I assume /biz/ is pressing the correct button ... right?
>>62157717i press red
>>62157722that makes two of us
>>62157717I am not pressing buttons.
I press red and hack everyone's blue button to malfunction.
>>62157717I hack the internet so that all of India and Africa can only press the blue button, while everyone else can only press the red button.
Why are you trying to elicit a button reaction out of me?
>>62157717Does not seem like you lose by pressing red at all. Although if you do quickly skim it then it might slip past your mind as the paragraph is designed to make blue sound the most enticing and the percentages and implications of "above 50" really drive the trick further.
You then live in a world where only red button pressers live
>>62157824you either live in the current world (blues won, nobody died) OR in a world with only red button pressers.
>>62157717That's a fascinating thought experiment. I'd hit red.
Look.. Basically I’m gonna press it (the red button!!)I know.... UGH I know..... I’m sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It’s just that I’m gonna press it is allHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>>62157717>Red button is right>Democracy and governance dies>People looting>Zero trust environment>Purge-style blood in the streets>Basically every supply chain has collapsed outside of the most outwardly greediest ones>Have to hide in a ditch to avoid people>Only leave to drink water>Tormented by the billions of people who died including your own Grandma, your best friend and that sandwich maker on Main Street you always go to, knowing it's your fault>Every day the air is dense with screams of mass suicides, random explosions and gunfires>You can't sleep at night, as you're always terrified and looking behind your back knowing that only the selfish are around>No one is coming to save you>There's no dating or marriage >There are no countries>There is no goodwill>There's no children outside of rape babies for obvious reasons>The shared contract is dead, perhaps permanently>Society ends in 70 years>There's objectively no hope. There is no faith. There is no God. There is no humanity.>Just you and your ditch against the world>Blue button is right>Everyone is alive>There's proof that humanity fundamentally has your back
>>62157717Red. And I'd text everyone in my family to press red as well.The problem is if 50% of the world dissappears, we'd experience a total economic collapse and widespread death depending on who dies.If all of Africa dies, it's not a big deal. If all the food and energy exporters die, we're screwed.If Blue wins, nothing changes.
>>62157893Good, return to nature.
>>62157902>The problem is if 50% of the world dissappearsOnly the NPC normalfags vax pushing blue button pressers die, what else do you need???
>>62157902The point of this exercise is to show that nearly half of the world (the red pushers) are freeloaders kept on life support by the blue pushers.
>>62157922>>62157924I'm scared bros... idk what to push...
>>62157717blue
You can tell there's not much going on in the world when this boomer facebook tier thing is the main talking point.
Le prisoners dilemma
>>62157931Push the asshole of ops mom, always works for me!
>>62158104how did you determine what the "main" talking point "in the world" is? nigger
>>62157717What is the cause of death? Do i just painlessly vanish?
I don't fully comprehend the question so I'll just press blue because it's my favorite color.
>>62158233by the popularity of discourse surrounding something
>>62157717It would be a much more interesting question if you knew some people get only 1 button to press. Otherwise there's no reason not to press the red button.
>>62157924It’s really interesting because if you do national level polling blue wins by like 90-10 proportions. The fact that it’s like 50-50 among people who are loud on social media is a very good explanation for why the internet sucks so bad in the modern age.
>>62157805>Does not seem like you lose by pressing red at all.Incredible how billions of people dying doesn't count as a loss to you>but everyone can just press red and there's no risk for themMany people ARE going to press blue regardless of what the autistic logician game theory answer is, as the poll shows. If red wins, billions will die, and the red-pressers are responsible because it wouldn't have happened without their selfish choice.
>>62157717only faggy idealist leftoids would even consider pressing blue right? because it sounds better?When in reality everyone reading this twice should notice that everybody can just press the red button for 100% survival, and it's unlimited.
There is no penalty to pressing the red button. If everyone presses the red button everyone survives, so pressing the blue button is just idiotic
>>62158313Don’t give red button pushers the opportunity to claim to be rational, the game theory of the situation is that you push blue. Pushing red requires assuming that every other player is perfectly rational and that no one has an interest in anyone else surviving, neither of which are stated in the problem. Red button pushers watched a youtube video on game theory once and don’t understand the axioms required for its conclusions to hold.
>>62157893>Red button wins>Millions of houses go up for sale at the same time>Used car market explodes with sellers>Millions of new job openings>Corporations have to fight, bargain and offer more to get employees>Cost of food plummets because there's too much supply for the demand>Fire sale on literally everything>Stock market drops 50%The world is inherently competitive and there are finite resources.
>>62158345>requires assuming that every other player is perfectly rationalLiterally an assumption of game theory.
>>62158390dark forest.
>>62157717I asked my wife without showing what people voted. She said red. I'm proud.
