if the US does this I will immediately buy a house with land, guns, gold, food, and other physical assets and prepare to deter thieves

>>61847894
it really is completely nonsensical. the product of a failed state

I don't live in the Netherlands but here is my first idea:
Let's have an anon with dutch tax residence create a new crypto called KANKERCOIN with 100 Quadrillion coins.
If the creator owns the entire supply at the first record date and then sells 1 (one) to any other anon for 1 EUR he would then have a tax obligation of 36 Quadrillion EUR.

Any dutchfags up for this?

Europe: "We need people to invest in European companies so we can compete with America and China."

Also Europe: "Let's make it a nightmare for investors."

Thank fuck I'm not in Europe.

>>61847894
Not from the Netherlands, but that is a truly terrifying precedent because I think everyone who lives in a western european country has at some point heard news about some utterly insane propositions by one of their left wing parties regarding capital gains reforms. We always assume they get shot down because of how retarded they are.

>>61847925
I live in the Netherlands. What we could do, is what you suggested, before the first record date. Then, we dump it down to zero before the next record date, and it removes any tax obligations as it counts as a deductible loss.

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>>61847894
I used google translate and this not what this law is saying?
it says the value is calculated once you sell.

Are you a lying retard by any chance?

>>61847936
How long would the deductible loss stay "useful"? If it counts against ALL future gains forever this could be a way to get a 0% tax rate for the rest of our lives.

>>61847943

There are more shills here than /pol/ now. Mistranslated, overblown, clickbait headlines attempting to trigger politicized emotional reactions.

>>61847943
All reputable news sources I can find call it a tax on unrealized capital gains, so your google translate must be wrong. If it was simply a 36% capital gains tax, that would hardly even be newsworthy.
>>61847949
why are bootlickers like this immediately trying to run defense for governments trying to completely fuck over their citizens?

>>61847943
Your translation is wrong.

>Hierbij worden de werkelijke inkomsten uit vermogen en de (positieve of negatieve) waardeontwikkeling belast en zijn kosten aftrekbaar.
...
>Daardoor wordt waardeontwikkeling voor deze vermogensbestanddelen belast bij realisatie, zoals bij verkoop.
It says the change in networth will be taxed AS IF IT WAS SOLD not when it is sold.

>>61847963
>>61847959

https://cryptobriefing.com/dutch-tax-unrealized-gains-crypto/

Well if this is true, then it's pure and simply the death of any investor in crypto and stocks in NL. I didn't know NL was such a socialist shit hole. This is going to backfire heavily. I know if something like that passed in my country i would either sell everything and fuck off immediately or keep my stack secret

kek baggies

>>61847948
Just for the tax year it occured, unfortunately.

>>61847894

I'm thinking what if you set up a business incorporated in another EU state and you hold your investments there.
Then pay yourself through a combination of salary and dividends (with a tax efficient timing)

>>61847894
They have free healthcare, free education, 5 weeks of mandatory vacation regardless of employer, 1 year paid maternity, free medication, unlimited sick time, workers rights to not get fired without 4 months notice and 3 months severance, walkable cities and actual infrastructure so you do not need thousands of dollars in car payments and more.
I would rather have a real safety net and guarantee for my security then your scenario of banking on some random crypto shitcoin mooning 10x so you can afford a simple medical procedure without going bankrupt.
And that is before they allow this for everyone in the USA but the elites, which is coming

>>61847980
midwit detected.

The money will go to hostile muslims, crooked politicians, and some of it might actually be used for the purpose you mentionned.

Also, this tax will actually DECREASE the state income since no one sane in mind will actually invest anymore over there. Socialism at its finest

>>61847943
>it says the value is calculated once you sell.
The law says you will get taxed on your actual ROI for stocks and any cash as so called "vermogensaanwasbelasting".For RE and start-ups they will have the 'tax when cash out' model.

Those motherfuckers complaining about being taxed on fictional gains are going to lose everyone with actual gains soooo much fucking money it is unbelievable.

The state here relates to its citizens as a farmer does to his milk-cows; take the antibiotics, stay in your allotted place, eat the slop and pay up.

>>61847980
>they give me free shit
for now

>>61847980
you guys still send us tulips every year for saving you fags from the nazis. Don't make us regret it. Amsterdam has got decent weed and I like the magic mushrooms so I'll let it slide this, Klaas.

>>61847976
So why not create a new shitcoin every year?
As long as every dutchfag can vibecode themselves a moneroclone and use it manipulate their paper net worth every year it would result in a 0% tax rate forever, right?

>>61847991
No, you don't understand
It's a law

>>61847980
You leftist americans are so fucking ignorant about European social securities it's not even funny.
No you fucking moron, we don't have "free" healthcare. If you have a job, you pay for your healthcare. Just because it's a mandatory fee that is automatically deducted from your paycheck doesn't make it free. And if you have a well paying job, you pay like 5 times what the minimum payment is for the exact same coverage.

>>61847980
>life is all healthcare and education
nigger I haven't been in school in 20 years and haven't needed a doctor in 10+
imagine paying enormous taxes on every hour of your working life just because some stupid faggot thinks there is nothing more to life than doctor visits and school

>>61847894
I am a dutch and i approve of this

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>>61847894
>rich people flee from NL
>"our tax revenue has gone lower after the unrealised capital gains tax"
>"therefore we must raise taxes to make up for the deficit" since cutting the reckless spending on bullshit will never be on the table
>middle class flees NL
>"we need more taxes to sustain the welfare state"
>imports even more niggers to make up for the loss of productive population
>more niggers means more spending on paying the livelihood of said niggers
>"we need to raise taxes to protect the poor people"
>6 gorillion % tax on everything
>worst possible case scenario: ASML implodes despite the AI cyclejerk and nukes every economy on the planet
im so sick and tired of europe turning every country into a communist african ghetto for no reason.

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Any good books that discuss the "using your portfolio as collateral" infinite money loop? Not sure where to get started but I imagine that alongside inheritance loopholes are the main difference between normies and wealthies

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Obviously unfair and will backfire horribly, but how could that even work? everyone will sell at the same time in netherlands. Imagine all netherlands companies list in stocks exchange with mainly NL holders. They will all sell before the tax date or right after it to realize their "unrealized" gains. But that is also very retarded, if you can account unrealized losses, then if you hold crypto you have a bear market thats a shit lot of unrealize losses you might end up paying no taxes at all (although i suppose this isn't what they want, they want to take all your shit so there is probably something against that)
Also, i want to say the following: taxes are completely gay and retarded. I'm not entirely sure you really HAVE to pay them unless you get under regular IRS scrutiny. it's all made up fiction that we somehow internalize. You don't owe anyone anything unless you took a loan or some shit. i think more and more people will take the illegal route seeing what the money ends up used for

>>61848019
Just how poor and hopeless does someone have to be that they'd approve of their government removing any and all ability for them to ever gain financial security? Even if you were broke right now and envious of other's wealth, surely you don't expect to be a broke loser for the entire rest of your life, do you?

