I really liked Pengy's show. Live vocals, her voice is powerful, it was fun.

>>10958601
Honestly, you can never go wrong with her in terms of vocal work. I was very pleased to hear her vocals live, as this was my first ever time at Otakon and hearing her in person.

kaigai idols make good original music challenge (impossible)

kaigai idols should focus on making their singing better and learn different songs

Most "kaigai" idols should focus on singing in the first place. Many just dance and call it a day. Besides that, this community should stop glorifying mediocre vocalists. Saw a person calling Berry an "outstanding singer" the other day... outstandingly mediocre?

>>10958791
>>10958810
>>10958825
n00b alert

>>10958825
There are a few diamonds in the rough as far as I know. But Berry isn’t one of those. She could get some vocal coaching and maybe my opinion might change. As of now, it remains stagnant.

I honestly wouldnt hate Super Melody/irodori idols as much if they didnt have their friends bring tripods and block the front row every time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYG1634vN6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8msqhzt5lI

I was at Idol Harmony for Keeki but Pengy and Phoebe are premium cuties

>>10958839
Why do you care so much about viewing them up close? they're mid anyway. creep.

So who saw Berry's latest "apology"? It's obvious she read through the threads last time. What a half assed non-apology with basically "sorry for FEELING".

>>10958898
Because the same tripods purposely block people from watching other idols.

>>10958899
the way she speaks just sounds so annoying. I think she speeds up the audio which makes it sound weird.

I don't even think she needs to applogize for anything. girl if you wanna prove people wrong, then do it. announcing she got signed by weaving it into this monologue is weird in my view. glad to know she realizes she's undeserving though. never forget that berry. your numbers are out of pity, not pure talent or charisma.

Berry's haters are annoying and so is Berry's passive aggressiveness response. But i do find it funny how she was in a relationship with another women

>>10958927
how is that funny? she gives bisexual vibes off either way just like every other white american weeb woman with colored hair.

>>10958927
Her being bisexual has nothing to do with her being annoying

>>10958932
It's funny because she looks lost and uncomfortable in her ex photos, while Berry deleted her past photos

>>10958927
I'm not even a berry hater. I want to like her but she makes it so fucking hard by constantly being in some sort of shit. I'm glad she signed on with someone because now they can actually give her PR experience and wrangle her when she's being retarded.

>>10958910
I'm not buying that she got signed until there's actual proof. All she said was that she wasn't independent anymore. She might have just got another friend to play manager for her.
Her video was pathetic. She clearly read the threads, saw that everyone hates her "pity me" approaches, and then proceeded to make a video begging for more pity. After three years, there is still nothing compelling or particularly special about her. She's not growing or changing in any meaningful way. She is a 30-something year old has-been trying to cling to her youth. "Berry" sad to watch.

>>10958948
watch it just be "signed" with fake star or something similar which just means you have a booking agent.

being signed is supposed to mean that you got a deal with a label meaning that you signed a contract to be under their management and they work a deal where you release x amount of songs under x amount of years and they have a percentage of the royalties etc, it varies

>>10958948
and yes, beyond going viral and getting a hate mob, there is nothing interesting about her. she doesn't show depth or potential to have artistic longevity, which is still important for idols especially soloists. as a grown woman, can't she pull from life experience? or is all her life experience just being a white weeb into fandom culture? it would be different if she had an amazing voice or strong dance skills. both are just, okay, not amazing but not horrible. even in just her personal branding and costume design lack originality or clear vision.

compared to idols like phoebe, cherie ife, paida, pengy. it's too obvious berry was thrown into the spotlight without figuring herself out first.

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why is that lennie peach girl so overly confident? girl its just annoying. you aint taking any world by storm and also arent the 'cutest' like you claim to be bffr. something that turns me off from certain kaigai idols is them not being humble and praising themselves all the time, especially when they dont even live up to it.

>>10958985
prove youre not a vendettaposter. I've seen nothing but cute things from lennie. Never got that vibe at all.

>>10958990
prove youre not self-posting. right, how should either of us prove anything? we're on an anonymous thread and my opinion is my opinion.

>>10958992
your opinion has zero basis in reality and you have no source. Why even bother being pissy about someone so small?

