Last year with growt was 2021. And guess what the potitican want to do now to reform this?Increase taxes. Yes. Within 10 years Germany will fall of so hard its crazy.
>>62030727Just 2 more weeks and Europe will be fine lmao.
>>62030727Yeah, I don't give a Schnitzel. Why would it matter that growth stagnates? The world is wild, the US stock market is fake and gay. There is basically nothing to lose, because everyone lost hard already.
Shutting those nuclear powerplants and getting more reliant on russian gas was definitely worth it, wasn't it? I hope the gossips are true and Merkel gets elected as the next Reichspräsident. It's about time for germany to finally implode and be done for. There's France in the west and Poland in the east. Germany is no longer needed.
>>62031498Russian gas wasnt the problem, the sanctions are the problem. And its not like other european nations do much better. Poland has a birth rate of 1.
>>62031583Cheap Russian gas made the economic growth possible, but letting our critical infrastructure get blown up by our so called 'allies' wasn't too smart. This gigantic bureocratic apparatus that has been increasing in the good years is weighting us down now. We're going nowhere, fast
After Russia capitulates and we can trade with them again, we’re going to enter an european golden era that’s going to make the 19th century seem like a dark age.
>>62031583The problem is half of german politicians being in the pocket of gazprom and kgb. Take a look at eastern europe. Those shitholes had it much worse after the war started and even then germany could only dream about having the same GDP growth like Poland, Lithuania, Czechia, Romania or even a fucking Hungary. And what does the birth rate have to do with any of this. That one is completely different problem.
>>62031498France is commiting financial suicide and Poland is going extinct.If we're being real, Europe in general has around a decade left before becoming the second latin america, post-racial mixed societies and all.
>>62031879The russian economy is litterally just what the usa economy will become in 20-30 more years of corruption. They are a decaying society that can barely achieve anything anymore much like the rest of europe.It's not the 70s anymore.
>>62031879Yeah, good idea. Let's fall into their trap AGAIN! Lets fucking go fund rearmament of a hostile country that sees us just as a second duck on the line. How fucking retarded can these people be? After all of this shit let's do anything except energy independence so that we don't have to fucking worry again about these asian shitholes. Why the fuck had I to be born in the most fucking cucked continend on the entire planet.
>>62031946Sure Russia is evil now but i believe that with right co-operation and friendly behaviour like trade, it can be slowly turned friendly. Eastern europe will be EU’s Japan/South Korea.
>>62031891>>62031946Germany and Russia are the only countries that matter in EuropeButthurt belters, know your place
>>62031986Are You retarded or am I missing a joke? We let it slide in Moldova. We let it slide in Georgia. We let it slide in Armenia. We let it slide in Crimea. And it didn't fucking work. As it turns out, Russia is just an unreliable liability. Not to mention EU already has eastern europe which carries european industry hard even in the state it's in now.
>>62032103I guess so. He gave up on larping as the 2nd greatest superpower after 2022 so now He is trying this.>>62032056>Germany and Russia are the only countries that matter in EuropeGo fuck Yourself. The entire point of this shit thread is that Germany no longer matters... even in Europe. I still wait for Germany to fucking wake up and take it's part of the belt. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
>>62031879Russia will crush poorope. You have no gas
Do Germans think about literally anything other than Russia
>>62032180So many pooplacks and other eastern european trash moved to germany that they're basically now part of the butthurt belt
>>62031888Dude to reddit you go. The problem is german politicians beeing in the pocket of anglojews. I wish they were in the pocket of gazprom lol.
>>62032180Germans, especially eastern Germans are actually surprisingly friendly to russia. That shithead is no German.
>>62031621Exactly, and now figure in we have drastically more pensioners by the year, 100s of billions military spending, 100s of billions to foreign countries (ukraine, etc), 100s of billions of refugee costs, social cohesion crumbling all around (boomers vs young, left vs right) and absurdly high energy costs.
