All men who were circumcised as babies deserve at least 10 million USA dollars.They were innocent babies and were horribly, permanently and irreversibly mutilated for their entire one life on earth before it even began.There is NO way to FULLY or even MOSTLY recover their lost foreskins and all of it's structures. Stretching does not nearly even come close to restoring it to it's original form.>Why at least 10 million usa dollars?Because there was a case of a adult man who merely had some mean words, drawings and jokes said to him at work. Nothing criminally illegal like death threats, leaking his social security number etc. He later quit his job at Tesla he wasn't fired. He was offered 15 million 2022 dollars for his hurt feelings by a usa judge https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-racism-lawsuit-worker-rejects-15-million-payout-rcna34655He was literally offered 15 million dollars that the government would take from Tesla and hand directly to him. He rejected it because he wanted more then 15 million 2022 dollars but the point stands the government is willing to say mean words and hurt feelings are worth at least 15 million 2022 dollars.Being circumcised as a baby is AT LEAST ten times worse so a mere ten million dollars per mutilated at birth man is already a deep deep compromise.
>>62230645CASE #2https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/07/20/mcdonalds-lawsuit-hot-chicken-nugget/70436203007/A random family is in a car. These are not employees they're just random customers.They go to McDonalds drive throughMom buys nuggetsGives nuggets (corpses of tortured and mutilated animals that were factory farmed) to her little kidKid drops nugget on thigh and it sits on her thigh for a few minutes or so while mother is distracted.It leaves a slight burn on thighBurn heals completely leaving a small barely noticable and not painful scar on thighGirl gets 800,000 dollars.Circumcising a baby is at least 13 times worse easily.It's obviously way way worse than 13 times but whatever let's be extremely conservativeThat's just over 10 million usa dollarsYou deserve this.ROUTINE CIRCUMCISION OF BABY BOYS IS BATTERY!! It is non consensual touching which is medically unnecessary. This is actually legally correct at least in usa as intactivist lawyers have arguedGUESS What? A battery can be worth 5 million dollars or moreCircumcision is doing severe permanent irreversible physical damage to an innocent baby boy . Possible severe mental damage tooA hedge fund executive punched a parking attendant once during a dispute over a car.
>>62230647The Injuries: A broken cheekbone and a concussion. The victim recovered physically within months, but sued for emotional distress and battery.The Verdict: The jury awarded $1.2 million for medical bills and pain, but added $7 million in punitive damages specifically because of the defendant’s wealth and the "predatory" nature of the assault.This is the classic "regular guy" example often cited in legal circles.The Incident: A man was punched once by a security guard at a Las Vegas nightclub.The Injuries: A broken jaw and a concussion. No permanent disability, but the victim required surgery (his jaw was wired shut for weeks).The Result: A jury awarded him $4.75 million.$5 Million (Carroll v. Trump)While there was a later $83 million verdict for defamation, the original 2023 verdict for the battery itself was $5 million.The Incident: A single encounter in a department store dressing room.The Injuries: No "super severe" physical injuries (like broken bones or hospitalization), but the jury focused on the psychological trauma.The Result: The $5 million award was for the act of battery and the associated pain and suffering.If Carroll can get 5 million then so should men circumcised as boysNot everyone would instantly become a multimillionaire No circumcision reparations for womenTens of millions of men would be given millions of dollars printed into existence. Yes it would cause inflation. That's okay. BRING THE DIGITAL CURRENCY OR TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR USA BILLS AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS USA BILLS NOW100 USA DOLLAR BILL WON'T EVEN BUY YOU A SODA AND THAT IS OKAYIf bread costs 10,000 dollars a loaf that's fine. It's the uncircumcised who didn't get reparations who won't be able to afford bread at first. They can work for a circumcised person who got reparations for 15,000 dollars an hour or somethinghttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWVz_DcSeZc
>>62230645Consider yourself lucky your dick doesnt stink. Its like having a vagina as a man. And thats coming from someone uncut.
