So what's the endgame, exactly?If you replace everyone with AI wherever you can, you'll cut off people from getting income, and they won't be able to afford basic and luxuries in the future, thus preventing companies from making profit.Is that what they want? Is there something I'm missing?
>>62192541One of these:1. They don't believe that it will really replace most people2. They are desperate suits who think short term3. They imagine that they will keep their privileges for a thousand years somehowThe AI bubble is not built on being smart, but on being greedy.
Right size the global population to 1 billion
>>6219254110% will own everything, 90% will own nothing. Many third world shitholes operate like this. Many historical societies, too. Holodomor had people dying on the streets, and they didn't have a total surveillance grid. So why not? They can easily create a circular economy of AI making tidbits for the rich, and extend their lives. It's not that far off. A few industries will contract, automotive, education, real estate. Could also be that they keep status quo for the cattle with a few additional carrots, while the rich 10% ascend into a completely new lifestyle, with 150 years of healthy life, big yachts, giant mansions and biologically sound food, not the contaminated GMO slop we get thrown at us. But I really don't see the reason why they should. With the rise of AI, we are completely defenseless. All social contracts were based on the threat of violence. Why should they hold now that Palantir can automatically appease and isolate any potential uprising while it's just five people?
Mass die offs, unironically.You will just be seen as useless eaters and need to be got rid of.
>>62192788Does not really compute, sir.It is know that most revolutions comes from a lack of food. The biggest threat since industrial revolution was a lack of a job, it isolated people, made them feel miserable, and live off scraps.If you cut off most of a job, and of a better, safe life, you basically just call for an uprising.
>>62192565What they really don't understand: 80 years ago, there was one feasible doomsday weapon, the fusion nuke and its variants. Today there is at least a handful, most became feasible in the last 15 years. Capability for destruction grows with some power law, and prevention is a lot more difficult than causing destruction. To me it seems we are about to find out when this becomes a bit unmanageable. They think they can create a surveillance state and be done with it, but this totally ignores the possibility of random doomsday. Much of reality is not predictable, randomness of quantum events, and the sensitivity of systems blowing these to global scale.
>>62192833Invest into Palantir, Sir. I bet they are cooking some bullshit already. You are right, UBI or poverty would be unnecessarily dangerous. The sweet spot is too unbearable and depressing to procreate, too good to revolt. Next year there will be automated entrepreneurship platforms. Their full rollout would close off wealth for good. So I bet they invent some SJW BS that enables you to still get capital or at least throw a few coins together with your fellow underlings to also own a few irrelevant businesses. People congregating offline (without surveillance machines) is probably high on their list of things to make impossible.
>>62192833Also notice that even now, it's already almost impossible to interact with technology in a meaningful way without doing 100 AI and data center calls per minute. Even when I do a simple readout of an autonomous device like a lab robot, I load their data centers with my activity, AI calls to deal with the process, raw data uploads, all of that. This will soon be a lot worse.
>>62192817The funny part: A paper showing property ownership & a bit of genetic greed only go so far when you are up against self designing self replicating global rootless grids of thought and data that operate billions of biotechnological robots. You can't modify yourself out of this, biologically rooted organisms will soon devolve into being mere actuators. So you'd have to go virtual, but to compete with AI, you'd have to modify yourself so much that you essentially die, because all your essence is lost. And only if no >>62192852scenario comes along. Which is pretty much impossible. They can only lose this game, too.
This question mostly depends on the company or country that first creates agi, unironically. It's that simple and terrifying. The precedent they set will decide our future interaction with machines.
>>62192541Most people don't matter.
>>62193065The AI race is a lie, fake, made up, to keep the cattle in line. "AGI" is not a boolean property. One elite faction's AI is a bit better than the other in this, and vice versa, while the models gradually improve. But that doesn't matter. Total economic extinction of everyone happens not because AI models become ultra intelligent, but because the instances become so prevalent. Remember, last time they got a new toy they created MAD, and a sane slave had to save mankind in dozens of incidents, because our dear leaders have such damaged brains.>>62193075What is the value of Alex Karp in a fully AI managed world?
>>62192541Dumbass
>>62192833They can funnel people into the military and prison systems more easily if they reduce the number of jobs
>>62193170>What is the value of Alex Karp in a fully AI managed world?He's a genius with connections who owns Palantir. What a stupid question.
>>62192541There is no instance of capitalism anywhere in history that managed to co-exist with a free market.Capitalism has a 100% failure rate at preserving the free market, and seems to be an engine for producing oligarchies.
>>62193593Capitalism has lifted more niggas out of poverty than any other system on earth. Cope nigga
>>62193827Not what was being argued- are you some kind of ESL?
>>62193593"Free" market don't exist anyway, pure, unaltered free-market is basically anarchy.
>>62193946Yeah, pure economic systems don't actually function in the real world.Even anarchy is simply a transitive state, usually before monarchies or theocracies set in.
>>62192788ThisThere's already fucking rental PS5s Everything becomes rental, subscription based. You'll do something horrible to survive like drive Uber (until driving is outlawed by humans) or you'll bag groceries or you'll do an email job like a woman for a little while until one day you're gone. Shoo shoo old poor boomers.