>>62032677>East germans only useful skill is sucking Russian cockLMAO. Germans should commit mass suicide. You were too afraid of nuclear energy and now your only solution is to elect a retarded lesbian to keep sucking Russian cock. Your country has ran out of testosterone.>>62032691You germans are so obsessed with austerity, you are willing to sacrifice your industry by cutting subsidies and raising taxes in order to keep the debt under 50%. No successful economy has a Debt to GDP ratio of under 90% except bannana republics.
>>62031583>Russian gas wasnt the problem, the sanctions are the problemWhat
>>62032084Are you actually blaming Russia for foreign aggression?
>>62030727its shit everywhere bro
>>62032753the special military operation in Ukraine is now longer then the actual Nazi Germany invasion, vatnik.I'd tell you to ask your unit leader for new talking points but you shouldn't be using telegram anymore
>>62032751Russian gas was cheap and relieable>>62032742>obsessed with austerityThats what southerners call it. Without Germany all you meds would have currencies like turkey with 50% yearly inflation. But muh "austerity" bad. Btw Germany spends crazy amounts of money, real austerity which would be needed would be to cut 80% of state expenses immediately by firing most bureaucrates, and limit the state to basically nothing. Combined with removing every form of taxating of course, the state can print money already.
>>62031498There is no real alternative to Russian gas. LNG is and always will be more expensive than piped gas, due to technical reasons. Gas is not just used to generate electricity and heat homes, it is also used to run gas-fired industrial furnaces and as a chemical feedstock e.g. steam methane reforming for the Haber-Bosch process
shit has been fucked for 5 years.The crazy thing is I still Had multiple chances to /make/ it/ but was scared of losing 10k, to try and make 100k on MSTR, to turn 100k into 2 million on zcash. So now I only have like.... 80k.
>>62032084Let what slide? The ambition of NATO expansion was never put an end to. As we saw, while Russia was bogged down in Ukraine, NATO immediately took the opportunity to expand in northern Europe.
>>62031498>>62032859Germany needs to stop being retarded and fix >>62031583>Poland has a birth rate of 1.by tying career advancement to having kids. Single career woman? Cool enjoy working entry level at german mcdonalds your entire life.But Germany also needs to stop being retarded and stop doing things america wants that fucks your shit up. Bring Iceland and Scotland into the EU and use their oil to fund your war machines. Rebuild the thorium reactors. Get your factories producing again. Germany is the third largest economy in the world, germany is 1/3 of the entire EU economy. If Germany was not holding itself back, it would be the EU itself. 10 trillion GDips, a superpower.
>>62032691>(boomers vs young,this one is easy to fix, young people just team up and force grandpa into the old folks home.People really don't get some 70yo can't fight a war and only owns things because social contract. If they break the social contract they cannot expect to have their things protected.
>>62031879Russia isn't likely to "capitulate". Trade with China, India, Turkey, etc, is propping Russia up. For each additional year of warfare, more dead and maimed Russians means more lasting enmity which makes rapprochement politically more difficult. For each additional year of sanctions, Russia becomes more integrated into Chinese value chains and locked into Chinese technology. And for each additional year, EU economies become less relevant.
>>62030727got any gas turbines
>>62030727>shut down a significant chunk of your energy production for no reason>ACHTUNG HANS WHY DOES DAS LINE GO DOWN???
>>62030727Ok boomer.
Meanwhile, the only economically liberal/somewhat libertarian party is now polling at around 3% or less because it has a super loud faction of libtards who might as well be in the Greens that end up driving away all voters.
>>62031888>countries with lower gdp per capita has a easier time growing than a country that his the ceiling decades agooh shit nigger you dont say>>62032084>georgiapost soviet shithole>armeniapost soviet shithole>crimeapost soviet shithole>ukrainepost soviet shithole>your countrypost soviet shitholei for once do not care
>>62033591>i don’t care about eastern europeYou must be american or indian with that level of retardation.>>62032877EU is for all european peoples and those who used to live in the Roman Empire tho, not just Germany. Even though it would be the most powerful state in it obviously.
