im really curious to know how this situation will end up

>>61815197
Most likely?
Bail out in March-May
Signaling peripherical institutions and retail,
>Buy the dip the fed and trump saved the economy
and then in June-September tilt after the large players went back into short term money markets. smartest move is buying otm puts for June - September/October on leveraged index fund etfs

>>61815167
it's unironically pretty bad...but the goyim haven't figured it out completely yet. sidenote when they adopt a euphemism for it ("unwind") you know its bad and long lasting.

>>61815212
>Most likely?
>Bail out in March-May
true when are the midterms? end of 26? not a burger

>>61815235
Midterms are perpetual until late 26, yes.
Its not like one date.

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>>61815197
trillion dollar coin

>we use all the platinum we own to make a giant coin which separates into high-tech pizza-shaped slices and we give a slice to each country that we're indebted to, reducing/erasing our debt. those countries will own our national treasure and Americans will be degraded and will lose global esteem until we are able to repurchase all fragments of our national treasure by working hard. I was thinking these fragments could transform into a bad ass fusion powered eagle and if all the fragments are combined it could transform into a supreme eagle with golden dome capabilities

>>61815167
NEH

>>61815167
The whole American economy is a ponzi

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>>61815243
jesus fucking christ man

I genuinely don't understand the point of this psyop, the average maturity of government debt is still higher than it's been historically. And I guarantee if the debt maturity was spread evenly you retards would just bitch about the government wasting money on interest payments instead.

>>61815275
Not this time.
I strongly suspect the entire Boomer pedo blackmail network shilling being the attempt to distract from the stealing. But it doesnt seems to work out, crapto gamblers are abandoning ship because of the "genius act" attempt to have them bail out the treasury and since the BOJ made clear that the party is over the gamblers in the Boomer market are de-risking and unwinding.

>>61815282
Trump had a year to just default on the Biden/Yellen (and his own) debt and deflate fast and furious in 2025; he boomered it up with the big inflation bill; now he is going to eat shit

>>61815278
>Democrats winning elections
lol

>>61815282
it's not a psyop... if anything the psyop is that they try everything they can to make you not understand it. anyway the only way out is to print or to do another 9/11 (or both)

>>61815318
well its not looking good trumpfags are turning on him. The only way for usa to eventually stabilize is if either party, or the real oligarchy, declares some kind of dictatorship

>>61815320
print wont solve the issue this time around, the USA entered the Japan mode. One can print money, one cannot print humans and demand

>>61815318
Delusional if you don't think dems will sweep the midterms. The economy is in shambles, and Trump has proven himself unfit for the task of fixing it.

>>61815358
the dems fucked themselves with their anti-Trump messaging and files fail; its a great example on how propaganda backfires

>>61815197
they will just kick the can as far as they can and refinance the debt, until somehow large banks stop buying us bonds

>>61815197
If you listen to bessent he has some plan like using stablecoins from usdc to buy treasuries so the dollar is backed by stables and stables have "valuable" treasuries, similar to how USDT is buying US treasuries, gold and bitcoin. SO more financial wizardry that will fuck us over 40 years from now but I'll be retired by then so I won't care sucked for Gen Alpha though HAHAH

>>61815332
Kek no way, yeah eventually but not this year or decade. Demand is fine. usa is a 75% service economy.

>>61815378
this fuck em in the long run we r all dead

if the future belongs to niggers , like they say, I vote for the final print to happen. We can be like boomers. I got mine. +800% portfolio, borrowed from future goycattle farm equipment.........thank you very much

>>61815282
>maturity
Isn't this more about rolling over vast amounts of debt into 300 bps higher loans.

>>61815384
That's where you are wrong. Since '25 the active population pyramid is inverted. I have no doubt that the attempt will be made to kick the can in March-May, but its going to be a trap.
The 18 year real estate cycle and the 54 year cycle come to an end this year, maybe even the 150 year cycle, but thats speculative.

Trumps admin had one shot in 2025 to default and reset, the boomer boomered it up

>>61815332
Print has always been their only solution.

>>61815418
Japan printed for 3 decades
The BOJ holds 10% of private shares
The deflation is on going

What makes you believe the USA, or by that as well Europe is going to be a different story.
You can print money, you cant print demand, and the migration patch is not going to help either. Its tilt

>>61815320
It is a psyop though because the amount of short term debt being rolled is literally on par and in fact lower than most every other year over the past 30 years

>>61815403
>Rolling over vast amounts of debt
Which are less vast than historical short term debt rolls if you look at the average maturity, hence my point. It's a psyop and you're being psyoped if you look at gross notional on the short end and go "wow its so hecking over"

>>61815443
>please buy my bag
The table in OP is missing two more critical junk bond versions
Corporate and CREs

The ponzi is over, if you are still holding bags you are the greatest fool

>>61815414
dude it doesnt matter if every pyramid inverted and exploded tomorrow. it's 5 years since covid. just because youre deep into schizo mode, convinced about demographic collapse and astrological imaginary cycles, doesn't mean it's all happening today

>>61815458
Its unwinding since December and Ueda and Takaichi announced the party is over.

>>61815457
I can't speak to non-governmental, but cyclical defaults in the private sector is expected and planned for so I don't think that's concerning either

Some of you are retarded, clearly whats going to happen is trumps new boy at the fed is going to NUKE the fed funding rate back down to fucking 1.5% and crypto and precious metals will skyrocket

>>61815483
So in general a smaller tax base, including unwinding of ponzis that hit a lower demand market with sellers by far outnumbering potential buyers.
>its planned
trust the plan, lol
>>61815490
you can print money, you cant print humans and demand

>>61815508
I dont know if thats some sort of commie baby babble but that doesn't really mean anything to me. Borrowing money is about to get cheap again in america, credit will flow

>>61815464
you just overestimate the severity and speed at which things unfold. You seem like a prepper in 1994, convinced about the world's end.

and stop saying random stupid shit. you can print demand... you learn this in your first class of macroeconomics . coincidentally that is also exactly what has been happening for 20 years, in front of your eyes. But now you come here to deny it in an edgy way

>>61815526
the capacity to create currency does not inherently generate market confidence. Credit bubbles expand because borrowers and lenders believe that prices will continue to rise. Once that belief breaks, both sides pull back. Lending standards tighten, borrowers retreat, and demand becomes price-sensitive. At that point, new money doesn’t create new borrowing, it sits idle, is used to stabilize weak institutions, or chases safe assets. That’s why monetary expansion fails during credit busts. Every credit bubble collapses not only because liquidity disappears but also because confidence does. And confidence can’t always be forced by policy. That’s why deflation often follows debt bubbles.

