase the ring size as the network grows.

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This is one of the developer wallets. If any anon on here can tell me the exact amount of XNV it contains, it will be yours.

>>61752301
assuming you really had the power to move the funds from that wallet into another anons wallet when they guess the balance correctly...what does that make you...a dev? an insider? someone with a backdoor?

how would you even verify the balance was correct if nerva was truly private, decentralized, and anonymized like monero?

kek

this feels shilly and you're terrible at trying to convince anyone this is legit idc where the code was forked from

>>61749323
>Thanks anon, you're the one who sparked my interest in it
You're welcome anon, unlike the shills, i'm not all doom and gloom and continuous accusations, even against monero.

>Just got listed on NonKyc today
Shit just got real... :D

>>61752563
it's in the discord lmao, you can go there yourself and talk with the guy

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monero said no to $420

>>61751668
Buy another coin, like Litecoin, then swap it for Monero on Trocador.
If you're lazy just get the Cake wallet app and buy LTC there before swapping to Monero on it too. Very slightly higher fees but it works well. You can use your debt card too.

>>61753629
I bought 1 LTC to keep since it's helped out the Monero and Wownero community for so long lol. I'm just going to let it sit another 9.8 years

>>61754252
Timing is strange.
>ZEC, the privacy coin that is not really private, pumps EOY 2025
>The market chose XMR instead of ZEC.
> January 2026, XRM dev team announce a view key.
It's like there are some actors that want a privacy coin, that is not really private, to emerge.

>>61754869
>> January 2026, XRM dev team announce a view key.
Feeling bearish if this is the smartest fudder we have

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>>61752301
2,200,000 whatevas

Send me my moneros

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>>61747306
cute!

>>61696640
How do I into Mining?
>2026-01-31 09:42:17.6041 Miner SHARE FOUND: mainchain height 3599709, sidechain height 758860, diff 146865460, worker thread 6/14
>check balance
>0 XMR

I tried using monero-wallet-gui with p2peer nano from the dropdown and after mining for 24 hours, nothing happened. All the necessary ports are forwarded.
I also saw a giant BLOCK FOUND message yesterday in the terminal mining for p2peer mini that I should have saved, but nothing seemed to happen.

>43ZqJ1vVKyehUH1Z4nR9F5BdjTyzJHiJ4E4XgJudMsHfL17aoDGvmYhF3XZs5BYxZuUxf93z98dXE5KCzwjCSyw6GpbkR7z

now I have monero how do I get dollar or silver

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This general sucks

Guys, very very very important question

Have we looked into if Monero is mentioned in the Epstein files yet?

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>>61756904
There's only a handful of mentions and it's mostly some cryptocurrency investment documents. This screenshot is the most interesting but it's something that was already known

>>61744891
Imma make her a little angry brother monero-kun

>>61751842
>>61753629
thanks i'll do that
monero love

>>61706759
>You still won't be able to send directly to a CEX from another CEX without compromising your privacy.
is this irony? i read it many times to make sure i was understanding... since when its been private to do anything from a CEX? they already have your keys and in fact they are not your keys, so they can see everything you do, there is no possible privacy while using CEX and i mean that it's literally impossible to do.

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>>61710826
>for those that live in more oppressive regimes to be able to comply
ah yes, i see we are taking the zcash route and making monero compliant with oppressive regimes instead of an escape from them.
Things are looking great, guys.

>>61758078
>Can't even understand basic sentences
>>61758207
>Has to fud not even 30 minutes after publicly embarrassing himself

>>61696640
Imagine you want to buy drugs "bro do you have monero" ahh it's sounds like a mexican scam

"Do you have Zcash?" sounds more for the streets and the economy is gonna get worse so a lot of people are gonna start buying drugs

Zcash > Monero

>>61758231
then explain to me this sentence since i'm retarded and you are so smart
>You still won't be able to send directly to a CEX from another CEX without compromising your privacy.
My point is that this is stating the obvious and there is no need to even mention this.

Also
>You still won't be able
You NEVER will be able to do that, this post makes no sense at all. I was reading this guys like he was someone who knew what he was talking about but for the looks of it, he is just a dumbass.

>>61758331
>My point is that this is stating the obvious and there is no need to even mention this.
That's the point. CARROT will not have any significant influence on privacy.

>>61758367
that post makes no sense and you know it, stop being so defensive.
Also, the argument I find valid is not related to the privacy technology itself, but to the new paradigm that this technology might bring: compliant wallets that can prove they have neither received nor sent XMR to or from other tainted wallets, versus other wallets that have not yet proven this, leaving them considered tainted until proven otherwise. This would create two sets of wallets—the compliant and the non‑compliant—making the latter unwanted and less valuable, and thereby rendering Monero non‑fungible.

>>61758442
>that post makes no sense
It's a sarcastic remark about the meltdown over a nothingburger.
>the new paradigm
That only works if there is a massive scale of collected view keys. I believe we can easily rule that out due to the mindset of the marketplaces that most commonly trade goods and services in exchange for XMR.

Oh no. I may have to use a Dex or p2p to buy monero anonymously without the help of a cex?
Surely this is the end of monero since we've never had to deal with this before