>>62033704eastern europe exists as a buffer zone for nato and as cheap labour market for german companiesthat's the extent to which anyone cares about
>>62032885Problem is the average voter is 60 in Germany and voting is where the power lies in this system.
>>62032084You have it the wrong way. Russia let it slide on poland, russia let it slide on the baltics, russia let it slide on romania, and the west did not stop there and moved for ukraine. Russia now sees the west wants it all and is unrelieable.
>>62034327West wants shit. It was free decision of said countries to join NATO. Sweden and Finland is peak example of this. Would Russians stop behaving like a rabid animal NATO would get dissolved in the mid 2000s. Russians had their opportunity of having an empire and it end up basically like everything Russians do. One can only wonder why their former satellites hate them so much.
>>62030727You just need more immigrants
>>62034474>West wants shit.>free decisionFucking naive retard. It was all planned and executed by buying up media and politicians of the country and then with the help of NGOs make pro west propaganda. In Poland for example they completely infiltrated society in the 80s, in ukraine in the 00s. Before that the population of at least ukraine was pro russia.>One can only wonder why their former satellites hate them so much.But thats not true exept for poles and baltics which always hated russians. Eastern Germans are way more pro russia then western germans and any westerners. And they were former satellites. People shouted "merkel to siberia (prison), Putin to Berlin (cancellor)".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBdQqE4mtnw
Btw can somebody explain why EVERYTIME I WANT TO DISCUSS GERMANYS ECONOMY THERE ARE SOME MAD BUTTHURT ANTI RUSSIA GUYS SPAMMING ALL THREAD?ITS NOT ABOUT RUSSIA SEEK HELP AND GO TO THERAPY.
And in the end i have to explain them endlessly the most basic things like "Zionist West wants word control yes" and "no that would be bad for us and you should oppose it instead of fighting for it" when i just want to discuss Germanys economic future.
Its an easy fixEnd social payments for the unemployed, no more free housing for the poor, private healthcare and pensionsBasically switzerland, the only problem germany has is how to keep the social ponzi scheme running, just cut it, but none does it because that would be political suicide because old boomers are the voting majority
I know nothing about modern European economics or politics. I just want them to do cool stuff again. Pax Americana is lame and gay.
>>62031498Why isn't Merkel unironically unalived yet in Minecraft?
>>62036803because the good die young my man, evil lives forever because evil won.
>>62036597This leads you back to the 'solve everything button', which is to end mass democracy.
>>62034485And not just any immigrants, one million Indian immigrants fresh from your new trade agreement!
>>62030727Ze Germans are a blessing and a curse on Europe at the same time. Something's just not right with it all. Smart, honest, precise, and natural people. Yet time and time again they go extreme in one way or the other. Kill all others. Embrace all all others, invite them, feed, them and let them rape your daughters while you ay taxes to support it all.Can you German faggots just find a simple middle way and most of all, quit dictating everyone else must be and think like you imagine at any given time.
the new porsche cayenne EV actually looks pretty awesome. BMW EVs are also getting good finally.
>>62035110>>62035334>>62035345look at this schizo having a melty lol
>>62031583>>62032751>its not the Russian gas that was the problem. Russian gas is just gas from Russian. The hydrocarbons and byproducts themselves were not the problem. The problem was the sanctions we put on themDer Ewige Deutscher
from an outside perspective, this kind of paranoid anachronistic thinking >>62032084 about Russia is the main thing holding Europe down right nowyoure basically parroting 20th centruy US State department/NATO planted agitpropI DO understand most ethnic europeans skepticism towards Russia, and I dont think Russia is that great. but i also think you people have played out the status quot. its stale, and its not working. you need to think about a future where white Russia can be a real counterpart and ally. Western Europe was a global powerhouse when it had colonies. you guys abandoned them. you need to pivot. Russia is the best you can doside note, why is that the EU doesnt just forcibly subsume Norway and their oil fields? is it because its still not enough for Europe? also what about building out Greenland deposits? I figure between the north sea brent fields, norway, and greenland, you guys MIGHT have a shot without Russia. But still, you need their minerals. you have to live in the real world. otherwise you can be cucked and forever poor by being Americas LNG toilet
>>62037129>Implying we have democracy in germany
>>62038853I can tell you're a mutt that has zero idea about European politics
>>62038943nice substantive rebuttal. maybe you should stop having misplaced delusional arrogance and people might actually want to understand your perspective?seriously, tell me one thing thats objectively wrong about my overview instead of handwaiving away because i didnt know lord plum of the EU parliament just epically formed a coalition with the greens in candyland
>>62038885Why do policy makers refuse to take away gibs from boomers if you don't have democracy? It's the obvious move.