And on an inverted demographic pyrmid thats the case. Some 55+ year old has no demand for a loan, a 25 - 45 year old doesnt qualify because the 55+ fucked them.
>communist blabble
low rates that dont cover default riskm and perpetual rolled over debt onto smaller generation is communism, the socialization of capital risks and costs onto the future, coordinated by a central planning committee. The treasury is essentialy a communist organization

>>61815526
he saw that there might be smaller population in the future, so everything must necessarily crash and end today. the thesis is supported by some repeated mantras

>>61815535
>policy can create demand
lol, communist thinking.
The Boomer and GenX bulge has no demand for loans and buying starter homes and so on, and Zoomers to Xillenials were fucked out of the market by 40 years of wage depression and hyperinflationary monetary policy.

You cant print demand

>>61815554
since you cannot print demand, how do you think the fed actually sets interest rate?

is it by magical decree?

>>61815282

Recognizing the scam is a psyop. Sure buddy.

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>>61815565
I am not a member of the FOMC but essentially pick related

>>61815587
so you are just filling the thread with bogus because you consumed doomerporn on /pol/. if you ask AI about how the fed "prints demand" and how it relates to setting the interest rate, you'll learn something interesting

>>61815625
I get the mainstream theory
But that is like saying that a 20 year old would have qualified in 2013 for a 2% loan. They did not. And going by the stories of the back then 35 year olds, they neither got the loans; it was the 45-60 year olds that started to buy up real estate. And today the demographic misplacement is even worse. A Zoomer wont get a loan, a Millenial would likely not get a loan, probably not even a 45 year old gets a loan; and the older have no demand for a loan knowing that the following generations cant buy their bags
read this >>61815540
Its tilt, The Ponzi is over

>>61815653
You realize the massive home inflation after Covid was corporations buying single family homes with their cash reserves to preserve purchasing power. They wanted to run up the market. It’s not the generational stories of greed you’re adorning.

>>61815229
>unwind
is this the word they picked or are they picking a new one? I haven't been checking the normiesphere. I though unwind was the old word.

>>61815689
2020, yes, but they had too because neither Millenials nor older Zoomers bought up the stock older Boomers threw on the market, if the housing market would have collapsed even more, their main collateral would have been devalued so much that they would have gone bankrupt.
In 2011 - 2018ish, it was the Boomers that gobbled up the stock and inflated prices so GenX and Xillenial hardly qualified
Now its 2026 and the 18 year cycle is over, do you think a Zoomer that works for the same wage as a Boomer 30 years ago and currently spends 70% of his income on a shared flat with ranjeet is going to qualify for a 250K-1.5M 30 year loan to buy out the the Booomer and older GenX?
No, especially when every lender knows, that the collateral value of the asset is unsecure, because of less demand due to inverted demographics

you cant print demand, the ponzi is over. 0% and QE wont solve the issue. It is on top going to make the boomer and older GenX reduce consume because they are on fixed income. All it is going to do is create monetary inflation

>>61815546
I honestly couldn't even read his last reply, I think he is probably a commie ruminating on commie ideas instead of market reality. He doesn't know that fundamentals haven't mattered since the GFC

>>61815653
Ok when you frame it like that your views make more sense. surely, it affects things. But the money will flow regardless and the only way to profit or keep up with inflation (in clown world) has been to own assets before the prints. There is plenty of demand for things if rates are lower than inflation in a (perhaps) 'dying' currency

>>61815741
Nigger, I am the most anti-socialist that exists
In my view, you are the communist, for using central planning committees you call executive and legislative, to permanently roll over more and more debt onto smaller and smaller generation to pay out through the "state" older generations entitlements

Thats the peak of anti communism, you dirty communist

>>61815750
and who is going to buy?
55+ is on fixed income, they are sellers if inflation shoots up. Or do you expect the active population on wages from 30 years ago buy out ponzi players at 50x prices?
You can print money, you cant print demand

>>61815741
he's right that zoomers wont get good loans but they should just be going 10x long on robinhood like a good goy should

>>61815508
>Smaller tax base
Doesn't matter, demand is all that matters

>Trust the plan
Ironic coming from someone who's entire thread is lying about the situation at hand

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>>61815787
>demand is all that matters
yes
and you cant print it

>>61815762
>and who is going to buy?
why do you think goyim should do the buying? the main beneficiaries of ZIRP isnt cattle, it's govt & financial institutions. retail participation in markets is at ATH so yes I do expect them to buy ponzi. \If those retards buy ztrash they'll buy anything

>>61815796
That's where you're wrong though lol, there is infinite demand. Printing = prospects of future investment payoff. >>61815796

>>61815282
>you retards would just bitch about the government wasting money on interest payments instead.
Uh?
I wouldn't, i DO. And it's not "wasting" when the government IS the scam you fucking zognigger.

>>61815827
>I do
Then maybe this isn't the thread for you, given OP clearly wishes the government had locked into 100% long term bonds at 0% rates since neither of you can into basic finance apparently

>bail out

Oh no frens, this time it's going to be bail INs.
Savers will all take a haircut to keep the clownshow going a bit longer.

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>>61815777
>Just yolo
with 70% going toward rent and 30% toward other?
lol
>>61815805
What is it larper, retail buys or retail doesn't buy. Looking at how pet rocks and crapto and a bunch of stocks go down in straight lines their is no bid. And why should an "institution" buy an asset which it knows is going to have less demand 5-20 years down the road, respective accept it as collateral for a loan?

