How much might the Iran war boost EVs, renewables and nuclear?
>>62034991This probably won't affect anything and it's just libtards seething at Trump being based
>>62034991Good luck making plastic or fertilizer out of renewables and nuclear
>>62034991Significantly. China, of course, will benefit. They mass produce and export nuclear power plants these days.
>>62035234Actually they might help. Renewables and/or nuclear can be used to create hydrogen by electrolysis or thermochemical cycles. This hydrogen can then be used to create nitrogen fertilizer.Coal can be used as a feedstock to create plastics or nitrogen fertilizer. This is widely done in China.Using coal is slightly less economical. However, it might be possible to use nuclear reactors to supply process heat to make it more economical and avoid wasting coal by burning it.I think also, although I'm not sure, that using nuclear reactors to provide process heat can allow a petrochemical plant to more efficiently consume oil, by making it more economical to upgrade low-value residual products by cracking rather than to burn them.The OP picture is a render of the under-construction Xuwei nuclear power plant, which is being built to supply process heat to the Lianyungang petrochemical complex. Such technology might be used more widely in the future.
>>62035009The 1973 oil crisis led to the Messmer plan. Might we something similar again? Today, electrification can be much more comprehensive than was possible in the 1970/80s.
>>62034991If oil stays high (or gets higher) long term, it will surely boost them, assuming society doesn't shit the bed in the process. But it's likely there will first be a crash and some period of depression. After that things might develop.
>>62034991I would boost Iran EVs with 252 into attack and 252 into defense. Your move retard.
>>62037034I don't get it...?
>>62037316Pokemans reference but it is okay Pokemon has been going downhill hard for years now
>>62034991>nuclearNot the slightest bit. Nuclear is dead in the West. America, France, Canada, and Britain combined have built a combined 8 nuclear reactors since the turn of the century and shut down 42 reactors, although excluding Britain those numbers are 8 and 16. Nuclear requires massive state subsidies (as in hundreds of billions) or outright state construction of them, especially in the modern era.China meanwhile has completed 57 commercial reactors and shut down zero over that same timeframe.
>>62041081>Nuclear is dead in the Westno it's notyou sound jewish
>>62041179>We just need to plan another nuclear plant, this will start the nuclear renaissance!Until America builds at least ten reactors by the end of the decade I won't believe shitt. Works in nuclear
>>62035009I thought leftists hated all petro products?Shouldn't they be happy we're smashing da ebul petro infrastructure patriarchy?
>>62041179Yes, nuclear is dead in the west, and that's a good thing.
>>62041227Based. The first gov admin that pulls its head out of its ass (or is forced to do so) will realize that's probably the only path forward for domestic energy security. >>62041510Not if we want cheap, plentiful, and clean (relatively) energy
EVs are a scam
>>62034991Nuclear is a scam. Hundreds of billions of dollars wasted over the decades managing pooclear waste, which the pooclear advocates keep saying we'll find a use for in 2 more weeks. Think of all the things hundreds of billions of dollars could've been spent on instead. I'm glad that pooclear is being phased out in western countries. >>62041525Pooclear is not cheap, thats the main reason its dying. It takes years to build and can't compete with solar economically.
They are launching their first hydrogen car in 2027.
>>62041613>Le two more weeks until hydrogen cars
I'm considering getting ev after the current oil price shock so I expect a lot of other people are too.
>>62041574>nuclear is a scam because regulators are parasitesIts literally the only more efficient energy source than hydrocarbons. Solar as it is now (silicon based pv cells) are horridly inefficient, and that's not even counting the diminishing returns from getting BLEACHED by the big white coronaModern thorium based reactors are the future of everything energy related until (if) we figure out fusion
Yeah I totally trust the government and corporations to not irreversibly damage the planet with mass nuclear waste
>>62041574Long-lived nuclear waste can be destroyed. It is being done right now.https://atommedia.online/en/press-releases/v-rosatome-nachalas-opytno-promyshl/There is however no point in recycling nuclear waste at scale as long as cheap uranium is available.>Pooclear is not cheap, thats the main reason its dyingIt is cheap, and that's why China is building reactors as fast as industry can manage.
>>62041081>Nuclear is dead in the WestWell, there is a world beyond. Russia and China have exported reactors, and can do so again
>>62036299is hydrogen really the limiting reactant for manufacturing fertilizer...?
>>62042693> solar keeps getting better and cheaper> nuclear is still ten year plan and billions up frontsorry autismo, panels win and the more we make the better and cheaper they getmediocre with speed to market and frequent iteration beats superior, expensive, and slow get used to it
>>62042790Just as you said, therefore we need to build nuclear power plants, in order to improve the their systems and designs. And not kling to cheap shitty short term solar panels.