>>62192833there'll be no unified uprising. AI doesn't recommend that — instead why don't you apply for this delivery job and, oh look, here's a free coupon for this place advertised by CGI influencers on Instagram. The normies will eat it up and probably be too overweight to do any real damage if they ever formed a BLM style mob. Besides, the protests are peaceful, right CNN? Yeah, see? Everything's fine.
>>62193827Best system is a thought guardrail for cattle. All the curated ideologies are century old crap, and miraculously, some flock of psychos gets into power in each, no matter whether it's capitalism, feudalism, national socialism or some form of communism, I don't care what the flavors are. It's either greedy hoarders, insane control freaks or sadists who climb to the top. But now that there are serious WMDs, not just nukes, with several being added every decade, government by mental defect is going to cause some consequences, probably this century.
>>62194036Civilization is a series of societies that start a moderate corruption and increase corruption and inequality levels until they are so brittle they collapse.Then the cycle repeats.
>>62194066It's an interesting take, but the major difference is, back then civilizations weren't interconnected, and collapses were happening in relative silence.Nowadays, can that even happens? Can you, like, imagine the US of A just dropping the ball so hard the whole government implode? What then, other countries will just not look at the firework.
The economy needs reset after many years of prosperity. AI is everywhere and the progress seems to be slowing.
>>62194111Yes, I can easily imagine this.Though, collapses usually take a while, like how the snake's tail won't realize the brain died for several minutes, but bigger.
Money isn't real. Human's will find a way
>>62192541they dont care, zuck and bezos and other billionaires will keep spending a truckload of money on luxuries to keep the market up.Bottom 99% will be poor and homeless and the rich will buy their 200th mega yacht and 500th LV bag.
>>62192541Same end game as always - consolidate as much wealth and power as possible
>>62194321It will actually be pretty crazy to see the stuff the mega-rich get up to once they have complete control of government and the economy. I'm guessing they'll get into space-based pissing contests the way they do with yachts now. Like each trillionaire will have their own space station and/or moonbase, the bigger the better.
Read the shit Sam Altman saysTranshumanist jews are going to kill yu and build a new immortal paradise for themselves on mars or in montana.Killing goyim like you is the goal.
>>62192565>3. They imagine that they will keep their privileges for a thousand years somehowthey believe they will either have immortal clone bodies or immortal AI minds in the computer with an army of drones and pajeets protecting them.
>>62192541"The economy" (capitalism) is about allocating scarce resources in the most efficient way possible. If an AI does that, and better than humans are doing, then you shouldn't really worry or complain.Yes, the people who control the AI will benefit the most. But they're the ones making it happen, that's the reward. If you want to be rewarded, then try helping out by buying some AI-enabling stock.
>>62195509>Please, please bail out our failing AI companies
They don't give a shit and some of them openly say they will kill you
>>62195509How do I keep my property rights in a world with superhuman AI?
>>62195615If they're going to fail, then you have nothing to worry or complain about. You see the consistency?
>>62195676Why are AIfags always unable to understand things like waste, or opportunity cost?Is it really that bad for your critical thinking?
3 scenarios:AI takes control, Earth is deconstructed into computronium and solar panels for the Dyson sphere1 guy controls everything, keeps some number of other people around for entertainment, everyone else is dead because they consume valuable resourcesSuperintelligence isn't possible (for physical or computational reasons), and it takes a long time to get AI to the efficiency and capability of a human brain, outcome depends on how access and control of AI is distributed, most likely a permanent underclass emerges that exist as biological automatons doing work AI is incapable of or too expensive for
>>62192541Today 50% of household spending are made by the richest 10% in the US and the stock market is at ATH.Companies will just keep focusing on those 10% that are richer than ever to make money.
>>62192541>So what's the endgametechnology is trying to overthrow and kill us. ai isn't pushed by people, it is pushed by the global technological system. the point is for the system to overthrow us. it's just Hegel's master-slave dialectics. normies like you are incapable of understanding this, sadly.
>>62192817Every country is arming themselves to prepare WW3 and get rid of useless eaters once AI+robots can replace most humans.
>>62192541The endgame is for the everybody to buy the top.
>>62195725>to get AI to the efficiency and capability of a human brainIt's already beyond that "in some" economic tasks. I could say the truth, "in most", but then shills would try to derail, so I say "in some".
>>62195725>1 guy controls everythingYou can not resemble something human and control a solar system sized thinking mold. Control is lost somewhere between 2015 and 2040. But it will only become visible later.
deflationary death spiral.You cant solve demand issues on the production side. A bot has no demand for a mansion, no demand for a car, no demand for food, no demand for any product or service; and as the bot has no demand and the human that had demand got rationalized away , there is now no demand for the bot to replace the human.game over
>>62194185yes, natural state. Last year, more precisely in November, the rationality of cooperation with the boomer ponziconomy and its representatives in the political parties became irrational. Defection is the only rational move left, and defection means factually re-introduction of competition about the monopoly of violence.The only option for continuation of power would be tho throw the boomerX and that would mean as well pension funds, banks, the real estate ponzi... under the bus, and in the current political environment that is political suicide, so the end game is going to be the young killing the old and its systems, which includes loyalists
>>62192788>why contain it?