>>61815278
Hillary has it in the bag

>>61815197
massive tax hikes baked in right after the last boomer dies

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>>61815824
>There is infinite demand
More seller than buyers means exactly the opposite. 55+ is not getting 30 year mortgages or buy sports cars and spend for new children. They are in the process of decumulation. And there are simply less 20-45 year olds that could buy the decumulation

You cant print yourself out of deflation, Japan showed that for 30 years

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>>61815796
>and you cant print it

No but you sure can import it.

>>61815854
How did that turn out so far?
Deficit increased, debt increased, structural decline and they adopt in one generation to the territorial mean of reproduction, not to talk about the policy dynamite it is.
Its okay for credit markets short term due to public spending, but mid and long term it is accelerating the decline
And thats known since the 1980s

>>61815853
>More sellers than buyers means exactly the opposite
Market breadth says nothing about growth potential. Populations can face liquidity constraints that institutions do not, ala QE.

>Japan showed that for 30 years
Japan has the worlds 4th largest economy and 1/15th the population of China, I think they've done just fine

>>61815885
>GDP voodoo
I cant take a number that includes public deficit spending serious
I prefer debt to gdp, and China sits with its state owned economic actor at around 1000%
Japan at 250 officially, considering hidden liabilities more toward 500
The USA officially 130, considering hidden liabilities more toward 300

Global average 350%
GDP cultism is not an indicator for economic strength

>>61815872
You think the jewish baby eating pedophiles care what happens to their golem?

>>61815840
I think you should watch finance and macroeconomics 101 if you dont want to be eating shit the coming 4 years.

>>61815901
Your scapegoat is boring at best, and hardly able to spread beyond the socialist bubbles.
If you want a scapegoat that is able to spread far and wide accross various epistemic communities, drop the jew shit, embrace the BoomerX - there is more to take from the old than there is to take from the jews

>>61815197
Central banks and governments have proved time and time again that they prefer inflation over a hard recession. So they will keep doing what they've been doing and try to print their way out of every uncomfortable situation

>>61815902
I've been shorting oil since 95 and flipping natgas
I am good, energy commodity prices wont pick up, no matter the printer, helicopter or treasury shitting. and if you want to take the risk being the greatest fool of a generation, go on, buy equities, 100x long yolo

>>61815902
and btw the point isnt to love it or like it but you are spouting some shit that shows you are somehow clueless. like why are you even bringing up speculative markets as an example that there will be "No bid". fucking hell . good luck

>>61815933
>I've been shorting oil since 95 and flipping natgas
congrats you are a fucking visionary despite having an Infowars tier understanding of economics

>>61815937
Go on 100x long on caravan
bUy tHe dIp
be the exit liquidity

>>61815735
70k salary in 2012 qualified for 375k with 5% down to avoid mortgage insurance. I think rates were 3 - 4%

>>61815952
Might have been 10% down. Still nothing insane.

>>61815914
They were a convenient golem, the pedophiles in israel will find a new one in india. Our housing undustry up here went to hell because they imported infinite indians and gave them loans to buy the boomer houses.

>>61815950
It was obvious. Aging population, less people, less economic activity, tighter credit market, demand for energy down
>info wars
what has this to do with information warfare. Its just basic math, population bulge decumulating, active population how do you like to say "priced out" of the market, demand depression and offer inflation leads to lower equilibrium price, no matter the liquidity

>>61815197
it's time to bug out

>>61815952
>2012
>70K/year
average wage of 20-40 in 2012 was 22K, median 50K

>>61815508
>you can print money, you cant print humans and demand
millennials exist in the US which is more than can be said anywhere else. and they're so pent up on demand they're buying funkos and scalping fucking pokemon cards because nobody will let them get a fucking bag

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>>61815995
>spouting meme bullshit
Well if they buy whatever your Boomer brain thinks they not gonna buy your boomer bag
that a potential sales less

>>61816006
They're not gonna buy anything from the Boomers, they're going to inherit property from them and then consoom to a degree people do not recognize or appreciate, including you. If Boomers rugpull the entire generation, all those assets are just going to a bank who will be forced to unload them at semi-permanent rock bottom prices anyway, thus more consumption of those assets (lower price, higher demand)

>>61816021
and the banks that get the toxic assets are gonna have to sit on Akiyas that wont find a buyer no matter how low

>>61815897
>I can't take a number that includes public deficit spending seriously
Yeah you already said you didn't believe growth can be created by printing, no need to repeat yourself when it's clear you don't understand how the intangibility of demand powers an economy exactly

>>61816030
>intagibility of demand
lmfao, ponzinomics dont work on less material demand

>>61816029
In a boomer rug scenario they'll all be akiyas and all be toxic, or at least the vast majority of them.

>>61816035
>Ponzinomics
You're right we should have based the economy on your hubris instead, truly an infinite curve that is

>>61816037
And that rug is taking place between 2026 - 2028, as soon as Warsh and Besset goes full Yellen

>>61816050
You wish, boomer dieoff isn't hitting full stride until 2030-34
>>61816047
Do you feel better, anon?

>>61816068
Markets are forward looking

>>61816090
a year or two ahead, not five-ten

>>61815167
>debt maturing
given the govt owes the debt to itself can't it just push out the terms and date of maturity for say, $1

>>61816181
in this case a year or two ahead is next year or 2028.
Shit is about to hit the fan.

>>61815367
you have to be living under a rock if you cant see that democrats are massively more popular

trump needs another 9/11 or to flat out steal the elections. if it comes down to an honest vote and nothing major happens between now and then republicans will get absolutely decimated

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States
>On October 23, 2025, the National debt reached $38 trillion, a new high.
>An increase of $1 trillion, from $37 to $38 trillion, was recorded between Aug 12 and Oct 23 of the same year, a time interval of merely 71 days.[20][18] In addition, more than $382 billion of debt were added in the first 23 days of the government shutdown alone, according to the Joint Economic Committee (JEC), translating to an average rate of increase of $192,200 per second.

from https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-trade-war/
>Altogether, we estimate the tariffs will raise $2.0 trillion on a conventional basis and $1.6 trillion on a dynamic basis from 2026 through 2035.