>>10958999
haha you sound incredibly butthurt. 'zero basis in reality!1!!1' when what i said was literally shit you can find on her profile, e.g. the 'taking the world by storm' and 'cutest you've ever seen' gimmick. that doesnt sound very humble to me and you seem to be either self-posting or a crazy sjw whiteknight who needs to step back. bet you didnt tell anons to stop being pissy about someone small when they were nonstop shitting on freyja kek.

>>10958985
you're right. if that person was actually conventionally attractive, people would call them stuck up and arrogant. it's a gen z thing to use hyperbole for confidence. plus, hamu cotton also uses the phrase hamustar. who's gonna win the hamu-off?

>>10959004
like every idol does that, you people never bitch when a conventionally attractive or asian one does the shtick. I never post here but lennie peach legitimately is like one of the least offensive and annoying ones.

anyone going to mention keekihime's temper tantrum because she couldn't sell out the 9:30 club? she's such an insufferable cunt

>>10959039
It’s extremely disappointing to see. Otakon’s programming this year was truly quality especially Anibeat and even Now Presenting had some promising first timers. Idol Harmony (No, not “her concert” like she tried to claim it to be, I found that incredibly insulting to the other performers) also looked incredible on top of having a packed crowd. Why did she need to spoil the fun weekend for people who went to either/both? She should go back to hiding behind her model, maybe she can pretend to be a more humble person as Kiara because clearly her in person self is a diva.

>>10959032
who else actually says that who isn't autistic?

>>10959043
she's overrated. the only thing she has going on for her is the fact that she was one of the early people in this, she's attractive enough for gooners, and has connections in japan. outside of that, she's boring. phoebe and pengy probably had herself feeling like an idol fraud.

>>10958868
based appreciator
I caught Otakon on Friday, IH on Saturday, and Otakon again on Sunday.

can anyone recommend lesser known or starting out groups/soloists? i’m tired of the same few “popular” girls on my feed and i want something new. honestly i don’t care if they have music out or not, something to drown out berry chan desu

>>10959032
name me three other idols that think so highly of themselves. i'm waiting.

>>10959053
what is your criteria? attractive? good at singing and dancing? don't care?

no criteria honestly. like i said i don’t care if there’s music out or not, dance skills good or bad. appearance isn’t something that i take into consideration. i’m new to this scene so finding people that don’t already have hundreds of followers and being fed to me by the algorithm is hard, so any recommendations are appreciated! >>10959056

>>10959057
there are different idols who have been featured in International Idol Network's online zine, so that's a good start

>>10959057
for starters you can find some good overshadowed ones in virtual showcase lineups. those are usually small idols who dont really get chances to perform in person even if theyre solid. i definitely recommend idols outside of north america too. like south america, australia or even europe. asia of course too, they have very solid groups that are not really getting any spotlight in this community. the average quality rises when you start looking for idols outside of the us in my humble opinion, the scenes just sometimes arent as big.

>>10959039
>keekihime
honestly who the fuck cares
she has a pretty face, is annoying, tries to lesbait a lot
her music under kiara is a poor copy of the Sweedish composed pop songs that popular is popular within the kpop music scene
rather watch billlie than her concert

>>10959043
this is such an oversensitive take. Many people say "my show" when they talk about a show they performed at even if they weren't the only person on the lineup. same goes for an actor saying "thanks for watching my movie" when clearly the actor isn't the only star in the movie.

Also who said what exactly about one stage being better than another?

>>10958791
https://open.spotify.com/artist/7fJKNFZ9AQfdkPgGFdxhZz

>>10959055
berry
maeve de voe
keekihime
im not going to be wasting my time naming all of them. thats the point of the schtick you moron. it's a character.

>>10958985
Lennie:
>is outwardly nice
>has a cutesy demeanor with enthusiasm for her brand and act
>produces good content
>doesnt get into shitflinging
I seriously don't see why this is the idol you choose to shit on for being, what, confident in herself? People like you are the reason the threads always shit up and nobody talks about any newer or smaller idols.

>>10959082
yeah nobody likes that schtick. berry and keekihime dont apply anyway.

>>10959083
why are you all so butthurt lmao? you would be the first person to go shit on people like freyja, adora or serena songbird. fucking lennie peach whiteknight sjws, yall are almost as annoying as those pan ranger sjw moids.

