I recently got fired, have a degree and years of experience but now I'm paying 50k for an MBA. Why? Because you make fat stacks.MBAs are like lawyers or finance bros on steroids without the nerdiness. As an MBA you simply stuff and tell people how to do things. You don't bury people in paperwork that is going to be automated by AI anyway, you solve problems.The future is leadership and people with MBAs are king.
>>61824987I was making $70k as an associate engineer (mech engr) and the company asked me to get an MBA. I went to a state school that cost $15k total for a fully online MBA program that took less than a year. Graduated and got a raise to $115k.It doesn't need to be a target school unless you have a specific need for one.
>>61825008Was it top tier?
>>61825018The school? No, all business schools are a scam. It's 13th grade tier difficulty and you learn nothing you didn't already know from simply working a corporate role.Its a checkbox for HR to mark and nothing else. The degree itself doesn't matter and isn't what gets you the raise.
>>61825139What got you the raise? It wasn't the checked box?They asked you to do it so they could give you a raise.
>>61824987What job are you intending to get that an MBA is worthwhile?
>>61827001Consultant
>>61824987>gaynigger MBA Salary after 10 Years Doing The Needful 100 CRORE INRwhoever made that chart is delusional and probably an indian.
>>61824987As someone who has the benefit of looking at all this in the rearview mirror.1. A generic MBA is absolutely worthless except from a top, target school, and even then probably more because of the connections.2. An MBA is >>61825139 - everyone knows it's not a real degree. If you go to business school, double major accounting for CPA, finance for CFA (only if analyst internship at top bank from target school) or do stats/actuarial.3. MBAs from target schools can look forward to rewarding jobs such as: psychology computer lab night manager (babysit college kids in computer lab for $9/hour), call center entry level employee (no promotion ever), and other similar exciting opportunities.4. If you are an exceptional professional like a good mech e at a legacy firm, yes, an MBA might let you manage engineers, but only if you already did the work and already check all the other boxes.5. MBAs can do nothing, everyone knows it. Manager roles are filled by friends & family or people who can do something.MBAs are art degrees for students who wanted to roleplay in a suit & tie.Furthermore, wagie jobs are getting worse and worse. Meritocracy is entirely dead. Thank your gods tech existed and they needed people who could actually learn and couldn't put their friend's son or stacy in the role. Now? Good fucking luck unless mommy & daddy pay for med school.If you didn't understand anything I wrote, understand this - an MBA might get you from a $40,000 call center job to a $58,000 call center job. With a lot of luck. That's it.
>>61827548Since I can't help myself - here is one more illustrious MBA position that many MBAs competed for, but failed and fell during the arduous challenge - Aldi's assistant manager.An MBA is a differentiator in literal wagie positions.
>>61827548this is beyond jaded and not really accurate
>>61827636It's absolutely accurate, you just don't want to accept it. AMA. I have finance/accounting/stats degrees, am a CFA, worked for Fidelity in finance, and had real jobs after that. I know like 10 MBA failures personally. And they did the whole thing - got their 3.6, worked at big companies, wore their nice little tie (though they did tie four-in-hand instead of windsors), sucked the boss' dick, and none of it mattered. They were good ol' white boys from decently-off families too. Drove new BMWs into the office in suits, while I reminded them that we make less than garbageman, which was true.
>>61827402I'm a consultant and you absolutely do not need an MBA. Experience and being able to talk about what you do in an interview is FAR more important
>>61824987I recently got fired too. Was thinking of paying $100k to fly airplanes. Doesn't really make sense financially but I am tired of sitting in front of a screen. I've got plenty of semi liquid capital to survive for a few years.