>>62038990You're basically talking that Europe (not a country btw) should just all agree on stuff that's politically impossible. You're not going to convince Poles, Romanians, Balts and Scandinavians to just go back to having friendly relations with Russia lol. France and Germany can't even agree on building together a 5th generation fighter jet and that's just two countries with really tight economic relations, and you want the entire EU to completely change their course. Your point about subsuming Norwegian oil is so retarded only an Amerimutt could come up with it, genuinely how do you imagine it playing out, and why would European countries even agree to it?
>>62039035yes well your alternative to that "politically impossible" situation is what you currently have. your central member states economy collapsing, energy prices becoming untenable, social spending collapse, the US becoming an increasingly unreliable military proxy. you guys need to be thinking radically about the 21st century. sure, subsuming norwegian oil by some eu parliamentary process makes no sense.i understand the ethnic and lingual differences between nations in europe, and that the EU is not the USA. but also even you seem beholden to the same boomer microethnicity larp thats going to see the continent become a wasteland if you dont correct course. you operate from the same framework as sclerotic Van der Leyen boomersIm merely suggesting an extremely cautious and skeptical partnership with Russia. resisting that is suicide unless you enjoy 4 euros per liter gas and no job plus infinity migrants getting increasingly hungry around you
>>62039071>Im merely suggesting an extremely cautious and skeptical partnership with RussiaEven that is infeasible. Russia cannot be trusted to hold to any sort of obligation unless compelled to do so by constant and overwhelming force. The concept of "partnership" is simply alien to it.
>>62040080if you take that approach that they are evil subhuman bad guys that can never be negotiated with ever no matter what, you live in a more cartoonish world than the one im suggesting where you form a pragmatic partnership. also how is that even true? nordstream was working perfectly fine
>>62039071>>62040080You are retarded. Russia is our friend. The power behaving like you think is the usa. You retards keep fighting for total world domination of zog
>>62030727For the umpteenth time, america want's to destroy germany's economy, and take over it's markets.
>>62032056Actually the whole geostrategy in eurasia for the Anglos since a century have been to prevent the Berlin-moscow axis. Which would have created a superpower to rival the Anglos.
>>62040393>nordstream was working perfectly fineUntil it didn't.You can't have a pragmatic partnership with a party which does not behave in a pragmatic way. It's not like it hasn't been tried - the 00's policy towards Russia was more or less "trade with them and treat them normally and they'll be normal, they may or may not like us but they sure like money". End of history and all that. Moscow took it as a sign of weakness and the whole thing collapsed.There's a good article which talks about the attitudes at hand, a bit lengthy and not economically focused but it should be relevant:https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/09/what-deters-russia>>62041031Russia doesn't do "friends".
>>62035334>IM SICK OF HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 2+2 WHEN THERE IS SOME BUTTHURT 4CEL THERE ALWAYS SPAMMING ABOUT IT
>>62042831>Until it didn't.lmfao. why didnt it, exactly? Shifty russian lies? do you actually believe russia blew up the pipeline?i hope youre not a genuine good faith european. im not european and you seem serisously retarded
>>62043009Contrary to what internet economics think the russian trade wasnt actually crucial for Germany. Yes it was a very important factor aand may have been the thing that was too much but if Germany did everything right the last 20 years russia gas wouldnt even be needed. Also its irrelevant since german elites hate russia so the status wont change in the next years.
