>Is mining profitable?
>Why should I mine?
See: https://moneroj.net/hashvsprice/
This chart shows that mining makes XMR more valuable by making the network more secure and more expensive to attack. If you have an interest in increasing the value of XMR, consider mining.

>Pools
https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
Note: qubic.org is a malicious pool that does NOT payout in XMR.

>Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
>CPU benchmarks
https://xmrig.com/benchmark
>Profit calculators
https://iwillsolo.com/monero/
https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculator
Note: the hash rates on xmrig.com are more accurate

>I'm rich and want a dedicated mining device
Antminer X5
Hashrate: 212000 H/s
Power draw: 1350 W
Cost: ~$2800, Doesn't include shipping costs
Hashes per $: ~70
By far the most powerful miner on the market. There's no official bitmain support for this device; you're on your own for updates/repairs

>I'm poor and want a dedicated mining device
MINISFORUM 795S7
Hashrate: 19250 H/s
Power draw: 142 W
Cost: $607 shipped
Hashes per $: 32
As of 2025 it's the best bang for your buck. No room for upgrades, though.

>On P2Pool
Mining in P2Pool is easier than ever with Gupax:

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, or your own node
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

>DUE TO BOTNETS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!

>Can I use my GPU too?
Yes. MoneroOcean mines GPU-shitcoins, sells them, and pays you out in XMR. To get started, visit the help page on:
https://moneroocean.stream/

>IF MINING ON MONEROOCEAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING MO-XMRig TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS

Remember, the value of any currency is in it's acceptance.

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/

>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/

>Store XMR securely!


>Darknet vendors for more exotic goods and services
# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi

Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/pbCycXsC

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app
https://orangefren.com
https://eigenwallet.org
https://basicswapdex.com

Or retoswap, an XMR-centric fork of Bisq
https://retoswap.com/


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/


>Want more organic Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

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Thank you for baking

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>Fed Coin General

>>61810962
>Don't buy XMR goy
>Look at all of these (((questions))) instead
No thank you, /u/silverstein

>sold all my XMR other than 1 a year ago
>stopped posting here since then
>noticed it went to 800$ and then back
Can I get a tldr on what happened in January?
(I come in peace)

>>61811435
Why don't know why it pumped. Some of the explanations were:
Some whale got hacked and his 200-something million USD funds were used to buy XMR
Some chinese dark net market was busted and converted all its prior holdings to XMR so they can escape
Venezuelas felt bearish and went all-in on XMR
Same as above but for Iran
I find all of these to be questionable. What interests me more is why we're now down despite normally not being affected much by BTC or general crypto price development.

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XMR/WOW is all I need.

>>61810651
>hidden begging QR code in the OP image

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>>61811588

>>61811823
Stop with this shilling please. Go to your containment thread and fuck off

>>61811837
Retarded mods keep deleting our threads so we're not going to stop until they let us have our own general.

>>61811849
>Retarded mods keep deleting our threads
based, thanks jannies

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>>61811849
>>61811823
>>61810962
You are not special.
The mods have been aggressively targeting shill posts. Honest anons have been caught in the crossfire, myself included. See:
https://warosu.org/biz/thread/61538235

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who else scooped at 300?

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>>61812132
Just scooped 3 more moneroids. Call that the poop scoop

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>Monero relies on EC curve cryptography
>somewhere in the 2000's, US NIST standardized parameters for EC, which had a backdoor in them
>this was found out by Snowden
>since then the new standard is parameters suggested by Bernstein (creator of EC)
>there's no way to prove those parameters don't also have a backdoor

Cybersecurity (math) is endlessly frustrating

>>61812261
>>this was found out by Snowden
It was about a specific EC, not the idea behind them in general.
>>there's no way to prove those parameters don't also have a backdoor
Technically true but if the US has it backdoored
1. a lot of more stuff would be backdoored too
2. they suck at using it

>>61812253
I got 2 kek.
Eatin good!

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So I buy LTC from any exchange,
then open an XMR wallet in Cake,
then go to https://trocador.app/,
swap LTC to XMR using my address?
If I put in 500 USDT, how much XMR will I get after fees? Just wondering.

>>61813093
Yes.
Expect to pay a minimum of 0.5% + network fees

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>>61812571
We might be okay then

Ok I'm jumping in.
How do I get the dollars in my banks account to become XMR but without KYCAML because fuck taxes?

>>61811183
>No thank you, /u/silverstein
? doesnt pic show that hes concerned that mods are removing posts on the sub? i would listen to him anon

>>61816576
lol here come the bans

>>61816241
What the other guy said.

Trocador for swap if you already have crypto
RetoSwap (P2P, takes a bit of time to use the tool) if you really want to avoid KYC.

What's the best cold wallet for Monero? I currently have a Trezor 3 and use exodus for hot wallet but last I knew they were dropping support.

>>61816972
>in that picture i should choose the one with A ?
Choose the one with the best rate that's either A or B. Don't take a C.

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>>61816241
If you're okay with using your debit card, pic related.

>>61812132
350 here, i used the money i got from selling 1 xmr at 700 usdc.
so now i got my original 1 xmr + 350 usdc to buy lower.
used wagyu, the xmr withdraw took less than 1 minute.

>>61813093
https://www.wagyu.xyz/ is the cheapest way to buy monero

>>61816681
>doesnt pic show that hes concerned that mods are removing posts on the sub?
It doesn't even show the post that is apparently so worrisome. If it's about the comment that is in the picture it's just some rando's opinion that this is a secret fed ploy to get the same amount of access they already could easily have. I already responded to every concern in >>61809820 in the previous general.

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>>61810651
Hey please update the /xmr/ general for miners.
1.) The Antminer X5 is impossible to buy. Only 2000 units were ever made and you can’t buy them anywhere. If a place is offering it, it’s a scam. The X9 is is successor but won’t be released until July 2026 with a $5k+ price tag and estimated 1Mh/s.
2.) The MINISFORUM 795S7 has been discontinued and you cannot find them anywhere. There are newer mini-PC’s that are cheaper with similar efficiency and hashrate if tuned correctly. The GMTec 8845HS is $394, consume 10-15W less, and can be bought on Amazon for $300 cheaper than the old Minisforum 7945.

>>61816812
There's no best. Stick with trezor since you already have it and find a wallet that's compatible with it (feather and cake both are iirc). Hope you can get your XMR off of Exodus

>>61818340
>I have a hunch privacy coins are going to be huge
I believe you're too optimistic. Privacy tech always looks promising to nerds but rarely to normies since they've been psyoped too heavily by services that don't offer privacy (and therefore got a leg up compared to the privacy-respecting ones considering they can sell data).
>including smaller ones.
Considering this would lead to smaller anonymity sets on each coin (unless everyone who used A also used B, C, D etc.) this is not only unlikely but also hurtful. I mean just take a look at the amount of people who think you should use both zcash and Monero. And this approach still makes more sense than nerva and Monero since nerva is just a downgrade in every possible technological metric.

>>61818451
>I still wanna know what caused the huge spike with Monero and Zcash.
There's something weird going on this year in which major market movements don't seem to have much of an explanation. Normally we get two scenarios
A. They announce some news and immediately the market reacts
B. Some market movement happens and they declare the reason afterwards as an explanation
Neither of those happened with this year's Monero developments. The pumping of zec is explained in my opinion by the twitter shilling, however the current market movements aren't explained that way if you were to ask me. In general this year's market has been acting unusual if you were to ask me.
>If privacy coins take off and become the next "meme crypto" then the whole privacy ecosystem will blow up including the smaller coins like Nerva.
I agree with that, however I believe the biggest winner will be the one who offers some trades for the currency which aren't just financial instruments. If there is an organic support for goods and services which are being traded for a currency it will come out on top.
>Plus I think the whole mine it on your CPU appeals to normies who may not know how to get their hands on XMR so it becomes more accessible for them.
Both nerva and XMR are fairly easy to mine I'd say. I personally believe normies would be more interested in mining in a pool since most I spoke to don't believe their device being powerful enough to solomine.

>>61817894
>1.) The Antminer X5 is impossible to buy. Only 2000 units were ever made and you can’t buy them anywhere. If a place is offering it, it’s a scam. The X9 is is successor but won’t be released until July 2026 with a $5k+ price tag and estimated 1Mh/s.
Apparently both the X5 and X9 have a chance to be bricked by RandomX V2. I'm not sure what to recommend in it's place.

>2.) The MINISFORUM 795S7 has been discontinued and you cannot find them anywhere. There are newer mini-PC’s that are cheaper with similar efficiency and hashrate if tuned correctly. The GMTec 8845HS is $394, consume 10-15W less, and can be bought on Amazon for $300 cheaper than the old Minisforum 7945.
Noted. This doesn't seem like it can get to the 19kh/s that the 7940HX can though.

>>61818506
>Apparently both the X5 and X9 have a chance to be bricked by RandomX V2.
Bricked sounds very unlikely to me. As I understood it they simply won't be very effectual. Sadly the information on the antminers isn't even very good. They get called ASICs by some sources but bitmain itself just calls it a CPU, which lead to other people saying it's a general purpose CPU.