>>62230660He wasn't even arrested. He wasn't even handcuffed. If he can get millions of dollars why can't I?And just who will fund this? The government's infinite money printers.Taddio, A., et al. (1997). "Effect of neonatal circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination." The Lancet, 349(9052), 599-603That is Neurological Imprinting. This study followed infants for months after their circumcision. It found that boys who were circumcised especially those without anesthesia, which was common at the time, showed a significantly stronger pain response higher heart rates, more intense crying during routine vaccinations months later compared to intact boys.I provided a peer reviewed evidence that the infant brain is rewired or sensitized by the trauma of circumcision thus refuting the myth that newborns don't feel pain or won't remember itFrisch, M., et al. (2013). "Cultural Bias in the AAP’s 2012 Technical Report and Policy Statement on Male Circumcision." Pediatrics, 131(4), 796-800.peer-reviewed high-impact critique signed by 38 high-ranking physicians and health officials from 16 European countries. It was written specifically to dismantle the American Academy of Pediatrics claim that the benefits of routine baby boy cutting outweigh the risksIt argues that the alleged benefits (reduced UTI, HIV and cancer) are statistically marginal in developed Western nations. For example, it points out that you would need to circumcise between 909 and 322,000 infants to prevent a single case of pp cancer a disease that is already rare and can be prevented by hygiene and HPV vaccinationIt argues that because the medical benefits are not compelling the procedure violates the child's right to bodily integrity and should be deferred until the individual can provide informed consent
>>62230666I almost always shower at least twice a day pretty much always after i poop There’s studies showing infection rates between cut and non cut are basically the same
>>62230666>dick id>666its completely over, the jew gods have spoken through me
>>62230679You’re cursed and wrong Thats what that proves I am vindicated by your trips and Id
>>62230645My grandparents were Irish and I expect reparations from the UK
at the very least the practice should be rendered illegal.
>>62230645I agree with you fren. I’m intact myself but it always blows my mind what they do to so many boys. I think if they’d done it to me I’d be finding th doc who did it and getting reparations one way or another. Ignore the faggot who says his dick stinks, it’s total bullshit my penis has never smelled remotely bad even if I go a week without a shower. His whole body probably stinks maybe he should go and get his armpits, ballsack and asscheeks cut off while he’s at it.
>>62230645I was circumcised, if you want to give me a free 10 million for not having a cheese dick , I'll take it gladly
>>62230751>>62230751That’s not really how morality works . If that’s a attempt at reductio ad absurdum it’s not a good one >>62230784Yes but possibly part of the reason it’s not being banned like fgm is, is because banning it and legally declaring it’s rape or grievous bodily injury is because it opens the door to moral or legal justifications for reparations >>62230799Yeah the problem is no one cares about men and it’s going to take years for the pendulum to start swinging in the other direction REPARATIONS OR RETRIBUTION >>62230813>stockholm syndrome 15 million dollars for each man cut as baby100 million cut men100 million × $5 million = $500 trillionUS GDP is roughly $28 trillionThat's about 15 times the entire US economyso a 3 dollar loaf of bread would become 45 dollars or so.100 USA DOLLAR BILL will barely EVEN BUY YOU A SODA AND THAT IS OKAYIf bread costs 100 dollars a loaf that's fine. It's the uncircumcised who didn't get reparations who won't be able to afford bread at first. They can work for a circumcised person who got reparations for 400 dollars an hour or something
>>62230813I never believe these posts. You’re happy that some Jewish doctor risked your life to cut off half your dick when you were a baby and now you’ll never know what it’s like to have a fully functional penis? Literally can’t be real
>>62230888>That’s not really how morality worksYes it is. Pay up sweaty
>>62230895Actually yes. All European men are faggots who suck dicks and fuck men in the ass. They are all faggots precisely because they are riddled with lust bc they were not circumcised. ALL European men have had a penis enter their mouths. They are all fags.