>>62158390based and malthus pilledplus, blue button pressers are low IQ, so, eugenic effect is a bonus
>>62158340/thread
>Red button pressersNot fags>Blue button pressersFags.>Logic of the blue button pusherEveryone needs to push blue so we can save not only ourselves but also the misguided red button pushers>Logic of the red button pushersIf you want to live, press red. If retards can't figure this shit out then that's not on me.
>>62158403An assumption within some game theory problems, dumbass, not all game theory problems or all hypothetical situations in general. This is the problem, red button retards watched a 30 minute youtube video on the prisoners dilemma and now think they’re experts on the entire field of game theory.
>>62157717People who press blue are retards.If everyone presses red, everyone lives risk freeIf you press blue, everyone might live and you have a risk of dying.Everyone fucking press red!
>>62158340Half the worlds population potentially dies if you press red. Be team blue. Love wins, Chud.
>>62157893>No one is coming to save you>There's no dating or marriage >There are no countries>There is no goodwill>There's no children outside of rape babies for obvious reasons>The shared contract is dead, perhaps permanently>Society ends in 70 years>There's objectively no hope. There is no faith. There is no God. There is no humanity.>Just you and your ditch against the worldSo basically nothing changes.
I pressed red.
>>62157717THIS SHIT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO BE, RETARDS
>>62158390>finite resources.The material resources are finite, but the value that humans can create from them is basically infinite. Just as a trite example, consider how much value humanity can create from a pencil and paper. If you destroy half of humanity, you would have more material per person to play with, but there would be half as many talented people to create value out of that stuff. Take it to the extreme, pretend you were the last person on earth. Everything belongs to you, but you couldn't do very much with it. If you're lucky you could live out your life eating leftover canned food stuffs while you teach yourself to hunt and hope you don't get cut and die of sepsis. Humanity already produces more food than it needs, we just throw it away.
the answer is red because only goycattle and kikes who need their goycattle to survive would push the blue one
>>62158809why did you kill me
>>62158711Why are you so mad? Game theory was only brought up here as a tool to mock those who make the only rational decision as "autists". In reality you don't need even the slightest introduction to any "game theoretical" concepts or ideas to immediately realize that the only intelligent play with no immediate risk is pressing red. Your faggot moralistic whining holds no weight either, as there is no moral framework which compels one to suicidally and retardedly jump off a cliff just because a large portion of the population does it for virtue signalling.>>62158390>>62158590Based
>>62157931imagine not choosing the heroic suicide option
>>62157717Red is the correct choice and you can tell because the blue button people need to write desperate walls of text to tell you why blue actually the heckin wholesome chungus retard saving choice
>>62157717Blue is the correct choice. Only literal subhumans will press the red button, meaning that by pressing the red button, you are now doomed to live in a world with filled with chimps if blue loses. By pressing the blue button, you either get mercy killed instantly or nothing happens.
I'm certain the amount of people that misinterpreted the instructions are sizeable, therefore pressing the blue button is a humanitarian choice as nobody should have to die for a misunderstanding
>>62158711It's an assumption in every game theory problem where applicable unless stated otherwise. >entire field of game theory Nobody said that, but funnily enough the problem in OP is a n-player prisoners dilemma problem.
>>62157717I saw the original post on X. I picked red and was astounded to see it was 41% red 59% blue. These people are ngmi bros...
>I voted blue because I'm a good personal and I want everyone to live and prosper! Don't you see that I'm a good person? I'm not like those heartless red voters, I'm good!Very compelling. Please face the wall.
>>62157717>>62157893>Red button is right>the only people who die are the ones who are too stupid to live, or those who wanted to feel superior to people like you>society is left with a bunch of like-minded people, working in their own self interest to make life better for themselves and their families>a return to small communities that care about each other>money system completely collapses because there's no reason to charge your uncle or cousin interest, you love your neighbors as yourself>peace and harmony reigns>Blue button is right>nothing about the current state of the world changes>you still have no prospects, no hope, and are surrounded by people who hate you and want you deadY'know it's a tough choice but I think I'll stick with Red. Only those who can read should survive such an easy test.>Everyone is presented with two buttons. If you pick Red, you survive no matter what. If you pick blue, you die unless 50% of the population also picks blue, despite the fact that if they were to pick red they would survive no matter what.
>>62158345>Pushing red requires assuming that every other player is perfectly rational and that no one has an interest in anyone else survivingNone of this is true and it's interesting to watch so many blue-pushers interpret the intention of "the other crowd" so negatively.Red pushers think blue pushers are stupid. If they just thought about the question for a second longer, they would see red has no downsides.Blue pushers think red pushers are -evil-. They insist red WANTS blue dead, when red actually just wants blue to read.Why do you think that is?