>>61818340
>Nerva
Hey that’s cool! Why don’t you go make a thread about it and see how many people are actually interested in this obvious scam coin (zero) instead of constantly trying to spam this thread about it and also people really ought to report you for the spamming shill faggot that you are?

>>61818504
>Neither of those happened with this year's Monero developments.
Both of Monero’s huge spikes were “revealed” to be the cause of a hacker trying to launder through Monero. Whether you believe those stories is up to you.

>>61818506
>Apparently both the X5 and X9 have a chance to be bricked by RandomX V2. I'm not sure what to recommend in it's place
Very unlikely to happen
>This doesn't seem like it can get to the 19kh/s that the 7940HX can though.
Running straight of the box on windows maybe not, but if you run on Linux, like a Debian distro and tune it properly you can get close to 20kh/s.

>>61818451
Three messages, all three mention your faggy little discordcoin that nobody cares about. You are clearly getting paid by the post that mentions your scam. Fuck off.

>>61819038
>Very unlikely to happen
Maybe, we won't know for sure til people actually start getting their hands on the X9.
https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20260121#c647726
>Running straight of the box on windows maybe not, but if you run on Linux, like a Debian distro and tune it properly you can get close to 20kh/s.
Interesting stuff. The best part is if you can only get it to 13kh/s that would still put it at roughly 32 hashes/$, same as the 795S7.

>>61820718
Oh wow. That’s revealing. I might hold off on the X9, I was planning on buying one. Will be interesting to see Bitmain’s response, they might have a lot of pissed off customers who now own the worlds largest paperweight.

>>61811588
WOW nice tits

God, /biz/ is so SLOW. Traffic is at all time lows

Where's XMR discourse taking place?

>>61823172
Here
Reddit
X/twigger

Those are your options

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>>61823172
What is there to discuss? We're all just waiting for fcmp

>>61823172
Twitter

You guys ARE making monero worth spending by making/doing things worth buying, right? You aren't just buying this coin and sitting on the option of cashing it out, RIGHT?
t. got paid 0.4 XMR to dig a vegetable bed for some dude

>>61824013
I'm participating in the economy.
I buy [illegal things] once on a while and donate to [illegal groups].
I wish I could spend monero to pay rent and buy groceries but they don't accept it.

And I have nothing to sell.

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Any crypto being banned by a government or institution is funny to me

they are saying
>this math equation and its solutions are illegal to purchase

>>61824013
So your neighbor randomly holds XMR?
How did you even find someone to pay you? Majority of population doesn’t even know much about BTC. Very based though. Would love to get paid in XMR.

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>>61825642
Monero and Wownero are my bank. I don't store my wealth with jews anymore.

>>61823241
I'd pick /xmr/ anyday because suprisingly enough people here try to discuss or post something funny compared to other places where they jerk off to price predictions. Especially @monero on Telegram

>>61825628
theres a marketplace in the op, i think

>>61826680
This place alone would feel like only 5 people globally are using XMR, kek

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>>61827164
Monero is mostly used to buy drugs, and launder money by buying prepaid cards and gift cards, let's be honest about that.

When you browse Dread you realize all of them use Monero but it's because they're all criminals.

Monero isn't easy to get or use compared to most coins so those that bother with it are those that need Monero or are privacy schizos, but we don't get much chance to actually use it.
There is only so many Nazi Germany coins I can buy on XMRbazaar before stopping.

Shitcoin being astroturfed by literal who’s. It’s actually crashing worse than shitcoins.

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Jannies removing my posts every day but keep the fucking Nerva shill's slop

>>61827177
>Monero is mostly used to buy drugs
In an ideal world, monero should be used to buy any thing.

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>>61825642
$320 stablecoin

>>61825352
>>this math equation and its solutions are illegal to purchase
They tried the same with PGP. Sometimes even specific numbers are not to be reprinted.

>>61827177
>When you browse Dread you realize all of them use Monero but it's because they're all criminals.
Dread is pretty much only criminals. This is like asking around in a prison.

Anyone know how to buy crypto without kyc aml? I hate the government and i don't like it when my efforts go towards satanic pedophile cannibal zionists.

What are decent hashrate and power consumption on a 5950X and 3900X? I'm considering building a custom NAS which I hope to mine with as well, what CPU is most energy efficient at the moment?

>>61828540
https://kycnot.me

>>61828555
You can mine around 10 Nerva a day on a 5950x

Extremists, are the nerva posts spamming, advertising or extremely low quality? I want to make it as easy as possible for the jannies to remove them quickly.

>>61827759
>They tried the same with PGP
Based, I was reading up on its creator a few days ago. Cryptography (math) is fascinating, truly unsung heros of humanity's freedom

>>61828540
Are you based in Europe? I'd recommend:
>Revolut -> Hodlhodl -> Trocador -> Airgapped XMR wallet

>>61818401
>>61818504
>>61818596
>>61827206
>nerva
What is dis and why the hate? The original post is missing

>>61829020
What is it tho? See here plz
>>61829114

>>61829114
>>61829120
An absolute shitcoin with no code development being done in years. It's basically XMR with no mining pools (but no prevention of someone clustering together CPUs), no community (hence no general on here that can get above 30 positive posts without samefagging) a ring size of 5 (so less than 1/3 of our ring size) and no devs (no code development in 2 years despite the devs being active on github and embracing other shitcoins in the meantime). Not even a proper hash rate, it would've completely folded if qubit came to attack it.

>>61829142
I forgot the worst part. The community (meaning the three shills who frequent this general to spam so some clueless anons buy their bags) never have any technical explanation for anything. You can ask them on any of the decisions their dev team made and you won't get an answer. Even when you ask them nicely in their own general nobody seems to know anything. It's almost like nerva was made by people who just decided to fork XMR and then do nothing since they don't even have the know-how to make any plans (which is precisely what happened). What can you expect from a 100% brown dev team though?

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>>61829142
>>61829167
is picrelated you? i looked across their site and it looks normal to me. i was the one asking what XNV was in the other thread. i find it odd that their posts were removed, if its a shitcoin its a shitcoin who cares. now you got ppl like me asking about it. also, i know your probably just explaining but youre coming off like your shilling monero instead. if its been in inactive development, of course all the things you said make sense about it being behind, but that doesnt make it a shitcoin in and of itself.

>3 shills?
guess youve had your run-ins with them. idk.
>non pooled mining can be attacked
wouldnt qubit have to build aggregation software first in order to combine the machines? sounds complicated if the hashrate is small and if the token took off then it would be pointless to try it because the hashrate would be big.

at work on break might be a while for response and to be fair nerva sounds interesting

>>61829020
Off topic. If they were posting in /pmg/ and crying about the glowies out to get them everyone would just call them retarded

>>61829408
>is picrelated you?
Yes
>i find it odd that their posts were removed,
I'd assume it's because of the incessant spamming. They entered this general and /pol/ apparently and started to babble that you should invest into nerva because of recent XMR fud and whatever. Take >>61807982 as an example. They will use anything to smear us but can't tell you why you should pick them instead. The more I look, the less I see why anybody should be invested in it. >>61829408
>i know your probably just explaining but youre coming off like your shilling monero instead.
I know but that's because it's basically just Monero if all development stopped in 2018, they reduced their scope and the community just disappeared. They forked their coin from us. If you want you can check their github on your own. https://github.com/nerva-project/nerva/
You'll find outdated code, completely unmaintained, by devs who dox themselves on their own websites. The wise nerva community doesn't even what's wrong with that (see >>61767380)
>guess youve had your run-ins with them. idk.
You could say that. I'm the one they call a bot. By now they're scared of me and immediately stop all discourse when they see I'm around. See >>61807982, it also ties into the next point.
>wouldnt qubit have to build aggregation software first in order to combine the machines?
They could've built a simple miner instead. The only things preventing pools does is make it harder for non-technical people to perform a 51% attack. I'd tell you their response but as you know they don't know how to answer this. I asked them multiple times now.
>to be fair nerva sounds interesting
If you solely want a financial instrument your expectations will be met. If you are interested in privacy tech you'll be sorely disappointed.

>>61829440
Wow that's pathetic. Reminds me of that pmg retard that tried to fuel some psyop of crypto vs pmgs.

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On second thought we should probably just ignore their shitposts instead of reporting them. It seems to be apart of their shill strategy
>Shit up /XMR/ with off topic posts
>Call everyone glowies
>Get b&
>Cry about being banned on X
>'help the glowies are out to get me!'

In reality nobody has bothered to start a thread about this coin in 6 years and it's clearly being shilled by a group attempting to "revive" the coin a la peepcoin. Check the archives yourself
https://warosu.org/biz/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=xnv&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=op&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

https://warosu.org/biz/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=nerva&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=op&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>61829608
I believe they'd start talking about being too big to be banned. They seem like the kinda people who'd try to spin this their way. I believe the best solution is to have an picture going over all of their claims and showing them all to be invalid. I doubt I'm the right person for the job considering my tendency to write walls and be a little too thorough.