>>62042790>mediocre with speed to market and frequent iteration beats superior, expensive, and slowTRUTH>>62042880Boy, one day, you'll understand that what you want, and what the market wants, are two different things.
>>62042880Oh by the way sorry i didn't see the nice tr-3b.
>>62034991EV sales are at an all time high in my country
solar and batteries (of all kinds; air-Fe, Lithium, FeP, hell even gravity) are absolutely insane in the pace of development and economies of scalenuclear is cool too but most americans are so technologically illiterate, it's hard to explain just how much hydrocarbons locked in the earth are a 19th century technology. americans think the secret to the latest technology is an smartphone model in a software wrapper not realizing that the hardware the phone runs on is far more impressivewe are so behind a manufacturing powerhouse like china, we can't even produce graduate students capable of keeping up. instead we pretend things like quantum computers matter when we dont even have the industrial base to power said quantum computer at any kind of scalea 4 year government cycle will never match china's capacity for longterm planning
>>62035234If only half the economy went kaput when oil prices increased that would be better than what happens now. Oil would end up being more like a conventional input where the downstream products get more expensive but we wouldn't have to deal with total economic crises anymore.
>>62034991It won't, because leftists and Europeans are literally suicidal, but they want to drag all right-wingers down into the grave with them instead of just killing themselves and leaving us alone.
This might be the optimal time to offload a Tesla that I only drive 4 weeks out of the year. The battery warranty expires in 2 years.
>>62042731Unless you live in those countries it isn't relevant.
>>62043170>the marketGreentards who lost all the seats in parliament are not "the market"
>>62042781Air is about 80% nitrogen, so you just need to add some hydrogen to get ammonia, which is a decent fertiliser by itself, and is the base of all other nitrogenous fertilisers.
>>62044212There's a reason companies aren't building nuke plants>Just spend $10-60 billion and 10-40 years to complete project>Take 4-24 years of earnings to pay back investment cost (ignoring outages as cost of manpower and supplies to maintain nuke plant)Hinkley Point C in the UK will likely never be net profitable for example.>But what about your lower estimates and what about China!That comes with a robust construction sector and a large pool of workers experienced in building nuclear plants, something the West lacks. The most optimistic nuclear construction in the West is Vogtle which still cost $18 billion per unit.
>>62041613German Elon car scammer saying since the 1990 they are 2 years away from launching hydrogen cars. And even if they are doing it, where will the hydrogen come from?
>>62034991Reneweables under one year of Trump presidency btw
>>62044228The reason there's so many retarded "green" energy projects is because the government overpays for themShift that focus into nuclear and see what happens
>>62044637The government already does that. Nuclear gets massive subsidies and still has numerous projects abandoned before completion. America has nine units where they broke ground and simply gave up building them partway through.Hell Constellation throws a hissy fit every few years and threatens to shut down all their plants unless New York and Illinois continue to subsidize them.There's a reason literally zero Western nations have built meaningful nuclear capacity since the turn of the century and really since the 80s.
>>62044212As if the market isn't pulling the strings of parliaments.Boy, we are beyond talking about what's good, or bad. We are talking about what makes profit. Solar panels and windmills do make profit. And fast. Nuclear not so much. If i make profit with a useless drug or dietary supplement that i sell you, i make profit. Whatever if it's useful, or not. Candies are perfectly useless, but they make profit. Coca cola is harmful, but it makes profit. You get the point, or not?
>>62041498Do you expect a MIGAtard to be coherent?
>>62042719Everything is cheap in China for a reason. They ignore basic safety standards in nearly every form of construction.
>>62045017>Chinese stuff is cheap because of... le slave laborThis is cope
>>62037034Iran's stats might tank the US Air Force, but once America's HP drops low enough, they will baton pass their CENTCOM buff to the IDF which is already a special attack and speed glass cannon
>>62045017China really doesn't cut corners, negative operational experience from their plants is relatively minor despite being the second largest generator of nuclear energy.>But muh secret nuclear accidentsBeyond the fact that China is regulated by the IAEA any major release would be easily detectable and quickly disseminated, plus Chinese plants are often partially owned by Western companies and are partially staffed with contractors from Western nations (Westinghouse, Framatome, etc.) so it would be impossible to hide anything anyway.As an aside I like to collect funny or stupid operating experience from the industry among them>China had ten operators stuck in an airlock for 3 hours and it took an hour for anyone to even bother to try and get them out>India gave 92 people uptakes because they somehow managed to contaminate a drinking water cooler with heavy water>In San Onofre in America they discovered "Four slightly contaminated kittens" inside the protected area