>>62159208no I actually want blue button niggers to diewe'd be better off
The more I consider this experiment, the more I appreciate what it seems to signal.There's an astonishing proportion of people that enter this experiment with a pre-existing prey mentality, and that self-imposed mentality is precisely what makes them actual, in action, prey. That is, their default mode of being involves feeling vulnerable, scared, or in danger—for one reason or another. These people bring that mentality into the experiment and vote blue by default, because "we're the good guys and we have to stick together to be safe from the Big Bad Red". Voting red isn't even a consideration; It doesn't even come to mind beyond "I can't side with the baddies". And that's wild.
>>62159277And by the extension of knowing those people exist anyway and deciding you know better than them and voting red, you are choosing to try and kill them, turning what was a misunderstanding of being evil into an actual act of evil.
>>62157750But you did to post this...
>>62159215But why you hate white people?
>>62159461if you press blue you hate white plpblue = everything stays the same = white plp diered = bleeding heart white plp die = white race is savedlow IQs won't get it
>>62159470pretty much.
>>62157824So intelligent people? What reason is there to press blue, literally none?
Since this is everyone in the world your vote wouldn't change anything so why would anyone choose blue when your blue contribution is almost infinitely small? So you can feel heckin wholesome?
>>62157717if everyone presses red, then nothing bad happens to them or anyone elseso its in everyone's best interest to press red
red=get a job and surviveblue=pay taxes so others dont have to get a job and survive anywaythere i deciphered the political message
>>62159920this thread forgets that there are genuine retards that cannot read, or people to stupid to understand "just press red" and are to empathetic.if you press red youre killing those people, they might be friends or family around you too.blue is the only correct option unless youre a lonely /pol/tard thinking killing retards and people with empathy is based and redpilled.
>>62159936/thread
>>62159942just get a job man
>>62159942the upside of pressing blue is less than a drop in the bucket because there are billions of people in the world. even if you got your entire family to vote blue (telling your family to risk their lives) it wouldn't matter to the count.the downside of pressing blue is a substantial likelihood of dyingone choice is better than the other
>>62159942letting the retards you're theoretically protecting have the right to vote is why the USA fucking sucks now
>>62159396>deciding you know better than them and voting redIt's not mental gymnastics, there's no reason to vote blue, it just opens yourself to potentially being killed. It's not "good vs evil" it's "are you too stupid to act in your own self interest"?
>>62160067Meanwhile modern society is so infinitely complex only utter fucking retards with dunning kruger think they can avoid every "blue button" moment that they don't even know exists.
How about a rewording of the problem?>Two buttons>If you press red you live>But if you press blue and less than 50% of other people also press blue, all the blue pressers die
>>62160075>Are you too stupid to act in your own self interestYes there are people out there like that, and they deserve to be saved from their own poor decisions. So it is about good vs evil and you proved yourself evil in that you can only conceive of reasons to act out of self interest and not out of more noble causes
>>62158313Billions of people dying would not be a loss to me, correct. They only people I want on the planet are Europeans and East Asians. Humanity would benefit if no one else existed
>>62160087>and they deserve to be saved from their own poor decisionswhy?
>>62160102Because eugenics doesn't work. Just because they made a single mistake does not imply the human race is better off without them, and deciding you know better if everyone is better off without them implies a level of pride that is ultimately more self consuming and destructive than the mistake itself.
>>62159277kys aislopper
>>62160119Objectively humanity would be better off though without low IQ people though. In many places these people live in flith, contribute nothing to humanity and simply exist with no interest in the future or exploration. They hold the rest of us back
>>62160132If you want to genocide people due to a standardized test and consider your life will be better for it I'm extremely skeptical of your own intelligence.
>>62157717Blue, easy
>>62160119>Because eugenics doesn't workNature is eugenic. You know what does work really well? Dysgenics, where you push policies that hold humanity back because of your feelings of moral superiority.
>>62157717Red is 100% survival. You only have chance at dying if you press blue
>>62160209Well that's a load of garbage, nature spits out genetic abominations with no right to be alive all the fucking time. Nature gave me enough of a brain to tell your a tyrannical retard ready to decimate people for their perceived slight against your delusional view of order, hence calling it dysgenic to not genocide people. Those who tend to be certain their system isn't the one to introduce systemic failure tend to be pretty fucking dumb.
>>62160244
>>62160288Not an argument, good of you to self identify yourself as someone who thinks they deserve to kill others though
>>62158818I think the talented people would be the ones who can properly read the instructions and determine the rational choice.
I love how the social commentary on this is retardedly flawed in it’s logic just like blue voters in generaIf everyone pressed the red button literally no one dies
>>62157717The sad joke is that there are way too many midwits, guaranteeing their survival.
>>62160142It isn't genocide retard, it's natural selection. A group is exposed to a selective pressure and culled/preserved accordingly, no one is going out and killing these people, they're just failing a simple test of wit which their survival depends on
>>62157717This is missing something like if everyone pushes red everyone dies because there is zero reason to push blue in this scenario.