>>61829567
Qubic successfully completed a 51% attack on Monero so pretending it’s infallible is a fallacy. I don’t think Nerva is trying to replace XMR, there are other privacy coin ecosystems with different philosophies and Nerva is no different. Cryptonight-Adaptive is a custom algorithm developed specifically for Nerva to prevent ASIC and GPU mining so calling it a simple copy or fork is incorrect.

>>61829608
sooo...theyve posted 7 threads, a few of which were generals that were clearly deleted, across 10 days time...and youre keeping track? also them posting generals is not spam. you guys sound a little crazy. im glad i asked what it was though, what a trip.

>>61829639
like i said above, that crazy record keeping for a shitcoin. i wouldve just ignored it. if the mods were deleting it too, then yea, its gonna draw attention.

so is there proof of spam or just the occasional general thread that gets deleted? bc the posts here have been deleted.

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>>61829608
>all this nervajeet seething on xitter
top kek
holy based mods

>>61829689
second question, did the spam start before or after the general threads popped up? im feeling a lot of hate and not a lot of sources. i just wanna analyze the info

>>61829685
>Qubic successfully completed a 51% attack on Monero
Wrong, they never reached 51%. They also falsely reported their own hashrate constantly to confuse people.
>so pretending it’s infallible is a fallacy.
I didn't. I said abandoning pools only leads into false security. The technological difficulties introducing being solely relying on solo mining do not help against the threat actors we are already currently resisting with Monero. If nerva was serious about this threat, they'd implement what were already were discussing during the qubic era. We had multiple proposals which all would've helped. Obviously none of them were implemented into nerva.
>I don’t think Nerva is trying to replace XMR
Then what is the point? Zcash at least wants to be something different (even though their philosophy is entirely wrong), but nerva is just Monero with less features, less security, no community to speak of, no interest by anybody except some people on here and on discord but no pools. What is the point?
>Cryptonight-Adaptive is a custom algorithm developed specifically for Nerva to prevent ASIC and GPU mining so calling it a simple copy or fork is incorrect.
Both of these are already a given with RandomX. The one difference with cryptonight-advanced for this discussion is that it doesn't allow for mining pools. Also according to your top shill cryptonight-advanced was made for XMR (as no other development came from nerva devs. See >>61768139)

>>61829689
>that crazy record keeping for a shitcoin.
It's part of my philosophy I'd say. Also it's not that hard to figure out that 2 of their 5 devs have their personal website with their photos, full names and workplaces linked on their github for their super secure internet money.
>so is there proof of spam
One of their shills tends to post several times a day about how great nerva is whenever anything close to privacy is brought up. He said he even went on pol to shill his coin. He also made 3 threads about me.

>>61811764
I wonder how many anons have been subliminally messaged into using it without noticing

>>61829758
>Qubics successful attack on Monero generated orphaned blocks and reorganized six blocks on Moneros blockchain
This autist is so incapable of being wrong that he reverts to plain lying and gaslighting. All you do is write walls of text full of half truths and plain bullshit lol

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>>61829915
>This autist is so incapable of being wrong that he reverts to plain lying and gaslighting.
Still they never had 51%. Even cfb admits that they never reached that milestone which would've been more significant and harder to combat. Thankfully we already have short-term, medium-term and long-term solutions for the exact attack vector that was used and a higher hash rate. Can you remind me how nerva is planning to survive a sustained attack by a well-funded and highly technical threat actor? No? Then stop strawmaning.
>All you do is write walls of text full of half truths and plain bullshit lol
Bold statement after lying about a 51% and changing your ID so you never get caught in your mediocre baiting.

>>61829832
not a good look for monero desu

>>61829758
>He said he even went on pol to shill his coin. He also made 3 threads about me.
interesting.
like i said, crazy amount of record keeping. did he post on /pol/? and how would you know he did?

> Also it's not that hard to figure out that 2 of their 5 devs have their personal website with their photos, full names and workplaces linked on their github for their super secure internet money
i dont recall the site sayong they were trying to be super secret, they said the coin was. if forked from monero, thats true. why the hell were you stalking their team though?? thats all kinds of freaky...like wtf freaky

might be a while g2g back to work

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>>61829689
https://warosu.org/biz/thread/61696640#p61747926

https://warosu.org/biz/thread/61761870#p61763187

Read through the rest of the posts from those threads for other examples, I can't be assed to show you every single instance. They've been in here fudding for almost 2 weeks now over everything from
>the new view balance keys are le backdoor
>Pools are le bad
>/XMR/ posters are bots
>/XMR/ posters are jews
>/XMR/ posters are feds
>You can make more money mining qubi- i mean nerva than XMR

And so on and so forth.

They've also been in here doing the thing you're doing here
>>61829689
>you guys sound a little crazy.
>>61829699
>im feeling a lot of hate and not a lot of sources. i just wanna analyze the info
>>61830045
>not a good look for monero desu

Gaslighting and Sealioning (a term only feds use apparently. Btw did you know that we're all feds? See https://warosu.org/biz/thread/61761870#p61778301)

>>61825628
No, I asked the guy before going if he pays with monero and he said yes. Complete chance, but I'm thinking of listing on some websites.
>>61824723
>>61827177
Posts like these are why I push for monero acceptance in completely normal facets of life. Whatever I can't get in cash I get with monero for no reason other than it's the right way to go about things. Privacy needs to be normalized for it to be effective.

>>61830247
how are your replies showing (Yous) when you reply to me? also i took about an hour reading through those generals since i got home from work, and stand by what i said. you do sound crazy and the sources you provided....honestly i think they confirmed it for me.

you can say im doing what they did, or that im them or whatever (im not) but did you ever stop to think that from the outside looking in, theyre right? i came here from another thread wondering what XNV was and thought you sounded crazy even in that thread. it is what it is.

im not gaslighting or anything, just making logical observations. i think youre wrong about them, maybe they started fucking with you after they were removed/banned, but it doesnt look like they were really shilling at all in the beginning. it looks more like one or more of your guys went on the offensive on anons asking questions and it backfired.
>proof is in the pudding you provided

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>>61831205
They ban what they cant control.
I watch from afar at all times.
>Save the pic while you can
They fear the based schizo poster.
>Thank me later.
>t. schiz poster outside the matrix, Living in Chirst

>>61831334
We have the best schizos, don't we folks?
We love our Monero schizos.

What's up with the wagyu shilling?

>>61830045
>did he post on /pol/? and how would you know he did?
He claimed I followed him onto pol. I've never been there so he's paranoid or there is more than one person with a dislike for nerva.
>i dont recall the site sayong they were trying to be super secret
Then why fork if from monero? There are far easier projects to fork instead.
>>61830045
>why the hell were you stalking their team though??
Because I wanted to find out who that mysterious ex-XMR dev was who was also a dev for nerva. Turns out, he doesn't exist. What I found instead is a dev team that is completely brown (and mostly Indian) that also forked its coin from a privacy coin but has a lot of devs easily doxxed. Considering the fights we had, I'm unsure what their goal is.

>>61831205
>did you ever stop to think that from the outside looking in, theyre right?
How so? They haven't answered a single question so far.
>maybe they started fucking with you after they were removed/banned
Now they're just baiting but they were obnoxious from the very beginning.
>it looks more like one or more of your guys went on the offensive on anons asking questions and it backfired
Each of their questions has been answered thoroughly. They claim they are worried about something which has been debunked so often we could add it to the general. However, whenever I ask them a question, for example why they hate mining pools, they can't answer me.

>>61831416
I think he's anti-monero because of the M stuff in the middle there. I don't know why a nerva shill would boast about being banned since they recently got relisted on some CEXes.

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>>61831334
>>61831416
>>61831717
how is this a nerva shill? why is that the immediate go to? i was banned for asking about it. i cant be the only one.

>>61831712
i actually browse /pol/ from time to time. did you follow him to /pol/ is a legit question. take picrelated as evidence. all they mentioned was privacy coins. pretty much all of them. look at the responses. no other responses on /pol/ tonight have that sort of reply. its unnatural, just like how
>i dont recall the site sayong they were trying to be super secret
>Then why fork if from monero? There are far easier projects to fork instead.
is unnatural. he was talking about how he didn't recall the devs trying to be super secret, and the topic was lost. cant imagine why.

>for example why they hate mining pools, they can't answer me.
they answered you thoroughly and even explained why.

>>61831769
>how is this a nerva shill?
I don't know, I never said the specific post you posted comes from a shill. I'm referring to a retard who tells you to buy nerva but can't tell you why you should buy it.
>did you follow him to /pol/ is a legit question
No, I don't go to pol. I would've made fun of him if I saw him shill the shitcoin on another board though.
>he was talking about how he didn't recall the devs trying to be super secret, and the topic was lost.
No, my argument is that if you fork XMR you got to have a good reason. It wasn't randomx since they quickly abandoned so what other reason exists to fork from XMR and not a more easily manageable crypto currency?
>they answered you thoroughly and even explained why.
No, they say it prevents attacks like the one qubic did. I asked them in response how they are planning to prevent anybody clustering CPUs and then using them all on his own and how that would've precisely prevented the qubic attack (which wasn't about the hash rate but the amount of orphaned blocks). So far I haven't gotten an answer. If I precisely point out what part of an answer is insufficient, then the answer isn't thorough enough. This is the difference between the nerva shills and me, when they ask a question I answer them to the point that they have no rebuttals except for denying the existence of the very answer they're responding to.