>>61847980
as a burgerfat your uneducated ass can easily come to europe and get that free healthcare free education. illegals do so why not you? and yet you won't
whereas as yuropoor if i want to move to your country, lmao good luck with that
>you have the option and don't exercise it
>i don't have the option and wish i could exercise it
real dynamics at work, no matter your lavish ameritard boo hoo i'm mad at mommy and daddy "political" stances

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How this works in practice:

Scenario:
>$10,000 investment over 10 years, achieving 15% return per year, with a random 40% market drop on year 8.

>Overall return without tax: +110% = $21,107

Now the same scenario with 36% tax on gains every year:
>15% diminished to 9.6%
>Year 7: $18,996
>Year 8 (40% drop): $11,397
>Year 10: $13,691
>Total return: 36.9%.
If you held a 10year bond at 4%, you'd have $14,802.

>>61848019
Must be a fucking retard then.

>>61848039
Rich people need to pay their fair share

>>61848016
Let's say you do everything you are told, you do well in school, you go and get a college degree in something worthwhile, get and keep a decent job, and count every dollar living frugal. After a slight medical episode you take out a few thousand and invest, and make a massive 10-100x off of it. You use that to pay off your debt entirely
Congradulations, you have successfully gotten to the point where the average dutch citizen was at the beginning of their career with free education and healthcare, but with no benefits they have.

>>61848010
I haven't had a medical treatment in 20 years and in that time I have paid around 36k directly for compulsory insurance.

However, the state pays around 100 billion for health care every year (https://www.rijksfinancien.nl/financieel-jaarverslag/2024/bijlage/7759066) and roughly 10 million pay taxes (although mostly it is paid by the top 3 or 4 million). This means 10k every year per tax payer, or 240k in the last 20 years, in total 276k. Mind you I have been lucky enough to have received and used no healthcare whatsoever. Realistically, however, most is paid by the higher earners and anyone making any money at all will end up paying 20k or more yearly via taxes, whether they are ill or not. In essence I pay around 1500 a month for my health insurance.

I actually like our healthcare, but free healthcare it really isn't.

>>61848052
1 they already are, you think the state gets its money from poor seething leftists retards like you?
2 they will not invest anymore and leave NL. this will take 2 to 3 years max and your tax revenue will decrease because of this measure.
Then, when your gov officials get used to their 15K month salaries doing nothing, guess who is going to get taxed more?

I'm leaving over een paar jaar and it will be funny to watch this country develop into an african schijtgat from afar. I've been planning to leave for years alreay but I never thought I'd actually be chased away. Being forced out makes it easier to cut ties with my poor friends who will have to stay behind. That's the part I don't look forward to. Oh well. I am going to SEA by the way.

>>61848052
yeah but this law doesn't single out rich people. Everyone who has any money invested will be fucked over equally. Except rich people actually have the ability to easily move to tax-haven countries whereis the middle class don't have that luxury, so they are the ones who will be paying. Again, do you expect to be completely broke and destitute for the entirety of your life and to never have any money invested whatsoever? Why are you even posting on this board if that is the case?

The only way out is that a top Minecraft player takes charge of the server and performs a country saving act, but it sure needs to be a big one

>>61847915
It is meant to confiscate wealth.
Central banking is communism.

>>61847925
Based as fuck kek

>>61847933
Janet Yellen spoke of it in America.
It will happen to all of us, Europe is the testnet for America

>>61848029
It will just get worse. We have cities in the U.S. now where the comptrollers are trying to explain to the governors and mayors, that illegals generally dont pay taxes, let alone full taxes. I'm in texas, we have cities that have literally taxed themselves out of existence and are now panicking. It's to the point now where it doesnt matter how much money they steal, the lack of actual citizens in some of these smaller cities has broken revenue down from $9 million a year to less than $20,000(just in my town). I guess in a way, the system is working and these weak towns are being weeded out. But People like me will suffer greatly until it does.

Sucks for dutch people, but it's a blessing in disguise for the rest of the world. Once their country turns to complete shit, lawmakers elsewhere will realize how fucking stupid this idea is, lmao

>>61847894
kek what a shithole

>>61848055
We do not have free healthcare and education in Europe.It's all paid by our taxes and mandatory healthcare fees. Get that into your head you uneducated socialist moron.

I pay 12% of my monthly salary for my "free" healthcare alongside nearly 30% of income tax which is paying for the "free" education. I bet that you can easily get a private health insurance in the US for less money, which will likely also have more coverage than my government healthcare provider gives me. The only people who get anything free in western europe are those who have nothing for the government to take away from. So yes, if you are unemployed, it's a great system. But that's not a sustainable economic model where you make it so only those who contribute nothing can thrive.

>>61847894
eurochuds voted for this

>>61848075
Most griefers do stupid shit like grief new players on the server instead of admins.
If you get banned anyway might as well grief an admin. Griefing is wrong though and I do not advocate it.

>>61847980
>They have free healthcare
With months of waiting time. And if you have an actual serious illness, you're going to get the most basic treatment possible. Simple cancers are still a death sentence over here.
>free education
College is mandatory, as you'll be paid minimum wage without a degree, and yet with a degree you're only getting paid slightly above minimum wage.
>5 weeks of mandatory vacation
More like 3 and your employer can (and will) say no against your requests.
>1 year paid maternity
16 weeks*
>free medication
lol I wish. We have something called "eigen risico", which is around 500 euros. The medicine is only free after you pay that amount on your own. This value resets each year.
>unlimited sick time
This sounds nice on paper, but if the company doctor says you're fit to work, you're either working or you're fired.
>worker rights to not get fired
Which we need, because jobs that don't offer minimum wage are rare and we get paid like absolute dogshit and have next to no savings.
If I did the same work in the US, I'd literally get paid three times as much while only have 1.5 times the costs, meaning I could easily pay the rent until I found a new job.

The Netherlands is a godforsaken hellhole with no opportunities and the only reason I'm here is because my college degree is so useless, I can't even apply to a foreign job.

>>61848083
>lawmakers elsewhere will realize how fucking stupid this idea is, lmao
HAHAHA
You are a comedian

>>61848090
You make it sound like being unemployed is this indication of a bad person who deserves it, and not that it is the common occurrence now after the social contract was broken where multi billionaire executives lay off entire departments without knowing who they are firing because an excel sheet told them to so the line to artificially go up for stockholders who do nothing
These are far more necessary then not getting your fair taxes in investments

>>61847894
Imagine taking pleasure in the misfortune of others. I can guess your ethnicity without seeing you

>>61847915
This is what people said when they created income taxes and CGT. Its just the never ending game of you will own nothing and be happy.