>>10959085
If I told you Adora was my oshi what then nonnie? What's with these specific names you're throwing out?

>>10959066
if i wanted to listen to moniis boring music i would listen reso

>>10959085
if you want fans who will go to war for you, just be fat white and queer

>>10959078

this is so milquetoast

naming paida, berry, nonsweet, alexis, jubesy, pan ranger and aden (especially the first 3) as your oshis is the biggest newgen behavior ever, i always see other idols do that. tells me you only know the bigger names and dont give a shit about nobody else because there is no hype around them.

>>10959113
>dont give a shit about nobody else because there is no hype around them.
This is a normal thing to do anon...
How can you care about someone if you don't know they exist?

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>>10959113
>biggest newgen behavior ever
thats because your old gen is shit full of people who only dance and cosplay to lovelive

>>10959124
paida is very much oldgen. she's been at this stuff since 2016 practically

>>10959113
People don’t wanna mention their unpopular oshis here because it’s asking for people to attack them.

>>10959149
>because it’s asking for people to attack them.
Why on earth would someone do that? I've been to several cons with small time idol acts and even the ones I thought were mid were still fun.

>>10959157
Have you seen the last two threads?

>>10959149
this isn't the place to learn about new idols. this is a place to talk shit and be a bitch.

>>10958899
I wasn't paying attention so I don't know when it exactly happened, but she deleted this already. She either realized she made it too obvious that she was reading this thread or she's fuming because we laughed at her. Kinda surprised though, it looked like it was gaining lots of views and she wants that social media engagement money more than anything since idoling doesn't seem to be paying the bills. Wonder what the reasoning was.

>>10959184
She truly isn't genuine. She can't even clap back and mean it. The least you can do is stand strong in your defense about yourself. If you want to own the haters, then own them and mean it. And if you're not that strong of a person, then just don't even bother.

Berry, just be yourself. The passive aggressive tough bitch act doesn't work. You also can't be the sweetest most cutest innocent idol in the world either at your age and also with being a bisexual white fandom weeb.

The thing people like about idols a lot is when they own their unique quirks (fangirling over a male idol playboy is not a quirk.) Hopefully being signed and with proper management, there is a personality consultant to help market yourself better in a more genuine way that is still appealing to people, if that's possible.

>>10958578
long review of otakon idol shows incoming

tl;dr this event had a great idol scene present and there were a lot of talented performers, highly recommend people who want to go to a con and see as many idols as possible. i only went saturday but heard good things about other days from friends

going in order of this photo:
aniwaza was a wotagei performance group that seemed to have a lot of presence in performances this weekend. they were cool.

pengy was on her absolute a-game this weekend. probably one of the strongest performers ive seen. voice, energy, outfit, every thing was there. i missed idol harmony but i heard it was even better there.

see.ker was an unexpected crowd winner. they sounded great live, mixed in plenty of crowd interaction, and know how to perform. i'm disappointed it was their last show but not surprising after melancholiaah graduated

italia was cute and had good stage presence, and had a lot of vocal potential. cute is most of what i remember about her

uwwr is not going to be everyones cup of tea but as a lover of alt idols they won me over. they called themselves a vomit themed idol, vocals were giving metal concert

cherie was cute but the hype did not live up. for how much you people talk about her i just thought thered be more there. vocals were giving so i hope theres something to draw me next time.

i blame a certain old not-cosplay-but-wear-wigs group for celestinas. they were a cute dance cover group, but im just over characters for idols at showcases like this.

marthas vocals are always giving

nonsweet was just as good as you expect them to be, even with changes into the three member group. nothing was missing with this new lineup, and they know how to win a crowd.

i dont need to say anything about lady beard

phoebe sang one song and her vocals sound exactly the same live

saturday night the most notable set was chiri girls/aden/alex pinku

chiri girls did some throw back songs from idols, and its a cute idea(1/2)

>>10959207
chiri girls: i hadnt really seen them before this weekend, missed them on my radar i guess, but after seeing them live i listened to their original song and i like it!

aden was much better than i expected, vocals are getting there i think, think they sound better live than recorded?

alex pinku was not very good, but i wanted them to be. i think just dance covers would suit them more, but their dancing was suffering because of the vocals, which even when you could hear them they were just not good. ive seen them before and remembered them being better, but wouldnt go out of my way to see them again

i agree with most of these and you made a good point with cherie. she's pretty and a good singer (i enjoyed her kira kira gyaru summer show too) but there is too much hype on this thread. i guess it's also because her image and aesthetic is solid and she is above average looking in this community. still, her vocals arent as standout as people have described them to be and she doesnt really dance well, though its not really a requirement for me personally.