>>61815167
so, the amerimutt government gets the equivalent 5 years of income from tariffs as debt in 2 months.
fucking lol, what a retarded circus.

>>61815367
Funny but once they stopped the propaganda, Dems didn't actually had to do anything. Trump showed how he is just a fucking corrupted nigger, just enriching himself and his cronies (Not only talking about crypto, but any other bribes from sandniggers and others). First advocate for Epstein Files release is a major participant of Epstein conspiracy, lmao. Rightoids are eating themselves because of this. Dems were retarded for upholding their immigration all-welcome policy and changing the Grandpa ASAP for an unpopular nigger women.

God I fucking hate CT faggots for sucking his dick because that nigger launched Trump coin, as I bought his NFT cards and community token on Ethereum (le MAGA) and got raped on both of them, so I ignored this shit. You'd have alt season if crypto faggots ignored Trump and Melania same as they ignored WLFI first (Remember how they first couldn't even raise min cap for presale)

This will be a nothingburger if ai proves to be as useful as its being promoted because it will spring up new economies that will make the current economy look like a little girl's tea party. The myth of infinite expansion was never a myth. But to understand this you need to understand Landian capitalism.

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>>61815197
Do you like war? Especially with Iran, China and Russia?
Do you like money printing? How about government bailouts for "key industries"? QE disguised as tarriff earnings?
Tax cuts that don't actually cut taxes?
How about global lockdowns for absolutely retarded bogus reasons, but goyim are so fucking retarded that they fall for it anyway? Perhaps with some extra eugenics on the side?
Do you like inexplicable wildfires, hurricanes and blizzards that break records year after year?
Have you considered that relinquishing all ownerships will bring joy?

>>61817491
>Muah robots
Not a solution. Automatization doesn't increase demand, it reduces it
Ironically AI is going to worsen the underlying problem. A robot has no demand for real estate, pet rocks and ponzi shares.
>>61817492
>Distraction
>Be afraid, please
Not working anymore
What do you think the fail files campaign is? Attempts at distraction that fizzle out instantly. The fear by the central planning committees is, that an occupy or worse happens the moment the bail outing fails

>>61817623
Automation is only one part of the future economy. We are talking about tokenization of every imaginable human desire. Anything you could imagine will be made and packaged by ai, and speculatively traded. Imagine if you can, something like polymarkets but real this time, assets coming in and out of existence depending on demand, the same way shitcoins are doing this time. You will be able to bet on literally anything thereby giving incentive for others to make it happen. This will create demand for untold amounts of liquidity and leverage. But muh human laws, yes they will be relaxed to allow this to happen, legality will be enforced through speculation, if you can't defend yourself, someone might make a profit out of it thereby incentivizing you to do something about it, etc, the market will become law.

>>61817692
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
You retards are still japping about "dogenization"
Complete failure
A robot has no demand
With this retarded advertiser post you admit defeat.
>Buy my bag
No

So you can't even imagine? The current crypto market is just a bootstrap for what's coming, same with the current AI technology, if you could imagine, you'd see the whole picture so clearly.

>>61817727
I can, I thought about it, did models on it, laughed about the failure and completely rejected it, in 2023 when the advertising campaign was launched
Your hail marry is basically economic and financial suicide

>>61817492
Garage bigger than the house. This is peak americanism.

Predictive programming or boomer slop
Call it

>All ponzis
Tesla is still doing well.

>>61815735
They’re also doing the same trick with AI.
The collateral is the datacenters.
So when the world’s supply of chips and RAM get bought out it effectively blocks any organic price discovery.
They can say all the RAM their hoarding is worth a gazillion dollars, and nobody can really refute them since they’re starving the market into higher prices.
There has to be some kind of clever financial term for this strat.
Caged collateral?
Scarcity collateral? Idk, I'm not the best at this.

>>61817741
Fuck wrong thread

>>61817744
Its the same principle that BoomerX tried on real estate in the 10s
Yes, on paper the virtual price rose, in reality it made the situation worse.
Zoomers simply never formed households, never had families and the inversion of the demographic pyramid was accelerated.

Its desperation of ponzo players that know their scheme is fucked

>>61817734
Yes it will kill the current economy or just domicile it to irrelevance, that the fucking point, just because you can't imagine past that doesn't mean it won't happen.

>>61815311
yep, now its time for QE
hilarious the stock boomers really thought the new fed chair was actually going to do QT instead. Shows how fucking retarded boomers are.

>>61817754
You could just kill yourself, that would be faster. You are advocating the breeding ground for state failure, insurgency and civil war
>ib4 you won't do shit
Its enough when 1%-5% go hot.

>>61817763
i am not advocating, i am imagining the inevitable future based on the current facts, something that you clearly are unable to do

>>61817771
Dogenization is dead in the water
Just as much of a failure as the attempt to use crapto etfs as a pseudo growth motor.
Blackrock and co have produced for the past 10 years one fail after another

>>61817779
Yes and some other entity will rise out of the ashes and do something else, this is the inevitable part that you just can't seem to imagine, you are still stuck to blackrock and bitcoin and us debt and other currentisms that will become irrelevant

Let me make it easier for you, do you remember when america moved from a commodity market to a financialized one, yes, this is what is currently happening, the world is moving from financialization to tokenization and ai and blockchain will make it happen, this is inevitable and can't be analyzed in terms of our current primitive ideas of what money is or should be

>>61817784
Before something rises from the ashes, the great demolition needs to take place and the most important, the demographic pyramid needs to be put back on a stable base. The only viable way is shaving off the top and the only viable strategy to reach that is bankrupting the entire post 1970s ponzis.

