I just graduated college with a degree in cs, the job market right now is shit and full of ai trannies and h1bs. I'd appreciate some advice/stories from anons who've made it.
Making it is dying
>>62248092>cs>2026Sorry m8. Hope you at least don’t have student loans
>>62248101nah i don't have much loans, if I worked a wagie job a year straight, I could get them paid off.
>>62248092Started a sarms empire out of college in 2010Put the money into Bitcoin Comfy
Should have picked a trade. Scaled a flooring business to $1m revenue a year.Anything besides trades after HS seems insane desu
>>62248138truth nuke, work construction after HS for like 5 years and start your own construction business after having lived at home and saved up 300k.No debt from scam college and didnt waste 4 fucking years doing fuck all. God damn i got jewed by my parents to go to college fuck my life this stupid degree doesnt even do anything
>>62248115Trainwrecks?
>>62248138what would you recommend i do now anon? there's gotta be something i can pivot into
>>62248092>continued CS schooling for a degree, not even the strategy of loading up on credentials after seeing chatGPT come outwhat did you honestly think was going to happen?
>>62248164>what did you honestly think was going to happen?He's in his early 20s. Cut him some slack.
>>62248092I’m 35 and feel like I’ve made it. I graduated in 2013 with an ME degree. Honestly I think the best thing you can do for your career is move to either NYC or Bay Area, CA. Your network really is everything and being where the action is makes all the difference. If I hadn’t moved to SF right out of college I would not be nearly as successful as I am now
Also straight up, be ready to grind in your 20s. My first job only paid 40k at a startup where I interned for 6 months before they brought me on full time (40k was the full time position). My next job was another startup where I worked 7-7 6 days a week for the first 1.5 years. It sucked but it was worth it. Worth 8 figs now and just quit my job to be a stay at home dad for a while
>>62248169I am 20 and I saw the writing on the wall since I was in high school he has no excuse.
>>62248176so people coping about "x area is so expensive" its because the area they are from is cheap so its like living in Bulgaria right?
>>62248212I am not saying he shouldn't of went into CS I am saying if you graduated into this job market and are suprised/didn't come up with a backup plan while seeing AI develop between 2023 and now you are rather dense
>>62248212>I'm slightly more prescient than my contemporaries but they also have no excuse for their otherwise normal apprehension levelsI do believe that you're 20 with a try hard self-congratulatory post like this.
>got degree>got decent job at small company>corpo bought small company, got nice options>options did well, but got salty about not getting raises>learned to invest and be tax efficient>learned to be frugal to grow investment capital>learned on the job how systems code and real software works>discovered BTC>evaluated it rationally and decided it was worth a chunk>got laid off from corpo with nice payout>tinkered with startups and branching out in tech skills and networking>weathered pumps and drawdowns of BTC>woke up one day with scary hockey-sticking spreadsheet>diversified a bit>made it>kinda boring
>>62248092I was a geologist working for a major mining company. I got to talking to the janitor and found out she made more than me because contractor working with hazardous waste.so she wanted to sell and I agreed to buy her biz for one year's gross. I paid her off in a year by working for free. Then I dumped her cheap clients and bid aggressively on large corporate and government contracts, primarily environmental stuff. I made my first million within a year of paying the business off.my only advice is if you seen an opportunity outside your degree you might go for it. Owning a business pays more than any wagie job around if you're any good at it. There's carpet cleaning guys making more than brain surgeons out there. Window washers making more than corporate lawyers. Don't limit yourself based on what you studied, college is just a jumping off point.
>>62248092Using family connection to lock shit in and pull up the ladder so you people can't follow.
>>62248287one of the smartest posts here in a long time
I studied CS when it was an unpopular degree in the early 2000s.Today you should be looking for a field that nobody wants to go into but has a good chance of being essential in the future.
>>62248304thanksafter I made some money I went back to school and finished a postgrad in geology because I love geology, but the degree is basically useless in my field of work. But then if a person does well enough at work they can go do the stuff they enjoy for fun.