>>10959207
>aniwaza
They do vtuber stuff sometimes as well which is where I've caught them, they're really talented.

>>10959208
alex pinku's oshi is sayumi. they think they can get away with not knowing how to sing because that was their oshi's trademark. it's also no surprise that alex still sucks after all these years because they still believe anyone can be an idol and it's all just for fun. that mentality holds people back from actually challenging themselves. growth is a huge appeal for idols.

Alex, it's fun for you, but the audience suffers. They support you out of pity and because you feel like a friend.

>>10959210
it would help if she posted full performances online. then people know what they're getting themselves into. at least a full live performance of one song.

>>10959226
Someone tried saying this years ago and got cancelled. Oop!

i agree that cherie needs full songs up, but personally, i became a big fan after ota.if shes a singing focused idol and really a newgen, hasnt she already surpassed ppl like alex pinku? she had a line of fans at the idol-space meet and greet too, so i see major potential with some polishing.the song concepts were cool too

>>10959232
It's fine to want to do this just for fun.

but if you are actively trying to do live performances in front of people, and you want to build a fanbase, and you want to apparently shine brighter than the sun, for the love of god, they need to stop being such a defensive person to criticism. if alex pinku was open to improving, by now they would actually be a good rock vocalist instead of cosplaying as a punk.

Berry just posted event information about an off-kai in partership with idle rage. I think that is the agency she claimed she signed with. They seem like a decent group but no wonder she took the video down. She made it sound way bigger than it actually was.

>>10959235
It really was nothing kek

>>10959233
To chime in on one other point, this is her charm. I like the vocals but besides that, I get the impression she is 100 percent devoted to being an idol and improving.

>>10959238
I haven't seen her live yet, but she's pretty, I like her music, and as long as she sings live and does a little choreo, that's enough for me.

>>10959233
For me, I can forgive shortcomings with live vocal quality and dance skill because everything else about her is so polished. Her concept is strong, her music is good, and she's actually performing at multiple events both here and in Japan. Even if she's just okay at singing and dancing, her drive and passion make up for it for me.
>>10959235
Wasn't she already doing events with them anyway? That's double nothing.

if cherie was fat or ugly, none of you would hype her half as much.

>>10959244
Well, duh. Looks are part of being an idol. Who would want to support an idol that's fat and ugly? Unless fat and ugly is what you find attractive or aesthetically pleasing. In which case, there are people like Alex or Berrybeanpie out there for you.

>>10959246
Alexis*, sorry.

>>10959244
pretty much everyone acknowledges that part of the reason why they like her is because she is pretty.

but she works hard to be pretty. she's opened up about having procedures, she literally studied cosmetology and has been a professional hair and make up artist, she's open about her struggles with weight in the past so her current body is something she worked towards.

I like to support idols who inspire me to be the best I can be. Fat and obese is not something that inspires me.

>>10959233
she was just objectively better than alex. alex was the weakest performer i saw all weekend. vocals weren't there, dancing wasn't there, stage presence wasn't there. there's good reason other rock idols were in anibeat and alex wasn't.

I just listened to Cherie’s voice on that practice video she shared and her voice is def better than just okay kek With no autotune plus bad acoustics shes hitting some difficult notes with great breath control. If that’s her after only a year of practice, you bitches are cooked

>>10959244
That is the main idea of being an idol and where a lot of girls fall flat, but this is such a stupid take. Somebody like her is rare in this scene because she feels like a real idol straight out of Japan.Her music slaps and she does it all herself.DUH theres gonna be major appeal there.