>>62230944Nice b8 m8>>62230935No because your view of who deserves reparations leads to absurdities and mine doesn’t . Believing men cut as infants don’t deserve reparations leads to more absurdities
>>62230962It’s not bait. 100% of European men have tasted a penis. This is a fact
>>62230645get yo money OP
>>62230997Thank you
>>62230645i agree. if you were circumcised unknowingly as a baby without your consent then that means that an adult human being performed genital mutilation on you in the most arduous and cruel manner, and worst of all: it was all sanctioned by the government and state and the bloody, unnecessary, and barbaric mutilation ritual was performed inside an official tax money funded institution. that's abuse of the highest order. 10 million seem barely appropriate for such a life damaging and insanely cruel procedure.
>>62230962I'm not talking about your child mutilation rabbi
>>62230645For the record I don’t feel damaged or mutilated at all. My dick looks good, feels great, and works great.I’ll still take the $10 million though.
>>62231028Correct
There are highly cost-effective interventions that could prevent one circumcision per dollar or more in expectation.If we assume this reduces sexual pleasure by 20%( Most estimates seem to range between 10% and 90%, (Do note sexual sensation/pleasure is different than sexual satisfaction, effects on sexual satisfaction seem to be much smaller (although there is also very similar life satisfaction after couple years between new lottery winners and newly acquired paraplegics—cf. narrative life satisfaction vs. direct hedonic wellbeing) and it is notable that there is significant methodological difficulty in objectively measuring differences in pleasure, resulting in significant uncertainty here—although there is high information value in investigating further) and that sexual pleasure accounts for 5% of life happiness (I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that a male with no sexual pleasure has lost at least 5% of his overall happiness on average; of course some males value much higher and some much lower) for average males we could get a rough Fermi estimate of 5% x 20% = 1% reduction in life satisfaction, and if we very, very crudely say that this is similar to losing 1% of 5O years of QALYs, this would be losing .5 QALYs per circumcision, and preventing one circumcision for one dollar would be 2$ per QALY.I think malaria nets - Givewell’s perennial top charity ( https://www.givewell.org/international/technical/programs/insecticide-treated-nets ) - are estimated to be about $50 per QALY, so even estimates that were extremely more conservative, like if an intact foreskin only accounts for 5% of sexual pleasure (Despite being 1/3 to 1/2 the skin of the penis, being probably most of the nerve endings and almost all of the fine-touch nerve endings of the penis, in addition to providing several significant sexual functions important for both male pleasure and female comfort and vastly increased masturbatory pleasure)
>>62231078and sexual pleasure only accounts for 2% of overall life satisfaction, it would still be equally effective as bed nets.More importantly in my opinion, I think most of the harm of circumcision comes from extremely severe PTSD and trauma suffered in rare cases, as evidenced in the Reddit “circumcision grief” ( https://www.reddit.com/r/CircumcisionGrief/ ) a few studies, and numerous anecdotal accounts I could give. I think some lives are made negative at a ratio of 10:1 to 1,000:1 negative to positive experiences. I would personally say I am in the 10:1 to 100:1 category, despite having healed my PTSD after about three years of it, most men don’t. I suspect it is extremely unlikely my life will ever become positive without life extension/other trans-humanist technology.I think it is not unreasonable to estimate that 1 in 10,000 men have their lives made net negative at a 10:1 negative to positive ratio (and/or equivalently, made 1:1 negative to positive ratio for 1 in 1,000 men, or 10% worse for 1 in 100 men.) In fact, I think this is conservative based on what I’ve seen; remember this is an experience of genital mutilation as perceived and experienced from the perspective of these men, I don’t think we would question this in the case of female or intersex genital mutilation, and the extraordinarily severe lifelong PTSD that can result. In fact, my understanding is that infant death, loss of the entire penis, and very severe complications leading to permanent extremely limited sexual capability due to circumcision are, combined, far more common than 1/10,000.