>>61848101
Lol retard, I work here too. Seems like I'm doing a lot better than some. Problems like shit wages are exactly because of worker's rights and unlimited sick time. These systems get exploited by lazy, corner cutters.

We need less rules, less taxes and more rewards for people willing to do the work. We need to ditch our obsession with having a "highly educated"population, when in practice this means just enrolling people in dumbed down and useless fields. Hopefully you start doing better soon!

>>61848115
According to the most recent government data, the unemployment rate in the Netherlands is at 4%. So yeah, great idea, let's make it so 96% of the population can no longer get ahead in life financially so the 4% don't feel bad and like they're missing out.
Also what the fuck do you even mean by fair taxation? People in Europe already pay a massive amount of taxes through their income tax. We pay our taxes on our income, then when we invest our hard earned money you think it's fair that we also get taxed not just through a regular capital gains tax but even on unrealized gains, effectively destroying any chance of compounding interest to work in your favor? I cannot express how much I hate you and your ilk. You are a blight on this earth.

>>61848099
Yeah. Potential Griefers dont have shit to lose so they won't care about (or understand) this at all

>>61847894
Man do they keep getting worse. I have two online frens who live/lived in Europe. One has already left cause it sucks and the other one is planning on leaving elsewhere. Both weren't even in the same European country.

>>61847980
>inb4 they remove all that time off
You seem unsually defensive. You okay?

>>61848083
You don't live in an EU country. If you did you knew how other governments here would look at this and try to minmax scamming their own citizens.

>>61847980
>They have free healthcare
It isn't free, you pay your health insurance, and then you also pay the initial procedures'/medications' costs.
Also, there is no healthcare. There's only paracetamol prescription system with long waiting times.

>>61848130
I would stop using those numbers, its the same bullshit statistics globalist use. The real story in those numbers is the resources those 4% use. So much so that it requires the other 96% plus some, why is that? Its assumed that the population is just 100% all of the time, but it isn't. We are paying for a over 100% influx of population, but being told its less than 4%. Literal kike math.

>>61848142
The system worked decades ago but slowly transitions into some abomination that combines the worst aspects of both the American and European system.

the 36% alone would literally kill me but unrealized gains tax on top of that. holy shit. what are people from the nl going to do now? property or gold bars? thats literally it, isnt it? I am from germany and this kind of shit scares me to death. our politicians will look at that and think its a good idea to save our failing pension system. take from people who save privately for their pension just to give it to people who do jack shit.

>>61848115
What exactly is your fair share of my hard work?

>>61848149
>worked decades ago
This might be true, but you can guess how much I care about what it _was_ when I need a treatment today.
Today there is no healthcare system.
I visit hospitals through Schiphol.

>>61847915
In reality Netherlands is like the best and most developed country in the world right now. You right-wingers keep on being delusional.

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>>61847894
>Governments spend more than they have to win votes
>Have a declining birthrate meaning less people to tax and generate revenue from to pay off the existing debt
>Create a situation where you constantly need new people so revenue(GDP) outpaces the debt repayment
>Boomers start to retire creating the situation where the state both loses revenue(GDP) and has to increase spending all while the amount of workers contributing to the system decreases while more people take from it
>Import brown people to counter the declining native population so that revenue(GDP) outpaces the ever increasing debt so you can maintain the existing welfare state
>Brown people you imported don't actually contribute to revenue(GDP) and are actually a net drain on the economy
>Government goes even deeper into debt because you now have less revenue(GDP) and even higher spending costs
A tax on unrealised gains is coming worldwide, the usury based economic system will collapse otherwise

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Yeah i'm heading to portugal next year. Fuck this socialist shithole i will pull as many people with me as possible and start a community over there.

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>>61848063
>they already are!

>>61848147
It doesn't fucking matter what you believe the real unemployment number to be, even if it was fucking 50%, it is still a completely indefensible position to cheer for the government to remove the ability of their citizens to make investments with their hard earned money and letting compounding interest work in their favor. It doesn't help the unemployed one bit that the middle class is getting fucked over financially. If anything, this is even worse for people that are losing their jobs because if you had a decently well paying job and you were able to make some good investments and you were let go, now you lost both your income AND your personal investments are unsustainable and unprofitable as well.

>>61848168
>most developed country
You mean that we ran out of the land to develop? You're damn right, in that sense NL is the most developed country.

>>61848016
>there’s more to life tham makimg sure that billionaires live as cushy lives as possible

Lmaoing at you americans.

>>61847972

Good thing the government has no idea how much gold I have. Kek. Blockchain? Smith Snitchchain more like.

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>>61848177
Your popular music alone is like 5-10 years ahead of rest of the world, not to mention the festivals, drug policy ect. And your public transportation system is just wild. You can get anywhere under an hour cheap and easily. All of northern europe is the ”dream state” in terms of social security and development, but i think that right now netherlands is just the peak of the peak.

>>61848168
i hecking love housing bubbles
seems like the thing first world countries excel at is inflating real estate prices
you vill own nothing
eat ze bugs
rent ze real estate

Unrealized gains tax is what you get when sub 100 IQ people rule over you.

>>61848180
If leftists could press a button that would make the lives of billionaires 0.1% worse and at the same time it would make the lives of all regular people 10% worse, they'd press that button exactly 10 times.

>>61848195
That whole WEF bad and trying to control you is like the most indian brown third world non-sense ever. WEF is the most white organization to exist. Of course brown indians fear it.

>>61848194
>Your popular music alone is like 5-10 years ahead of rest of the world, not to mention the festivals, drug policy ect. And your public transportation system is just wild
these are things only young people care about desu. with the new tax change you cant save/invest yourself out of slavery (employment). now everyone has to work until they die. at least beforehand you had the option of saving yourself out. none of these things are even remotely worth a life in slavery. its pretty much a hell hole from my point of view. I would rather live in a poor european country than the nl.

>>61848194
>MUH HECKIN FESTIVALS AND DUDE LE HECKIN WEED AND SHIEEET
Kill yourself retarded faggot. I don't know why people glaze this swamp german eurotrash shithole so fucking much

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HOW ELSE ARE THOSE BROWN MIGRANTS GOING TO GET GOVERNMENT-FUNDED HOUSING AND FOOD
BETTER PAY UP

>>61848210
>literally such a bitch that regular work is too much from him

Man this place is full of dysgenetic losers these days.

>>61848215
I was on 4chan in 2008. I’m good at recognizing ”it” and currently netherlands is the best at ”it”.