>>10959252
I'm glad people are realizing how overrated they are.THE definition of milquetoast.

can someone pls give genuine advice on how to seem more idol-like? from how to present myself, what type of content to post, etc.
nonsweet for example seem like the epitome of idols and i as a newbie want to get there but need some clear aspects to really work on other than vocals, dance and stage presence.. it would be rlly helpful to get some advice from a wota pov

>>10959256
the thing about non sweet is that, I honestly think they are a little boring, which ig is what makes them seem so idol-like.

I like idols like paida who speak up about world issues and aren't afraid to goof on themselves.

I still like and respect non sweet A LOT, but I would love to see a more silly less formal side of them online, if that exists. As long as they are being genuine, that's what matters tho.

being seen as more idol-like is all about taking yourself seriously online. post pictures that don't have you looking sloppy. write captions and share content that is motivational and inspiring to others. an idol is as much of a cheerleader towards their fans as fans are a cheerleader to them after all.

also other things that nonsweet do are no profanity, no lewd photos, no sexualizing themselves, all ages friendly shows and content, rarely ever complain on social media about anything. cute pics on top of cute pics.

>>10959233
also the fact that she did that girl’s counterculture song live without running out of air. none kf the other idols in her block would even dare lol i have no choice but to stan

>>10959246
berrybeanpie is still better than any of you ameretards idols.

>>10959277
she/you really isn't/aren't.

>>10959277
I had hopes for her original song, but the mixing is absolute dog shit because she did it herself.

>>10959278
you all only have paida and berry and crying that you miss reso every second. you cunts have nothing compared to ausies

Keekihime cute

>>10959287
the only comments about that group have been shade, who the fuck misses them?

>>10959289
true fact!

>>10959287
if you're gonna pitch the ausie scene to be so great in comparison, THAT is the person you use to begin your argument?

But all american idols know that the aus scene is awesome and many look up to them and respect the infrastructure over there. You don't need to try to pit people against each other when there is actual admiration and respect between the two communities.

>>10959235
$40 to take a walk through crowded Downtown Disney with Berry. Even from a fan's perspective, that wouldn't seem fair. How much are you going to get to talk with her or hang out with her if you're going to be fighting against the sea of people that is Downtown Disney in the summer?
To whoever out there is considering paying for this: I'm sorry, but she isn't going to fuck you.

>>10959298
the concept of an off-kai with her in a public space like that is too risky for her safety as well. of course I don't like her, and I don't think she deserves the numbers she gets, but I don't want her to get hurt or harassed in public. anyone who isn't a part of the group could easily join the meet too and secretly follow from afar.

It would have been smarter to do a meeting inside a cafe in a private area or something. it can be a more controlled environment that can also ensure actually making a connection with her, if she even cares about that.

off-kais in general seem very risky unless there is a security team involved. you just never know and I noticed that this is something a few idols are trying to do now.

>>10959287 lmao the bait

aus scene is in the dumps. all the good groups disbanded, no news group rn lasts more than 6 months. whos left, amuse? they have to collab with paida to get any attention otherwise theyre too busy moonlighting as escorts

the rest of them went solo to japan and hows that going for them?

america doesn't win in the quantity department but rn all the relevant acts are US based

>>10959287
daaaaaamn you are butthurt as shit. berrybeanpie is fat, unattractive, not very talented and has an overdone concept that doesn't stand out or fit her much. are you miserably self-posting or just an aggressive wota with a fetish for women like her? nobody even said anything about the aussie scene because there are 100 times better and more appealing idols to be found there compared to berrybeanpie. something smells fishy here.

>>10959256
i'd be happy if some more people could give advice!! thanks to the person that already did

>>10959256
Look at Japanese idols you like and do what your favorite does.
Pick one that posts on the social media you want to be active on. What kinds of things does she post on her story versus her TikTok? What kinds of captions does she write? How does she pose and edit her photos? How are her group's YouTube videos formatted? You don't have to copy everything exactly, but get a feel for what they're doing over there and see how you can apply it to yourself.

I'm (not) surprised at how American centered are most of you. I know English is your first language and you are from there, but when talking about worldwide kaigai idols, you completely ignore other European and especially Latin American idols who are accomplishing a lot despite coming from third world countries.

>>10959313
I agree with you, but Europe and Latin America aren't third world by any means and that is common knowledge.
Anyways, why don't you give us some idol recommendations from Europe and LA? Not counting huge ones like Lulu Bitto, Aya or Jemimemu.

