Why do so few /biz/ anons build businesses? Is it just pure laziness? It's way more accumulative stress working a job and speculating on markets than to build a simple service business and then scaling it and outsourcing the work.
>>62115401You need capital and nobody's going to give out a loan to a brokie with nothing but student denbt.
>just risk a ton of capital and acquire customers and scale it and outsource all the work, this is definitely easier than dissociating at work and hitting market buy at the end of each week
>>62115401It's impossible to start a business that isn't cleaning people's houses or cars in 2026
>>62115401It’s not 1992 anymore. Corporations have taken over every sector of business. Even plumbers, electricians, lawyers, accountants and even fucking doctors are now just wagies for a homosexual corporation. It has never been harder to start a business in American history.
>>62115401Then why haven't you done it?
i made the mistake of building a crypto business at the end of the bull market
>>62115416>>62115416I know a few people running AI slop youtube or AI gooner funnels clearing 6 figs while spending fairly little on it. There's business models that are new for the taking. The stuff you're thinking is of course mature with boomers gatekeeping.I even know one guy that made a youtube channel for children a decade ago that made it from that alone.>>62115422I am.
>>62115435Couldn't you continue building it through the bear market with the intent to get rich in the next bull run?
>>62115436>I am.So you are just beginning, yet making all this speculative talk? You will experience pain soon, no doubt. The real risk in business ownership is losing an entire decade of your life and ending up with no money, no employable skills, a massive resume gap, etc. You can plot out and model your risk to the best of your ability but if you get black swanned, you're cooked.Judging by what you've said, your business is likely a thin grifting layer over some services?
>>62115459I'm building out something while working a full time job from home.Just like any business you work your balls off until you make money --> systemize --> outsource. That's all that matters. Elon become the richest man alive grifting to some degree. Many people did that recently just riding off AI APIs mixed into their company, then IPO-ing to 8-10 figures. Just do what works.
>>62115473>Just do what works.You should really stop giving advice and talking down to others when you yourself have not been met with any success and are only in the beginning stages of starting something that may never even go anywhere or be completed. You don't even have revenue yet from it sounds like. >Just like any business you work your balls off until you make money --> systemize --> outsource.Business does not exist without risk. You seem to be continually ignoring that. >griftingProviding value is a much more durable competitive edge. There's a difference between grifting and marketing. Elon provided value and great product market fit, and he's a greater marketer or hype man.
Fuck itLet's see some uniquely biz business ideas
>>62115436anybody who claims to make 6figs off of ai slop on youtube is full of shit
>>62115492contrarian crab in a bucket faggot
>>62115857Idk, man. There's a ton of people making good money off youtube assuming they have enough traffic or funnel targeted traffic to paid products.The AI people in particularly outsource the fuck out of everything, so they run like 5 channels with 100k+-1M+ subs. Many strictly pump out shorts. Not even full videos.>>62115861Yeah, these guys will give every excuse to why they can't put some hard work into a vision. Can do this and a job and investing. I don't see why not. It's the best odds to making it.
>>62115436wow you know alot of people very well connected
I do run a business. I don't talk about it here because I'm not going to just tell anons how to compete with me and run me out of business.
>>62115401IT TAKES MONEY TO START A BUSINESS.EVERYONE HERE IS POOR
>>62115861>>62115913Nope, I own a few small businesses and know what the risk profile is like and work required to get there, and what it's like to go out of business and lose a decade of your life. OP is in the honeymoon phase and downplaying all the risks. Which is fine, but he's shitting on other people prematurely and jerking himself off before he's even built anything.