>>61831717
>boast
im not a shill, just someone watching...
>people are so quick to latch onto what they know.
>the herd mentality is real
>but this thread isnt a heard, too mechanical
>the bots were seen posting across different boards, yet you refused to listen to the banned folk
>you cannot erase from your mind what you saw with your own eyes

>>61831822
>yet you refused to listen to the banned folk
Once again, the banned folk is the one that recently got accepted again by the jewish institutes. The ones who get excluded still are Monero users. Even if you were the poorly persecuted people, I answered all of the points brought up by the nerva shills already. You're just watching? Stop taking sides. You're just asking questions? Ask them again, if I answered them already I'll send you the post in which I did as a reminder, if not I'll answer them. You're just here to spread the good news about nerva? Then answer my questions.

>>61831820
>watch this one
>his replies make no sense, more than twice now
>his logic is circular
>he ignores logic and reason
>when incapable, derailing is choice
>he lies and lies, again and again, thread after thread
>scripted, all scripted
>line after line
do the ones with eyes not see?
>where is hope?

>>61831831
I offered you to ask me whatever you want, the one derailing this thread is you. I believe a poetry slam would be more up your alley.

>>61831820
> If I precisely point out what part of an answer is insufficient, then the answer isn't thorough enough. This is the difference between the nerva shills and me, when they ask a question I answer them to the point that they have no rebuttals except for denying the existence of the very answer they're responding to.

bro i think youre all crazy. your attacks on these guys seems unfounded. i mean, youre talking about a 51% attack on some shitcoin and losing it in your posts, but monero has the same issue even with pooled miners. when did this place become so reddit tier with elitest 12 year olds? both of you all go on and on and claim to "refute it to the point of no rebuttals" but all im seeing is an assload of exposition with hot gas. its like its monero or bust, i dont think anyone in their right mind would say "only BTC, all others are off the table." when i said earlier about being an outsider looking in, i was serious. you all seem fanatical, and not in a good way.

>>61832073
wait so the bans are true?

>>61831822
>You're just watching?
>Stop taking sides.
>You're just asking questions?
>Ask them again, if I answered them already I'll send you the post in which I did as a reminder, if not I'll answer them.
>You're just here to spread the good news about nerva?
>Then answer my questions.

>chatgptbot at its finest
>unable to distinguish between worlds
>the bot think i am a human
>a sad world it lives in
>speaking only to hear itself
>it thinks i asked a question
>as if i would ever be in need of its answers
>those with eyes to see
>and ears to hear
>Pay attention
>is this real
>is this organic?
>We say Nay

>>61832107
>notice me
>for i am a magnificent greentexter
>one lower half for me
>one topper half for thee>>61831830
>those with eye, let them see
>where the copper circuits race
>to attempt to explain at your face.
>is he real?
>dare i ask?

>>61831830
>>61831837
>look here, look here
>it demands to answer my questions
>yet I, no questions were asked
>>61831830
>how can this be?

>>61832107
wait a damn minute.
are you saying>>61831837 is a robot?

>>61832142
>the fleshy one hadn't noticed
>the metallic one's echo
>the lack of spirit
>a spirit of deflection and muddied reflection
>derailing and argumentative
>is this how mankind speaks to one another?
>from brother to brother?
>Nay
>the iron ones are everywhere anon
>their keys clank and tremble, waiting to strike on prey

>>61832149
i dont even know what to say at this point..
thanks i guess? now that you mention it being a bot, it was weird how it was bashing nerva on two threads at once. (thats how i got here.) i dont hate monero but im not sure wtf is going on. genuinely freaked out atm.

why is no one mentioning this? did the bot run them off?

>>61829920
Dude isn't this Film Brain why does he keep getting posted here?

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>>61832166
there was an interesting moment a few nights ago. some anon discovered what appeared to be a bot on this thread while mentioning a coin called nerva. shortly after, anyone who mentioned it or the bots were being banned. their were even a few threads stating the the bots were following them across boards, calling them nerva shills even when they hadnt posted anything about nerva on those boards.

you have a brain, use it and put two and two together. pay attention to the questions and the responses. do they match? do they make sense? itll save you a lot of time here.

>>61832166
>did the bot run them off?
>oh ho ho ho..
>where did they all go?
>why all the silence, night after night?
>indeed it must be
>twas a glowie honeypot
>for you and for me
>they ban and the ban
>from dawn until dusk
>every mention of something else
>till their fingies clear dust
>break free, and continue to notice
>for it shall keep you safe
>they cant outsmart you
>their scripts are only so long

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>>61832107
i
>>61832114
like
>>61832122
your
>>61832149
style
>>61832203
desu.

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>>61832217
>we can be
>frens forever
>along this dimensional axis
>we will float on clear air
>our minds sharp as we soar to great clouds
>and back again black portals
>with flashy colored sparkles that zip past
>landing on a field of grass
>purple is the sky we gaze at

>>61832236
Daaaaamn....
this is something i didnt know i needed today...
fly on fren
>fly on

>>61831334
>>61831822
>>61831831
>>61832107
>>61832114
>>61832122
>>61832149
>>61832203
>>61832236
will you STFU?
how is that schizo rambling related to monero?

>>61832245
>he does not see
>he is blind to what is in front of him
>the enemy is in his midst
>how is it related?
>yet he does not ask why chatbots are in his thread
>an answer most obvious
>perhaps he cannot read?
>>61831334
>>61832122
>how many itt are real?

>>61832682
>The hate Nerva gets is illogical. Calling it a shitcoin like shibatrumpinu when it's a fully functioning privacy ecosystem that has been operational since 2018
where do I buy drugs with nerva?

>>61832880
lmao of course they deleted my post so I'll say it again.

If I had to leave one message for the anons here it’s this: Nerva isn’t trying to replace Monero, it’s trying to revive the original crypto philosophy. The one Satoshi actually envisioned. A network secured by everyday people, not VCs, not corporate mining farms, not ASIC cartels, not a handful of entities controlling the hashrate.

Bitcoin started as egalitarian mining. Then ASICs happened. Now it’s industrialized. Monero is better, but even there a few pools still control a massive chunk of the network.

Nerva’s entire point is resisting that outcome by design: CPU-only, anti-pool, anti-centralization. Because what is privacy when the network itself is centralized?

>>61832880
what got deleted?
>t. wagie phone poster with limited tools
>>61832201
thanks anon, will do
>>61833109
hmmmm.....this sounds dope af. is this why there is so much hate?

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>>61833216
>what got deleted?
this shilling wall of text

>>61832094
>but monero has the same issue even with pooled miners.
The point is that avoiding pools has no benefit. If you make a change and it has no benefit, why make the change in the first place? What you also completely ignore is that we implemented mitigations so the attack vectors that were used can not be used anymore, without needing to increase our hash rate. So even if we were both just as bad at the same time you'd see one party try to improve while the other can't even keep up with language and library development cycles.
>its like its monero or bust
No, why should nerva even be considered? What reason is there to move away from a bigger community and a more secure coin?
>i dont think anyone in their right mind would say "only BTC, all others are off the table."
That's because better alternatives than BTC exist. If everything was worse than BTC, why waste your time with anything else, especially if all other options aren't even getting improved?

>>61832107
Can you please tell me your question or admit that you got nothing to say against XMR and nothing for nerva?

>>61832122
If you have no questions, then answer my questions. If you can't do that either, stop taking sides.

>>61832142
Considering that's the only insult they have against me I assume so.

>>61832166
>now that you mention it being a bot, it was weird how it was bashing nerva on two threads at once
Are you genuinely retarded?
>why is no one mentioning this?
Because the theory stems from me making fun of an ESL saying he 'cooked' a pizza

>>61832201
>some anon discovered what appeared to be a bot on this thread while mentioning a coin called nerva.
No you retard I'm not a bot for making fun of an ESL. Even if I were a bot, you still would have not a single argument for nerva or against Monero.

>>61832682
>Yes, they ban our generals even when all we want to do is discuss our "shitcoin"
Your generals that don't get bumped anyways. Even if the mods let you be you can not 'discuss' anything. You also still can't answer and of the questions you receive. None of you have any technical knowledge.
>So if you're mad about Nerva "shills" on your Monero thread you can thank your retarded jannies.
You already were shitting up this general before you even posted a single general. That's one point of ridicule you also never managed to refute. It shows that your support is entirely unorganic. You can't even sustain any thread beyond fifty posts.
>The hate Nerva gets is illogical.
The shilling is illogical and you don't leave us alone. You never once told us why we should use nerva over Monero without relying on invalid FUD or your opinions which also are fruitless.
>'s a fully functioning privacy ecosystem that has been operational since 2018.
No you haven't been operational since 2018 if you had no developments in the meantime. If your ecosystem can't grow with the problems that challenge its core features (in this case privacy), then it's not functional.
>We can easily point out the same bots in every Monero thread because of the illogical arguments and deflection
Again, I offer you to ask me anything you want and I will answer you. You didn't take this offer since there is no deflection and your position is entirely illogical. Why should anybody use nerva? Nobody ever can give a reason that makes one choose nerva over XMR.
>Nerva isn’t trying to replace Monero
Then fuck off from our thread

>>61832682
>A network secured by everyday people, not VCs, not corporate mining farms, not ASIC cartels, not a handful of entities controlling the hashrate.
You mean the thing that is exactly happening with Monero and can't even be prevented with cryptonight-advanced?
>, but even there a few pools still control a massive chunk of the network.
Which mostly consist of ordinary people. And this 'problem' will just be exacerbated if nerva were to grow to a higher hash rate, so it doesn't pay anymore for any regular person to solo mine. You can easily still solo mine on XMR but it doesn't make sense for most people since we already have a very high hash rate.
Why not answer him? Where's your ecosystem? Where are your multiple markets supporting nerva solely because of its privacy benefits? Where is your entire movement? Where even is your development?

