the advancement in technology and automation will lead to human labor becoming largely obsolete.Do you believe this will lead to good or bad outcomes for the population?Believe it or not, the opinions are divided on this
>>62095633Depends on the country. For example, China will probably benefit massively from AI. The USA on the other hand will probably be de-populated.
>>62095637>The USA on the other hand will probably be de-populated.By what mechanism?
>>62095641Capitalism
>>62095637How would China resist this? If you don't give AI control, you lose against other AI. This is a 2026 problem already. So AI rapidly gets all resources in any system that competes with AI. Sam Altman wanted to hide that years ago with his UBI proposal (20% of the world for humans, 80% for him), when he didn't talk about the economic necessity that the remaining 20% must be given to his AI.>>62095633Same alley: Knowledge progresses so that one can heal cancer. Same knowledge enables designer organisms. They are better at resource utilization, so the biosphere becomes hostile to humans, they become extinct. Probably slower than AI, but if mass single cell organism production is profitable, it might do it quickly. So you "upload" your mind to a virtual reality to escape the biological pressures to modify yourself. Competition in there is so fast that you still must modify yourself, until your essence is lost. So you died quicker than outside.The underlying pattern is this: Capability in the 21st century has become so diverse and interconnected that it boils down to the question whether one of the exploding number of doomsday methods eradicates life or leaves some to start again.
>>62095633The advancements of deez nutz
>>62095633>will lead to human labor becoming largely obsolete>still have Jamal and Shanaynay serving food in 2026
>>62095769>labor will be obsolete!The whole premise is a socialist farceWe've had tech improvements in the last century that put the previous millennium to shame. Who's to say that is going to continue? Who is to say we won't have another 'dark age' of stagnation due to a calamity? Seems more likely to me we get detached from the idea of applying real human spirit to our endeavours and our hubris is punished with more toil, but I just read a lot of history idk
>>62095633humans will always have objective and ideas hence there will always be work, however there will be more free time and less bs/boring work
>>62095746An army that uses chemical weapons and nuclear weapons can "outcompete" an army that doesn't. Ergo, basic competition will force us to use chemical weapons and nuclear weapons liberally, or else lose to another army who does! Its simple military necessity? Oh wait... Luckily, the world doesn't operate entirely on dumb Darwinism, we are people, not rats, and we can communicate and reason on our collective interests - if it became clear that we were going to race ourselves to the bottom, spend every last dollar on compute until we starve, you don't think the USA and China would even possibly work something out? In just the same way we've mostly agreed to not use nukes on each other, can't we make an agreement where we don't, say, give more than 30% of GDP to the machine god or whatever? Yes, each of us could outcompete the other by doing so, but just like nukes and chlorine gas we recognize that the mutual escalation would make doing so undesirable. Quit with this social darwinism shit, people are not that simple, ultimately the future is ours to decide.
They have literally discussed how to get rid of the bulk of humanity in the files as they are useless.
>believe it or not opinions are divided on thisImplying that the technosphere isn't a parasite on the face of humanity hearty kek. Uncle Ted should've bombed this idiot instead
>>62096114>Less boring and BS work he says>As we live in a society predicated upon creating BS work to humiliate wagies
>>62096114>humans will always have objective and ideas hence there will always be workNot all humans though. There will be SOME work for SOME people for a long time, but more and more people will find there's nothing of value they can do because a machine can do it cheaper and they are limited. And you DON'T need everyone losing their job to AI, just a lot of people for shit to get fucked. 20% would get you to another great depression.>"uhmm" **FARTS** "but like man, there's something about a human orchestra a machine just is never going to get to" Yeah, who can play an instrument enough anyone gives a shit?I'd say about 10-20% of the population is truly subhuman degenerates, addicts, major deformities, psychotic, can't hold a job, criminal or already in jail. The next 20% or so are semi-morons. They can (sort of) hold down a job which provides extremely specific instructions and virtually no judgement required that couldn't be written in a training manual, and basic physical tasks that have little nuance. There may be talking involved, but it's of an extremely scripted nature. They put shit in places at particular times, smile and take orders, punch in credit cards. Uber drivers, Amazon package handlers, Doordash people, Starbucks employees, slop bowl assemblers, waiters, shelf stockers, other megacorp retail employees. These are tens of millions of people. If being a poet was a better gig they'd already be doing it. Explain to me what of value these people can do if Andy the android can pick shit up and put it somewhere else, drive a car, and follow basic instructions, while working 24/7 and operating on a buck of power an hour.
>>62096158Nuclear bombs are very simple, but the people in power created a system that almost started a nuclear war dozens of times at least, by accident. Newer doomsday weapons are way easier to build but way more complex to prevent. The AI race makes the life of the owners way better. The rest can not organize due to surveillance and automated brainwashing.
>>62096291In any hypothetical "Sam Altman and Elon Musk takes over the world!!!" scenario you have to have a step where the powers that be, the US government, the Chinese government, etc, are either defeated or simply step aside for the owners of private companies. I'm not sure how you think this is going to happen - surely the people who have the power right now, who have the guns, the nukes, the bombs, whatever, will make a pretty damn good effort to prevent anybody but themselves from inventing or possessing a weapon (or tool) that makes them obsolete, in just the same way countries currently prevent people from assembling a private army, stockpiling mortars and jet planes or bombs, from synthesizing chemical weapons or anything of that sort. While the powers that the state has (violence) still matters - and it matters right up to the point where the techies invent God or whatever - the government wins and takes control of the development and deployment of any tool that could threaten them. Your scenario is kind of laughable - you think the AI is going to be so powerful as to take over the entire world, beating the powers that currently be too quickly for them to make sure they control it by using the powers they currently have while they still have those powers, but that somehow the populace is going to be still around, just watched and brainwashed. If it happens that fast then whoever gets it first just kills everybody. Why would they need anybody at all around? But there's no reason at all to think it is or will happen that fast, and a slower ascent favors the victory of the powers that be currently - states, not private actors will control these systems. Even the super fast AI 2027 scenario proposes this. It will be a political problem, with all the relevant political pushing and pulling and interests at play.
>>62096291>nuclear bombs are very simpleAlthough that award isn't saying as much these days; they're coming fast and loose with the race to the bottom, powered by 3rd world infested internet
>>62096239subhumans will always be a burden for society, it is a real problem that will need to be handled, ideally by reducing this number in a correct way, lowering the size of the state progressively might do it
I worry about my future and that of my posterity
>>62095633As constant capital is increasing, is the rate of profit falling, and the markets saturating.
Bad. Middle class Americans think they are special. Automation and outsourcing destroyed the working class years ago and they were just left to rot in places like Flint or Gary. Yet for some reason California office workers think that the government will step in and keep their cushy lifestyle going.
>>62095633advancement isnt exponential or even linear...log at best. whatever you think you're waiting for, you won't even get 1% of the way there
>>62095633No joke if UBI kicks in and VR gets really good along with computing in general. Gaming will be the biggest industry for a populace with too much time on their hands. The prophecy will be fulfilled and gamers will finally rise up and the rapture will happen.