>>61848219
>we need more brown people to fund the natives pensions
>we need more brown people to fund the brown peoples pensions

it's just a pyramid scheme

>>61848226
>I was on 4chan in 2008
kek, no you weren't. and everyone knows it. silly little guy

I'm thinking about going to a nordic country.
Norway has wealth tax so it's a no no.
Denmark is even worse with the tax laws.
Sweden looks aight, not that bad tax wise but it's fucking SWEDEN. Maybe the north ain't so bad?
Finland, I dunno anything about.

>>61848233
It's because the people in charge actually think that all people are fundamentally the same and it's only by virtue of their circumstance of being in a third world shithole that they're low IQ primitives, so as soon as they import them to the West they will become Western because differences are purely environmental, it's called the "Tabula rasa, Latin for blank state" and it's a core leftist belief

>>61848168
cities are pretty shit with 50% african and muslim populations

>>61848236
Interesting cope, election tourist. You guys really brought down the IQ of this place.

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>>61848174
>portugal
good choice, i would advise staying away from big cities such as oporto or lisboa for maximum nigger avoidance.

>>61848242
dunno who you are trying to escape here. you cant outrun brussel. in the long run every eu country will look the same (brown and taxed to death)

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>>61848168
>In reality Netherlands is like the best and most developed country in the world right now.
Fine by me, how unrealized gains are going to help ordinary citizens? I would understand if opposite was true - if Bitcoin slumped and holder would get tax rebate due to unrealized losses.

>>61847894
The EU is hell on earth: the Netherlands is a tax haven for large companies, such as Italian ones, and at the same time hell for Dutch citizens.
It's disgusting.

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>>61847894
done by right wing parties.

>>61848168
>You right-wingers keep on being delusional.
this is not about politics, its about policies that lead to ruin. Maybe it doesnt affect you now but shit like this will turn anything into venezuela eventually.
>b-but you are talking about a failed left state
what is china then? ideology is a jewish vehicle that rides the propaganda road. it matters not what vehicle you use if the destination is throwing everyone to a cliff.

>>61848289
The right wing doesn't exist in a lot of european countries. Sure, they have "right wing / euroskeptic / whatever" parties but these parties are not right -wing in an american sense and will happily tax all your fucking money away. Europe really is a hellhole

>>61848168
>You right-wingers keep on being delusional.
i think CGT being discounted is wrong but taxing unrealized gains is actually fucking retarded. This is the type of shit that would actually make me want to leave a country.

>>61848242
Europe is going to federalize soon, they'll blame it on putin or trump or something

>>61847894
>buy a guarenteed rug and hold
>government now has to pay me every year forcunrealized losses

dutch people are retarded, it's very well known

>>61848156
Bullish as fuck for physical wealth off the grid.

>>61848168
zero tax for STELLANTIS, EXOR, ENI and other Italian BIG CAP.
36% for pople.
ok.
dutch is developed

>>61848333
>>people

>>61848160
I posted it as a reminder of what we had and could have but circumstances fucked us over.
Parliamentary democracy is a failed experiment.

>>61848313
It absolutely should but the way Mosley envisioned it. A CHVD EU would be literal paradise.

>>61848435
So why aren’t you making that chud pro-federalization european parlament party?

>>61847894
How degenerate is this tax?
>Lets say i invest 100$ in coin B and 100% in coin B
>coin A goes up in price 20% so now my investment is 120$
>7.2$ in taxes
>Coin B goes down in price 20% so now my investment is 80$
>total investment is 200$ still
How much tax you own to government, 7.2$ or 0?

isn't the point of this to make people hold less and force them to work for their money instead?
sounds like a good increase for workforce and productivity
it will move netherlands into a goldenage of higher gdp levels

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Norway, Denmark, Ireland, now Netherlands... only a matter of time before this kind of tax gets to France/Italy/Germany.

>>61848459
Work more for what? You literally cant invest those money you earned in anything without government jews leeching of you.

>>61848168
Developed = retarded.
It's the left winger way.

>>61848459
thats by far the most commie and retarded take I have seen on this board in the last 12 months. why are you even here if thats what you believe in?

>>61848471
there isn't a single economy that doesn't force its people into working

That is absolutely insane if true. Holy hell.

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If your investments go down does the Dutch Gov pay you back/give you tax credits for the percentage lost?

>>61848459
Not with all that social welfare you can get.
If it's a choice between working all my life without any hope of FIRE or just be a useless NEET, I'd be a NEET. I'd rather leech off that shit society than be a slave for it.

So what I’m hearing is the Netherlands just became Mecca for the wealthy to dump all their gains into crypto scams that they set up through a proxy in another country so they can offset any gains and then have their crypto rug pulls deposited into a Swiss bank account without paying taxes.

>exception for primary residence
fucking VVD boomers
I found some more info
>https://fiscalert.nl/belastingen/artikelen/nieuwe-box-3-wet-aangenomen-dit-verandert-er-in-2028
the law will (if it gets past the lower house) come into effect in 2028 but the new coalition (just inaugurated) already declared their intent to change it to a realized gains tax again.
>>61848459
The point is some european human rights court ruled the old system is illegal since you cannot tax people for money they don't have (i.e. imaginary gains on capital that actually made a loss) this forced our hand and we've been flailing around ever since. The old system was of course amazing during the btc run-up because you could go from 10k to 100k in a year and then pay taxes as if you'd earned 3% on that 10k instead of 1000% (next year you'd be on the hook for 3% or w/e over that 100k though, obviously).
Anyway don't kid yourself about any tax income being used to make society better, all of it will go towards paying boomer pensions.

>>61848501
hahahahahah
no

>>61848502
Of course, anyone would and this is why all socialists shitholes either go full communism gulag type shit or collapse into poverty stricken shitholes. Why fucking do anything if you can’t get ahead? If I’m going to be poor regardless, might as well sit around smoking weed and playing video games.

>>61848514
if the state fails there would be no free money handouts to people

it is weird how netherlands chose such a high amount of % tax though
but I guess they tax wages shitton too so it isn't that much different

>>61848513
>>61848501
yes you can deduct losses from future gains

>>61848526
https://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerstukken/wetsvoorstellen/detail?dossier=36748&id=2025Z09723
source: memorie van toelichting sec. 3.5

>>61848526
What?
Thats the most stupid thing i ever heard
>create shitcoin
>invest from main acc in said shitcoin
>tank price
>deduct billions

>>61848532
you'd go to prison for evading taxes

>>61848532
Yes I guess the system allows you to purposely max out your losses so that you have something to deduct in future years. The downside of that would be that you lose a lot of money lmao

>>61848283
Geniun question. This is going to collapse your stock market and economy. Why did they do this? Is it really a 30% tax on unreliased gains? This is now beyond clown world.

