Everyone says just invest in indices like the S&P500 you can't beat the marketBut what if you buy an index fund here? Do you just bag hold for 30 years to break even?
>>62172262Learn to DCA
>>62172262Yes. Market number always goes up. Better to invest and hold for 40 years than gamble with ups and downs trying to get rich fast.
>>62172262True but imagine staring into the abyss of that chart and saying "No, I will hold"
>>62172262wait for red box candle to form the top then short into the fvg its a short macro wise
>>62172262Yea, they will tell you to be a baggie for 30 years. Instead, you could learn and be active with your investments and money and make barrels full of money much quicker. If you want to set it and forget it. Or you are a retard, then just put it in index funds and walk away. If you want to make money and retire early, be an active participant and do what it takes to make it. It really comes down to that. If you are unwilling to put in the work, then you deserve nothing.
>>62172262wow 40 years to buy the dip
>>62172262Where you have made your blunder is thinking the Nikkei 225 is justasgood as the S&P 500, when they aren't remotely comparable.
>I invested everything I have and will ever have precisely at the worst point in time possible and then stoppedthis never happens, and japan is a unique case. It was more a problem with how insane their growth/speculation was, people thought they would surpass the United States (just like China after that).
>>62172343>voo and chill>you cant beat the marketthe anon above gets it. no doubt index investing is highly effective. I put a portion of my paycheck into swppx no matter what every paycheck, but I also take just as large a portion and invest it into individual stocks and options (selling/buying). im not sure why/how this "you CANT beat the market" norman doctrine came from, but numerous anons do it every week. even yesterday:GOOGL CMG both were too low and jumped last night. nothing better than having your broker green. ive even heard ppl say to delete your broker app and dont look at it for a decade. lmao cattle just living in the real world.
>>62172262Japan just needed to import 10 million jeets
>he thinks that’s bad Imagine buying stocks in Russia/China/Prussia in the early 20th century. You just lose the bag entirely.
>>62172262>But what if you buy an index fund here? Do you just bag hold for 30 years to break even?Yes and they still beat your average crypto bro lol
>>62172262>DUDE JUST BAG HOLD FOR 50% OF YOUR ADULT LIFE LMAO
There's going to be so many bagholders with index funds it's unreal, biblical even.Vast majority only started around 2015 at the earliest, when trading apps became a thing with cheaper or free trades. They have only ever known bull by riding the post 2008 wave and not been bloodied by an actual bear market yet.You are lying if you tell me you were one of the few who used to phone up a broker to place a trade (with a heavy fee) so not interested in hearing that.
>>62172262buy something that's more diversified, the ACWI IMI or so.it will probably cost you gains because you didn't purely focus on the current winners, but in exchange you also won't get fucked as hard if things go south.if one country falls and another rises, it doesn't really matter that much because you owned both.
>>62172262>he can't time the marketyikes
>>62172262your image seems to have forgotten dividends, friendoh well, it's only like 1-2%, right? i'm sure it wouldn't really affect anything! probably just a rounding error!
what about the guy who invested everything right here?>YAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOO
I tell people not to invest in the S&P and instead to invest in crypto. I know at least three people whose lives have been destroyed as a result kek.
>>62172262Japan cooked their economy with a massive bubble. The US economy vastly lower.The S&P 500 has an average return of 10% a year from 1957.
>>62173741I have been investing since like 2000. you could make trades without calling anyone then. it was done online and 8 dollars for a trade using Ameritrade. it was cheaper other places.
>>62173558It's all cost benefit. How much time are you putting into your active trading and how much ahead of passive index strategies on lower overhead accounts is that getting you? Is that worth your time?If you're having fun then sure, whatever.
>>62172262>complains about the S&P>posts a more concentrated price-weighed fund tracking half as many companiesAnon, please stop being retarded. If you're paranoid over single country risk, buy the world.
>>62175377agree. one of my highlights in life is being on /smg/ and being in control of my money. OP, why not invest in RSP?
>>62173558>im not sure why/how this "you CANT beat the market" norman doctrine came from, but numerous anons do it every week.The vast majority of traders can't, it's shown by statistics. Beating the market consistently YoY is like being a pro NBA player, it requires genetics and years of practice.Even your example is retarded. You have to know exactly when the buy and when to sell to make money, otherwise you can easily lose all your gains on a single bad trade.