>>62160525>It's natural selection>Even though I was given a choice to not harm anyone and didn't take itSeems like it's selection by anons will not natures will. One wonders just how many naturally selective tests your dumb ass has failed and been spared for by those more knowledgable.
This is the male version of "Would you rather be stuck in the forest with a man or a bear?" and the red button is the bear.
>>62160612The only potential for harm in the entire exercise is self harm. Everyone has the option to guarantee personal safety. Not making that choice is a personal failure of judgement, not an act of outside aggression.
>>62160633It was already stated in the argument chain, because it is guaranteed people will incorrectly pick blue it becomes a failure of your own intelligence and an act of aggression yes to pick red. Picking red ultimately shows not self interest so much as it does self reliance, so ultimately in the long run you have doomed yourself to eventually picking the wrong answer and killing yourself since you have voted for no safety net and pure self reliant decision making. You probably have fat pudgy fingers and will select blue on accident and then die because of your mistake, in short.
>>62157717I didn't see anyone mentioning here how people would react to this in the geopolitical scale. What if world governments agree on forcing everyone to press blue, by threat of death?What if blue pressers threatend to kill all the red pressers after everything is done?I'm a red presser at heart, but I will probably press blue if the bleeding hearts seem too powerful.
>>62157717In a homogeneous community, pressing Blue is logical. It means that you safeguard those who don't understand the problem, and everyone survives because the majority of you care about saving your own kind, your loved ones, and the loved ones of those around you.
>>62160387right, and blue voters somehow blame the red ones for their hypothetical death. it's a great question not because of the logic (where red is objectively correct) but because of the commentary. it distills the retardation of leftism into a single mechanismI pray we get the to vote red for real
>>62160655>people will incorrectly pick blue>correctly picking red is a failure of intelligenceYour argument is nonsensical to the point of satire. Self reliance is self interest to competent individuals. A moral framework which requires me to stand underneath a 100 story high rise in order to break the fall of retards willfully jumping off of it is absurd, and you are beyond retarded for subscribing to it.
>>62160659yeah but this is everyone. the two buttons basically say:>survive>die (unless 4.1 billion people also press this button)
>>62160685Maybe your just too retarded to get it? Here I'll say it slower, you stupid monkey, you make stupid monkey decision, betting on your decision not being stupider than other monkey really dumb of you, show really bad understanding of just how dumb of a monkey you are
>>62160659You're making the assumption that your community will reach the 50% threshold required for blue win. If it doesn't, up to 50% of your population dies thanks to blue retards. If your community isn't retarded, red is zero risk.
>>62160686>Die unless 4.1 billion other people also press this buttonYeah welcome to the modern world dipshit, glad you understand the problem now
Who made the buttons?
>>62160686Some part of it would even extend to now though. Would you really want to kill your blue presser family members and be left in a world of red pressers?>>62160690That's correct, I am. I feel that in my bones that intelligent kind hearted people would press blue knowing that the everyone can be saved through that vote. It's simply a question of whether you think those around you would also risk their lives to save others.
>>62160289Put this into the frame of a monetary bet. One bet preserves your existing capital (red). The other bet leads to total loss unless a majority of participants also bet on this (blue). What is the better bet, and who is to blame for the losses? You suggest blue is morally superior for some reason?
>>62157717I'd press blue to make red chuds seethe when we all survive anyways>>62157893So it'd be essentially Canada lol
>>62160696>That's correct, I am.Then you see at least that this is a completely unfounded assumption, that gambles mass suicide for no net gain vs betting red?>>62160699>I'd press blue to make red chuds seethe when we all survive anywaysonly viable answer
>>62160688>he said condescendingly as he rushed to catch bodies falling at terminal velocity
>>62160700The entire problem is about unfounded assumptions, that's why it's interesting. Anyone pressing red could risk killing off 90% of the first world population and be left in a world of squalor, you don't know.
>>62160698I think it's extremely telling you consider not killing people a purely moral argument. That aside blue is the only logical argument, not a moral one. Betting that you will correctly pick red everytime is a losing bet. To refer to my other post red pickers are probably obese fattys that will inevitably eventually incorrectly select blue and kill themselves. Thus logically selecting blue to protect misclickers is the only logical solution. Any answer that isn't dependent upon cooperation is ultimately a losing proposition in the long term.
>>62160703Consider maybe the thought that at least one person now wants to push you out of a window.
>>62160706Holy kek, alright you got me. High quality bait up until this point.
>>62160719I'm being serious, blue is the correct answer. The real world analogy to me is that society is fundamentally a scenario where you need enough cooperation to have most people click the same button or everyone dies. Considering people can't perform surgery on themselves and don't machine their own cars, you need cooperation. Red is a troll answer.
>>62160734except everyone with a brain votes red. USAID workers vote blue.do you really think your surgeon is gonna press blue?
