>Six months ago, people arguing that AI was a bubble were pointing to real-world facts, whereas people arguing against the bubble hypothesis were making speculative promises about the future. Today, the roles have reversed. AI’s explosive growth may yet encounter some new unforeseen obstacle. But the burden of proof has shifted to the naysayers.https://archive.ph/MaQ36
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>>62181332I still dont know what AI does except being a chatbot, image/video maker and coding helper.
they say that about every bubble
>>62181349i have zero exposure to any ai adjacent stocks but it could really be the case, as the industrial revolution replaced muscle with machine the ai revolution replaces mind with machine
>>62181364Do you not own the shit and piss 500?
>>62181332>its 1999>be the atlantic magazine>hype the dotcom boom as the greatest thing ever>there will never be a crash againhttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1999/10/beyond-the-information-revolution/304658/
>>62181365unless my gold miners, oil and gas companies start building data centers then no
>>62181345it totally dissolves knowledge as a barrier, for example AI can replace an entire team of lawyers and can do what used to cost $100,000+ of knowledge work for $10 in API credits. Its not perfect, but its real, and the game is changed.
>>62181332>But the burden of proof has shifted to the naysayers.It's easy. Every single time you have had everyone from the goys to the suits arguing if you're in a bubble, you've been in a fucking bubble.
>>62181369>be the Atlantic chief financier Laurene Powell>be BFFs with Ghislaine Maxwell since the 1990s>marry Steve Jobs >spend time on Little St. James laughing with Ghislaine Maxwell well into pre-menopause>love looking at those Mossad tits>get bogged by plastic surgery>husband dead>waiting for her turn >posts Boomer shitposts on The Atlantic just to spread confusing signals to moderate cynical Boomers who want to be morally superior and saintly, snarky and insulting, and above the issues of our time all at once
>>62181376When the goyim in flip flops and the goyim in suits are both saying something will go down I know it can only go up further.
literally every time there is a generational investment you will have midwits calling it a bubble.you had these same retards calling bitcoin a bubble in 2015
>>62181373only complete retards believe this. go talk to a practicing lawyer and ask them about the insane nonsensical gibberish they get from their "AI savvy" clients.
IS IT A FUCKING BUBBLE OR NOT????I CANT TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMOREEEEEEEE
>>62181400every single legal office in the country is using AI you retard. and no, 'using AI' doesnt mean trusting whatever a chatbot says
>>62181409okay breathe ---- firstly what you are saying is completely reasonable
>>62181409some lawyers are using AI for legal research, by means of specialized LLMs like the ones offered by westlaw. AI is not replacing "an entire team of lawyers" like your mentally retard NEET ass is stating here >>62181373
>>62181420>>62181409also i just realized you're not the person i quoted here >>62181373but it doesn't matter because you're functionally identical (i.e., a mentally retarded nigger.)
>>62181373>AI can replace an entire team of lawyersand then AI hallucinates a bunch of fake citations, the opposing attorney calls them out it court, the judge rules against you and you lose the casedoing things the cheap way is the most expensive mistale you can make
>>62181420Thats the whole fucking point. Hours upon hours that would have been spent on researching case law, sorting evidence, reviewing contracts, and general administrative tasks can be significantly sped up now with AI.>>62181425I IQ mog you.You are literally some dumbass genx or elder millenial retard I can tell.
/biz/ bears were wrong on btc and is now wrong on ai
>>62181444more mentally retarded NEET gibberish that immediately reveals you've never had a job more involved than sucking your father's cock every night between the ages of 8 and 14. you don't IQ mog anything, you're a niggershit for niggerbrains bag holding retard arguing against an obvious bubble.
>>62181369bears pray every day they aren't simply wrong
>>62181457If you're so good at identifying bubbles, why didn't you get in early and time the top?
>>62181463i don't short anything, it's far too risky.
>>62181466I'm not saying to short, I'm asking why you didn't buy low and then sell high.
>>62181457>immediately begins seetheposting when called out>>62181463dont ask him that he'll have a meltdown
>>62181470i only invest in broad market ETFs.