The fastest way would be defaulting on the debt of the past 30 years. But all points toward a desperate attempt to kick the can when there is no road. My puts gonna print

>>61817793
Its not happening
Its a failure already and it hasn't even started

>>61816368
>that democrats are massively more popular

Just like how bidens corpse won the last election, or like how he wasn't a senile puppet, or how kamala was going to win by a landslide?

The freaks are the loudest at screaming, doesn't mean they are the majority. Also the dems were propped up by millions of illegal voters.

>>61817784
Social cohesion is a very real thing and you should have taken it into account. So is inflationary expection of the plebs.
Having real competition in the form of China is another factor.

Nothing sort of concentration camps can fix the current situation in the US. Europe can survive as a Chinese colony.

>>61817797
it's already started in china, the social credit is a tokenized system

>>61817744
Cornering the market, it's actually illegal as the hunt brothers found out when they did it to silver.

>>61817805
There is nothing illegal with cornering a market. The Hunt saga was simply yet another instance of kikes changing their own rules to never admit defeat.

>>61817800
social cohesion can be tokenized, lmao, you guys still don't understand what's coming

>>61817801
>Muah 1000% debt to gdp deflationary dead economy
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
You boomers... China is a failure. Its worse off then japan. Copying china is asking to fail

Stupidity is trying the same shit and expecting different outcomes

>>61817795
The fastest way is not necessarily the best. Crashing the stock market for a decade while keeping cost of living stable and taxing residential REITs to oblivion is the way forward.

This way some purchasing power of the dollar can be retained and the comeback will be a lot easier since you didn't default.

I don't think it's gonna happen. It's going to be a slow slide to irrelevancy lating decades.

>>61817811
It can't.
The attempt in 20-22 was a failure
What makes you believe that with an even worse trust situation its going to succeed now?
That's purest stupidity

>>61817812
america is already copying china, what do you think donald trump is doing acting like a king

>>61817815
Probably
But a slow decline sideway is also in the current situation the perfect breeding ground for insurgency.
A fast and furious is short term destructive, but long term stabilizing

>>61817755
>Muh QE
Yeah removing high yielding debt from the market is sure going to be inflationary fucking lmao. Nobody on this board actually understands QE Jesus christ

>>61817818
like i said china already did it, if you have evidence to the contrary post it, you can't even live in some cities in china without a special pass despite being a citizen

>>61817832
China's social trust and social cohesion higher is not even comparable to the West kek

>>61817832
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
Thanks for confirming what I know
Your kind is desperate, ignoring reality, trying to forget the absolute failure in propaganda and introducing soft totalitarian authoritarianism that was 20-22 and displaying the greatest form of stupidity

Trying the same shit again, expecting different outcomes.
If you over 50 or public employed, I strongly suggest suicide, now

>>61817837
>>61817838
it doesn't need to, that's the fucking point, if china didn't have social cohesion, why is the west shitting itself right now, shouldn't they have already collapsed? can you answer this question or will you continue laughing and strawmanning-- ahahaha, china is not this or that, believe me i know, this is my sole contribution to the debate against tokenization please take it seriously, ahahaa

>>61815197

Everyone is. I can only see them engage in yield control and monetising the debt.

>>61815374

The can it a maximum kickage. Theres no more room on the far end of the curve now. Nobody wants this debt on these timescales on the scale they need internationally.

>>61815378

Who wants it? Where’s the buyer? Countries are already moving to ban this crap. Letting a foreign currency that is debt based and pays NO YIELD. Will completely undermine your own currency and sovereignty. That’s not happening unless the US puts a gun to your head. See image.

>>61815977

Bessent made some cryptic comments about golds increase benefiting them a lot recently. Unbelievably nobody followed that up with a question. Could they be considered the nuclear option? Revaluing the asset side of the balance sheet? Which means a revaluation of 8,000 tons of gold (if it’s still there). And wiping much of that debt and red ink. But honestly? At 38 trillion in just government debt. You would want a bullet like that of used. To be strong. So if you want say. 20 trillion credit on the balance sheet. You have to revalue gold to around 76k per ounce.

That has to be the absolute resort. Would have to be an emergency.

>>61817848
There is no demand for dogenization
Its a meme that was rejected 3 years ago.
And no amount of 20th century broadcast advertising methodology is able to sell it
Dead in the water, same as crapto and cbdc shit

>>61817856
there is no demand for covid and yet it still happened, your argument makes no sense because you still can't imagine beyond your current circumstances, you are handicapped by the very culture that was supposed to see you prosper

>>61817862
The coof shit campaign was a failure
And that failure is still resonating through the aether. It was the most extreme failure of propaganda in the past 150 years. The models all failed and the only result from it was a perpetual decline in trust; it didn't even got close to the goal of introducing all the totalitarian authoritarian boomer shit it was supposed to introduce

All it did was create inflation and mistrust, and destabilize the very base of control and power. Literally killed 20th century oligopolistic propaganda platforms. The term expert is now a pejorative

>>61817854
>Who wants it? Where’s the buyer? Countries are already moving to ban this crap. Letting a foreign currency that is debt based and pays NO YIELD. Will completely undermine your own currency and sovereignty. That’s not happening unless the US puts a gun to your head. See image.
fag

>>61815328
kind of funny how the republicans and state department etc have hall admitted that trump's hail mary economic miracle had a low probability of success because biden fucked the economy so hard but the average person has no idea what's going on
>muh vote blue
if the democrat party doesn't totally collapse before 2030 the fix is 100% in

>>61817874
it doesn't matter whether it was a conspiracy or propaganda, it still happened and it changed the world, this is what you can't understand, i don't even know why i'm still arguing with you

>>61817904
Tax imports with largest trading partners 100% .
Alienate allies causing them to dump bonds
Tax cuts to drive up the deficit
Lower interest rates to hyperinflate

The dude who bankrupted casinos is going to bankrupt a country now . You migatards are exhausting

>>61817917
yes they've publicly stated they're devaluing the dollar, 0 coverage

I type trump maralago accords into youtube and the first video from a mainstream source I get is a 6k view video saying it's a nothingburger. Then the first comment is saying china is essentially dying

>>61817908
It changed the world, yes, but not in a way the models predicted. And certainly not in the intended way. The same is likely happening again and my models that filter out the fail propagandist and focus on actual organic users predict the collapse of the entire post ww2 power structure.