>>62248092I graduated college (twice) and immediately got a job paying 6 figures. I splurged on some things but lived mostly frugally, worked 50-60 hour weeks a lot, and invested most of my disposable income into btc/eth and mega cap tech stocks. I was able to pay off my massive student loans in 2 years, reached $1 million net worth in 6 years, and eventually quit working by year 10 post-college. 90% of what I do now is chill with my gf, hit the gym almost daily, play chess, and trade options for fun.
>>62248092I shorted ICP
>>62248092>the job market right now is shit Ha, you kids have no idea how easy it is now. You go to college, all paid for and given loans for, and then expect to walk into a nice salaried 9-5 with health insurance and everything handed to you.Back when I was in my 20s I was delivering eggs and pumping gas to pay for my college, while I was studying my ass off. It wasn't easy but I got my grades and got that engineering job I needed. Back then we didn't have Chat GPT and Google to do everything for us it was just our own brains, you don't even need brains now!I knuckled down and worked hard. Every day I was working. And I LISTENED to the people who were older than me. The people with experience and wisdom to lead me in the right direction and away from traps like debt and stock-market-mania.I stayed away from debts. Bought a house at 26 and paid of my mortgage as fast as I could. You never know what is going to happen with most things but your house is always your house and they aren't building any more land.When the housing market collapsed I was perfectly positioned to buy up some extra properties as my retirement fund. Renting them out was a nice top off in my bank balance and now they are worth millions. People will always need houses but they wont always need Bitcoin and iPhones. I have watched brands come and go and fads come and go but do you know what never came and went? Houses.
>>62248115any legal battles? also im making it today iirc from this contract i signed so all good i can comment here 9 figure net worth incoming!
>>62248474important lesson in there, no matter how much you have own real estate barely any downside vol
>>62248092I’m a doctor. We live in an incredibly self-centered culture. I became a doctor because of the money + status + job prospects because i was a product of the western culture (i was on 4chan since i was 15). But the moment i started working as a doctor and heard the first genuine ”thank you” from a patient, i realised how good helping others feels. At the same moment i became dumbfounded how little anybody talks about this in our culture and how it’s just me me me. So i consider myself having made it now, helping other people. I mean i could just work hard for 10 years in the private sector and retire, but i work at the public sector. Of course i take long vacations every now and then to enjoy freedom, and i enjoy the company of beautiful women on my off-time. But ultimately helping others feels better than freedom.
>>62248161zommies missed bitcoin. But there is still Bitcoin's update. Whatever. They have two years to accumulate from now. Instead of whine. >whine whine i missed bitcoin when it was $250Well you can have it's update now for $392. But i guess for the zoomie weak mind, it's "not the same thing". When in fact it actually is. The only good thing about zoomies, is that they have understood, on a deep level, that they are fucked. So they are realistic. Other than that, they are trash. They do not have the work ethic, long hours capacity, of boomers. Nor the networking capacity of X, nor the willpower, and faith in the future, sometime delusional, of Y.
>>62248408So there was a way to make if with ICP...
>>62248092Anon just make it simple Buy when the fear and greed is red, sell when is green.Don't buy when is neutral
>>62248092I started working in hog barns when I was 12. I invested in Apple, then bitcoin, and then the chip stocks. I retired when I was 27.
>>62248635Blessed, based, YGMI
>>62248092make some saas product using AI and employ yourself. use AI to fill in the parts you don't don't know how to do for the business. Don't bother trying to get a junior position.
>>62248635Seems like only 4channers can see how egotistical everyone else has become
>>62250423thanks anon, any recommendations for a saas niche
Haven't made it, but fellow cstard who had half a mil in 2024 I made from like 15k, now my NW is like 80k. I'm eastern euro and I'm quite satisfied with my career choice so far. I graduated 5 years ago so I already have the experience to call myself senior, I currently have a comfy wfh job I found after blowing up on crypto (left my job and then went neet for a few months when I was "rich"). I do fuck all and the last work I did was commenting out 10 lines of code on friday. Not the best salary right now, but I get basically double my country's median for mostly doomscrolling, playing vidya and going for walks. As for the job market I am getting bombarded with offers rn, idk how many legit and I'm applying for a another job where I could earn 1/3 more but would have to do some actual work
>>62250589If I had one I wouldn't be giving it to you :^)Talk to local business people, try to find out some common problems they have that could be solved by software. It requires market research. You could also work some wagie job to do the analysis that way, if you're autistic.