>>62172262>Cherry picking an example>Didn't invest more money on the dipYes bag holding is the way to go because the other option is selling at a loss.Next time bring a more realistic approach so we can discuss.
>>62177878>you have to know exactly when the buy and when to sell to make moneyokay have fun dealing in the real world. you literally fell for the reddit meme. and added more today with my AAPL calls today. how much will VT increase today?
>>62172343People on this board will aggressivley give you shit reddit advice crying aobut trading. If I had been actively trading the last year I'd be up 1,470,000. Fuck /biz/eddit.
>>62179116And there are tons of examples where the opposite will happen. All of the people who make it with active trading think they're so smart for hitting some lucky timings while all of the shmucks who lose tons have offed themselves or keep quiet. You people are such hindsight fucking losers incapable of any critical thinking.
>>62173399The s&p can see a lost decade just as easily in a credit bubble and has experienced lost decades in the 20th century. You think the people buying the top had any inkling that a lost decade was coming? Do you think the euphoria now might have felt similar then and a lost decade is completely out of the question?
>>62179276Look I understand the risks but the thing is that there so much constantly unnecessary fud. So fucking what if I lose 20k in initial capital? That's a few months of eating ramen and working to get it back, it's not life-ruining permanently. That's the problem with this board. Once you crunch the numbers after a few bull markets you realize the people pissing their pants over potential losses and fudding you out are costing you 100x what you could ever potentially lose even if your calls went straight to zero.
>>62177878Its very simple. You watch a company and its stock and how it moves. You watch its momentum. Then you buy some when it starts to move. You can then exit early if you get anxious and take your profit, however small. Then, you watch it move down again and purchase it once more, repeating the cycle and perhaps holding longer until you are very good with that particular stock. Sometimes you make a mistake and purchase something that goes down. Most people impulsively sell to avoid further loss but fail to see it may(and most likely will) rebound. Most of it is emotional and you need to learn how to blunt those emotions. That comes with practice of entering and exiting positions and watching your emotional reaction and the results of that reaction post sale or buy. Now you can do this with multiple companies within the sector and make more money once you have control. It is important to Incorporate news cycles and get political activity and have the proper indicators in your charting. you will be amazed and how much money you will be rolling in because you understand the movement of your stock and its sector. Understanding its movement allows you to calmly make desissions instead of irrational ones which may end up costing you lots.You are in control of your money. Be an active participant. Learn as much as you can and employ as many tools as you can. Dont be the index cuck who accepts 10% a year. Excell to 10% a month instead. If you cannot dedicate the time needed for that, it is understandable. You will have to be a cuck. A vast majority of traders fail to beat an index because they are either gamblers or pigs or let thier emotions trade for them. Dont be those people. It sounds too good to be true, but its not. Just like the gains you will make, they are realized.
>>62179559>Dont be the index cuck who accepts 10% a year. Excell to 10% a month instead. II can always immediately tell when someone has no idea what they're talking about. 10% per month is 214% per year which is hilarious for you to mention as a goal. The best traders on the planet can't do that. Mark Minervini won the US Investing Championship with 155% in one year and averages at 20-50% annually. William J. O'Neil averages 20-30%.
>>62179559I have a feeling I'm headed into the pig category on memory. I'm up about 100% on sndk. But i don't know how to exit. I think memory is going to keep going up because of the current economics
>>62172262every stock in that index is a dividend stock.you posted a dividend index without dividends.dumbfuck retard
>>62172262that's still getting market performance for those dollars. the dollars you earned before are also getting market performance but those dollars had a lower cost basis. stick with the thigh high boots
buy photonics you will beat the market for the next 5 years
>>62179315>The S&P 500's lost a decade once so the Nikkei losing 3 1/2 decades means it's justasgoodFuck off back to retardville you mouth breather.
>>62174830It doesnt matter if you buy that or a less diversified one like the ftse all world with 4400 companies, because it will be automatically rebalanced every quartal. If scam altman fucks up, his company is btfoed while successful small caps that werent into the index from begin with rise in value. You yourself just hold 0.01% of the less successful companies anyway because all these indices are weighted via market capitalisation.