>>62231085That would mean that there is very, very roughly the equivalent of about 50 QALYs (~average American lifespan) lost per 1000 circumcisions, or about 1 QALY per 20 circumcisions. I think the extreme suffering here should count for significantly more, as I think a prioritarian, ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prioritarianism#:~:text=Prioritarianism%20is%20one%20interpretation%20of%20distributive%20justice%20and%20is%20often%20pitted%20against%20egalitarianism. ) suffering-biased ethic is probably correct (extreme suffering should be weighed more heavily than average happiness.) And I think the real numbers are possibly much worse than what I stated, perhaps by a factor of 10 or more. But even on this conservative estimate, at one dollar per circumcision prevented, this would be very roughly $20 per QALY, which is again surpisingly good.Section 2 I think there may be some hits-based leveraged bets that could be 10X to 100X more effective in expectation;For example, funding scalable trauma treatment (I was working on this and was quite close to finishing a book, and then next was plainning to create a scalable healing program, but burned out and had to quit, partially due to disability and severe funding constraints.) Currently quality circumcision trauma healing is extremely hard to find, so this would be a huge boon, and since I’ve already completed most of the work this can be completed relatively cheaply.I think $10,000,000 could double the chances of foreskin regeneration happening soon, or perhaps bring it forward by 10 or 20 years in expectation, and I know people who are actively seeking funding to make this happen. Once the procedure is available this can be self-funding - an estimate based on Aella's research https://www.hegemonmedia.com/p/survey-data-shows-the-foreskin-regeneration gives a
>>62231095$200+ billion market for foreskin regeneration, another indication of value - and as a cultural phenomenon this could lead to much lower circumcision rates or even speed the banning of it in developed countries.I know some native activists in sub-Saharan Africa ( My understanding is that circumcision is not at all cost-effective for fighting AIDS compared to other interventions, even if the studies were accurate, but there are some very severe flaws in the studies and more recent research contradicting that there is any positive effect—although strong caveat that I haven’t looked into this deeply. ) who are fundable for a very, very, very small fraction of what US work costs, making this potentially extremely cost-effective, and it is unfortunately highly under-funded. One obstacle here is that we would need some infrastructure set up to make these activists more fundable and effective.So, all things considered, I think if we are serious about improving the world, we should not dismiss this out-of-hand and at least do a deeper dive into this to confirm how cost-effective it in fact is. All of these are quite rough estimates, hence why I tried to be conservative, deeper research would be needed to confirm.*Note I did not count flow-through effects here for most of this, and I think flow-through effects could be quite significant.AlsoCheck out the health equity campaign (HEC) https://intaction.org/intactpac/ put on by Intaction. They’ve prevented circumcision from being added to Medicaid in some states, which is known to significantly reduce rates, so for probably something small, I would guess less than $100,000, I would say in expectation they’ve prevented something like 5,000 circumcisions per year as long as these policies stay in place, which could be for several years or even decades, which could mean as low as $1-$2 per unnecessary circumcision prevented.
>>62231042jerk off without lube. thats what I thought.
>>62231101Much more importantly, Intaction is now lobbying at the capital, and this is the first time this has happened in US history. It will be much harder to have an impact, but the impact could be much higher if it at all adds momentum to broad public debate on the topic and ultimately to the (at least nonreligious) practice being banned completely in the United States, which could have a serious ripple effect throughout the world considering a lot of nonreligious circumcision that exists in other countries has been due to US cultural and pseudo-medical influence ( I think it’s very clear that circumcision has far more medical harms than benefits if you look at the data, and agree that in the US the practice is best conceptualized as genital mutilation intended to prevent sexual pleasure and punish masturbation, which is where its roots in the the Victorian age in the US and UK originated, with attempts only coming much later to justify it medically. )I would also check out Eric Clopper and his lawsuit in Oregon with his organization Intact Global https://www.intactglobal.org/ . Establishing the unfathomably severe harm of the practice with a win in the courts seems quite plausible, especially in Oregon where rates are very low, and there’s no question the practice violates equal protection. This could help lead the way to a state ban, which again could be crucial for momentum toward more state bans and eventually a national conversation and potential ban
Bimp
>>62231102I never use lube and haven’t for decades. You know what I’ve also never done? Placed another man’s erected penis in my mouth, something that no European man can say in truth.