>>62042631True>>62042831>Russia doesn't do "friends".Fair enough, nobody does. But it would have been a potential ally against anglos and chinese.
>>62030727By the way, new study dropped, 21% of young people under 30 plan to leave Germany. Furthermore 41% can imagine doing it. This is literally a ponzi collapsing, the people supposed to pay for the ponzi leave, the people recieving stay, and some brown people come in weakening this whole thing even more. Reminder, in Germany there are no savings for pensions. Pensioners need to get paid with current tax money.
>>62035334Bad news from Ukraine, Ivanushka? Good. Suffer.
>>62043420Holy shit you fags are so boring its incredible.
>>62043423Eventually you will be sent to the front line and Taras Hitlerenko is going to fly a drone up your ass. Your arms and legs will explode off from your torso, your head is going to fly 20 meters in the air, while online psychos watching the video from another drone will laugh at your last seconds in this world.
>>62043340Serves those boomers right. They are the ones that voted in all the stupid taxes and bureaucracy that made it difficult for younger generations to prosper.
>mfw watching Germany literally nuke itself from comfy Australia My friend is teamlead of software engineering at Bosch (herding retarded Indians working out of India and fixing their mistakes) and he was offered 1 1/2 years of his salary as a lump sum if he quits voluntarily. Another friend evaluates and buys multi-million dollar machines for the factory of a manufacturer of electrical engines and they put a indefinite hold on buying things so he’s been doing nothing for almost a year now and people are getting sacked left right and center. They also told me their insurance, health care and social benefit premiums go up massively each year while the services decline. I keep meeting young Germans here that can’t find work back home. Germans have literally become what Poles, Romanians and Russians were to Germany and Mexicans are to the USA.German cars used to be known all over the world and now they’re overpriced shitboxes made from cheap plastic and everyone drives chinese and american EVs instead.I pulled all my money out of Germany a long time ago. When they opened the gates to a million sandniggers unconditionally and then the state media covered up mass sexual assault in Cologne on new year’s eve the same year by said sandniggers I knew it was over.
>>62043439YawnnnAnother case of "everyone I don't like is russian" syndrom
Germany is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. They never made anything of value. It was just a plaything for us after the war without any strategic values or resources.
>>62043657Check Countries per BIP
>>62043444boomers will never paythey made a deal with satan, satan will keep its part of the bargainboomers will receive their fat pension they didn't pay for, and live a life of complete blissful ignorance travelling in their motorhomes while the world burnsthey will finally pass peacefully without ever realizing the disaster they've enabled, still thinking it's all "those lazy youngsters" fault
>>62040080but why do you say that?If anything, recent historical facts say the opposite You know who's the partner that really has proven that can't be trustedOh you know jew shill. You know. It's your fucking attack dog
>>62043542calm down there, chang
>>62043542Wow Ivan, nothing you said is true, besides the car stuff. Fuck VW
>>62043657thats not true, Germany, the whole sphere of central/western Europe, has easily some of the greatest concentrations of human capital on the planet. it will be a great tragedy if geographical Germany has to be abandoned, if for nothing else than the land being tied to the blood of the people, not to mention the beauty and historic landmarks. But in a modern global economy, they have to if they dont figure out how to use these people. Because youre right, theres not much in terms of raw materials. the immigrant thing just makes it more immediately existential
>>62039071>i understand the ethnic and lingual differences between nations in europe, and that the EU is not the USANo. You really don't.
>>62043340>, 21% of young people under 30 plan to leave GermanyAnd how many do it?0No Germans are leaving Germany
>>62030727every single city i've been to in germany as a tourist has been full of africans , arabs and subcontinentals , the few germans were all fag looking unbathed druggies. Germany has already fallen. You're just living in its corpse
>>62044231yes. i really do
>>62044250300.000 leave germany each year. And thats the ones we'd like to keep, but Overseas or switzerland pays better. In exchange we get some Jeets with fake certificates and illiterate goatherders
germany is still the biggest exporter of impotent complaining i see