>>61827874It's going to be more than $100k in time. Iirc you can get your Cessna single-engine without night-time or cross-country for like $50,000 or less. The problem is that then you need all the add ons and you aren't going to break 100k annual income for a while and it will be odd hours and a lot of hustling to get flight time as an instructor or individual pilot, basically a thankless job.Then you will just end up flying commercial for UPS or whatever, and guess what you are doing there? Sitting in front of a screen. There is also rotary, but fuck knows what happens to that when we gets quads in 10 years and it's no longer a "skill". Plus all the private high-paying jobs are taken by 160th SOAR pilots so you are basically competing for instructor and tour flight jobs, which there are maybe 10 of in a city, maybe 100 in NYC and tourist spots.>>61827707Same, no one cares about an MBA. You consult in something specific, fucking accounting is better for MBA.
>>61827707you jokers have the most built out mba pipelines lolt mba ex consultant>>61824987>50k mbaunless you can get into a t20 school and get it paid for by someone else it is of questionable (/bad) value
>>61827707>ExperienceThat's not something concrete you can get
>>61828010> says something> feels like he said somethingIt very much is something you can get. > why should we hire you to move us to the cloud> because I moved a ten billion dollar company to Azure before talking to you>>61827953> fucking accounting is better for MBA.better for consulting*
>>61827636It's accurate unless you're extremely lucky.
>>61827953Do you have direct experience with this? If so tell me everything, I'm not dissuaded. How much did it cost in entire and perhaps even more important how long did it take until you were net positive on money?I don't quite have enough to retire forever but I made enough money that I'll be sitting in a paid off house with enough to live off for years so I'm not super worried. Wife can pick up a part time to minimize the wealth hemorrhage while I am in training too.
>>61824987i make more than a median mba from just a cybersec bootcamp
>>61826402ID will change since I'm out. I got it because I was selected in advance for a management role. They couldn't give me the management role because HR wanted to check the box. If I had gotten the MBA and not been preselected then the whole thing would've been a waste of time.Literally just work your job and be good at it and they'll tell you if you need one to bypass HR.
>>61828183Are you asking about MBA or pilot path? I am not an expert on pilot, I just know how to fly a Cessna, not certified and spent enough time with pilots.On MBA "how long did it take until you were net positive on money" is a meaningless question, you will be "net positive" in a year at a passable job, potentially never if you count opportunity cost. Again, as an adult, an MBA just generally gets you nothing. What's your current degree/experience and what do you want to do? Then I can tell you if an MBA will help. If you just get an MBA as a 30 year old, it won't get you anything but the joke jobs I mentioned, all paying < 100k.>>61828332Let's be honest though, cybersecurity is rough too, and can be pretty competitive even though there is job growth on paper.A lot of them are corporate bullshit jobs that just look at firewalls being in place, which ports are open, and ensure Defender scans are run on every build. There are not that many offensive security "cool" jobs. Even pentester consultants run pretty basic shit. >>61828345Those companies are a dead end. I know a guy who got cock-blocked by HR on being an IT lead even after dev directors said yes. HR just said he can't jump 3 levels (which are all bullshit dev 1,2,3,4,5). Literally cucked by HR. They just look for an excuse to cuck in those companies and an MBA is just one of those excuses. If it filters you, there was no career anyway. Not joking or trolling.
>>61827548IT consultant here. All IT jobs are Indians and all business end jobs are women. HR works miracles in finding functional female blacks. You have a chance in the corporate world if you are an attractive gay man.
>>61828490Not fully true. A lot of the Indians, especially offshore, do one fucking retarded things and don't know what is going on otherwise.Let me give you an example: We came in and set up Domain Services (microservice arch with Confluent Kafka). All white team. 2 guys on the dev side - they set up docker compose for local, Elasic for logging, all the connectivity, etc. I worked with them to set up ExpressRoute and Terraform the cloud via IaC. I set up the CI/CD so when they push to Azure Repos (think Git, same shit), their code builds, packages, runs unit tests, build the docker container, wraps it in a security package, etc. All the Indians do is get a story on "add a new endpoint" and literally have Copilot copy the code we wrote. They don't REALLY understand how the JWT gets processed. They don't REALLY understand why we used Dapper instead of EF in some places etc.Same with the Indians in security - they can open a firewall rule for me if I give them a path and a port, but they don't understand why traffic flows via Imperva -> App Gateway -> APIM -> ACA or backend target. Someone still needs to do the real jobs. Btw, there is an Indian director that set up an MCP server that pulls data for clients pretty cleanly from scratch. Then there is an Indian architect who does literally nothing, wears too much parfume, opens his shirts too low and waves his hands around.Point being is that they can't replace everyone. Someone, occasionally, has to do some real work. It's just rare. Now that it's set up, the shit devs (there are shit white devs too) can sort of, kind of do their job.