>>62248474How would I even get started with real estate, I live in a flyover state, but I'm broke right now desu
>>62248287thanks for the advice anon, any advice for getting into gov contracts?
>>62248092Thread summary: work hard and don't be afraid to step outside your field or the area you are qualified in.
>>62251446>any advice for getting into gov contracts?the feds offer free classes at any community college on how to set up your biz and find gov contracts. It's usually an 8 hour course, the process is pretty easy.if you want to see what kind of stuff is out there just go on SAM.gov and search contracts in your area. You don't need to register or sign in to view current and past contracts.For advice I'd recommend doing some commercial work first so you get an idea about pricing, costs, and also so you have some past performance reviews to show the government you know how to do the work.
>>62251446Searching on SAM for contracts is straightforward.The more keywords you use the narrower the search. I might start with "Colorado" to find jobs in my state. Then maybe "Colorado construction." Or "Colorado asbestos." or whatever narrow parameters I'm interested in. I think you can also set filters for small business contracts or whatever.
>>62248092I'm anti making it.Every time I try, I fail.
>>62248635Lol. Only losers choose to doctors. kek. >t. neet with doctor salaryMUH Dick
>>62248092If it's something that interests you, you could do really well in Engineering/Electrical.Most Engineering firms subcontract to dozens of Manufacturing and Industrial companies and many systems run on digital automation.A youngster with a CompSci degree who wants to join their company could be a very attractive prospect for an Industrial Engineering firm and has great future prospects and job security.
>>622504324channers are red pilled and black pilled without being defensive about it. Normies see redpill and blackpill as some “ideology” and fight it for some reason. I tell people basic economic facts and they say>oh so youre a black pilled loser huh>oh so you think you’re andrew tate>bro reads too much red pilled content Like wtf even is “red pilled content?” When did simple reality become “red pilled?” Pathetic. I never waste an opportunity to mock people now.
>>62251584how are you a neet with a doctor's salary, anon teach me your ways
>>62251628You tell me. These loser males who are “doctors” think they are somebody because of their job. In the kids world, dorks nerds and geeks are the losers. In the adult world, doctors, lawyers and accountants are the losers of the adult world.
>>62248092work few days for a lot of payexcel at your job with 99% clear and do extra tasks when the boss is complainingwork 24hrs a day every day for a year or two depending how long you can take it with full good pay + overtimeretire
Stayed at home, invested in Bitcoin, then Nvidia and AMC, got like 200 millionJk mum died, living at Grandpa's was a nightmare so I got out of there too quickly and fell into an even worse nightmare
>>62251628These pathetic adult males think any high status person that isn’t over 50 cares about their occupation. I always have to teach them a modern lesson. >>62248635Fucking loser. Most people here are under 50 and don’t care a job status. Doctors were only respected pre 1960s.
>>62251643"doctors" will be remembered as the biggest scammers of the late modern period.
>>62249703anon, are you saying that monero is the next btc?
>>62251658what is one major thing that changed since you became rich? also what advice would u give to me?
just be born in 1979 or have rich parents, rtard
>>62251843Pretty much this. It is a lot harder to even have a middle class life now. Everyone has under the top 10% is pretty much working for less each year and part of the underclass. Everyone under the top 10% is falling farther behind. The bottom 90% became the new lower class now. Crazy.
>>62248287>jest start a powerwashing business and y'll be getting clients for $600 per wash
I've barely "made it" but I'll note my story.On phone, too lazy to green text.Undergrad math Parents die, inherit about 250k around age 20Do a lot of drugs, be very depressed, not manage money wellBe smart, get into good grad program in fairly niche fieldShit wages in grad school and post docEnd up in pharmaCurrently make 200k thereabouts, 1M net worth, age 35, my job has pretty good work-life balanceNothing too impressive, but I'd say my financial troubles aren't too great.If I had to give any sort of advice it would to be to get into a smaller technical field. It worked out for me, but times may have changed. Even if AI goes crazy a lot of stuff is going to take a long, long time to get got by it. Once you're deep enough in the weeds automation etc can really only do so much. Basically do something so technical it's basically an art.