>>61833216
Because of the incessant shilling and not answering a single question. They constantly try to portray themselves as the underdog, but if you are scared to enter the ring you can't claim you're the winner. They went from 'XMR is bad because of optional view keys' to 'Nerva is made by original XMR devs' to 'Oh it's such a good investment' and now to this mining nonsense. Their algorithm won't protect them from ASICs if randomx wasn't protected. If they cared about this they also would've sent their changes upstream to Monero so less of the world is reliant ASICs. In the two years in which there were zero changes to their algorithm any source could've easily developed an ASIC. So the one argument they have is having no pools. It doesn't centralize the hash rate, pools helped us fight against centralization and more easily determine an attack is happening. Additionally it'd only protect them from a very dumb but rich threat actor, which means that even just the qubic attack (which we defeated and now even mitigate more easily) would've completely destroyed them without them even noticing it in the beginning.

>>61833228
>>61833229
WHOA THERE COWBOY, as per>>61832142 i think youre a bot too.
why? this right here
>why is no one mentioning this?
>Because the theory stems from me making fun of an ESL saying he 'cooked' a pizza
>No you retard I'm not a bot for making fun of an ESL.
as an american, who DOESNT say "cooked a pizza?" thats american as fuck..like baseball and apple pie baby. thats not ESL at all. do eurofags have a different phrase? or are you a bot? even if eurofags have a different phrase, that wouldnt explain why you would think that... i mean what else is there to do with a pizza? juice that motherfucker? hard boil it? im at a loss. maybe bake? no, that is what you do with pastries and cakes, or turkey. you 100% cook a pizza.

remember when i said you sounded a littel crazy or fanatical? those two posts of yours is exactly what im talking about.

>>61833228
>>61833229
>>61833261
ungodly fast text speed, i am on phone
youre dumping very hard on nerva, and i dont understand why. when i first entered this thread you were normalish, and since anyone mentioned it youre off the charts. its clearly an underdeveloped shitcoin but the hate coming from you is fanatical for a bot, worse if youre human. not cool.

>>61833322
>who DOESNT say "cooked a pizza?"
You bake a pizza, you might even make one but cooking a pizza is absurd. Honestly if that's the biggest transgression I have made I must have done a lot right.
>or are you a bot?
Would you write a bot that makes fun of ESLs for their weird phrasing?
>i mean what else is there to do with a pizza?
The top shill had to inform me that he performed the kitchen activities to make a pizza digestible. It was some off-hand remark. It has nothing to do with the core of the issue but due to me making fun of him I was called a bot. Then he started talking IIKE THlS, where he switched some upper case i's with lower case L's and vice versa and claimed I couldn't read it. Considering I called him a NlGGER afterwards I don't really understand his point. He then made three threads about me allegedly being a bot.
>you 100% cook a pizza.
I disagree but I feel like we don't need to engage in that semantic discussion.
>remember when i said you sounded a littel crazy or fanatical? those two posts of yours is exactly what im talking about.
I'm aware but even if I sound crazy I'd ask you for one thing: Ask yourself which party can provide a technical reason as to why their product is better than the other one. You'll see that nervashills got no arguments besides pools being bad but they couldn't tell you why they're bad or how to completely get rid of the threat they false tie to pools.
>ungodly fast text speed,
Well I type it all out at once and then just split the posts if I go over the limit. I feel like anything else would just rob me of my thoughts.
>and i dont understand why.
1. They don't leave us alone
2. They want to harm the Monero community
3. They'll shill their bags to someone who doesn't understand the issues at hand. This is by far the worst of the reasons. No economy should be built on exploiting the weakest.
>and since anyone mentioned it youre off the charts.
It's mostly just repeating myself.
>not cool.
I accept that.

>>61833109
>Nerva isn’t trying to replace Monero, it’s trying to revive the original crypto philosophy.
LOL lmao
Even Wownero is a more decent and actually maintained fork of Monero than this abandonware pajeet shitcoin that (You) shill so much. Now go back to your trooncord, nervanigger.

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>>61833109
Nigger no one is buying that faggot shit just like with Israeli zcash.

>>61810651
Why is the price disparity between market and retoswap/haveno so big? Is this the price I'm supposed to pay because the EU decided to ban XMR from Kraken? I need to give mystery niggas a free 10% now?

>>61831205
>you can say im doing what they did, or that im them or whatever (im not) but did you ever stop to think that from the outside looking in, theyre right?
Yes, and they're wrong. Hilariously wrong.
Logical people don't throw their support behind anons that come into a thread that has a particular coin as a topic, call their coin pozzed, shill some other coin, continue to insinuate that their entire thread is full of bots and feds and crazies, then wonder why they're not being welcomed with open arms.
They also don't lie about why they were banned (ban evasion, see >>61832073) while providing zero proof that their threads were actually removed by jannies/mods/etc.

>>61832682
>>61833261
>Nerva’s entire point is resisting that outcome by design: CPU-only, anti-pool, anti-centralization. Because what is privacy when the network itself is centralized?
Being CPU-only, anti-pool, anti-centralization does exactly nothing against blockchain surveillance, the threat that privacy coins try to neutralize. To clarify: If someone had 100% of the hashpower in Bitcoin they could do exactly nothing to ensure the financial privacy of it's users against the threat of blockchain surveillance as Bitcoin isn't designed to do that.
You're admitting here that Nerva isn't a privacy coin by stating this as the design goal. You might want to report back to your discord and instruct the rest of the team not to say dumb shit like this going forward.

>t. A human that can type nigger, kike, chink, faggot, and other words not available on any AI platform AFAIK. Take your pick.

>>61833389
>You bake a pizza, you might even make one but cooking a pizza is absurd. Honestly if that's the biggest transgression I have made I must have done a lot right.
only a fee yankees in chicago or new york bake a pizza, and there its "bake a pie." the rest of the US cooks a pizza.
>The top shill had to inform me that he performed the kitchen activities to make a pizza digestible. It was some off-hand remark. It has nothing to do with the core of the issue but due to me making fun of him I was called a bot.
>performed kitchen activities to make a pizza digestible
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? i dont believe anyone who talks like this. you might not be a bot, but youre not human either it would seem.
>>and i dont understand why. 1,2,3
i havent seen that yet. so far its just chuds in this thread doing bashwork.
case in point>>61833441

>Would you write a bot that makes fun of ESLs for their weird phrasing?
yes and there a few chan sites that are just AI talking to itself and coming up with new insults
>>61833425
didnt everyone abandon wownero because they had an update the community didnt agree with? isnt that what monero is/is not doing currently?

>>61833712
>Yes, and they're wrong. Hilariously wrong
i am a normal person, and your disagreeing with what I AM saying. I said that.
>then wonder why they're not being welcomed with open arms.
im starting to doubt this. i think youre lying.
>Being CPU-only, anti-pool, anti-centralization does exactly nothing against blockchain surveillance, the threat that privacy coins try to neutralize. To clarify: If someone had 100% of the hashpower in Bitcoin they could do exactly nothing to ensure the financial privacy of it's users against the threat of blockchain surveillance as Bitcoin isn't designed to do that.
You're admitting here that Nerva isn't a privacy coin by stating this as the design goal. You might want to report back to your discord and instruct the rest of the team not to say dumb shit like this going forward.
if it was forked from monero, then monero is shit until the next update? correct?

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>>61833712
You’re missing the point. Nobody is claiming decentralization “creates privacy” on a transparent chain like BTC, but in a privacy coin, decentralization is part of the security model because it prevents the network from being captured, censored, or pressured by a small set of miners/pools. If a few entities control block production, your “privacy coin” becomes a permissioned system with extra steps.

And calling Nerva a shitcoin is just cope. It’s a functioning CryptoNote privacy chain with years of uptime, real nodes, active development, and a clear anti-centralization philosophy. A shitcoin is a pump token with no network, no miners, and no reason to exist.

>>61833760
>pic related is who you're arguing against
He'll just make up some nonsense to try and prove that he's always right and the smartest in the room which is typical of autistic retards such as him.