>>61824987I work from my bedroom, made my own company and pulled 580k USD last year. We are not the same wagie. I never went to school (beyond high)
>>61827984Not all of habe sugar daddies and bosses
>>61828803This pink-ided faggot is correct, regardless of whether his story is real or not.What people think is that an MBA, or whatever adult job, will get them some sort of respect. The reality is that there are millions of 50 year old wagies with advanced degrees, military service, listening to some 26 year old art-student faggot that daddy put in as a head of IT at a major US bank (not a made up story, not an old story).What a degree can give you, if you are lucky, is some consistent handouts from mastah. I say this as a wagie.When you get "up there", the whole "daycare for adults" becomes too real.
>>61827583How much does ALDIs assistant manager make?
>>61828852https://gprivate.com/6jxm8
>>61828449>filled the requirement>got the role>dead endHuh?This is standard practice at all F500 TradEngineering firms for all ABET professions. Software dev/ SWE isn't legally considered engineering unless you're a degreed EE, so your friends experience isn't really relevant.
>>61824987>median 100k>"10 years experience and hard work" value is 300khmmm sounds shit
>>61828838Your post is a fucking truth nuke, thank you.It is true, when I was in high school I started running a online gaming shit, still am now. Was alot more uncommon then, but now with roblox alot of ppl doing that.Over xmas we pulled 58k USD personally. Easy come easy go, only wagies are stuck up on MUH bullshit wagie speak.However, not everybody can do their own thing, infact statically extremel few can and even fewer should. I do not know anybody from classes who succeed as I did, not even those who went into banking ect. Its all wagie cope.
>>61828976I am talking about the fact that they bring in the "real" roles in either from target schools, consultants*, or poach elites from other competitive companies.The rest jump through hoops for peanuts. Again, if you go to a target school and get picked from an internship, you are jumping through hoops, but it's for $400,000. That's like 1-5%, if that.* real consultants that actually do something, not the "get degree, become consultant" meme.
>>61828449Pilot path. I've got a good friend who did this exact thing, he is my inspiration. He is currently racking up hours as a CFI. I am hitting up a bar with him later today to tell him the news and learn everything I can.
I must be an outlier. I pull just under 300K without a degree, but tons of experience and certs.
I am a supply chain PM at tech company and it's a great jobFun and flexibleLot's of talking and SAP
>>61828010True, but you could spend 50k getting other certs or knowledge that would add a lot more to your cv than a single line of "MBA xxx school"You won't get a good job without experience but with an MBA. You need experience first. And MBA is just a nice to have
>>61828449the average MBA graduate is around 30 years old, its what you do at 30
>>61824987I knew a guy who got an MBA from Wharton and now he's working at McKinsey but I am pretty sure he had connections thru his wife who is a spoiled rich slut.