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>>61848542
because leftists are scoundrel, always trying to steal other people money so they can fund anti white invaders, lazyness, etc
Honestly this makes me angry. i'm going to fuck off if they do this here,

>>61847936
>>61847925
You gift the supply to the lads who voted on the proposal.
You sell for 1 euro and both own 1.
The politicians owning the supply need to pay the tax.
>they use taxpayer money to pay it

>>61848542
>This is going to collapse your stock market and economy.
not the big boys. big companies like asml which make up like 15% of the whole economy is mostly owned by us and foreign investors anyway. I dont think private investors have enough money in the game to matter on a global scale.

>buy stock
>go to sleep
>stock was pumped and dumped
>wake up homeless
cool

>>61848567
who do you think buys shitty small netherlands small caps lmao

>>61848168
only a wage slave rentoid would talk like this

>>61848580
gamblers?

>>61848514
Have you thought about just working for the betterment if your society? Why are you so selfish?

>>61848458
0, its supposed to be taxed on the total gains. But there will be a time where this structure forces you to take a fucking loan to pay your taxes or liquidate your ass. In theory you have a trail of losses that can pardon future gains taxes but this is only in place for 4 years. if i read this correctly:
>your portfolio goes from 10k -> 12k year 1
>get taxed
>then 12k->5k year 2
>no tax, supposedly storing a 7k buffer on future profits tax calculations
>then 5k->10k (apparently you dont get taxed in this 100% gain)
>but the buffer goes from 7k to 2k
>shit crabs for 4 years and the portfolio value doesnt move in the checkpoint dates for the tax calculation
>tax exemption buffer expires
>you paid 36% tax on floating 2k profit that never existed
it's supposed to be fully in place by jan 2028, its plenty of time to move to another country that doesnt hate people getting money in the stock market/crypto

>>61848283
European right wing is basically communism lite

>>61848168
Not for long lmao. You’re about to learn a valuable lesson

>>61848283

There is no "right wing" in Europe

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Only one way out of their system

>>61847936
Based and loophole pilled

>>61847980
>These replies
lmao you really triggered the thirdies with this truthnvke

The dutch invented stock markets, now they want to kill them.

>>61848019
Pleeg zelfmoord, alsjeblieft.

>>61848168
Everything these poltards are saying is crap. This is the problem with today's people, they learn a couple of things from diffferent cultures and they believe they know something. We are the best country in the world, we have the best music festivals, we are the most free, weed and mushrooms are legal, people are polite and we are the highest IQ nation (certified). People are just jealous that we are solid nation where people can go everywhere with their bycicle and everyone is polite.

This just opens up really great opportunities for engineering new financial products for the Dutch to circumvent this. Can't believe /biz/ is fading this

>>61848645
basically the only way to make it work is to sell the tax amount each year. No point in investing anymore really? unless you have some kind of roth ira stuff where taxes are calculated differently?

i'm getting real, real tired

>>61848767
Those products already exist and are way beyond /biz/'s price point

We hebben een serieus probleem.

>>61848781
Like what products? I'm imagining like tailored mass produced notes by an exchange that carry negative values but accrue gains until you want to exercise them.

>>61848001
Because they take the difference year to year. You can't be losing every year, you have to gain it first to be able to book it as a loss. So it only works once, before they implement this, otherwise you'll be liable for huge tax bills every other year.

>>61847894
does it work the other way as well. If the value of an asset falls you can offset the unrealized loss against your income?

>>61847894
Couple questions.
Does netherlands have any sort of tax sheltered accounts, and are they immune to this?
Does this mean if someone starts a company and that company gains in value they are effectively forced to sell of partial ownership of that company unless they somehow have the liquid cash to cover the gains tax?

>>61848759
Fuck your faggotty ass bikes.

>>61847894
That's funny as fuck, at that point I'd really move country (Germany has 0% taxes on crypto if held for a year).

>>61847894
BASED
TAX THE FINANCIER PARASITE OLIGARCH CLASS OUT OF EXISTENCE

Why don't Dutchanons/Euroanons just move? Go live in Russia under a shared values visa. Just cash out and leave. If enough young men leave, the state breaks.

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>>61847943
did you just question an epstein media narrative bro???

>>61848845
They'll just shift the tax risk to a different country lol

>>61848076
Money isn't worth anything if you're not using it. Gonna cry about it?

>>61848849
Nice try, youre not drafting me into dying in trenches, russian glowie.

>>61847894
>we are too greedy and can't keep the govt budget under control
>let's extort those who delay gratification through investments instead

>>61848868
>He says with a straight face while buying his weekly options and crypto deposit

>>61848242
Why? If you have to live in Europe, move to Russia. Its the only country there with a real future.

>>61848759
What does any of that have to do with the fact that your government just took away any and all chances for you to ever reach financial freedom through making smart investment choices? You have great music festivals, so it's okay the government takes away your ability to generate wealth by investing in the stock market? What kind of retarded logic is this? And people who speak out against this blatant government overreach and injustice are poltards?

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>>61848878
Just fucking stop, Ivan, go die in trench yourself

>>61848865
You don't need to serve in the war (although you'll get $100k tax free if you do). The job market in Russia is very hot since lots of men are going to war due to the better pay. If you decide to sign a contract, you could probably take out lots of debt in the west, throw the money into monero, and flee to Russia. Signing the contract will prevent you from being extradited. So you get the sign on bonus + whatever you can steal from the EU.

The best way to fuck over the EU and their supporters is to work for their enemies. If the EU wants to fuck you, you can fuck them back.

>>61848895
>targeting minorities
This is anti-russia fud, putin is too much of a soijak to do this. I think they are avoiding conscription in the major cities or people with high education jobs, so that probably biases recruitment to minorities, but its not deliberate.

That said, anyone willingly moving to Russia right now is a tard or suicidal

>>61848794
I'm no expert so don't really want to try naming specific methods or mechanisms available for people in Netherlands I don't have full info on. But wealth management/asset management as a service exists for purpose of avoiding shit like this.
Maybe something like what you're describing would work, but it working would come down to convincing Netherlands tax authority there is no unrealized gain linked to an asset on that whatever bullshit instrument you make up. That's probably too risky for richfags who could just eat wealth management fees instead.

>implying rich people wont just move
lol lmao even

"new york has the highest concentration of billionaires anywhere"
yeah what was 5% of them actually pay taxes there because they're not idiots. same deal, no one but poors will pay it.

>>61848759
>but muh circuses
>muh weed
>muh drugs
>who cares if I have no future or socio-economic mobility? dood weed!

>>61848954
They have tax advisors, they can establish some LLC that will make them pay less, they have a tax haven like Luxembourg one hour away. Of course they will barely notice this. This will fuck up the middle class of Netherlands.

>>61848759
hubris

>>61848560
Genius

>>61848966
>Of course they will barely notice this. This will fuck up the middle class of Netherlands.
Avoiding shit like this costs about 10k a year, that's it. Any private bank can do it. Look for ones using Luxembourg as the domicile of their funds.