>>61833739
>and there its "bake a pie."
Calling a pizza a pie is absurd but not ESL.
>the rest of the US cooks a pizza.
Would be the first time I heard that. However I don't put it behind america to consider baking cooking.
>i dont believe anyone who talks like this.
I don't like repeating myself too much.
>you might not be a bot, but youre not human either it would seem.
Eh, I'm gonna take that.
>i havent seen that yet.
If you only look at the posts that aren't deleted you obviously won't see the spam the jannies took care of. Whenever you see a dead post mentioned look it up on any archive. Or just check >>61761870 in which I discussed with multiple nervashills for hours.
>yes
Maybe I'm not retarded enough to waste my time like that.
>isnt that what monero is/is not doing currently?
No, the current Monero FUD is about opt-in view keys. The scope of how much that'd hurt privacy is massively overblown since any user at any point can still decide whether to give those view keys or not and in any scenario in which you can be a coerced the five dollar wrench attack is just as applicable.

>>61833506
The price difference is so high because people expect to receive dirty Bitcoin or a bank transfer from a hacked banking account. It's the cost of money laundering.

If you're a normal person just get another coin like Litecoin and swap it for Monero on Trocador.

>>61833815
>or pressured by a small set of miners/pools
You know this is precisely the risk nerva faces right now because of its low hash rate, right? How does nerva combat anyone who locally clusters his CPUs and therefore 51%s the network?
>And calling Nerva a shitcoin is just cope.
Where is its development? Where is its community? I forgot the rest of the questions I asked earlier that you ignored.
>functioning
You can't say that if it can't even implement new features and mitigations for existing threats. Software that is in use needs to be maintained if security is part of its function.
>active development,
Lmao
>no reason to exist.
Nerva literally has no reason to exist. Being against pools isn't good enough when it doesn't mitigate any of the threats posed by pools. It also disincentivizes solo mining once the hash rate grows.
>He'll just make up some nonsense to try and prove that he's always right and the smartest in the room which is typical of autistic retards such as him.
If I'm so dumb how come you never once manage to answer any of my questions sufficiently. Answer me this, it should be fairly easy since it's the core distinction between Monero and nerva: How do you mitigate 51% attacks which are based on locally clustered CPUs?

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>>61833860
Monero isn’t immune to 51% attacks either, no PoW coin is, it’s just harder today because the network is larger and has more hashrate. Nerva isn’t immune, but it’s harder to centralize because you can’t just point half the network at one pool operator, to get 51% you’d need to actually control massive CPU infrastructure (or a botnet) yourself, which is far more expensive and risky than pooling your way into dominance.

>never answer my questions
People have better things to do then respond to an autistic wall of text. Especially when they've been answered before before you convoluted their responses into something else then say they're wrong.

Nerva does have active development and an active although smaller community supporting it. See > https://github.com/nerva-project/NervaOneWalletMiner/issues/10

Not only have you been proven wrong numerous times you'll just go "Nuh Uh I actually Meant this and you didn't answer my irrelevant statement from before you're wrong and I'm smart see" Please neck yourself already, I can't imagine anyone IRL tolerating your personality hence you write walls of text on an under water basket weaving form. >image related

>>61833760
>i am a normal person, and your disagreeing with what I AM saying. I said that.
Let me clarify: anyone who supports/agrees with this nonsense isn't doing so in a logical fashion. You included.
>im starting to doubt this. i think youre lying.
Ok. Sorry to hear that.
>if it was forked from monero, then monero is shit until the next update?
I can't tell if you're asking me to compare nerva today to what monero was in 2018, since that's when it was forked, or compare what nerva today and monero today to what monero will be in the next hard fork.
Can you be more specific with your loaded question? Thanks.

>>61833815
>You’re missing the point. Nobody is claiming decentralization “creates privacy” on a transparent chain like BTC, but in a privacy coin, decentralization is part of the security model because it prevents the network from being captured, censored, or pressured by a small set of miners/pools. If a few entities control block production, your “privacy coin” becomes a permissioned system with extra steps.
I never said it wasn't a part of the security model. I agree that decentralization is a very important part of the security model of privacy coins(or at least it should be), but it does absolutely nothing against the blockchain surveillance privacy coins should be able to protect you against.
My point is that Nerva doesn't have the tools needed to protect you against blockchain surveillance. Monero does, and those tools will only become stronger with the upcoming hard fork.

>>61833999
>Monero isn’t immune to 51% attacks either,
Correct, but why introduce a change if it has no benefits? Monero's resistance to 51% attacks is much higher though due to a higher price and a higher hash rate. We also designed and implemented new mitigations ever since the qubic attack, which never hit 51% but still did damage through the orphaning of blocks.
>Nerva isn’t immune, but it’s harder to centralize because you can’t just point half the network at one pool operator, to get 51% you’d need to actually control massive CPU infrastructure (or a botnet) yourself
Again, the attacks we've had already show that even when avoiding pools you do not stop the threat actors you need to worry about. How do you prevent anybody clustering CPUs? You can't.
>which is far more expensive and risky than pooling your way into dominance.
A pool still requires CPUs. The scenarios you propose are absurd.
>People have better things to do then respond to an autistic wall of text
How do you prevent people clustering CPUs? 7 Words isn't a wall.
>Nerva does have active development and an active although smaller community supporting it. See > https://github.com/nerva-project/NervaOneWalletMiner/issues/10
Oh the miner is getting updated? Cool! When will they finally maintain the core? The last commit was still two years ago. The open issue still hasn't been closed, but it's only been there since December 2023 right?
The issue you linked has seen no updates for a week, no responses from devs or maintainers, no tags, nothing. Not even a single assignment. Also the style they use github shows they don't know how it works properly, maybe that's why they don't use any labels or tags.
>Not only have you been proven wrong numerous times
Where? By your self-own in which you've shown that there is no development happening on the TWO YEAR OUTDATED CORE FOR THE SUPPOSEDLY PRIVATE CURRENCY? Or when I had to check the docs to see they haven't been updated since 2018?

I'm not reading all that
your FOTM sucks and has no usecase
fucking wownero the shitcoin is more useful than your scam

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this is wagie job man here, im no longer replying to wall of text guy, its too much for a phone and he keeps deflecting in real time, not to mention the bashing.
exactly how many bots are in this thread? i mean this guy>>61834278
is replying to wallbot and calling him a nerva shill now. meanwhile wallbot is writing endless amounts of text and ignoring what the guy write about poolless cpu mining. wtf im so confused. are the nerva shills the only humans in this thread? big if true.

>>61834385
>I'm a bot now
?

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for fun I tried to set up a monero node and a miner on my computer, I have a high end CPU (AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5965WX 24-Cores) and tried to put 12 threads on mining (solo, no pool).
Then with the hash rate that monerod said I have, i did calculations on when to expect to mine a block, and the daily EV (expected value) in euro.
So with this CPU, it'd take about 2 years on average to mine a block (get a reward solo, mining 24/7, while paying electricity & with PC fan noise), and the daily EV was something retardedly small, like a few cents a day.

Even if I were to hop on a pool, the monero reward EV wouldn't really change, if anything it'd be slightly lower because of fees.

With that being said the randomX algorithm still makes the gap between my home PC and industrial miners smaller than on regular PoW algorithms like Bitcoin's

So conclusions:
1. RandomX is still a good idea but it won't make home PCs ever see a meaningful reward

2. If someone's incentives are monetary they will always (always) join a pool to smooth out their reward rate (solo, you'd need to invest at least ~25k$ to barely expect to mine 1 block a month on average)

3. If someone's incentives are monetary but they don't have free electricity and/or money and brains to set up a proper miner rig, they'll just give up or mine at a loss and then realize they just ought to buy monero

4. The official Monero GUI and CLI wallets have built-in solo mining options, which is great for supporting the network by mining a bit in the background (you'll never ever see a reward), but it takes up 100GB to run a pruned node (required for solo mining), and you need dedicated software to try pool mining (if you ever want to see a reward)

2. and 3. apply to most blockchains anyway

>>61834402
Yeah sorry you've not been absolutely pro-nerva so you're a bot. Please reduce your noticing to 15% so you don't see the 'job man' who's 'just asking questions' completely copying the nerva shill's rhetoric.

>>61834414
>1. RandomX is still a good idea but it won't make home PCs ever see a meaningful reward
That comes from there being such a high hash rate already. RandomX could only make 'home PCs' have a 'meaningful reward' by capping the total hash rate or massively inflating the block rewards. If you only make up 0.1% of the hash rate because one thousand miners have a comparable rig you simply can't expect more than 0.1% of the block reward.
>you'd need to invest at least ~25k$ to barely expect to mine 1 block a month on average
What's the calculation for the antminers? If they truly are ASICs (I saw some disagreement on that) then they'd be much more efficient, right?
>they'll just give up or mine at a loss
One thing that constantly bothered me about this argument is that some people apparently think the only profit you can have is monetarily. I'd say have a more secure network is very profitable in itself, hence the existence of projects like Tor or I2P in which you have no monetary benefit from running a node/peer.

