this is what the average person has to go through to get a job in their field that they are qualified for.How is this sustainable?
If you are talented and have skills you should LEGIT find a small but successful company and approach them with an offer to work for cheap for a share in the business.Not kidding.You could pull $60k a year, in a town with 1/4th the cost of living than a Chicago or something and during that time build a business and take part ownership.I'm telling you this is a real option.You have to go GORILLA on this fake and gay market.I can pay $50k for a great marketer right now and could add in performance benefits to get you to $70k fast and I'd make a deal for 10% of a highly profitable company if you help me out.As it is, I'm the only brain and I herd 12 cats all day and make fairly good money.But the upside is huge.Come into my business and make an offer.DO SOMETHING.
>>61832187Also, this is the VERY LAST THING globohomo wants you to do.Instead they want you fighting for scraps, to work for them, in a big city, or lose and work at Starbucks.You have to take control and it's there for the taking I am telling you honestly.
>less than a thousand applications in 15 months
>>61832198yeah anon "small but successful" businesses just love giving ownership stakes to people who can't find jobs by conventional means. also equity stakes in private held businesses are famously liquid and can be converted to cash with absolutely no issues.
>>61832198>>61832202just walk in with your resume, give the boss a firm handshake, ask to own a part of their business, and you're bound to get a job!
>1st interview rejectionsI almost never get those. They're usually just an HR/manager screen to make sure you're a real normal ok person to push on to the 2nd round (the real interview). Failing half of those is a red flag lol
>>61832220>>61832229I'm telling you guys. I'm in business in rural areas.There are 3-5 million dollar companies ALL OVER that would like to expand.But all the "talent" leaves town.99% of this "talent" ends up with a less than $80k city job. Cost of living is double there.I have 3 million in revenue and make a very good living. But I'm prime for a big upside with help.Without help, I'll grow slowly and steadily and keep it all. That's actually fine with me.But, it's not fine for the people going nowhere.The one thing everyone misses about "careers" is that they don't treat themselves like a business.I make no money or very little for years and years on end and then I get to cash in for what I built.There are jobless people, highly talented that I would for sure do a deal with.You are losers though and will never really escape because you are begging to build for a paycheck. Not building something you actually have a part in and own.The advice is for people that want to make it. Not for loser faggots.You would actually enjoy working for me too and our incentives would align given the stake you have in the outcome.
>>61832229Also, I list jobs quite often. I list on Indeed. I get 30-40 applicants.I hire the first or second one that PHYSICALLY COMES IN AND GIVES ME A HANDSHAKE every time.Sorry about your meme bro.
>>61832285>muh heckin based n' trad rural areasi grew up in a rural area. no small business owner will ever consider giving a wagie an equity stake in their business. they'll offer you $16/hour with the worst health insurance known to man and 10 days of PTO a year after a 1 year probationary period. if you don't take it, someone else will because there are no jobs.
>>61832202how is approaching some random asshole and asking to work "for cheap" not fighting for scraps
>>61832303>constantly hiring (brags about $25/hour)>allegedly offering equity to each and every one of themthe LARP gets more retarded by the second
>>61832187Just start your own company. There clearly is demand for products in the field if you can’t get hired by already existing companies.
>>61832198> I can pay $50k for a greatPeople actually think this is an acceptable offer to make and will complain that no one wants to work for them kek
>>61832319I didn't say that at all brainlet.I said I herd cats. Which means 12 people that have no real individual talent separate from my direction.I would offer equity, or earnings shares to someone that was talented enough to do a great marketing job for me or something similar.A sales guy for instance.Your imagination is your limiting factor.By all means, try desperately to get that job for globocorp. It's working out VERY WELL for everyone I see.
>>61832198tell me you've never had a job with an ownership stake without actually telling me.ownership outside of public markets is incredibly rare. >just be private equity bruh that easy>MORE BOOTSTRAPHS>>61832259We got 2.9 million applications in 2025, 99% never made it past the automation. AKA no one actually looked at them. AI everything has consequences. Honestly i dont understand how the world economy has not yet collapsed. If it wasn't for government spending and money printing there's been essentially no growth per capita since 2008.