>>62181466>literally cant even understand the simple questionthese are the brainlets you must deal with on biz
>>62181472>>62181476>dad said i give good brain that must mean i'm a IQmoggerwhat do you do for a living?
>>62181475Good. Sub 70 IQ retards cant handle even managing a 5 stock portfolio should just invest in ETFs and give me my meal at the drive thru. Don't forget to put my straw in the bag too.
AI is better than most human posts itt>ur dumb>no, ur dumblmao
>>62181479curious that the mentally retarded 20 something zoomlattoe was so quick to respond to everything but this. but maybe 1:30 PM was the clock-in time at his minimum wage service industry job.>e-everyone's using AI!!! trust me!!!!
>>62181514What are you even arguing about anymore? That you deserve the "goodest goy" award for missing out on the easiest 10 baggers of all time? If you haven't figured out how to integrate AI into any of your workflows at this point you're either a luddite or a poor thirdie than can't afford a Gemini subscription.
>>62181539for anyone who has an knowledge based job and isn't a white collar factory worker (codetranny) or a minimum wage adjacent retard (call center slave etc.), AI tools are next to useless.as an example, my big jewish employer has spent a considerable amount of money on AI tools and has made a big show of delivering multi-week AI training workshops. no one in my department uses it because it's FUCKING USELESS in real life -- unless you're something like a codetranny whose day would otherwise be spent copy and pasting boilerplate. these AI tools cannot work in an environment where everything is tribal knowledge, they cannot work in an environment where data is either not standardized or is one-off and messy, and whatever output they generate from "garbage in" is undoubtedly going to be "garbage out," compounded by AI's tendency to confidently lie and hallucinate. and this is to be expected, because LLMs are nothing more than probability weighted sentence constructors that are trained on written works and respond in terms of the written word.as such, the only hard line advocates of AI are mentally retarded manual laborers or NEET dipshits who have never worked a knowledge-based job in their life, self-hating codetrannies, pederasts who use it to generate images of child pornography (half of 4chud, i'm sure), judeo-chink types who peddle hardware or LLM software, mentally ill CEO retards who don't understand any of it but get a hard dick at the prospects of laying people off, and useful idiot bagholders who salivate at the prospect of their $5k AI-heavy investment portfolios doing a 100x rather than the most likely outcome of a -90% crash when the bubble deflates.
>>62181497ChatGPT 1.0 could make a better comment than what you wrote
**You're totally right**⸻AI is not a bubble, it's a real boom, a new age, and a change in how the world thinks. Here's why:- :rotating_light: AI is moving faster than ever⸻companies are developing models faster than we can even think- :lightning_bolt: AI is smarter than ever⸻modern models can do things even 100,000 humans cannot- :brain: Large amount of money are being invested⸻the world is depending on AI to succeedIf you want, I could explain further why AI is shaping the future generations⸻just let me know.
>>62181345To be fair, it's a really good coding helper. I've been using claude this past month to help me code and it genuinely works. It doesn't even have to be correct to be helpful, even when it's wrong, it still helps me collect my thoughts and think about the problem. It's like having a 2nd person that never gets tired or frustrated next to me to exchange ideas and give a 2nd opinion that I wouldn't think of by myself. Yes, it's wrong sometimes, but so are humans, so I don't see that as a problem. I never expected it to be perfect.>inb4 AI shillI'm using it for free by logging in with multiple emails lol, they don't have an IP check so I dont even need a VPN
>>62181773Posts like this are why I still come here.
>>62181349>they say that about every bubbleSo many retards still coping about this.There is a very simple litmus test to see if something is bullshit or not: Is China actually taking it seriously?In the case of AI, that answer is Yes.
>>62181570lmao
there is nothing sadder here than the people who missed every major chip and tech stock. they are really shitting up the board these days. its like btc all over again. you had 10 years to buy in. please fuck off from here. >AI is stupidyou are stupid. AI is only as good as the person using it.