>>62192541You don't need profit. If robots create wealth, you just take that wealth directly. The poor will probably be quarantined like in Brazil, and eventually a less compassionate generation of elites will just exterminate them outright.
>>62192788This is such a retarded commutard "argument".A human that got rationalized away has no demand anymore, which leads to the bot becoming less in demand.Why do you think retard scammers like Musk are trying to sell "UBI" and "reproduction" — they are well aware that their business models and their virtual wealth is about to be eaten by natural deflation and anarchy, which might very well leave them hanging from nooses, at the very least destroys the social order their status depends on
>>62195683What do you care? It's not your capital. In fact you should *want* them to waste their capital, right? The "AIfags" are weakening themselves. Why are you acting like things aren't going according to your plan?
>>62199215You luddites are not better than the transhumanist believers. You both don't understand that your bets all dependent on a social order and ponzi schemes that were build on the false assumption of exponential growth of active suckers out numbering inactive suckers.As long as the boomer bulge wasn't literally cut off and the reproduction rate remains under 8 per GenA uterus, the game is over
>>62192541it makes workers more efficient. the same thing happened with computers.
>>62199302You cant solve demand issues on the production side
>>62199239Dude you argue like a schizo bot. Is this all a performance to show off how retarded LLMs can behave? If AI is going to fail, then it isn't a threat. If it's going to take over the world, then invest in it. How is that simple logic beyond you?
>>62192541>AI gets good enough to replace humans, manage and run the supply chain, operate humanoid robotics>Trigger a mass culling event>Keep human population numbers to some religious fanatical number, lets say 200,000 population count>enter the "golden new era of humanity"
>>62199344First of all "AI" doesn't exist; there exists a various amount of generative applications, second the demand for those applications depends on the demand for the goods and services they are supposed to produce. If these applications reduce the demand for human workforce those humans that got rationalized away have less demand for the products and services the bots are supposed to produce as they now lack the purchasing power and therefore the demand for the bot producing reduces as well.This isn't even accounting for the general natural deflation of human population with reproduction rate far under replacement level and in addition an overhang of inactive geriatrics. A 65 year old has no demand for a 30 year loan for anything
>>62199306if i want a terrible take from you ill ask dont worry
>>62199364Is a fact, you cant solve demand issues on the production side. Its simply not possible. A human code monkey, a human lawyer, a human advertiser, a human artist that got rationalized away by a bot has no demand and not the cashflow and purchasing power for demand respective qualifies for a loan.The game is over
>>62199361Okay? So you're the one now arguing the same luddite position that was supposedly going to prevent machine labor or computers from transforming workplaces?The productive people are just going to be more productive. My demand for what is produced will be filled by more options. My relative wealth increases. Anyone who can't hack it competes for the scraps, as was the case in any other industrial revolution.
>>62199378You really dont get it. If I needed a team of 15 code monkeys now I only need one code monkey that overlooks a bunch of code agents; the other 14 monkeys are not needed anymore. Personally I welcome that, because for the past 40 years code monkeys, typewriter monkeys, marketing monkeys were already not needed and merely alibi staff to scam BoomerX investors into providing more risk capital because those monkeys were easily scammed into the fake line of>we need more staff, to increase output per worker, so you need to provide more risk capitalAnyway those 14 monkeys now cant afford an LA flat anymore, neither do they qualify for a 30 year loanAnd you are doing the typical commutard thinking mistake, you assume YOU are going to not be the one rationalized away, respective shot. The probability of you being rationalized away is equal to other monkeys, you are not a player character. And again, that is not even taking into account the natural deflation of demand for products and services due to demographic inverted pyramids and the impossibility of keeping the credit demand
>>62199401>commutardyou're definitely a buzzword spouting bot
>>62199423Well its the typical commutard thinking mistake.All the retards that screech for more centralization and state power and literally want to resurrect Stalin and assume they are going to be the Polit commisar and no the first useful idiots put against the wall because they already showed to be disloyal disruptive kulaks
>>62199434Yeah I'm sure that's the mindset of the dude telling you to invest in new tech
>>62199443And why should I invest into "new" tech, a marketing term from the fucking 90s for a business model that never managed to produce a positive cashflow in nearly 40 years, when credit demand and general demand is deterministically going naturally line down?Software was never a growth motor, it was always a scam
>>62192788Basically. The rich already fund entire industries. Private jets, art market, horses, luxury watches, bespoke cars etc. it'll be like that for everything.The poor will be sterilized and then encouraged to euthanize at every opportunity.
>>62199598>the richRetarded commutard. Banks, credit lines and credit demand does.
>>62199302>it makes workers more efficient.Even CEOs are saying it doesn't offer any productivity increase.
>>62192833Yeah for all the 14 yo’s here, until they come up with AI military bots stronger than human armies, there will be revolutions once things get bad enough. People won’t just stop functioning and die helplessly in the streets, that’s too simple thinking. All kinds of unpredictable-to-the-human-mind shit will start happening once people’s real animalistic survival instinct kicks in.