>>61832187it's not and it's why we're entering in an economic recession right now
>>61832187Not if youre indian
>>61832345It's the same as $100k in Chicago living standard wise and you would have a chance to build something with another real person.I know...too much work.As I said, I work YEARS without making money sometimes in preparation for the years I do make a FUCKING LOT.There are boomers ALL OVER with no kids that want the business. I see them getting "half sold" all the time to local dude that want to do something.They buy in the business even instead of getting paid, work their ass off to take an existing business to the next level, and end up quite successful.Find a boomer, they'll LOVE getting out from under the thing and you'll learn the ins and outs from them and then it's yours.My best friend did this with a local tire shop. Now makes a shit ton of money.He worked there for five years, then decided to approach the owner about "buying it."For the next TEN YEARS he worked cheaper than his old paycheck and then made a deal for the final amount all that time later.Now he's 42 with a tire shop he owns that makes easily 200k a year and has the real estate and PPE too.He went to college AND CAME BACK to the tire shop because he had vision.
>>61832353more retarded LARPs.>>61832354>ownership outside of public markets is incredibly rare. depends on the size of the company. """"pre-IPO"""" companies will dangle equity compensation to help offset their shit pay. as an example, in interviewed for a role with GoPuff a few years ago that had included equity compensation. they never did an IPO, they laid off a ton of people, and the privately held shares are basically worthless since they can't be easily sold.
>>61832354See the tire shop example below here: >>61832370It's RARE BECAUSE no one is smart enough to figure out the actual way to make it.You can and never will achieve what my tire shop friend did. Because you won't ever try. And you'll never even look for the opportunity and "working cheap" is beneath you.STAY POOR. Fine by me quite literally.
>>61832379>$200k grossyou're leaving out the part where he funded it with an SBA loan at 12% interest and his take home is far less than that. also the 'tire shop story' is a story of buying a small business, not a story of being offered an equity stake in a small business.
>>61832372>equityYou guys are totally opped.You literally just have a contract that says "X ownership of company for Y inputs" and then it goes.You can sell half a business outright. You can easily make a contract, like the tire shop example, where you pay it off over time by working under what you "should" get.It's unreal how shitty and stupid and NON BUSINESS oriented this forum is.
>>61832386you sound extremely unsophisticated and the LARP gets more obvious by the post.
>>61832384No, I'm not.I told you the story. He was my across the street best friend my whole life.He literally WORKED AT THE TIRE SHOP FOR TEN YEARS under a contract of getting progressively more ownership as he worked for $20k less every year than he could make elsewhere.The owner got to keep the $20k, he was old and loved it.You can't imagine and will never make it.
>>61832389>LARP changes to an earn-out arrangement with a purchase price of $200k that yields $200k/yr owner draw or probably $400k/yr gross
>>61832370Unironically it is like this in Japan, any smart and driven person can be a fucking rice farmer making six figures IN DOLLARS IN RURAL FUCKING JAPAN, all you need to do is move to a dying village start hoarding hectares of rice paddies that are used by fucking 70-80 years old, buy your own mill and sell direct to consumer. Unironically a lot of the problems with the rural economy is like how the AUG was overpowered for like 10 years in CSGO but no one used it.You get to live cheap, earn more than a wagie in the city and work less than the wagie too. Just pump out 6 children with your wife and red pill then in rural entrepreneurship
>>61832388kekI sold $4,500 of stuff online yesterday and have 12 employees and operate out of a fully owned PPE worth easily 2 million at this point.I've spent ten years getting ready for a leap. Someone can get on board if they come in.I've actually been eyeing the local talent because I know a few guys that work for Verizon or something and I know they have talent from high school.But...I don't offer health or anything, just a paycheck.
>>61832395kysI'm giving examples of how these things can and do happen.LOOK AT ALL THIS YOU CAN'T EVERYONE!LOOK AT THE YOU CAN'Ts.They are absolutely seething.Get out and do something You can make it. But not in the way they programmed you to think "making it" is.You have to go out and DO SOMETHING.Godspeed to all that try.
>>61832397KING.Boomers want to cash out while alive. There are many operations ripe for the pickings, but YOU have to make the move or they'll just peter themselves out and their heirs will sell the place on liquidation because they are too "opped" to run a tire shop or do rice paddies.
>>61832416>>61832420your numbers are vague and make no sense.
>>61832435Me again, in my corner office now after dropping kids.If you come in, and have talent (you don't), I'll show them to you explicitly and we can decide on something.Good luck with globocorp.
>>61832518i make $180k and work remotely in a MCOL area.
>>61832518>>61832521also it's bizarre that you allegedly own this business and yet you brag about a corner office (and having bare minimum workplace flexibility) like it's something you had to compete for?
>>61832187It's fucking grim. It took me a long fucking time to get this job I have now. Like a year of solid job hunting. Many interviews. But it is a great job, very good. WFH cybersecurity for a very profitable big bank.