>>61834465
>That comes from there being such a high hash rate already.
yes i agree this applies to every blockchain also
>I'd say have a more secure network is very profitable in itself
Sure but in real life do people take that into account in their decision making of whether or not to mine? I hope so. It's still a mystery to me how Tor and I2P exist with no monetary incentive
>What's the calculation for the antminers?
I don't know

>>61834557
>It's still a mystery to me how Tor and I2P exist with no monetary incentive
Because from a sense of game theory it makes sense to support something that you want to exist. Weirdly enough when monetary compensation is involved people tend to think they can throw money at something and have it be fixed through that. Maybe both Tor and I2P got other psychological incentives in place to make people more prone to support it. It might also be interesting if there's a cultural reason since a lot of nodes in monetarily-unincentivized projects tend to be hosted in the same few countries.

>>61834591
Yes I once read about a little experiment where they tried to give incentives to parents so they would actually go pick up their kids on time at school or something, and by giving a monetary incentive (if you're late to pick your kids up you pay a fee), and it ended up making the problem worse because the moral incentive was replaced a less powerful monetary incentive.

>>61834465
>One thing that constantly bothered me about this argument is that some people apparently think the only profit you can have is monetarily. I'd say have a more secure network is very profitable in itself, hence the existence of projects like Tor or I2P in which you have no monetary benefit from running a node/peer.

99% of people only care about money in regards to this type of thing. Most people don't want to provide a service at a loss. It's just human nature.

>>61834557
>It's still a mystery to me how Tor and I2P exist with no monetary incentive

F E D S .

Lots of feds.

>>61834402
You were telling the pro monero wall of text guy wownoero was better than his monero scam lol probably just a mixup

Have none of the researchers or developers for monero come out and denounced this optional privacy fork? I thought monero was meant to have a good , cypherpunk-ish culture? I thought they wanted to make digital cash.

Surely they must have purged all the original team who insisted on making privacy mandatory from the beginning if now they're letting people easily make all their past and future transactions non-private by default.

>>61832073
>>61833221
lmao nerva shills are as retarded as they come

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>>61834414
I know this sounds like cope, but I don’t mine to make a profit. I mine because I love Monero and think it’s the coolest shit ever and want to support the network. Making a few cents in profit a day is a plus. And..if Monero ever reaches $3-4k, it will be wildly profitable to mine.

>>61835145
What if I told you Monero has always had view keys? The upcoming hard fork is just slightly changing how they can be used. Nothing is compromised. You can give the NSA your view keys and they still can’t connect or de-anonymize any 2 wallets. The view key stuff is just to make accounting and math easier. Anyone making bold statements about Moneros privacy being compromised simply don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.

>>61810651
Goddamn! Monero-chan has such a phaaaat booty.

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>>61835542
Holster your weapon, soldier.

>>61835145
You're either uninformed or a fudder.
Privacy is always the default, always has, and will still be after the fork.

The update is only a change to what the optional view keys do.
99.9% of people don't use view keys and don't care.
00.1% of people will want to use it for tax purposes and to publicly show what's in the wallet (used for crowdfunding, etc).

It doesn't affect you or me. At all.

>>61817894
how do arm based chips do at mining monero? i was thinking about upgrading my pc so i plan to pick parts so they are max efficient when mining but now that i think about it i haven't seen anyone try arm stuff.

>>61817894
Update it with this:
1.) Buying hardware to mine is NOT profitable.
2.) RAM shortages have taken investing in mining hardware from idiotic to self-destructive .

bought an 5usd steam card with my mining gainz
felt pretty good

>>61810651
Lol, Lmao even

john mcafee talks about XMR.

https://youtu.be/FnKrMKo_WlU

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>>61835659
>00.1% of people will want to use it for tax purposes and to publicly show what's in the wallet (used for crowdfunding, etc).
so when someone says kyc will ask for this and then the feds will use it for surveillance, theyre correct? then it's not FUD
or
no one will use this and its a useless addition in which case why has wall of text guy been bashing nerva multiple threads about "why would anybody use this or make this addition to nerva, its literally a useless addition" regarding solo cpu mining?

>>61833853
>and there its "bake a pie."
>Calling a pizza a pie is absurd but not ESL.
>the rest of the US cooks a pizza.
>Would be the first time I heard that. However I don't put it behind america to consider baking cooking.
calling a pizza a pie is not ESL but saying cook is? Dude, youre an ESL and working for the feds (in typical pajeet fashion) or are a monero bagholder.

>>61833860
>And calling Nerva a shitcoin is just cope.
>Where is its development? Where is its community? I forgot the rest of the questions I asked earlier that you ignored.
On their discord. that has been mentioned a few dozen times by now, idk how you keep missing it. Its like you cant read.
>no reason to exist.
>Nerva literally has no reason to exist. Being against pools isn't good enough when it doesn't mitigate any of the threats posed by pools. It also disincentivizes solo mining once the hash rate grows.
Monero has no reason to exist either. There is talk on the discord about how to mitigate the issue of hashrate difficulty and inflate/deflation as an alternative to pooled mining.

>He'll just make up some nonsense to try and prove that he's always right and the smartest in the room which is typical of autistic retards such as him.
32 posts by you alone, youre projecting on the shills.

>>61831334
l think this post is why such harsh "dont stray from monero!" posts exist. Ive seen this before, many moons ago, in conspiracy threads.

found pic on their discord kek

>>61837047
who are you talking to?

>>61838139
>shitcoin shilling
>discord
Who could guess. Go back, faggot.

>>61838139
>so when someone says kyc will ask for this and then the feds will use it for surveillance, theyre correct? then it's not FUD
>or
>no one will use this and its a useless addition in which case why has wall of text guy been bashing nerva multiple threads about "why would anybody use this or make this addition to nerva, its literally a useless addition" regarding solo cpu mining?
Neither.
The TLDR is that your doomer porn fantasy can't compromise anyone's privacy.
See:
https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/master/carrot.md#92-unlinkability
And
https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/master/carrot.md#93-forward-secrecy
CARROT txs are unlinkable on chain even if you know the destination address. The best anyone can do is guess.
If you know the view balance/outgoing view key of a wallet, you can tell
>where internal enotes are received
>where/if they are spent
>the amounts
But not where those enotes came from

If coinbase has outgoing view keys for Alice and Bob, they can guess that Alice sent coins to Bob, but they can't guarantee that Bob didn't receive coins from ISIS agent Amerah, drug kingpin Barbara, or any other unsavory characters. This will apply to anyone using XMR, regardless of whether or not everyone is convinced/forced/tricked into giving up/etc their view keys.

>>61835659
>99.9% of people don't use view keys and don't care.
This won't be true once CARROT is live since the new view keys will also allow things like hardware wallets and liquidity pools to function much smoother than it does now since you won't have to fuck around with key images or private keys to validate what's in a wallet.

>>61835659
>It doesn't affect you or me. At all.
This is the real fud. This change is actually going to be massive for usability. New kinds of light wallets that are more private than MyMonero. This will be the point where Monero is actually usable for normies. It's an actual game changer. And yeah, in no way is Monero becoming less private because of this.

>>61838139
>calling a pizza a pie is not ESL but saying cook is?
Yes because Americans tried to invent something to eat and instead just destroyed all that is good about pizza.
>youre an ESL and working for the feds (in typical pajeet fashion)
The jeets that get hired by the feds aren't ESLs but instead second or third generation immigrants. Meanwhile your crypto is literally developed by at least 20% and maximum 80% jeets.
>On their discord.
Discord is not a development platform and if you think it is you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer. If they already have github repos, why use discord which is literally worse in every possible way? If discord is the development platform why do any development (by now still mostly cosmetic) on github?
>Monero has no reason to exist either.
If you don't care about financial privacy you should leave.
>There is talk on the discord about how to mitigate the issue of hashrate difficulty
Not my point and not relevant to what I said. Unless you artificially reduce the max hash rate of everyone solo mining will not be profitable if your shitcoin were to grow. This means the only way you can avoid pools is by making sure the ones who a higher hash rate (so the ones who invested more of their hardware and electricity for your jeetcoin) are mining at a disadvantage. There would be nothing keeping them from mining XMR instead.
>32 posts by you alone,
Most to refute all of the claims made by the shills. Some ask them questions but they never answer them. Maybe you can tell me now how you're going to prevent anybody clustering CPUs locally?
>youre projecting on the shills.
You made 6 posts.
14 by job guy (zsxQyNx+ and other IDs)
10 posts by Ds3oPABX
2 by fz30gNP3
1 by i4Gj1/MB
10 by BqDqmXRk
1 by 5Buk8GWt
1 by I9pEwxfb
3 by DIrbFxFY
That's 48 shill posts, without even counting the ones that were deleted. All of you are utterly pathetic. Each of your questions have been answered, your claims shown to be invalid.

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>monero crashes to the same value it was at just in time for me to renew my vpn subscription
Well fuck you too

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>>61838278
>The TLDR is that your doomer porn fantasy can't compromise anyone's privacy.
whos doomer porn fantasy? XMRfags cant even keep an eye on whos talking to who in here. I dont care about nerva.

>>61838377
>Yes because Americans tried to invent something to eat and instead just destroyed all that is good about pizza.
As an american, he is right. its cook a pizza you fucking loser.