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>>61815378
>backing fiat with fiat +extra steps
Crypto will kill the American economy.

>>61817917
You're arguing with someone who literally just called this bidens economy anon, there's no hope for him.

>>61817938
Crapto is dead
The plan failed spectacularly

>>61817939
You TDS retards are the biggest useful idiots in existence
You don't even realize that your compulsory behavior and self brainwashing is accelerating the collapse, not in your favor

>>61817939
How much money did they print under biden to prevent the economy from collapsing again?

>>61817949
>N-No collapsing the neoliberal regime is a good thing!!
Ok chang

>>61817951
Are you maybe confusing the 3 trillion dollar covid spending bill and the illegal federal reserve bailouts of corporate bonds under Trump for Biden? I could understand how you could confuse the two, given how much your brain shrinks buying into hateful chud philosophies

>>61817961
No I'm referring to institutional changes in government to ride out an economic collapse by feeding itself it's own tail

>>61817938
What they will probably do is once gold becomes valuable enough they'll issue crypto 'tied' to gold in their reserves. But you won't be able to redeem it, just move it from person to person in the block chain. It'll work at first and then they'll phase out the old money then untie the crypto from gold to start money printing again.

>>61817966
But you just said money printing, not "instutional changes". M2 skyrocket the highest single year print in fucking half a century under Trump lol. Goalposting moving retard

>>61817961
>Neo liberal
>Chang
What? Nigger since latest 1970 the entire base is communism, central planning committees perpetually rolling over debt onto smaller generation, trying to steer offer and demand by regulations and paper laws and for the past 15 years having taken one L after the other

I am glad the stock market is closed over the weekend. I cant be the only one. I just want to relax. dykwim?

>>61817973
Yeah? Seems like it's the same CIA policy only trump didn't shut down the entire country

>>61817978
>It's le communism, not REAL capitalism
You're just making shit up at this point to feed your own delusions. If you haven't figured out at this point you're a useful idiot you're either a bot, boomer, or disingenuous. Either way done talking to you for sure

>>61817983
>Same CIA policy
What does this even mean. You yourself fucking said they printed money under Biden but literally the entirety of the Trump covid response printed more money than the entire cumulative Biden administration lol.

>>61817993
CIA: Uh China's going to collapse or something and shoot aids on us, we need to print a bunch of money
Trump: Okay, also Covid is a Chinese hoax
>biden gets in with ???? chinese magic
Biden: Huh? Print money
CIA: Mr Biden, can wee interest you in a proxy war in Ukraine?
Biden: Well of course! What do you think my son was doing over there
China: yeesssssss

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>>61818005
Are you short circuiting or something retard. The M2 print while Trump was entirely in charge was literally higher than the combined and compounded total M2 prints of the entire Biden administration.

Like anyone needed proof that absolute best case scenario drumpf bootlickers are just braindead I guess

>>61818010
And socialist policies like purchasing the over leveraged securities that are supposed to help people (they don't)?

>>61818010
Wait... The US Economy is a jewish ponzi scheme??

>>61818013
You're just spouting word salad now. QE is a banking policy to change the yield and duration of reserves lol

>>61817986
But its communism
The socialization of capital risks and costs into the future through central planning committees that secure monopolies is the bread and butter of communism. Works as long as the amount of suckers is exponentially growing to absorb misinvestment, fails the moment the sucker are deflationary and the debt to gdp went to retard levels
>Its not real communism because my risks and costs are not socialized
Lol

>>61818037
Quantitative easing is a socialist policy where the government buys bad bets by gamblers so the entire economy doesn't collapse

You leftists complain about housing prices but one of the main socialist policies of the US is to essentially never let housing prices go down by shitting out infinite loans

>ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL COLLAPSE IS IMMINENT!!1
>but my funny internet will surely help me survive
what kind of cope is this? prices of computer components rose like 2x-4x in a matter of months. in a situation of societal collapse, we won't even get computer parts built. internet would break as soon as that starts happening.

Buy land, a tractor, and a few chickens.

>>61818046
It's literally not though lol, just because you wish to head canon it does not make it so. These same assets can already be leveraged on balance sheets, QE changes the yield and duration of these reserves. Read up lil bro your arguments suck

>>61818051
My 9 year old rig on a 1080ti and 32gig of ddr4 is still doing its job fine. 11GB of vram is more than enough
>B-but you need to buy new stuff
>Please consume and bail me out
No

>>61818063
>the government printing funny money from nothing to buy houses off of the market top prevent housing prices from going down is good
That's just socialism only it hurts people

>>61818063
It is communist policy
Socialization of capital risks and costs through central planning committees without consent of the one that is supposed to bear the risks and costs
>Wuaaaah my risks and costs are not socialized
>Not real communism tm
Lol
It doesn't get more communist

>>61818075
>my computer works just fine right now
>therefore everything that makes the internet possible will keep working forever
you have no idea about tech, do you? your computer won't last forever, btw.