>>61832370>boomers>teaching anybody anythingThis larp is so fucking stupid and you know it
>>61832521>>61832524Seething. You should be happy then.How high up on the list of earners do you think you are?I'm talking to people that aren't getting hired AS THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.More power to you retard.>bare minimum workplace flexibilityWhat does this even mean? kek
>>61832545I know another boomer selling, through work over time, his birdhouse business that is quite successful.He wants out. It's easy pickins for someone that wants to run a business and go next level.I'm in a town of 8,000 people and I've now described this happening twice and am saying I'm interested as well if someone good enough comes knocking.But I'm only 41.Typing as I send out an email to my 30,000 customer list (only collected from actual buyers over the years).
>>61832563>bare minimum workplace flexibility>What does this even mean? kekhis comment about coming in to the office after dropping his kids off at school. anyone with a college degreed job can, in general, can show up to work a bit late, as long as the work gets done. it's a bizarre comment from someone who allegedly owns and commands a multi million dollar a year business.
>>61832571>$3 million revenue>30k customersthe LARP gets dumber by the second.
>>61832587You have no idea what a business is do you?I've been in business for 15+ years.People don't buy things every day you absolute blithering idiot.I've made 500,000+ online sales. I think my OM is up to 650000+ in the order number range and that doesn't at all include walkins we do paper tickets for.I've collected easily 150,000 emails over time and pair them down and get rid of non openers every year so I'm not overpaying for my mail service which counts by addresses, not opens.Jesus Christ.It's a good thing you work FOR someone because you'd never make it otherwise.Guys like you need someone above them. You are a highly paid "cat" I referenced earlier.Only can do and imagine what someone tells you to do.
>>61832579SEETHING.I was explaining my IP/ID change. Yet you see some flex. Talk about a complex.The days I don't have the kids I'm here at 6:30.
>>61832617>You have no idea what a business is do you?i'm a CPA and also, at one point in time, i held a CVA designation. again, none of your numbers make sense.
>>61832630>im a CPA>I make assessments on offhand examples made by peopleGood luck. My CPA is great and runs our payroll AND GUESS WHAT?He got his CPA, moved back to a small town, WORKED FOR A LOCAL DUDE UNTIL HE OWNED THE PLACE.
>>61832650go look up what a CVA designation is.
>>61832650So now I'm at 3 examples in my little town.I guess I just run with a super group of business chads?Or, OR, is this actually achievable by a talented person with a mind for doing something himself and actually making it?It's the latter.
>>61832653I can go to the bank right now and have an open credit line for $500,000.I have that much cash on hand though so I don't finance anything.Don't like owing.I thought you were refering to the stroke you are having at first though.
>>61832630>current>THIS MINUTE'Sweb trafficI'll update once the email goes out as I like to watch the spike.
>>61832198>$60k a year is enoughWell, let's see...- 7.5% of that 60k goes to state income tax (down to $55,500)- 22% of that 60k goes to federal income tax (down to $42,300)Divide that by 12, and your monthly take home is $3525/mo ($42,300/year)- You're going to need a car which requires insurance, registration, gas, oil changes, etc. ($250/mo and that's shooting really low AND buying a car outright)- You're going to need a place to live (average house in the USA is worth $350,000 at the moment, you're looking at a place to life for $1,900 / mo (38% DTI ratio on a $60,000 salary).- You're going to need a cell phone, internet, heat, electricity, and water at your residence ($500/mo and that's shooting really low)Now lets factor in other essentials such as groceries, clothes, maintenance on your car / house, etc. ($500/mo and that's shooting really low)You've now spent $3150 of that $3525 and have $375/mo to spend on a wife and kids.Are you sure that $60,000 / year is enough?
>>61832719But the point is that you are planning for a future where you own a business.topkekGood luck being EMPLOYED your whole life.>$1,900/m for a houseYou can currently rent a 5 bedroom lake house in my town for that.Average rent for a 3 bedroom ranch is $700 here.If you want to make it, you have to sacrifice and work towards something ten years from now my friend.You wrote a WHOLE POST about how you can't do it.Which...makes me very sure you can't.However, it's being done right now.
Forgot to put a call to action link and it's a miserable response. I haven't sent one out in a year because I'm too busy with B2B and other such.Actually very illustrative of the original position I described rural business people in.I'll update it and send out the revised to the non openers on Wednesday.