>>62160736I think your not understanding the comparison for sure. Or memeing.
>Blue = going to heaven>Red = going to hellJesus even color coded it for you.
>>62159396Told myself I'd reply to this. Spitballing here:>You can either board a train with no brakes or stand in front of the train with no brakes. If >50% of the people stand in front, the train will be stopped and nobody gets hurt. If not, the train plows through and kills everyone in front.These are the same conditions as OP.Now, you know the obvious choice is to hop on the train. But you're a moral guy and you notice a few wackos choosing to stand in front. God knows why. There they are. You say, "We can't let this happen! Come on everyone! HEAVE," and you leap in front of the train. You call on anyone who hasn't already made a choice to join you. We finna save lives boi.There's 2 outcomes:>Enough people jump in front, and the train stops. Everyone pats each other on the back. Everyone gets to feel like a hero, and Altruism™ actually wins.>Train Stoppers now carry animosity toward Train Riders, because Train Riders don't help.or>Not enough people jump in front, and a misled savior complex results in many more deaths than necessary. The outcome is nothing short of a tragedy. Train Riders say, "Damn, that's rough. But that's how it is." Some of them are stricken with survivor guilt. "Next time I will help them," they say.>Train Riders now carry indifference toward Train Stoppers, because Train Stoppers are insane.I agree that voting red has a side effect of increasing the likelihood of blue dying. I agree that I'm actively contributing to death. I don't agree that I am morally obligated to save strangers, nor am I obligated to save the people that want to save strangers.Don't save the drowning thrasher.Pull the lever.Board the train.Choose red.
I guess it doesn't matter who created the button as long as i get to charge a $5 dollar fee everytime the buttom is pressed. You guys are pathetic.
On second thought i'll add a $2 tax on top of that $5 fee just to get the government on my side.
>>62157717nash equilibrium is 100% of people press the red button, so its a waste of time nobody is going to die
>>62157717Is there a button that kills all nonwhites?
You guys are just a bunch of button pressers. Pathetic.
>>62158313>and the red-pressers are responsible because it wouldn't have happened without their selfish choice.I am not responsible for some low-IQ retard choosing to commit suicide because he's incapable of understanding the choice, or his suicidal altruism was so great that it overrode his ability to understand the choice and resulted in him making a surface-level decision. If some retard puts a gun to his head and says he's going to kill himself unless I put a gun to my head too, am I responsible for his death because I didn't partake in his retarded choice?
>If you push this red button you live>If you push this blue button there is a chance you kill yourselfWhy would anyone push blue?
>>62160803>not charging a fee for pushing one of these buttonsSomeone created that choice for you.
>>62160791>If some retard puts a gun to his head and says he's going to kill himself unless I put a gun to my head too, am I responsible for his death because I didn't partake in his retarded choice?Tha's not the situation being described here. You already have a gun to your head, you are both forced into the same situation and you both need to make an active choice. The question is whether you trust others to cooperate in order to achieve the objectively best outcome of the situation you are in. Or whether you either *don't* trust them, or just dgaf about anyone else, and pick the choice that results in billions dying as long as you personally get to live. It's not the smarter choice to give up on the best outcome to save yourself. Cooperation, even at personal risk, is the foundation of human greatness. It is honorable, brave and far-sighted, it is what separates our society from animals in the dirt. Not cooperating is not the "smart choice", on the contrary: it is a choice driven by lizard brain emotion: fear. You are so scared of dying that you throw away your humanity and your honor, to save yourself in the most shameful of manners.
>>62157717that doesn't even work as a moral dilemma situation because pressing the red button just means you refuse to play the game, and anyone who presses blue is an idiot who risked their own life for no reason, not a victim of your actions.
>>62160803I am fairly convinced that if people actually had to put their lives on the line with that decision and thus spent some time thinking about it, red would go to 90+%The only lose scenario in that game is pressing blue and being in the minority. You have to be a total idiot to do that.
>>62160887Nobody dies if everyone chooses red. There's a 0% chance you die if you choose red. Choosing blue is the only scenario where people die. Therefore choosing blue is retarded.
>>62158345>the game theory of the situation is that you push blue>Pushing red requires assuming that every other player is perfectly rationalgame theory inherently assumes that everyone acts rationally, kekthat is the whole basis of it.
>>62160874You still don't get it. You are on /biz/. We will profit regardless - for we are capitalist legion. Your moral choices are irrelevant. I guess you are a low six figure new money broke boy.
>>62160874>You already have a gun to your headYou don't though, because red is the zero risk scenario. The gun only appears next to your head the moment you press blue, because then you gambled your life on at least 51% of the world population being dumb and/or illiterate.Without trying to mock you, this is a good opportunity for you to take a step back and think about why you decided blue would be a good choice. It's the only scenario in this game where there is any risk to your personal life. The only reason you'd press it is because you're either retarded, or because you're a lemming who will jump off the cliff because everyone else did so, too.And in the latter case, you'd be better off in life if you started to figure out why you'd do something like that and to stop doing it.