>>61818087
I have an older rig standing around with a 1060, still works fine
>B-but data centers
>W-we need to connect the fridge to the internet, because
Lol
You can't steer offer and demand through policy, the ussr failed, china failed, cuba failed and so did Europe and the US fail

>>61818079
But they're not printing funny money, that money already existed in the form of unrealized gains that can be leveraged against

>>61818082
>N-No I swear it's communism because I just say so!
You keep saying the same thing, despite pointing out why you are wrong. Such is the fate of bootlicking trumpets with negative IQ I guess

>>61818095
If the mortgage securities are profiting then why would the socialist fed buy them so the price doesn't collapse

>>61818094
>computer parts NEVER fail!
>t.zoom zoom

>>61818100
They're not, they buy them to introduce reserves into the banking system, hence why they made a profit on QE. It's your own retarded head canon that it's socialist market manipulation because you're a dumb dumb that can't into banking

>>61818095
It is communism
A central planning committee perpetually emitting bonds that are uncovered by demographic reality and just refinance them with more uncovered debt, driving monetary inflation, while shelling out uncovered debt liquidity to unproductive industries and distorting market forces building ineffective and inefficient monopolies that depend on public cost and risk socialization is by definition communistic.
Just because YOUR risk isn't socialized, and your business doesn't get a monopoly secured by central planning committee, doesn't make it less communism

>>61818105
I have as well an old athlon XP based system at my parents house from 2 decades ago, still works fine last time i booted it up

>>61818112
>Perpetually emitting bonds
Is how a debt based currency works yes

>Uncovered by demographic reality and refinanced with uncovered debt
Meaningless slop phrase lol

>while shelling out uncovered debt liquidity to unproductive industries and distorting market forces building ineffective and inefficient monopolies
Literally a feature of free market capitalism kek

>Socialism ect ect
Dear leader drumpf has done a number on you, presuming again your simply just retarded and not malignant

>>61818111
>The fed buys houses to inject invisible money into the system to prevent housing prices from going down
>Also Im a leftist, hate high housing prices and support the fed preventing housing prices from going down
Okay CIA

>>61818141
Debt based currency is communism
>Muah capitalism boogie man
The term capitalism doesn't exist outside of marxist religious dogma
Its a pejorative by a poor socialist against a perceived rich socialist that is socializing his risks and costs through a central planning committee while securing his monopoly, something the poor socialist would wish he could do.

There is no difference between a socialist screeching for "free healthcare" and a socialist screeching to "bail out his bank" just different socialists.
And free market? There is no free market when a political central planning committee is actively playing economic actor

>>61818151
>Invisible money
Again the money already existed. I believe in economies of scale, this includes housing. I'm sorry you've been mindfucked as well by dear leader drumpf.

>>61818178
>economies of scale,
Ahahaha
An unironic marxist
Ahahaha

So few people know about this outside of here and a few other places. I never hear any talking head on youtube talk about this as one of the primary drivers of rate cuts when it is and even Trump has publicly (albeit briefly) mentioned it. I believe this will either be averted through careful fiscal planning and we never even hear about it or the US has a sovereign debt crisis that it exports to the rest of the world.

>>61818173
>Debt based currency is communism
It's not, but good try. Private companies issue their own bonds and stock as well which are used in financial exchanges. Also fucking lmao @ "capitalism boogeyman" meanwhile calling everything you don't like communism.

>There is no free market when a political central planning committee is actively playing economic actor
Oh God, we have a 2014 lolbertarian trumpet on our hands, the retardation all makes sense now!

>>61818189
>I don't like
>Is le Marxism
Poor bait, this is what you get though when your thread is based on slop economics trying to excuse your favorite orangutang in chief's policies I guess though.

>>61818190
It has gained traction on xitter since December, from a few xeets here and there to daily hundreds of xeets with communists and trumpists trying to defuse the narrative
They are failing
By mid February going by the trajectory its going to have outcompete the designated fail files ad campaign
By March -may when the supposed bail outs are going to happen critical mass for occupy with chemical weapons of mass destruction should be reache
My phase 2

>>61818178
Where did the money that created the world's 300 trillion dollars of debt come from? Socialist profits?

>>61818194
Well its communism
You can screech lolbert as much as you like, it doesn't change that 9T in 2026, 10T and 11T of uncovered public debt ponzi shit needs to be re-financed at higher rates, with inflation picking up and the central planning committee having reached the end of the road to kick a can

>>61818209
>Where did the money come from
I mean if you knew that we wouldn't be having this discussion would we, although I'm glad you're asking the right questions. Money is created in our current system by the market valuation of the creditworthiness of debt and other assets of a variety of different entities. These entities will sometimes define laws around what constitutes money through banking regulation and subsequent taxation. Creditworthiness is a market concept that can be affected by many concepts, not limited to and including future growth expectations and cash flow expectations including inflationary measures.

>>61818222
Oh no my hecking notional value of debt is increasing in my debt based economy! Anyway...

yeah, l2WH5+jO is a troll, most likely operating some kind of bot.
and we are all freeding him.

Even here, on. Biz, where niggers are supposd to know better, you still fall for the old democrats and republicans trick. Fucking grim.

>>61818247
Isn't the big joke that credit doesn't mean anything an billionaires borrow money with no intention of paying it back

>>61818349
I think the rich are way more likely to pay back their debt. Banks aren't in the habit of losing money generally. To me, the joke seems to be convincing the public that democracy and legal restrictions on capitalism is bad, and authoritarian capitalism is inevitable and good.

>>61818470
>Banks aren't in the habit of losing money
>World debt since fiat currency: 300 trillion
I'm glad somebody is out there paying 15,000 dollars on a 7,000 dollar loan so the world could go into 300 trillion dollars of debt.

Unironically a blue gummed nigger could run the world better

>>61818487
>Oh no my notional debt is really high in a debt based economic paradigm
Im sure the world does seem scary and confusing if you don't understand how fiat works yeah

>>61818640
According to Jeffrey E. nobody understands the financial system and therefore by extension fiat money.
You are claiming otherwise ?

>>61815167
>"we must control inflation"
>rates up
>shit breaks
>"we must control deflation"
>rates down
>inflation up
...

>>61817798
Trump won the last election by slightly over 1% of the vote, and this was when going against the massive clusterfuck of Biden running then dropping out. It was an extremely close election by any objective measure and considering that, this internet posturing looks silly.