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>>61847894
That will drive money into real estate and startups so the immigrants have jobs and housing.

This will make everyone cash out before the tax event every year regardless of performance. This is unbelievably retarded, benefits the rich, new African immigrants screws over the common man.

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The priority in EU.r.s.s.

>>61848759
How much does the average house cost, again?
And what are the median household income and costs?
Oh. I see.

>>61847987
You should vermogensaanwasbelast my dirty hairy unwashed anus lmao

>>61849008
>Avoiding shit like this costs about 10k
You have no idea how valuable 10k is here lmao
That's like several years of savings.

>get taxed 36%-49.5% on income
>pay a 21% VAT (9% if it's food)
>pay 5.21% for their """"free"""" medical
>pay 5% property tax
>pay 27% in whatever they call their social security
>now have to pay 36% on unrealized capital gains
Am I understanding this right? How do the Dutch even survive in this overly taxed hellhole?

>>61849105
You forgot their wealth tax.

>>61849105
they are the dumbest population in europe, thats why jews flocked here originally. State propaganda is their kryptonite

>>61849137
and yes I say 'their' because, while I am dutch, i am a %0.001 outlier. these people are so fucking stupid that I dont consider myself one with them anymore. May africans rape everyone who stays behind lol. losers

>>61847894
If this is true, why is the dutch index green today? None of them invest in their own country?

>>61847925
This has the makings of something really epic
Some ideas:

* we collectively pump crypto during tax period, knowing .nl holders will owe massive tax and be forced to sell, front run by shorting - becomes predicatble swing trade.

* create a token that claims its derives its value from foreign bonds. that is claim USABONDCOIN holders get .001 of all USA Bond payments. Issue 100 quadrillion tokens and inform tax authority of valuation metrics
* Print 100 quadrillion coins, get .nl to recognize potential tax as asset, disrupt international currency markets as potential bad debt write off becomes massive hole in balance sheet.

Lots of fun ahead for us boys

>>61849163
it will go in effect in 2028, IF it doesn't get changed before that, which the coalition has already announced they will

>>61848951
Wealth management exists to sell you financial products. There's not some black magic where you can pay them an annual fee and suddenly you're able to create structured products better than a broker lol.

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>>61848951
Don't worry, the tax only applies for stocks and other assets. They made a cutout for landchads in it:
>Notably, the revised Box 3 system would be more favorable for real estate investors, allowing deductions for costs and taxation only upon realizing profits
Just become a slumlord, it's the easy.

>>61847894
A couple of weeks ago 'experts' on this board were claiming this law would never pass lmao

>>61849163
People don't keep track of political ongoings. It's only when they go in effect that people will start panicking.

>>61847906
>Gets ruby ridged immediately

The West has two kinds of elites. Those who earn their money from suspiciously skyrocketing asset prices. And those who earn it from fraudulent nonprofits with government contracts. The former wants to audit the government. The latter wants a tax on unrealized capital gains.

>>61847906
>if the US does this I will immediately buy a house
What exactly do you think property taxes are? The US already does this for real estate.

It's crazy how poor lefties think this is to help them and not to keep them permanently poor.

>>61849569
Actually lefties are seething because homeowners are exempt from the unrealized gains tax.

>>61848615
I’d consider it if there were no Jews or browns.

>>61847980
And they could afford that stuff without taxing unrealized gains if they didn’t invite the entire third world into their country and shower them with gibs.

>>61849605
>Leftists essentially want you to pay a 36% tax for life just for just owning a home

>>61848194
>the slave literally has to inebriate himself and put himself into a stupor to escape his life on a regular basis, not as a once in a while spice of life for a life worth living
>thinks others are the ones envying him
uh
ok
Like, are you the one performing at these music festivals gaining notoriety and making a bunch of money off the plebs throwing their lives / pensions away in their 15 minutes of fantasy? (Many being from out of the country so they don't even have to deal with your unrealized slave tax like you do) No? Well... have fun i guess?? actually very funny if this is not bait
I might enjoy the fire sale on a Dutch festival though once your country collapses (if they can still afford to put them on of course, will probably only be selling to wealthy foreigners at that point though), might be fun tiny bonus novelty in addition to my already profitable and enjoyable life in a functioning economy
For now enjoy the centerpiece of your life before I get to have it on the side for pennies on the dollar

>>61847894
how do you get around this? non-netherlands accounts?

>>61849766
Real estate. The bill has a cut out for them because landphobia is rampant there and landowners are an oppressed class of people.

yikes

>>61849764
>regular basis

Where did you get the regular basis? Spicing up life now and then is exactly what are what festivals are for. Don’t put words in my mouth lol. And are you saying that you can’t have fun at a festival unless you’re performing yourself? Lmao what a retarded take. I’m sure you masturbating to porn in your closet and seething at internet visions is much more ”patrician” than enjoying cutting edge party music with other fun and exciting people lmao.

>>61848174
>i'm fleeing my sinking ship to board another sinking ship
you might want to think twice about this one bud'

>>61847980
> They have free healthcare, free education, 5 weeks of mandatory vacation regardless of employer, 1 year paid maternity, free medication, unlimited sick time, workers rights to not get fired without 4 months notice and 3 months severance
>free free free
He types without a hint of irony at the insane taxes

>>61848759
Exactly, the fact that people are seething at the culture of the country with the highest iq on the planet tells everything about the iq of these people (and probably their skin colour too…).

>>61849766
Gold and silver

>>61848010
> Just because it's a mandatory fee that is automatically deducted from your paycheck doesn't make it free.
Exactly. It angers me immensely when they say it’s “free”. The thing is the American leftists yelling about “free” healthcare or whatever service don’t have jobs, so they don’t see the downside of being taxed.

>>61848958
>no future

People in northern european welfare states have a future with the highest chance. USA is full of homeless people on the streets who actually most likely don’t have a future.

>>61849733
You pack your bags and move

>>61848916
Kek there is no rule of law in Russia. The government can literally kill you at any times if they just decide so. I’m living in Helsinki and this place is swarming with russian immigrants with higher education.

>>61847915
Stop bootlicking for richfags. That's who this is for because they can use investments and loans on them to avoid paying taxes. The US budget deficit could be closed by 700 billion to over a trillion if richfags just paid their taxes, and if all unpaid taxes were actually collected we'd chop the debt down by 8-9 trillion. This is almost all owed by richfags, who also owns over 90% of all equities.

Meanwhile, they pass us $250,000 in national debt per worker, even though they constantly benefit from bailouts, mass migration, etc.

>>61850018
S-shut up commie! I read on 4chan that all left-wing policies are doomed to fail and public systems are inefficient and people who work for the public sector and are on welfare are lazy, so it must be true! Everyone has beem brainwashed by propaganda except me!

>>61850018
this better be bait.