>>62231188ouch
Look at Eric Clopper's work and his new organization Intact Global. They are suing state governments on the grounds that anti-FGM laws discriminate on sex because they do not protect males. The preliminary hearing for their first case, Hadachek v Oregon happened very recently and the Judge is allowing the case to go through.If the state tries to argue anatomical differences are enough to justify circumcision, Eric has an incredible defense as currently no medical board in the world recommends routine circumcision and many medical professionals are becoming more familiar with how harmful the practice is.
>>62230677INDIAN DETECTEDGOOD MORNING SAR
there's not enough money in the world
>>62231425Yes im very familiar with this It’s good for preventing new circumcisions from happening but im not sure it will help with reparations for those already cut
>>62231539Print it into existence. Same way they do for endless wars in the Middle East for Israel
>>62231585I want more than money for reparations
>>62231605I know but it should be realistic tooI think many doctors are guilty of rape for practicing infant circumcision especially certain cartoonishly evil forms of it like baby pp sucking
Wait what is so bad about circumcision again? It's one small piece of skin...
>>62231631I don’t believe you’re asking that in good faith
>>62230666Satan speaks.Circumcision started because men started having major dick infection from never washing their dick.>>62231631The modern version cuts off more skin then the original one.Now it leads to health issues and deformations since they cut off the entire skin.
>>62230645You don't want to be uncircumsised. Masturbation feels so good that it's a legitimate addiction.
>>62231712All the more reason I must either become a multimillionaire or play Minecraft PvP with the evil players on the server
>>62231636Nah I'm actually ignorant to the convo on this. Haven't had any kids yet but planning on it. Just read up some on it. I don't know that I buy that getting it done creates any issues but it seems pointless to get it done these days and just one of those things everyone in the US does because that's what they've always done.
>>62231768>>62231768It seems to do mental damage and it also reduces pleasure from sex and masturbation, foreskin acts as natural lubricant and also helps prevent the pp head from being keratinized / dried out so it’s like if a cut pp constantly has coconut oil applied to it without needing anything applied. Theres a bunch of other smallish benefits that add up
>>62230645after becoming sexually active my foreskin has stretched too much and now i need circumcision, otherwise i get yeast infection
>>62231787Damn. Thanks mom and dad. The boomers in the US had it done to us no questions asked. I think in the US the mental part might actually be the other way. A kid might catch some locker room teasing and/or girls gossiping about him if he's uncut. But they're prob whores so who cares
Here's the shit I'm talking about in the US: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomenNoCensor/comments/1bnt2gi/how_common_is_it_that_women_make_fun_of_or_talk/This would be my one reservation for a future son. I know it's plebbit but still.
>>62231831American women are mean so what? First of all if shes a virgin his dick is the first she will see Second of all he can get a woman from overseas who is from a majority uncut country
>>62231804the cutting you are talking about is probably less invasive and removes less structures then routine infant circumcision Also look into alternatives to surgery like steroids and whatnot
>>62230895My penis is fully functional, and foreskin is not "half of your dick" either. If all I'm missing is extra addiction to pussy and sex "feels" plus dick cheese, then I'm glad I got circumcised indeed, wouldn't want sex and women to have any more control over my life than they already do.
>>62231994That’s just coping. Someone could use the same argument to justify removing children’s tastebuds They’ll still have their tongue and be able to speak properly but they’ll just no longer need to scrape their tongue for 10 seconds once or twice a day in order to remove any plaque on it. Plus they will have no ability to or a reduced ability to taste food which will reduce obesity and result in more healthy but bad tasting foods being eaten more often.Tell me the symmetry breaker in my analogy or be honest and bite the Bullet and concede that this type of procedure done to babies would also be justified
Bim
Americans are a strange, weird breed indeed.
>>62232027You are gay. If removing taste buds made you less likely to put cocks in your mouth, I would be all for it. You. Are. Gay.
>>62232353I know I am technically American because I was born here but I hate it here
>>62232399You have to go back
>>62232413troll