>>61818714
I literally don't give two shits about Jeffery Epstein's take on the economy and don't think it's relevant to this conversation

>>61818640
So what you're saying is only the US government is in a habit of losing my money

>>61818844
Yes, I absolutely think elected officials can spend public money in horrible and corrupt ways that loses them growth and creditworthiness, hence our initial conversation where I made fun of trump for handling covid poorly causing massive inflation

>>61815735
he gets it. boomers were already bemoaning nobody was buying their retirement nest egg mcmansions years ago. then they refuse to lower priced at all because "they know what they got", but what they got is a dozen shoddily built 8,000 square foot homes far from public transportation that they're demanding nearly $2 million each for. 90% of people in the states can't afford these things, yet they still expect people to be throwing money at them
>>61815952
well now 80k is a median annual income for a family of four, daily expenses have doubled, median starter home prices are way up, rates have doubled, and you're not avoiding pmi until you have 20% equity in the home. even if you get one of those 0% down military loans, your monthly payment on your starter home is going to be over $3,000/mo. nearly half of a family of four's annual income before taxes. no bank is going to give you a loan when your entry level home monthly payment is half your monthly take home salary

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METALCHADS IT IS OUR TIME
>CANT BE PRINTED
>CANT BE REHYPOTHECATED
WE WILL BE THE LAST ONES STANDING

>>61818970
>cant be printed
paper silver?

>>61818885
but isn't the entire international finance system a glow op by the US

>>61818982
like a bank run, once the last ounce is out of the vaults paper price doesn't matter anymore.

>>61818982
wouldn't touch it with a pole my nigga if you don’t hold it you don’t own it. (((they))) can trade paper receipts all day long, the only effect it has is helping me expand my bags. but as we can all see, that time is rapidly coming to an end

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>>61815197
Hyper inflation

>>61818999
I don't know what you mean by glow op. I think the modern state of the world financial system makes complete sense when you realize the entire rest of the world suicided into each other multiple times in the 20th century and left us the sole superpower

>>61815735
we can just import more people to fix the problem

>>61817805
It’s a bit more than just cornering the market.
You’re creating a squeeze in the market to increase the book value of your collateral just to increase/extend your access to credit.
You can think of it like this.
>Have loan for $300k, it’s backed by collateral of the same amount.
>Rig the pricing of the collateral to be $600k.
>(In this case it would be done simply by buying adjacent properties to manipulate the average price. But you can rig pricing a number of different ways.)
>Now that you have $600k worth of collateral you can extend the loan to $600k. At least so long as you don’t let its true value of 300k come to light.
It’s a very specific technique for a specific kind of situation. Which is why i thought it had a specific financial term to go with it.
Squeezed collateral?
Idk, i’ve still been thinking about it.

>>61819097
Well the US central bank is constitutionally illegitimate and so are the tendrils the US has spread across the world financially and militarily. All financial systems die and obviously the US wants this one to continue as long as possible otherwise they wouldn't band americans from owning gold and stuff like that

>>61815735
How do you think all this will affect precious metals?

>>61819158
Inversely this technique can also be used defensively to try and save your access to credit.
>Have 300k in collateral.
>Market shits itself and its now only worth 150k.
>In order to save your loan you initiate collateral squeezing.exe
>Collateral is now manipulated up to 400k, even though real price discovery is still like 150k.
It’s important to note that not just the debtor but also an unscrupulous lender can do the same thing.
So it could just as easily be a desperate bank doing this to pump their book value as it could be a desperate loan haver pumping his access to credit.
You could even have them both working together.

>>61819158
the underlying mechanic of the post 1970 ponzi
and your 100% rigging is cute
add a few 00s for the past 50 years
when this baby goes to equilibrium 99% crash is going to have several .9999% behind it

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>>61821026
It is technically just over leveraged until the evidences of fraud starts appearing. It is some variety of credit crisis like 2008. They blamed bankers and such for selling junk bonds, but this was risk aversion and even fraud, but some underlying mechanism kicked the whole thing over. Specific triggers, like say Epstein withdrawing money and Stearn's collapse in a liquidity crisis not quite the causes.
It is something like a poker game after the legs are kicked out from under the table. Everything is a giant mess and there is a smoking gun, but then why were you playing on a folding table in the first place. They really want to sell confidence when everything is great and when everything turns south all of their great intellect couldn't see it, couldn't plan for it, couldn't have a system robust enough to handle it.
Unfortunately, this misses the mark by describing a different kind of fraud.

>Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!

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>>61821135
>Reproducing the glowing distraction fail file nigger campaign
Nigger
Yes its poker
But this time the room is full of cats that won't be distracted by what the player want them to be distracted from
And at the absolute wrong moment start to throw chips off the table and snatch cards out of hands

>>61817862
You sound like a retarded faggot desu, go back

>>61821135
Fraud is a term that’s too general.
It’s what you use when you know something is icky but you don’t know the specifics.
I want a specific term for a specific act of fraud.
Like how roundtripping is a specific term for that specific kind of fraud,
We need a one word term like that for when you’re price manipulating your own collateral.

>>61821962
There are already terms, and if you ask any BoomerX finance nigger, they swear on it as the most natural way to get "rich".
Rehypothecation or same asset re-leveraging
And both need to be prohibited
But that's not enough
Those that did it for the past 50 years need to serve as an example, capital punishment, public execution

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relevant

>transfer all debt to one person
>kill them
Would this work?

>>61823334
nope
The only two "realistic" options are a debt jubilee, i.e complete default which would leave the creditors bankrupted, means banks, central banks and everyone hanging on it, majorly the 50+ 70s ponzi schemers
or
An extreme Volcker move, interest rates to by now it would have to be 70%-150% on average to extremely reduce the amount of dollars in the system, unwind re-leveraged ponzis and at the same time prohibit central committees (legislative and executive) to issue any new bonds.

In all honesty, Trumpenstein the Boomer Mongoloid had a year to run the "its the Biden debt, we default" narrative to clean the sheet, he instead opted for the Big Inflation Bill, and by that narrowed the way out to Anarchy

It was deflate or die

after November 2025 its just die

>>61817973
Bro you gonna get merc'd

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