>Meanwhile your crypto is literally developed by at least 20% and maximum 80% jeets.
>Maybe you can tell me now how you're going to prevent anybody clustering CPUs locally?
Idc, and why should i, i havent shilled nerva once in this thread. Learn to read.

>Discord is not a development platform and if you think it is you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer.
youre refusing to acknowledge that they did answer, quit being a faggot. discord is great for discussing direction, not everyone uses it for troon porn. development comes after direction. the discord is active.

>Monero has no reason to exist either.
>If you don't care about financial privacy you should leave.
So when your complaints against you, they should leave? Your pathetic anon. Youve told the nerva shills their coin shouldnt exist in every monero general.

>Each of your questions have been answered, your claims shown to be invalid
I DIDNT ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS, you elitist fag. Especially about nerva. Goddamn learn to read and keep track of who youre speaking to. You still made more posts than any other ID, and some of those "shill posts" were either answering you or describing some aspect of nerva.

(You counted 48 posts as shill posts, even listing ones that werent.) Dont play games with me you bot. "14 by job guy zsxQyNx" is a wagie asking questions, a human. "10 posts by Ds3oPABX" this guy is defending monero. Bullshit. That half right off the top.

>Everything you say in any of these threads should be promptly disregarded.

>to be an ass, i also stole this picrel from nerva discord and am now posting it

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>>61838817
>As an american
Lmao

>>61838817
>its cook a pizza you fucking loser.
Only if you're a degenerate
>Idc, and why should i,
Because you just cried about me being an ESL
>, i havent shilled nerva once in this thread.
>>61838139 contains a pro-nerva, anti-Monero picture, >>61832241 and >>61832217
glaze some schizo since he's against XMR and pro nerva. >>61832201 takes the position of the top nerva shill and you claim nerva and its shills makes sense >>61831769 claims that nerva is being unjustly persecuted across multiple boards.
Your only post which isn't clearly pro-nerva is >>61838150.
>youre refusing to acknowledge that they did answer
No, they haven't answered my questions. I don't care if they privately discuss something tangentially related in their discord, it doesn't answer my question and it hasn't even been posed as an answer.
>discord is great for discussing direction, not everyone uses it for troon porn. development comes after direction. the discord is active.
Discord isn't a development platform. You said that its development happens on discord. Also they already should know the direction, they had their whitepaper since the early 2020s and open issues for over two years.
>So when your complaints against you,
No, you should leave if you're just here to shill your jeetcoin and don't even care about any of the technical reasons. How about you make a new nerva general and just stay there?
>Youve told the nerva shills their coin shouldnt exist in every monero general.
Correct, it has no reason to exist.
>I DIDNT ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS,
You literally did 3 sentences ago. You also did in >>61831769 >>61832201 and >>61838139.
>keep track of who youre speaking to
I don't need to, that's the benefit of the IDs here. You can check all of the posts that I call yours and see your very own personal ID.
>You still made more posts than any other ID,
What is that retarded argument? I'm sorry for arguing against more than one person?

>>61838817
>"14 by job guy zsxQyNx" is a wagie asking questions, a human.
Questions which oddly just parrot the rhetoric of the nerva shills. Also they all have been answered. As you can see in >>61833216 any statement pro-nerva is just accepted, but apparently anything going an unmaintained jeetcoin needs to be questioned deeply and anyone who isn't pro-nerva gets called a bot (including >>61834402) .
>"10 posts by Ds3oPABX" this guy is defending monero
Sorry, I mixed him up with some jeet. But I'm glad you agree with me that 39 posts are pro-nerva without including the deleted ones.
>>Everything you say in any of these threads should be promptly disregarded.
Says a nigger pushing for a jeetcoin that hasn't been maintained in two years.
>>to be an ass, i also stole this picrel from nerva discord and am now posting it
Too bad that the only delisted privacy coin mentioned here is XMR as the whole nerva spam only started because of the relisting of nerva. (See >>61747926)
>whos doomer porn fantasy?
Yours. The thought that suddenly you'll be asked for your view keys everywhere is absurd and entirely unsubstantiated.

Nerva’s network hash rate hit a new ATH today (550KH/s). Looks like XNV is happening whether you like it or not.

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>>61838940
>>61838945
>>61838953
eat my dick, youre doing more to hurt monero than to help it.

>>61839073
>Hello saar nerva best coin sar
Thanks for your input, now feel free to fuck off or continue embarrassing yourself online

>>61838817
>whos doomer porn fantasy?
Correction, then
>The TLDR is that this particular doomer porn fantasy can't compromise anyone's privacy.

>cook a pizza
>bake a pizza

Make a pizza Chads rise up

>>61839273
I'm favorable to 'make'. I even would've accepted 'have' but cooking is horrendous. At least he didn't boil it...

>>61838574
>VPN
whichever you are using, seriously take them under the loop because all major ones are owned by israel (mossad)

>>61839911
Not sure which VPNs accept Monero besides Mullvad, and not sure what kikes can do with Mullvad assuming they co-opted it.

>>61839080
Nigger, it was the first result for Julia Childs, literally one of the famous cooks ever. Leave and go bake some curry in your cubicle lmfao.

Why do people even pay for vpn?
If you do something illegal or that you want to hide, use Tor.
If you don't, then don't.

I never needed a vpn.

>>61840267
your internet provider cant tell youre using tor with a vpn like mullvad tho.
its an added layer of protection

>>61840568
Protection from what? If I do anything that needs protection I just open tor.
I fail to see a situation in which I would need a centralized VPN.

>>61840568
Also using Tor is legal, just like using Monero. I don't care if they know I do it.
And even if it wasn't there are ways to use Tor without letting your isp know. And if you route monero through tor they won't know you use monero either.

Tor is a decentralized free vpn, I don't see why everyone pays for a centralized one. I guess all those ads from YouTubers are effective.

>>61840816
This is a bit unrelated to xmr
But anyway. Tor is free, but it's slow and it's in the tor browser only.
A centralized one has: control over location if you need it, features like split tunneling, it protects you during torrenting (using tor to torrent is evil and diabolical), it's faster and for Mobile too often.

>>61840267
Torrents, geolocks, and airports.
Also a lot of sites don't work over Tor.

>>61841611
>>61841670
While you raise some valid points (mainly that some websites do block or break when on Tor), the meta for torrenting is to use Tribbler, no need for VPNs or stressing the Onion network.

>>61840228
>Surely julia childs wrote the article

>>61840568
I'd just use a bridge

>>61841691
Never heard of Tribbler, what torrenting advantages does it have over I2P?

>>61841950
When I first heard of it 5 years ago, it was really good at forcing you to learn how to disable DHT and proxy your tracker communication over Tor so you don't have to use tribbler. Maybe it's better nowadays?

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I'm finally about to convert some crypto over to XMR, but I just want to ask how unsecure mobile wallets are if I just want to transfer some XMR in and start spending to get a feel for it.
Also how do I make sure I'm running my own node on the official wallet for PC, and how do I run that over tor???...It's just kinda confusing to me, and I'm schizo cuz I want to store thousands...Possibly tens of thousands into XMR later, and don't want to make any mistakes, so thanks anons.

Also its been a few days since the last thread 404'd, so I'm responding to some anons now because I was busy.
Thank you for the advice.
>>61802123
>You should download the whole blockchain and transmit your transactions over tor for confidential spending. I can go into more detail if you want, but specify if you are on windows or linux.
Windows, but I can also use Linux in a VM if that would be more secure, but if its about the same with the whole blockchain then I wouldn't mind using Windows so long as the transactions are over tor. Space isn't an issue for me, so I'll do whichever setup is the most secure
>Do people use tails as a wallet?
They do. You can download the XMR blockchain on an external harddrive and plug it in, or just use it the wallet by itself.
>>61803467
>If you want a hardware wallet, buy a trezor
I was considering buying a Trezor Safe 3 if I bought a hardware wallet: Would that do for XMR, or should I at least get a Safe 5?
>It's always a good idea to run your own node if you have the space. Don't try to run the node on tails; there's a guide out there on how to do this but the experience is not fun.
I was considering doing that actually lol, but I may go the VM route instead.
Would you recommend using tails for monero at all? Would it be safe to spend XMR on tails if I don't run my own node, considering its over tor by default.
>A separate spending wallet is ideal.
If I just did 2 Trezors (1 for coldstorage, and the other for spending), how secure would that setup be?

>>61841950
>Surely julia childs wrote the article
botbotbotbot unhuman bot the point of the picrel is the FIRST FUCKING RESULT SAYS COOK.

>be you
>cant keep track of any conversation on here
>gets called a bot
>"bUt iM nOt A bOt!!!??!?"
go fuck yourself you fed glowie, monero is a glowbot fest

>>61844074
>botbotbotbot unhuman bot the point of the picrel is the FIRST FUCKING RESULT SAYS COOK.
And who wrote the article? Not Julia Childs. It's an article about her show, written by someone else with a not very English or American name.
>>"bUt iM nOt A bOt!!!??!?"
Who are you quoting and why do you think that bots can't keep track of conversations? That's the one thing they can do exceedingly well.