>>62254027
finance -> tech, worked as series 7/63, couldn't get analyst job despite CFA

>Corporate engineering (electrical/software) has me feeling like shit if I'm not doing 110% and have burned me the fuck out
There is nowhere obvious for you to switch to if you are going to have a standard job. Everything else is even worse unless you come up with whatever the next big field is now that tech is dead (but YOU can still coast).

>>62254027
>>62254049
Will rant some more:
1. Switching jobs makes sense when you are in a bad career and relatively low down the totempole. If you are in a top field and relatively high up, it really makes no sense at all. Tech was "the obvious" field back then, I am not sure what "the obvious" field is now. AI, sure, but you can't just jump into it EVEN if you have a code and math/stats background.
2. Everyone is burned the fuck out. More competitive, more work, more shit to know, all-power-in-employee hands flipped entirely, lay offs, muh "use magic ai and do 10x", etc. But this is just reversion to mean. Mech E, accountants, non-analyst/hedgie finance employees have been treated as slaves historically.

>>62254027
I am going to rant even more now, maybe I can get some thoughts. But over time I realized that if you have no connections and want to "work hard and make it", the only place to do that is at companies doing innovation. Note in the meme sense, but in the sense that the company NEEDS real development, NEEDS people to move fast, has funding, is growing like crazy, etc.

The problem with legacy companies, like working for an old bank or life insurance company or something is that they DON'T need anything. Like their business is chugging along. Its a salary/career extraction machine for those already in power, but when you come in and work hard, you are mostly an annoyance. Nobody cares if the company makes money. Your "innovation" doesn't matter because the company is already making money with their established processed. By working hard you draw attention to the fact that others aren't and you create extra problems in making a friend's gay 26-year old art student the head of all IT in the bank because you have an opinion (real story from this year at top 5 US bank btw).

So either learn to coast or go to some funded startup in a real industry. I still think robotics (fusion of AI, drone tech, etc) might take off, but I dunno how to capitalize on it.

>>62254027
It is as stressful as you make it to be.
Just communicate your limitations clearly to your superiors. They'll demand as much as they think you can take.
t. manager

every job just seems boring as fuck or soulless. i don't give a shit about climbing the corporate ladder or anything. just want some meanful work to occupy my time on this earth for the remainder of it. kinda seething reading about those medieval peasants who all built stone churches together because they had so much free time.

>>62254883
They built those churches because an enterprising priest asked them.

>>62254027
I feel you op. I honestly feel the same. The thing im looking for is some coworkers that truely don't give a fuck. But im stuck with absolute snakes. The job pays too well to leave, the market too shit to fucking hop. Thinking of just starting my own company. T code monkey

>>62254027
I'm trying to switch careers and it's not looking good.
I'm getting dragged through the mud trying to do what I want, I'm sacrificing my finances for it.

>>62255080
I feel this. It's more my management who's doing the good boy routine and the whole organization doing the "self evaluate yourselves and spot your own deficiencies and come up with an action plan to address them"

>>62254049
>>62254084
>>62254123
I appreciate the rant. It's definitely a shared set of feelings it seems

Honestly my company WAS doing innovative shit when I started but they over hired and shit got bloated and imbalanced.

Also product ownership was killer when I started. Also we had a lead engineer who knew his shit. They both left and somehow I'm the most competent person standing on the team 5 years down the line after various changes both to the team makeup and the company

I'm dipping my toes into management of the couple engineers on my team when I return and I don't know if it's going to be a good thing or a far worse thing

I felt I was my best self about 2-3ish years into my role at this company when I could just fucking work with no distractions and minimal bullshit and the shit we were building made sense due to clear requirements by the product owner. There was some trajectory and direction then

Now it's just doggy paddling with the dumbest shit and it's feeling nauseating to keep working the same way with the same people. Somehow it's getting worse though as more people started reaching out directly to me due to my seniority

Just quit, I'll do your job for less pay. Stop blocking us from jobs.

>>62255165
exaclt i so happy im living a better life than them making 14k a year in california,

so i get 300 for food a month, freee internet, free phone, free medical ,

so much free shit. and i hasve side hustles that pay in cash,

its like i dont have a job, do what i want when i want,

lmao these pricks make 6 figs and live lower quality life than me

I went from mech eng (defense) to tech sales for a few years, but got seriously burnt out and eventually cut bc idgaf. Now I’m chilling for a bit with my cozy rainy day fund and I don’t feel any impetus to get back to work. I want to pivot out of both engineering and sales but oh well.

>>62258388
I actually think this is how we fail, potentially.

> be a poor
> work fairly decent paying jobs
> take a break to do something "meaningful" (hate the word, hippie vibes, but whatever)
> career shifts to AI or entirely away from field
> can't come back at same level or even similar
> inflation
argggg

>>62254027
If you can hold out for a few years you’ll be better off, hopefully. I also had a child within the past two years and went through the same thing. You need to realize you’re now responsible for someone else’s livelihood and you can’t treat employment like some meaningful journey. It’s a means to an end, and that end is supporting your family, even if you hate your work. Trust me, no one hates their job more than I do (chemical eng.), and I dream about retiring all the time. I’ve also thought about quitting, changing careers, etc. but there’s no point if you get paid less. You’ll inevitably regret not having more means to support your family. At this point if you can stomach it just investmaxx until you have a big enough safety net, then consider your options. Half of your burnout is likely coming from having a newborn, they’re a lot of work. They’re simple but draining.
Congratulations by the way. Kids are great. Best thing that has ever happened to me without question.

>>62258906
Ha, I think I am walking into this problem, but slightly differently. My time in sales has made my traditional engineering skills look secondary even though I still know my shit. Between defense and sales, I’d rather go back to defense/trad engineering but now these autists see me as a sales guy. I’m happy to take a pay cut and work a stupid easy staff engineer cuck job, but my resume is too weird for a lot of hiring managers that only worked in trad engineering.

>>62255080
I'm that coworker. Just got laid off lol. No regret. Time to build the saas that I wanted. Luckily, I don't have a child yet.

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My school sent me a fucking advertisement to switch my CS degree to a Project Management degree kek. Should I do it? My admittedly ignorant perception is that project managers don't do anything except send emails and go to meetings, and is therefore an easy job? Well anyways. I looked it up and apparently it's not easy to get into a PM role with just a degree. But it's also hard as balls to land a role with a CS degree right now. Thoughts?

it sucks when you invest into a career. nothing else pays enough to live starting out. if you switch and dont get extremely lucky youre oging to be downgrading to like a studio apartment with kids in it. the cost of living is so fucked up.
im in swe and the amount of money i make is the amoutn needed to live decently. if i switched it would be literally 80k+ pay cut. its nuts.

>>62254027
I went from sous chef to heavy equipment operator in construction