>>61848016
>haven't needed a doctor in 10+
Father Time comes for us all you stupid nigger

>>61850018
>>61850034
You know this applies to everyone regardless of their wealth or income, right? They could have specifically applied it to wealthy people but they didn't, It also will impact pension funds, you're a fucking moron

>>61847894
>unrealised gains

That's fucking mental, how can investors afford to pay money which they haven't cashed out??

Why would you pay tax on your crypto? You'd literally be giving money to the enemy voluntarily. That's fucking retarded. I shiggy diggy.

>>61849766
Monero

>>61847894
How can they track how much bitcoin you bought and when btw

>>61848090
> I pay 12% of my monthly salary for my "free" healthcare
That’s insane. I pay 1%. My employer pays roughly 8%.

How many years until this practice becomes widespread around the world?

>>61848115
> lay off entire departments without knowing who they are firing because an excel sheet told them to so the line to artificially go up for stockholders who do nothing
It doesn’t happen that way which you would know if you had a job.

And yes you are a bad person for expecting something for doing nothing. It can both be true greedy jews destroyed our civilizations AND you be a lazy nigger.

>>61850152
Adopted or planned adoption in every Western nation by 2030, there's already been talk about doing it for years and it really started gaining traction during COVID

>>61850152
>norway
>denmark
>switzerland
>sweden
>finland
>and now netherlands
Looks grim desu

>>61847925
why dont dutchfags just buy enough rope for however many parliament members they have

>>61848916
>You don't need to serve in the war (although you'll get $100k tax free if you do).
>The best way to fuck over the EU and their supporters is to work for their enemies. If the EU wants to fuck you, you can fuck them back.
Is the war and recruitment going so bad you need to recruit from /biz/?

>>61850200
>commodity prices soar in the wake of global fiat death
>show up end masse for revolution
>"I understand your position, folks, but you still have to pay the tax on the appreciated value of this rope"
Don't think they wouldn't. They're bugs at this point

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>>61847894
Als je uit gaat van 7% rendement is belastingvrij vermogen 25714 euro per persoon van wat het eerst was 59357 euro is dat een harde daling. Waarschijnlijk worden dividend aandelen meer populair voor box 3.

>>61849950
>the first thing that pops in his head when evaluating development or where he's going to live and work and function is his once or twice a year pastimes and the location by which those in his spotify wrapped uploaded the FLAC files
Wild. Either retarded, ultra-resigned poorfag, or so wealthy this is only one location of many, in which case unrealized gain tax would make you want to leave regardless
Once you can't find work see me in VIP (foreigners / gov't officials only)

>>61847894
>>You now owe 10 800 EUR in taxes even if you did not sell it
Hm that sucks, but it's not-
>>If the price of Bitcoin falls between the second record date and the date of the tax assessment back to 70 000 EUR or even below THE FULL 10 800 EUR ARE STILL OWED
No... you're rage baiting me.

>>61848194
Nigger you posted this same shit in another thread a few weeks ago in an other thread about dutch tax gains.

I visited all the hardcore and hardstyle festivals and it's not that special. Muh drug policy. Only because you can buy weed in coffeeshops but the people who grow the weed will still go to jail and need pay back their profits if caught.
Yeah no shit sherlock that you can go everywhere in 1 hour because we have a small country. You can drive 1-2 hours and be in Belgium, 5 hours to be in Paris, 16 and 17 hours for Italy and Spain.

You probably never lived in the Netherlands It's like 50% niggers and muslims and none of them work.

>>61847894
Unrealized taxes + hyperinflation = You will own nothing

>>61848168
Then why do you need an unrealized gains tax?

>>61848209
Yeah. (((White))). Sure.

>>61850134
They're not tracking how much BTC you bought, just how much you bought access to through scam sites. Not your wallet, etc

>>61850171
Source on the other countries doing this?

>the moment the serf class accesses economic tools of the wealthy, the government burns it all down
get fucked peasants

>>61847943
it means crypto to crypto is taxed. meaning if you tether up instead of going into fiat you still have to pay up to the dutch king.

>>61847894
Get fucked, start shooting motherfuckers

>>61848226
>literally such a bitch that regular work is too much from him
You are stupid if you work. People that work an average job might earn 500 euro more on average than people that receive benefits but the people with benefits don't need to pay for certain taxes and receive 'huurtoeslag en zorgtoeslag' and other benefits so it evens out because by receiving the 500 euro more by working you need to pay more rent and the full health insurance.

You might actually earn less than a person that just sits in a coffeeshop the whole day smoking weed. Kek

>>61848090
>you can easily get a private health insurance in the US for less money,
Yeah it's doable. I've seen so many people online cry about how "expensive" healthcare is. Including the Dwarf Fortress brothers who were raking in over 10k in donations every month at one point. Then again one of the tards married a feminist, probably why they added tranny dwarves.

I'm a neet and I can afford healthcare entirely out of my own pocket but these losers just bitch and moan that its super expensive and hundreds of thousands even if you have it should an expensive medical procedure be required. Uhh no mine caps out in the 4 figure range before all remaining costs go to the insurance company to handle for the entirety of the year. The Dwarf Fortress devs eventually had a "medical scare" whatever that means. It was somehow too expensive to pay $150 monthly for health insurance back in 2015 while making $5k monthly in donations

>>61850430
>I visited all the hardcore and hardstyle festivals and it's not that special

They're literally the best festivals on the planet. I don't know what's more special than them.

>>61848759
>it’s ok I have money stolen from me on things that haven’t happened because I can smoke weed and do shrooms
Wow that’s a fulfilling life you live

>>61848875
Someone who has the ability to buy options and crypto weekly, even if “wasted” like your implying, also has the foresight to live within their means. They have money to blow on options and crypto because they are responsible.

>>61849105
There are two things I can’t stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures, and the Dutch.

disgusting, it's like this in my country too

>>61847894
>>If the price of Bitcoin falls between the second record date and the date of the tax assessment back to 70 000 EUR or even below THE FULL 10 800 EUR ARE STILL OWED
B A S E D EVROPA

>>61847894
it's not law yet the senate still needs to approve it. but if this passes everyone with money is going to flee the netherlands. the retardation of politicians knows no bounds

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Would this unrealized capital gains tax apply to precious metals like gold and silver bullion and coins?

>>61847894
Holy fuck

>>61851260
who cares as long as they cant find it to get their little kike hands on it then it doesnt matter what they want to do

from here on out all dutch shoudl pay for everything in cash. buy gold in cash. never sell items unless the transaction is done in cash or metals or barter so its hidden from kikes

>>61847894
BASED
Leeches must be purged from society. Go to work.

>>61847894
DAS NEDEELANDER IS MOST SUPERIOR!! FREE HEALTHCARE !! AMERICAN VERY INFERIOR

>>61849163
dutch people dont own or trade those stocks. only about 23% of retards here ever invest money (not a joke stat)

>>61847906
So the end-goal of investing?