>>62160874>>62160897also, why the fuck do you assume that billions would die? kekif everyone presses red, zero people will die.if you actually had to put your life on the line rather than doing some moral soap boxing, this would be nowhere close enough to a 50:50 for blue to have any hope of winning.
>>62157717Part of the issue is that most women would default to blue no matter what.If you press red, you risk ending up in a low trust society with African warlords competing for the crumb of pussy left over. If you press blue, you either get a functional society or you move on to a better world.Blue is the correct choice regardless, but for the red-pushers it's important to consider the world you would be in if it came to pass.
>>62160901you're trying to interpret some moral dilemma crap into it that doesn't exist.red isn't buying your own survival at the death of others, red is just the exit button which lets you leave the game safely.you are so trapped in your moral-fagging that you would voluntarily walk into a death trap for no other reason but because your moralfag-mind won't even let you read the question and think about what it means.you just immediately default to>blue GOOD, red BADwith no further consideration to the fact that blue is a trap and you are voluntarily walking into it
>>62160904Any true /biz/raeli would be the one offering (you) the choice to choose between the two buttons and collecting the license fee for pushing it. You are larping and we all know it.
>>62160904So the masses possess a true wisdom and would not fail to exit the game? Or do we not care about the masses since we aren't moral-fagging?Since we're not moral-fags, what prevents me from having a preference in our red society devoid of all those moral-fag blue button pressers that (you) aren't allowed to exist within it anymore?
>>62160921You still don't get it? The real answer is a question: "How the fuck do i profit off that?"
>>62160901>Part of the issue is that most women would default to blue no matter what.only in the US/EU and only liberal womenpressing red = retarded whites die = white race lives on, finally
>>62157717Pressing red would be the fastest path forward to building an actual Objectivist society. In which case, I choose blue because I don't want to live in that society.
>>62160935
>>62160900>also, why the fuck do you assume that billions would die? kek>if everyone presses red, zero people will die.read >>62158313
>>62160938>i have to choose between these two worldviews someone else created for meYou will always be poor.
>>62157717Not getting 100% on red button... wtf is wrong with people
>>62160948Give me $100mm and i will create concensus.
>>62158313If you press blue button instead of red button knowing that by pressing red button you have 100% chance of survival you are basically saying you want people who are too stupid to understand the problem to continue living.
>>62160983And if they are too stupid for that, they probably arent needed for society anyway.
>>62158273Are yoy afraid of a bit of temporary suffering, ypu pussy?
>>62160705>The entire problem is about unfounded assumptionsAgree, for blue pillers>Anyone pressing red could riskNo, red risk nothing. Only blue assumes risk.
>>62160706>>62160734go to college bro
reminder that blue button pressers wanted you DEAD for not taking the vax
Asking @grok
You'd probably see higher blue rates among:Urban, highly educated Western liberalsPeople deep into effective altruism or "we're all one" type thinkingYounger people on social media echo chambersAnd higher red rates among:Engineers, economists, game theorists (who spot the dominant strategy)People from high-corruption or low-trust societies (who know coordination fails)Those who prioritize "don't be the sucker" logic
>>62161016I could give you some insight statistics but they don't come cheap.
>>62160887>if people actually had to put their lives on the lineHow do you know your life is on the line? Maybe you're just being tested before deployment.
>>62161002Did you not read? You risk killing your family and friends. People in your community you rely on, your favourite musicians and artists etc.
>>62159898Yes intelligent people. Potential scientists, doctors and engineers. Don't be racist, I would love to live in a world with red button pressers
This guy >>62160787 is right. You are a bunch of button mashing /pol/cels.
>>62157750Best hope blue wins unless you hold link
>>62159208Red has the downside of also killing people who didnt even pick a button
>>62161200Where did it say that?
>>62157717The question can be rephrased as "press the red button to live, or press the blue button and you might die". Obviously you press the red button and convince all of those whom you love to press it too. If some dummies want to gamble with their lives and press the blue button then so be it. The collective IQ of the world goes up.
Imagine living in a society full of faggots that choose red (chinese, jews, narcissist faggots with vision tunnel that can only spew (it's not my fault you chose red! reee!)Bluechads on the other hand can live and let live altruistically. And if the majority of people choose red, there is no point in living in this godforsaken planet anyways. The lucky ones will be those that choose to die instead of those that remain living in a society of high distrust full of egotistic faggots that will rip each other's heads off in the coming years. Where is your sense of adventure, red faggots? "oh I don't wanna die! I'm scared people will choose red! i've been filtered by a kindergarten-tier level game theory exercise!!!1!!" Fuck off, bitches. We live together or we die alone
>>62160095Where does it specify that only Europeans and East Asians survive the red button culling?It doesn't even specify that your family survives.