>>62181828Same here teebeehaych. Not much of a coding autist, but i'm pretty satisfied with the starting point and getting a result that I had in mind. I don't understand the fags that doompost and cry about it. Maybe their jobs just weren't worth having it if they're threatened by it? Idk
>>62181345Digital twin technology.
>>62181400Law is one of the first professions that will be decimated by AI, buckle up little dude
>>62183164yes, just 2 more weeks.
>>62183522little do you know that complex legal work that requires case citation is maybe 1% of all legal work being done, most of it is lawyers helping regular people out by just knowing what kind of paperwork to submit to achieve a certain legal resultAnd AI is fucking brilliant at it, my friend is an attorney and he says its fucking over and he regularly uses it to do work that would have taken him hours before
>>62181373You’ve scared the lawyers lol
>>62183164Lawyers will be the first ones that will get legislation that prohibits use of AI.
I work at a scale-up (~300 employees) and my programmer bros went from extremely skeptic and dismissive of AI to using it daily and hitting their token limits well before the month is over. I won't pretend to know much about law, but I can imagine the same is happening there. The guy ITT seething about it just doesn't recognize innovation when it's staring him in the face. The first printing press probably was a cumbersome piece of shit, the first cars were barely better than horses (arguably worse, even), the first computers/calculators could be beaten with an abacus. The point is that companies are trying to capitalize on a new technology that, while still a piece of shit, is already demonstrably improving processes. It will only get better from here and many white collar jobs WILL disappear. Which ones exactly is something we'll see when the dust settles in 10-20 years and we look back at "paralegal" the same way we look at the "human calculators" from that strong black womyn nasa movie: a quaint quirk from times past.
>>62181332>As a group of analysts at SemiAnalysis recently argued, all knowledge work, including coding, is made up of four basic components: consuming information (“Read”), applying existing knowledge (“Think”), producing a structured output (“Write”), and checking that output against some standard (“Verify”). Coding might have certain qualities that make it easier for AI to perform this basic four-step process—such as more data to read and objective standards to verify an output—but that doesn’t make the field unique.>Azhar, the AI-industry analyst, told me that when he and his colleagues are planning to launch a new product, they will have their AI agents create a panel of artificial customers broadly representative of their actual customer base, conduct a focus group with these robot customers, produce a report based on what they’ve found, and then turn that report into a list of specific product improvements.It’s very hard to take this stuff seriously when the evidence presently is so transparently delusional.
>>62181345We neither know why we paid 100$ an hour for a tax consultant or a lawyer or teacher.
>>62183539>constructing legal arguments supported by case law is maybe 1% of all legal work being done in common law countries>AI excels at understanding poorly documented filing requirements that vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, typically only understood by talking to and being yelled at by clerk courts and judges in person>MY LAWYER FRIEND SAYS claude do the lawyering needfultell me more, 20 something year old mixed race retard.
If AI is so great, why is it still losing a trillion dollars a year? Nobody can answer this.
>>62183590Because it's irrelevant. For all we know AI will become efficient enough to allow 90% of AI usecases to run on an opensource local model. In that case OpenAI et all will go bankrupt, but it changes literally nothing for the average wagie because they would still risk being replaced.
Meanwhile IRL software developer jobs are picking up againIt was never about AI, it was just interest rates and a bad economy
>>62183597Okay, but that's the opposite of what's happening in the real world. The latest frontier models are getting exponentially more expensive and they're gaining new capability at a slower rate. Look at how model version numbers are in 0.1 increments now.
>>62183601>The latest frontier models are getting exponentially more expensive and they're gaining new capability at a slower rateyou can say the same for>the top performers in any sector are getting exponentially more expensive while also not necessarily being marginally better than the median workerthese are arbitrary things to say that have nothing to be discussed about without quantifiers on both sidesit is given though that tech and big money thinks it is logical to spend such a high amount as they are convinced that it will be worth it at the endat some point capex will reduce because the datacenters will mature, will not need much more money and it will be mostly maintenance costs, when these maintenance costs become lower in the future through whether cheaper energy and/or enough revenue generated through B2B and retail pricingif 3-10 employees can achieve the work quality of thousands of employees through the usage of AI it is just overgrowing sectors have high cashburns, it is part of growth/innovation/aiming for great revenue in the far future
>>62183618You're betting on the opposite of the current trend. That is retarded my dude.