>>61847894
Watch the money get out of the Netherlands...

>>61850034
You are genuinely a stupid faggot.

>>61851260
typical dutch retarded niggercattle. investing without knowing even the absolute basics. all you crypto cucks are crying on twitter because you have no fucking clue about how taxes work here lmao. youre just cattle who press buy

>retarded 80 IQ mutts think its the end of the world with their broke ass buying 7000 worth of bitcoin and getting taxed on it

>meanwhile people buy a house for 400k, mark mark it to 700k, take out a loan on it, buy another one for 600k, mark it to 1m, take out a loan on it, bu another one for 500k etc etc etc

WHILE PAYING ZERO TAXES BECAUSE THERE IS NO REALIZED PROFIT FROM SELLING.

>>61851392
Wow your imaginary scenario makes getting taxed 40% sound really good for me actually

Enjoy getting more and more raped by your government retard

>>61851454

I guarantee you don't even make a profit to tax you little midwit. It's not an "imaginary scenario" its literally the entire reason there is a debate about taxing unrealized gains, dumb faggot. Keep bootlicking and paying 15% of your walmart wage to the government while people who make enough money to make your mom their slave enjoy the free ride

>>61848070
>Everyone who has any money invested will be fucked over
very few people have any money invested lol, this is a wildly popular law, those with "money invested" are either crazy gamblers or filthy rich

>>61848070

>The U.S. stock market is highly concentrated, with the top 1% of households owning approximately 50% to 54% of all household-held stock wealth as of 2024-2025. The top 10% of households hold roughly 90% to 93%

im not a socialist, but this retarded kool aid propaganda you've been fed is holding this country back from enacting actual reasonable policy and taking power/wealth from boomers to give to the young. This country has no future otherwise. Don't care about your feelings, but the current trajectory of techno-feudalism will not last 2040

>>61851392
>people buy a house
You mean 50+ year old boomers?

>>61847894
The Jews pushed this a punishment for the Hague and ICJ being located in the Netherlands, and that the jews got btfo when trying to claim themselves as victims for starting a riot when Maccabi played in Amsterdam

>>61848242
Sweden has 30% tax on profits from sales for normal accounts. If you have an ISK, you pay a flat rate based on the amount of money you put into the account.

Rich people made a fuss so they deleted all the inheritance taxes and most of the wealth taxes.

Come to Sweden, dutchies. There are already thousands of you milling around in our forests.

>>61850018
You're correct in most of what you say unfortunately this is yet again another jewish trick as >>61850082 points out and it will just be used to rape the goyim even more. If they really meaningfully meant to tax rich people they would have had a very simple clause that this only applies to the rich. What's going to happen is that none of the rich fags are going to keep their money in netherlands banks as they already do and tell the people to fuck themselves in the ass as the gibbermint takes yet again from the upper middle class to push them lower down the economic ladder.

How rich are Dutch people. I was there last December and everything was insanely expensive. Sloppy fried eggs, a peace of bread and coffey was like 20$.
There was extra tax on hotels as well, which was already insane, like 200$.
Dutch people must get an insane salary. As tourist i will never go back.

>>61851666
They are getting poorer and poorer. Any Dutchie below the age of 35 is a permawageslave being pushed from lower middle class to poverty.

>>61847894
It's even worse

>buy btc at 50k
>goes to 100k
>don't sell
>owe 15k anyways
>sell 15k of bitcoin to cover the tax
>oops you realized 750p of gains you owe us 3k more taxes now
>Sell 3k more of bitcoin to cover the taxes on selling bitcoin
>oops you realized 1500 more of gains, you owe us 500 more taxes now
>etc

When you're done iterating towards zero the real unrealized tax rate is like 40-45%. Unless you have a fat wad of cash lying around to pay the taxes with for some reason

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>>61851666
A Dutch software engineer makes as much as a cashier in the USA

>>61847980
they also have infinite migrants which is what is new tax will pay for, more migrant babies while the native dutch go extinct.

i hope an fucking tempel ov blood, o9a tier militant group appears and fucks their entire government.

>>61851666
Unless you're a 50 year old boomer, you get paid around 2500 to 3000 euros a month.
30% of that is taxed, rent + utilities costs 1200 euros if you're lucky (this is for a one-bedroom apartment), groceries cost around 400 euros and now you've got a few hundred euros to save up.
When you see people buy expensive stuff, they have been saving up all year for it.
I seriously don't think people understand just how poor the Netherlands is.

>>61847980
The OP didn't reference America, didn't say he was American, didn't say America does things better. Why is it, that when a European is confronted with something bad about their country, they default to talking about how at least it isn't as bad as America? Even when nobody mentions America? Seems like a programmed default response.

Well, I was already planning to leave to take care of my parents in law. Didn't think I'd be forced to, that's a bit of a bummer. I'll wait a month to see if it passes the 1e kamer, but I'm sure it will.

At least we have a very handsome prime minister!

Potverkanker, ik vinnet maar niks. Wie heeft er serieus op de vvd gestemd

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>>61851326
>BASED
>Leeches must be purged from society. Go to work.
Wealthy people pay most of the tax, if they leave in a large enough number, that tax deficit will be spread out among broke plebs. This means you'll be paying even MORE tax if they leave.

Why do plebs struggle to mental map second order effects in life? It's like their minds won't allow them to do a basic 'if this = then that' risk assessment. Strange.

>>61847963
what the fuck is this clown car language
those aren't real words you're just making it up

>>61851783
>what the fuck is this clown car language
we hebben een serieus probleem

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>>61850465
I remember Denmark and France proposing this, it was all over the news last year. But i think only Netherlands actually went through with it now. So yeah, it's probably coming to all of Western Europe and will be the final nail in the coffin by ((them)). Its only going to get worse from here.

>>61847894
so, buy in january and sell in december. what's the issue?
hell, you could buy puts in december and calls in january and make some extra money

>>61851756
Incorrect. You WILL go to work, leech.

>>61851808
Feels good that Sweden has a Social Democratic Party that isnt completely retarded so we will never get a tax like this

>>61851865
>Incorrect.
In what way is that incorrect? Explain how the wealthy leaving en masse won't result in greater tax burden for everyday people.

I'll wait.

you faggots complaining about a forced x-mas rally (if this goes into effect in 2028)

but I get it, you've never paid taxes, you don't know what a tax return is and how to optimise taxes
all you know is buy and hold

Welcome to the adult life, kiddos

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>>61847894
Mymy stocks are very bullish right now

>>61847925
holy shit let's do it

>>61851990
mymy needs BWC doe

>>61849950
>something I only do occasionally is worth 36% tax on unrealized gains
Good job on doubling down on being retarded