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>>62157717This is masonic symbolism. Red/blue dichotomy.
>>62157717WE are blue. In fact, I'm so pro-blue that I would pick red just so that if the red button wins, I will personally start mowing down murders straight to the devil himself.No one's dying if you pick blue.I will make sure you're dead if you red.We're all surviving or we're all dying. Those are the new choices.Hope that helps, you selfish parasite.
>>62161454yeah bro just press blueyeah bro no india and china will pick blue for sure broyeah bro it's not like guaranteeddeath brodon't be selfish bro just press blue okay?
>>62157717>Cooperation to extinguish the domesticatedIt’s obvious that the answer is the reason why you don’t press the blue button is because of modern people. Only a modern person who has abstracted away all of their primal fears and responsibilities as humans would press the blue button. It takes a modern mindset to press the blue button. People that press the blue button also take Covid vaccines. Support illegal immigrant welfare. Support multiculturalism and globalism. Blue button pressors are broken humans that are domesticated. Any person that has responsibility to take care of someone, or something bigger than themselves would always press the red button. You don’t give up a meal now that you can bring back to your family so that maybe there’s a chance other people you don’t know can eat. This assumes the hunter gather mindset that hasn’t been brainwashed with the modern social media.
>>62161510Just say "I'm a coward and I don't wanna save the children".Unvaxxed blue btw, but you're too subtarded to understand the difference between the two.
>>62161485It's not a gamble. I will pick blue. You will pick blue. The world will pick blue. We're not having a conversation on if "only" hundreds of million "stupid people" vote blue. This isn't a democracy. 8 billion people are surviving. Whether you do is another question.Red is for treacherous devils who for some reason think it's acceptable for millions to die over a single choice.Blue is for handsome heroes who will ensure no one to dies, including even the treacherous devils provided you choose blue.
>>62161524Your brain is domesticated. If survival of hour family was in your hands and the world was in a more hostile state you would be responsible for heir deaths. You are the coward. You are not wise. You’re a naïve impulsive under developed domesticated human.
>>62161531>It's not a gamble. I will pick blue. You will pick blue. The world will pick blue.Look.. Basically I’m gonna press it (the red button!!)I know.... UGH I know..... I’m sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It’s just that I’m gonna press it is allHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>>62161593And I'll make sure that will be the last ethical mistake you make in life. Enjoy the hellscape you chose.
>>62161608Quite the opposite. Red pressors would be willing to cooperate with each other because they’re founded in logic and understanding of how the real world works. Removing up to 50% of the population is exactly what the people controlling our planet have in store for us. You just still operate under subsidize ideas like capitalism, welfare and ideologies like the United States.
>>62157717Only 42% of these fags are honest.
>>62161237You know, you can just kill yourself, right? You don't need some game or grand fake moral dilemma to mentally masterbate to? You can just go off on your grand adventure all on your own. Bon voyage!
>>62157717Jannies ban me for racism but let this shit remain
>>62161204>only people who pressed red will surviveAlso, blue requires 50% of the population to vote blue. Most elections are lucky to have even 60% of the population vote while red wins by blue failing to meet their objective. A million people could press blue and 1 person red and that would mean blue failed the vote and everyone on earth except that 1 guy is dead because blue didnt get the required 1.5+ billion votes
It's been proven time and again throughout history that societies only exist through rational cooperation. You can ignore red pressers as edgy mental midgets.
>>62161668this board is dead so who cares
The obvious philosophical implications here are:1. Is the glass half empty or half full. How you view humanity? Are people inherently good is the initial premise. Obvious implication being that most people will think inherently good as a blue button pressors when that might not necessarily be the case. You can make strong arguments that good people choose red or blue. If humanity was overpopulated and swiftly approaching a K-curve event then the blue button pressors would result in more deaths. 2. This is an analogy for developing nuclear weapons (not using them). Pressing the blue button is a country that chooses not to develop nuclear weapons. Press pressing the red button is a country that chooses to develop nuclear weapons however doesn’t necessarily deploy them. They choose to develop a technology for mutual destruction that could wipe a majority of all humans. The obvious implication here is a blue pressor country that has a capacity to develop nuclear weapons and chooses not to, in a world where other countries develop nuclear weapons, has no self preservation inherent in it’s strategy and could be recognized as foolish, or ideologically naïve.
>>62161685You could also make the argument that blue pressors are shallow surface level thinkers that can’t see beyond one layer.
>>62161629No. Us bluechads will make sure the government (obvious blue voters) have the nukes, oil spills and the electric grid ready in if red wins. Everyone's living or everyone's dying. There's no "only 500 million died" Sorry not sorry :)
Boss was looking through Sharepoint and noticed that I haven't been uploading some stuff to Sharepoint for a couple months. I have until tonight to cover it up, and I might still get in trouble if he pays attention to the dates. Fuck MSFT.