>>62181332buy an ad amodei
>>62181441Well the judge and other team is also using AI so they don't understand that. This is the gambit they are relying on, everybody turning into a moron who doesn't put the work in because of muh optimization muh time spent, as if entire career paths haven't figured out how to do this stuff efficiently.
>>62181345Ive fixed multiple vehicles with chatgpt, I am AI mechanic
>>62181773Let me know when AI can improve my life.
>>62181828Same here as code monkey
>>62181332It is a bubble simply because LLM =/ AI.
>>62181349name 5 bubbles
>>62183583Lol so angry and impotent, cute!
I don't even bother defending ai anymore
>>62181345I know a radiologist who is 100% certain that he and every other radiologist is going to be out of a job within 3 years. The only reason it'll take that long is because it will take hospitals some time to implement the systems. A lot of private clincis are already feeding x-ray, CT, PET and MRI images to AI and not only is the AI a thousand times faster than a radiologist, but turns out that their diagnostics accuracy is much, much better.The same probably applies to a thousand other jobs.
>>62181332ai shills are utterly embarrassing at this point
>>62184888Everyone says radiology is the bright spot when it comes to ai taking jobs because it already came and led to more radiologist getting hired. Why is it different now?
>>62181345Coding. ChatGPT 5.5 + codex is amazing at it. Fixed all of the tech debt in our codebase over the past 2 weekends.I have been extremely apprehensive about AI, not claiming I know for sure that it will never be good enough, but being realistic about its capabilities. I am a good engineer, extremely fast with my editor and able to fix or build anything possible, so I haven't needed it and more often than not it just got in the way.I'm here to tell you that this is the threshold when it can actually start supplementing the capabilities of great engineers while causing minimal or no issues.It is NOT at the point where it can work for non engineers. It will do whatever you ask even if it's wrong and cause compounding issues still.However, it's a certainty now that every developer is going to need to use it or be left in the dust, and it's only going to get better.
>>62181373>AI can replace an entire team of lawyers and can do what used to cost $100,000+ of knowledge work for $10 in API credits
>>62181370where do you think the gold ends up...what do you think the heavy equipment uses? your gold and energy pump is literally ai
>>62181373Yeah cause lawyers are just scammersA lot of highly paid people are just scammersMost CEOs don’t actually do anything The upper echelons of the economy are all fake and gay
>>62184600Tulips. South Sea. Dotcom. 2008. Silver Thursday.
>>62181332yikesit's over
>>62183599thisLOWER THE GODDAMN RATE
>>62181332>Best case AI removes jobs which improve companies profits because tokens are cheaper than people>Tens or hundreds of millions unemployed >No jobs for these people>In Western economies where most of the GDP growth is held together by printing money, debt and importing third world slaves to do menial labor>"Well this is fine, they'll just starve to death I'm sure of it" - last words by CEO being walked to the hanging rope
>>62185797Don't worry, I'm sure we can start some kind of war to have those people expend their lives in or something. I'll call my friend bibi.
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>>62185126i am a third world retard and i approve this message
>>62185905I had not considered this but you're probably right jesus
>>62181539Chill out, anonThis board is full of professional agitprop and unprofessional 3rd worlders that are going all in on worldwide izzat pvpIts a solid 10% of the time (or less) that you're going to get honest engagement on /biz/ since about 2023./bant/ of all places has more consistent conversation and that should tell you something
>>62181332I mean ai is useful and can still be a bubble. The internet is useful but the dot com bubble still happened
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>>62181373this. Also coding highly complex apps with 0 SWE knowledge or experience is a cinch. >>62181400The practicing lawyers I know use AI. And it's only going to get better. If you think it's not insanely capable, that boils down to one thing: You don't know how to prompt.>>62181441Prompt problem, user error.
>>62187632>prompt problem, user errorGood luck getting a redo on your court arguments lmao