no one wants to take the risk probablyeven though that is what is needed right now with so much people are laid off.make a change, get rich! >>62116203but money *preferably* comes second
>>62116249I am in year 5 of my own small business. I provide professional services to the building industry. It is hell, but getting better. It has been worse than any job I've ever had for stress and workload. The only reason I keep going is for the hope of a better future. I am legally liable for the work I produce. I lose about 20-30/hr off the top for annual software licensing, my own health insurance (bronze), business professional and general liability insurance, annual training and certification fees, the list goes on. Time spent getting supplies,, training, billing, office upkeep, tech support - none of that can be billed to the client..so I work 8-10 hours a day to bill for 6-8. Comes down to I can't survive unless I'm billing 60+ /hr. Reality is I now bill.for.80-120 depending on responsibility and workload. I'm stuck in a job where contract is 60, and it's a proverbial feather-in-the-cap project. I'll be here for another year, maybe 18 months. And I hope the work is there to continue when I'm done. I'm turning down small residential projects now. So we'll see. These are the reasons not everyone starts up a small business, or those that know don't encourage others. Either you will, or you won't, and in either case it should be a decision made of your own volition. It isn't easy, nor is it straightforward. But there is a hope for something better, and with time and effort a business can be.
>>62115401Working is literally the easiest way to make money
>>62115401The easiest way out is to just work 9-5 and buy S&P500/index fund portfolio. It's what 99% of the population should be doing because the average person is too stupid to properly run a business. There are so many retards this day and age going the business route and completely losing their shit.
>>62115401this >>62115409 mainlyneed SOME capital for anything, even if just to experiment until something works, and there's always a chance your idea doesn't fucking work
>>62115401My mom basically asked the same shit and ill also basically tell you the same thing its because 1. Theres nothing im ambitous about to even start a business for2. There is an insane amount of overhead when it comes to having a business and quite frankly I am absolutely content just being a guy that clocks in then clocks out.3. Practically everyone who says they have had a successful business ive ever listened or spoken to say they had to suffer for YEARS before it turned a profit and could function without their constant involvement. 4. Im not the kind of guy who cares that much about extreme amounts of money. I just work to not be that guy you see sleepi g in the streets.
>>62115459>The real risk in business ownership is losing an entire decade of your life and ending up with no money, no employable skills, a massive resume gap, etc>no employable skillsIf the business you're trying to build doesn't require a skill, you're doing it wrong. Even if you fail, you should be far better than your average normie at whatever skill it is by the end of it.
peter thiel was right when he said the only businesses that should exist are monopolies, plebs like you have been led to believe that you have the talent and luck to start a business
>>62116872This, starting your own business is all about ambition and ego (not the bad kind of ego). If all you give a fuck about is making money then you just play markets. That's the world we live in currently. I have no ambition to be a leader, to lead people, to have that responsibility, nor do I have any ideas that I'm so passionate about that I would sacrifice time, energy and suffering for, at least not ones that relate to potential businesses. In the past you could just run a milk farm or some bullshit but even something like a milk farm these days can and will fucking ruin you.
>>62115401If you are talking about "real" business:1. Need capital not to work, especially if you started living already. Realistically you need a year or two of runway. Most people don't have that.2. In overlap with 2, you need some real experience (at which point you often have a family/expenses) - reality is that no one wants to work with you if you aren't coming with a decade of real related expertise. Yes, what's-his-name Anduril dude started his 3d headset shit in his mom's basement (Lucky Palmer?), but usually you don't do that.3. Regulatory costs - a lot of businesses are protected, you don't just need an app, you need 100k of legal opinions, paperwork, certification of your product, etc.4. Operating costs add up - you can have 10k monthly running costs easily before profit.Don't come at me with your small business shit - yes, you can do that and there are exceptions. Mining was $50,000 for 5 rigs to mine half a BTC back in the day, if ETH stayed it would have been for 2-4 BTC.I tell you fags all the time about how people rent apartments and AirBnB them, that's not a business though, that's a hustle.Oh, and websites/apps get cloned in like a day. I ran one of the BTC cycle comparison sites, some kid just copies every single new concept/page within days. I can't imagine he makes more than $100 a month on it, so I can't even be mad.>>62116886This is a platitude. Those aren't real business - it's flip car, build decks, do electrical for house flippers tier. Self-employment tier. Distinctions need to be made."Business" shouldn't be used for anything that doesn't pull in 400k+ without the owner.>>62117450I have Zero to One sitting on my desk, the fag definitely wrote something that stands out a bit from the usually-recommended slop, at least for deconditioning the bullshit mentality business school instills about efficient markets. Probably the only business book I felt like I got at least something out of. I don't remember most of it though.