>>61829007Improving your WAGIES position in life is not a bad thing
>>61827548i see this post generated at lot of seethe but i can only concur at its general conclusionan mba is simultaneously both worthless and absolutely vital to havethe big issue is never get one on your own thinking it'll get you hiredas a chemE before quitting the cage the general career progress was get degree (phd) get hired as project manager, proof you arent a fuck up and get giving some wagies to direct without being an actual manager, if you continue to succeed they will want to promote you to actual manager but at this stage an mba is a checkbox requirement, good news the company pays for it and lets you use company resources to do the bullshit busy workif you get to this stage promotion is guaranteed upon getting the mbabut like mentioned elsewhere in the thread congrats you are now an even more overworked/stressed wagieyou accomplished nothing real, either start your own business or maximize your savingsrate as fast as you can as early as you can for real success>>61829018this might be for banking but it isnt for engineering, the job is so specifically technical they need to create their own supply of wagiesthe promotion and career progression is real if you dont fuck upunless you are talking about board of director tier jobs but thats no longer engineering thenwhat are you defining as 'real' role here
>>61827548art degrees are actually hard
>>61832685"real" role - this is a personal definition:1. You actually contribute something someone else couldn't do with 3 months of training, even if they had a 130 IQ.2. You make at least $140,000. That will sound incredibly low to a lot of people here, but that is a number a lot of passable engineers don't actually reach in flyovers.3. The experience you gain is meaningful and you actually have a shot of going somewhere. At an extreme example, you are doing LLMs, drones, space and other "pioneering" tech (regardless of how you feel about the AI bubble) and companies need to poach you. On a more realistic example, you are working with current technology and you are actually more advanced than some kid out of college whose skillset is 30 years old. Ironically, college kids and boomers fall into this, both.4. They can't just swap you out - this one is contentious, but you aren't really doing a "real" role if you are swappable like a call center employee with zero impact. At a "real" level, you might know the business model / have some relationships / trust built, etc.Btw, pilot-bro, sorry I forgot to reply to you yesterday. Basically my summary on it is that you are a glorified cab driver at the end of the day and you will come to hate it. There are also a lot of Cessna hours and then a lot of contractor hours and then 7-10 years to get to UPS pilot's "actual" salary range which you see quoted. It's also being automated away. To me, the whole thing is a whole lot of skill upkeep and it's getting to be less and less of a "skill". So basically, it's too long of a path to 300k, and like, say, software, I don't think it's guaranteed to be there when you actually get to that level.
>>61832963then we are talking about the same thing for 1,2 and 4the part where you get promoted to manager of other engineers is the part where you arent replaceable with any retard or graduate anymorereal active duty leadership isnt thought in any classroom and industry righteously laughs at academy for thisalso whatever specific subfield you will chose, your knowledge of the exact plant only comes with years of experience as obviously they dont teach this to outsidershence like i mentioned earlier the plants really do have to make their own wagiesi disagree from experience on 3, i would actually recommend the opposite if you want to be a successful wagie and have the highest chance of collecting the regular paycheck you are far better off going for the old boring established industries and be the manager that runs the production plant (or subsection thereof)its far more stable work and doesnt require you to read up on the cutting each every nightdoing space pioneering tech is nice for kids but this will brutalize you midlife, in contrast just be the guy that runs the ethylene cracker and have something resembling a work life balancetho to be fair i only observed this via looking at my bosses as i retired before getting promoted to this point, i can however say with certainty that staying in the cutting edge r&d is insanityi would have for sure moved over to reliable old production over r&d if it wasnt for the 2021 bullnepo hires are quite low in this area, as per your earlier post you really dont put the 26 yo art graduate in charge of the cracker thats the equivalent of a pretty hefty fuel air bomb if mismanaged no matter who his dad is
>>61825008Which state if you don't me asking? Does this program accept out of state students?
Is it ok to pay 10k for an MBA?
>>61824987How likely is that job being replaced by AI or Indians?
>>61835106Indians and AI don't present PowerPoints as a job.
>>61834127LSU Shreveport. Yes, I'm based in Texas. Total out of pocket was $15k plus like maybe $1k in books.Don't expect to learn too much, but if you just need a cheap peice of paper it gets the job done.
>>61835127Were you allowed to use AI to write the papers?
I'm doing an mba online it's going to cost around 50k. I already earn 180k. My gpa so far is 3.5/4 and chadgpt has been my study buddy. The reason why I want to get one is because everyone I work with has a masters or double degree or studied at a top 5 university and I didn't.
>>61835125Eh, they have and will anon.Any moron can make a Power Point
>>61835164Not every moron can present it while wearing a suit
>>61835139AI in it's current state sucks ass. Just use your brain. I got a 4.0 and barely even tried. All while holding down a full time job.