>>62252062Two quick things to add.Don't pay for grad school, be smart enough that you get paid to go.Also as others said your network is critical. My last two jobs have been through word of mouth.
>>62252009There's a bit of a difference between cleaning up hazardous waste on mine sites in full PPE for hundreds of thousands of dollars and powerwashing Brian's deck for $50I would never encourage anyone to work for the general public. But working for businesses and governments is a whole different level. And they're going to pay SOMEONE to do the job, it needs to be done. So sales are never a problem. I have purchasing agents and contracting officers emailing me regularly asking me to bid on their work because there aren't a ton of companies doing it, let alone ones that do it well.
as someone who has 5 roth IRAs ive compounded with TQQQ since inception it was quite a journey, my father from greece told me it was a good investment so I did it now I yell nigger and bullshit with locals while drinking whiskey at the good ol pub!
>>62252074stop larping or post some proof
>>62251558thank you a lot anon, what niche would you recommend getting into with gov contracting, there's a lot of contracts i see with high barrier to entry like construction, maintenance, elevator repair is there a niche that I could start with that's easy and I can get my feet wet with, i already have an llc desu
>>62252068too late anon, i graduated this year with a master's in cs, i forgot to mention it in my op, did master's mostly because of familial expectations, and the fact i could not find a job
>>62252223>graduated this year with a master's
>>62248107So you have 20K+ of student loans lmao
I used to always make it on darkrp servers and get rich but IRL is hard asf. The only zoomers that made it are literally adderall kids.
Is this thread even real or is it bots? Where did all these Chads come from? I thought biz was mostly poorfags
>>62252266something like that, I got around ~55K in student loans but my student loans total includes the cost of my master's degree.
>>62252192>stop larping or post some proofhere ya go. MSHA part 48 surface and underground refresherOSHA HAZWOPER 8 hourUS Government Contractor ID (PIV)let's see if 4chan rotates my shit>>62252213Low barrier high cost stuff is going to be recurring. The easiest recurring is probably Janitorial, HVAC, Landscaping, Building maintenance, Security, or in your case perhaps IT.IT contracting will require a security clearance. Some of those others might also depending on location. But if you get the contract the agency will run your clearance, assuming you have a clean record.
>>62248184It doesnt work all the time, especially if the start-up company is managed by idiots. I turned down two underpaid startup offers after college and I found out a few years later both companies went bankrupt
>>62248287>I got to talking to the janitor and found out she made more than me because contractor working with hazardous waste.I have many questions. What did she do exactly in her role, how did she start off her business and gather clients and contracts? By "working for free" do you mean doing her job and cleaning up hazardous waste? I'm a chemist that works with hazardous materials all the time and I get paid like shit desu.
>>62252361thanks anon, for the advice really, you could write a book with the knowledge you know, i'll probably try to do hvac and/or IT then.
>>62252382>What did she do exactly in her role, Regular janitorial work cleaning offices, floors, bathrooms, but at a mine site so she needed special hazardous waste and mining certifications. She did most of the work herself but had a couple part time employees.>how did she start off her business and gather clients and contracts? She bought an existing janitorial and environmental services company that was doing both commercial and residential work. >By "working for free" do you mean doing her job and cleaning up hazardous waste?Yep. My wife supported me for a year while I did all the former owner's work and learned how to operate the biz.>I'm a chemist that works with hazardous materials all the time and I get paid like shit desu.I can't guarantee you'd make more contracting, that depends on how well you run your business. But generally contractors make 2-10 times more than wagies gross. However we also have significant overhead. After insurance and payroll and equipment and certifications and supplies I make about 40% profit on my gross receipts. However I employ 6 other people and do about a million a year in sales, so my takehome is around $400k. My results are NOT typical. Most small businesses fail. I personally have declared bankruptcy 3 times in the past. It's not all easy money, and running a business is a shitload of work especially at the start.
>>62252386You're welcome, it's a lucrative gig if you decide to get into it.
>>62252382also another thought-if you could put together an accredited lab of your own for mining and water assays you'd make bank. There's a pretty big shortage of mining and water labs and even places that have their own labs usually need an outside lab to verify their results for permits