>>61832207Absolute rookie numbers
>>61832198this only works if the geriatric owner's son doesn't tell you to fuck off
>>61832220You don't fucking tell them that.>>61832198This is good advice. Be the big fish in a small pond.>>61832229More seriously know someone who works there, they say "dang I think we are looking for someone" and you say "okay check with them and I'll let you know I'm putting in my application" and then you miss all the cackling HR ladies tossing it aside
>>61832389>20k/year for 10 years for eventual control of the businessHow the fuck did he buy a small business for $200k when the cost of the building + lot alone exceeds that? And then he handled all the licensing, regulations, insurance, payroll, inventory, suppliers, contracts, etc. all by himself? Otherwise I don't see how he could afford to pay people to handle that shit for him without ever needing a SBA loan whose terms are usually downright terrible because he's not Sukdeep buying a gas station.
>>61832719What’s this obsession with houses? Most young men are single and without children. Nobody needs that much empty space for themselves. Live within your means. That being said I live in a pricey area and provided I was debt free I could buy a $350k 3 bedroom place on my own if I wanted to. I was pre-qualified apparently according to a family friend who wanted to help me out but it would have been difficult to afford it with debt. Only like a $10k down payment is necessary for a first time homebuyer as well, though I would still prefer an apartment if I was living alone to save more money.
>>61833613Small businesses do all that stuff themselves.
>>61832187>Be me in 2015>Need a job>Brother gets me a $10hr Gig making aircraft parts>After 3yrs I'm super good at it>Apply for a ITAR aerospace job >Get interview scheduled 2 days later>About 10min of questions.>They give me a quick hands on test.>I build their test part within 15min>Shit is right on the money (+-0.001in)>They hire me on the spot>Currently at $62hr soon to be $70Sounds like y'all need to get good.Actually skilled people get jobs immediately.The competency crisis is real.
>>61833613because he's lying
>>61832198kys boomer
>>61832187I'm in my first year of practicing law and I get blown up by recruiters. Always opportunities in litigation. But I went to a good school and started at a goof firm. The work is kind of hell too kek.
>>61832187In my country, in my little corner of the world, jobs are abooming. You can even swap jobs monthly, for better paying ones.Perhaps your graph is about some decaying 3rd world shithole hellscape
>>61832187The fuck do they need 3 interviews for? God I absolutely despise the corporate landscape, I hope all of these companies get shredded by AI and the wage culture dies to a high degree.
>>61835296It's great to me how sour people that have jobs are at even the thought of doing something besides slaving for globocorp.I actually get highly encouraged knowing how shitty the average /biz/ poster is.>>61835279Same as above.But no. It's a rural town and the boomer was happy to get paid out an extra 20k a year and hand it off. At the end I believe he lump sum paid off another 100k or so...I don't have the intimate details.But it's called Marathon tire and my friend since age 8 runs it and he had nothing to do with it at all AFTER HE GRADUATED BUSINESS SCHOOL.He literally went to college and saw this and decided to do it and now he makes more money than you.He had worked there as a high schooler and saw it as an opportunity that could be expanded with a younger, more energetic guy running it.He was right.
>>61835419To elaborate...A boomer business with no one to run it is worth basically nothing.There was an office supply in town. This would not be the best bet in town.But two old boomers ran it. Probably pulled $120k between the two of them. Servicing machines in the area and etc.Sons didn't want it. They just retired outright and the business doesn't exist anymore.Someone could have picked it up quite cheaply and taken on all existing clients. I was one of them and probably spent a couple thousand with them each year.I'd have kept whoever took over the operation.Now, this would not be my bet. But it shows how little an old boomer business is if there is no one in line to run it. Basically nothing.The tire guy example is the same, but the boomer made decent money and was getting old. So it was enough to make a lot better money on his way out than have nothing at the end and no one to sell it to.There isn't an endless line of people waiting to buy a tire shop and basically NO ONE will outlay the full cost of it at once because it makes no sense.But my friend and the boomer came to an agreement that was good for both of them and now he owns a nice tire shop and it makes even more money now that someone with youth and vigor runs it again.
>>61835279You also have to factor in that he took over management from the boomer.So the boomer got more money than before per year and got to fuck off and go hunting. So that in itself was worth a lot of money to the boomer.You have to open up your mind to how people actually think and where the leverage points are.The old boomer is looking at shutting down entirely (no income) or continuing to run the business (he's tired). So these work to your favor if you aren't old, tired, and wanting to fuck off and hunt every day.The boomer got TIME AND MONEY. The time has a very high value to a boomer that spends EVERY DAY trudging through shit he's too old to enjoy anymore.Plus, in true boomer fashion, he got to talk about it a lot around town and "be involved" for years while doing nothing.I'm only 41 and I'm already tired and want to fuck off.