>>62161761Your positions aren’t quite arguments, rather a collection of statements without logical form or counter examples. You can’t recognize a reality where blue pressors results in higher deaths than red pressors because you have a problem with abstract spiral thinking. Maybe cut back on the ultra processed foods.
>>62161725nukes don't exist btw
>>62161788Doesn’t matter if that’s true or not (btw). The concept has already been indoctrinated into the mainstream population.
Red is the only logical choice.
>>62160713I'm White so I assume that already
>>62161146How am I responsible for them failing to choose the only option that guarantees their safety?
>>62157717>Everyone in the world>the WORLD>not just your country, but every country >Asking a Chinese not to choose Red, their sacred colour>1.41 billion of themFuck what you believe, China will go Redder than their flag.The game becomes to convince everyone to press the Red button. Just vocally state on every platform and everything that you are pressing the Red button, like a preacher saying the end is nigh. If you don't press red, you die, basically.Basically play like this dude in Golden Ballshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qjK3TWZE8
These are arguments designed to elicit tribal division and go viral. These types of dichotomies have been used at elevated levels in social media since 2008 - 2010 to help thwart the 99% protests and distract from classism. Similar to how Obama and Trump form a stark polarization between groups. Very similar.
>>62161803>Red is a sugar pillMore proof that red button pressers are obese fat fucks that will accidentally click blue through their squinty fat fuck eyelids and sausage like fingers, luckily since humanity is not evil we will save them from their owj mistake by picking blue.
>>62161775It's not an argument because there's nothing to take a position over. Either you pick blue or you die and there for blue is the logical choice and everyone will pick blue and therefore everyone, stupid or not lives and nothing happens. The problem was solved and OP can delete the thread.
>>62161866>there's nothing to take a position over.Incorrect. The entire premise is literally a choice which is a position to take. Your willingness to intentionally not engage in intellectual talking points around said position speaks volumes about your mental capacity or lack there of.
>>62161820Because that's how society functions, you definitely didn't build the supply chains that let you shitpost your hot take. Taken to its ultimate conclusion, red button pressers are retards that agree they deserve to die for problems somebody else already solved. >>62161866>REEEE I'm not stupid save me hivemind!!!There's a correct answer to this question and red button pressers outed themselves as psued's. Cry more
>>62161882I think this thought experiment is easier for most people to understand if you simply frame it as: if one person presses the red button then the blue button pressers die. The reality is the only societies where people will majority press the blue button are western modern societies with declining birth rates. The last three industrial revolutions have reached have it on western people’s ability to think clearly outside of a hivemind. Western societies owned governments are arguably hostile to their own people, yet the domestication of the western people (myself included) are so strong you have people willing to sacrifice themselves for the system that’s actively sacrificing them.
>>62161901>The last three industrial revolutions have reached have it on western people’s ability to think clearlyHave reeked havoc on western’s people ability to think clearly due to negative environmental pressures, like ultra processed foods, industrialized chemical food chains, pesticides herbicides, water, air pollution, etc.
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>>62161901>>62161911Wrong. Crux of the matter here is you already live in this world, of your own free will you can go press red button and make a trillion dollars, your failure to press the right button means your a retarded blue button pusher. Here's the instructions, open your preferred crypto exchange, look at that big "x100 leverage long buy" button, at any moment you have a choice to click it at the right time and make 100,000%. Since you failed to do that though this means you clicked blue button, and are mentally retarded by your own admission
>>62158313Simple logic dictates then that blue is the morally wrong and evil choiceWhen you press blue, not only do you risk your own live unnecessarily, but now your loved ones need to risk their lives and press blue to ensure you survive, when in reality if everyone simply made the rational decision to press red nobody would need to risk themselvesblue is literally the evil choicethis is a fascinating hypothetical because it reveals how certain strains of humanity endanger the rest of us convinced they're doing the right thing, leftists
>>62161935i mean, jesus would push blue. satan or serial killers would press red, because of self preservationi support jesus
>>62161932>When you press blue, not only do you risk your own live unnecessarily, but now your loved ones need to risk their lives and press blue to ensure you survive, when in reality if everyone simply made the rational decision to press red nobody would need to risk themselvesand the fact that in all of these threads I seem to be the only one to realise this fact is also kind of concerning>>62161237>>62161943see>this is a fascinating hypothetical because it reveals how certain strains of humanity endanger the rest of us convinced they're doing the right thing, leftistsreally damning and blackpilling how the average human can't think just a few steps ahead
>>62161935>>62161943also FUCK aliens/"fairies"/demons/interdimensional lucid dreamers god and christ is almighty
>>62161932By simple logic you must mean for simpletons then, as blue button is the optimal outcome and therefore optimal choice.
>>62161946the only blackpill is its revealing how many brown people and redditors post here