>>62115413This. It's waging with more risk and work. No thanks.
>>62117450Peter Theil wrote that book from the perspective of a venture capitalist. There are plenty of viable small businesses that would pay much more than the average job. Doesn't make them good investment targets though. >>62116491Hopefully it pans out anon good luck and appreciate the redpill. OP is heavily romanticizing the idea as if it's a life hack.
>>62116886I'm not saying it doesn't require or build skill, but the skills gained are typically not as cleanly transferable as something like a plumber or programmer with industry experience.Businesses HIRE people with skills. The owner/operators skillset tends to be completely different and doesn't lend itself to waging unless you can get a CEO type role, but that's going to be exceedingly unlikely in the context I provided - which is when walking out of a failed business.
>>62115994This.People will find out how lucrative and stress free my business it is, then come in and ruin everything. Especially the turbo autists just profitmaxxing with no soul or appreciation.
>>62117545all good points. especially the part about the 'without the owner' part, although i think $200k+ is more reasonable. if you're risking capital to buy a job that could fail, what's the point? also consider that >self employed individuals generally do not qualify for unemployment insurance benefits>you probably get shittier health insurance than a corporate job>you are your own 401k match>if you run a shit "business" you'll get worse PTO than a corporate job>if your business interfaces with the general public, you'll want to kill yourself
I've got a coffee cart if it counts and can make like 400-600€ after costs on a good daySo basically two weekends of work cover my monthly expensesBut I want to switch to something scalable because that shit is just a job and I don' see it evolvingBut I find it difficult to find something. My issue is that I'm studying electrical engineering and basically everything we've learned you learned in 1926 too. And you can't make a business just because you can calculate some AC voltage drops or whatever. 'Just solve problems bro'Yeah sure if you've worked for a decade in some industry you know some pain points. If you don't work there you don't know themBesides what problem am i solving with sellijg coffee? Like fuck off lots of money making opportunities without problem solvingAll you get is some stupid generic BS advice idk and some people started some weird shit businesses like some structural integrity measurement with some new tech appliance like how the fuck are you supposed to come up with that.Idk
>>62118843>'Just solve problems bro'I also hate this cliche, and most business aren't solving any unique problems. Like a coffee shop, farm, logging business, etc. It's bad because it frames business as something inventor or startup orientated when that's not the case. People just want things and you find a way to sell it to them.
>>62118843I only skimmed this book but it seems good especially when combined with Thiel's 'Zero to One', kinda gets you in the right mindset.. It's hard to be truly 'zero to one' but I interpreted as more of a spectrum and anything you can do to avoid competition is, for the most part, good. If you can do it in a way that establishes recurring revenue, even better. One example of that in the coffee industry would be mushroom coffee. Not exactly zero to one, but a less competitive and more distinguished product with potential for recurring revenue.
>>62115401Because a full time job you don't need business insurance and you aren't responsible if someone gets hurt or something gets destroyed. I don't want to be sued and I don't want to have to pay 14% of social security tax for myself and 7% for everyone I employ. I don't want to pay expensive private health insurance for my family of 4 that's worse than the cheap insurance provided by my full time job. Basically the US is set up to majorly discourage entrepreneurship by legality and expensive health insurance and how expensive it is to have employees because you have to compete with multi billion dollar companies who can afford to provide people with 20-30k worth of benefits a year. Not to mention the time sink of 3-5 years of your prime working years spent making no money when you're first starting out.
>>621154366 figures in African pesos