>>10959313
This site is based in the U.S. so most users will be American therefore their point of view will be American.

>>10959252
clearly you didn’t see pan ranger’s set then. pan has been good before when I’ve seen them. The new costume that looks like my grandma’s curtains + 15 minute inside joke with Aden + constantly being out of breath was a hot mess. The EP songs aren’t bad, but their performance was a serious downgrade from previous times I’ve seen them. And definitely worse than Alex’s set. We all know Alex can’t sing. But there are a lot of jpop idols who can’t sing. Alex has good catchy music, is very cute, has good outfits and is a good dancer. I think that’s pretty good.

>>10959256
look the part, have a healthy lifestyle, show some of your dancing on tiktok/instagram, dont be afraid to be original, don't talk about social or world issues

>>10959256
From seeing their shows in person now, a big aspect is the care they take for their personal appearance. You can tell they all have nice hair cuts that are maintained, take care of their skin, they take time before meet and greet to touch themselves up etc. I’m not sure if any of them have had surgeries or anything extreme like that but it’s obvious they care about what they look like beyond just buying cute clothes and plastering on makeup. (Plus they DO have cute fits and their make up isn’t cakey and suits them each)

I guess what >>10959257 said is true it can be a little bland but I do think they’re right, it’s a part of the appeal. They’re taking this as serious as they can despite the fact that it may not be their full time job. I’m not a performer but I definitely look for outfit and make up inspo from them like I would any idol or celebrity I follow.

I’m pissed the fan expo show got announced so late otherwise I would’ve gone as it seems like they will do a live qna. I hope it’s filmed and posted and that people ask decent questions.

>>10959331
I can't stand when idols do too much inside jokes. pan does this a lot and it leaves me utterly confused. not very welcoming for new fans.

>>10959357
Pan, Aden and that whole brigade over there only gaf about stroking their own and each other's egos. They've made that abundantly clear. Don't let them hear that though cause they'll have a full blown crash out.

>>10959331
Alex's solo music is very meh. It barely even gives the vibe of idol music. But I know they're working on an EP, so all I'm familiar with are their first few originals on YouTube. Flare's original song has potential but the mixing is dog shit and the lyrics are very wordy and don't flow well.

>>10959364
I never understood the appeal of pan unless you're just a sweaty nerd that is a big fan of their concept.

I also have a theory that many idols say they're nonbinary so they can avoid being held to female beauty standards. Makes no sense to be nonbinary but still wear dresses and make up and just look feminine and afab. A big trend in the northeast.

>>10959357
This is my biggest pet peeve with kaigai idols. Just shut up and get to singing or dancing. The audience wants to hear your music. That’s why people like nonsweet. Sure they might be “boring” but they did an hour long set at otakon and talked for maybe 5 minutes or less, didn’t stop to get a fucking H2O chant, and sang and danced well the entire time. Now I don’t expect this stamina from a solo idol but cmon guys

>>10959379
I still think chatting with the audience is important, but only if the idol has the speaking skills and charisma. Can't think of anyone who does as most are too autistic or have social anxiety.

>>10959368
>I also have a theory that many idols say they're nonbinary so they can avoid being held to female beauty standards.
you might be up to something, i hate they/them idols and i dont think they should be in an already niche scene. they are never good live and set the bar low

>>10959388
I don't have any problems with nonbinary people in general but it's just funny that these are the idols who tend to not show much growth over time, crash out at the slightest bit of criticism that could actually improve themselves, and use excuses like how this is all just for fun as a way to avoid being called out on sucking. Mental health is also a scapegoat used to avoid accountability generally with these people too.

>>10959368
this. i always distance myself from they/them or even weirder pronoun idols or overly vocal leftist idols. mental illness idols are also a thing that i can never get into because hell, i am here to see a good performance and hear good music and not hear about you victimizing yourself because of a mental illness or because you are so discriminated for your pronouns. if you are a normally behaving idol and one day just casually come out as whatever orientation and don't talk about it again, zero problem and good for you. but dont make it your identity man.
also true, why are you calling yourself a guy and then you look like a really feminine woman? makes no sense. these people are usually also very mad if you misgender them. i also noticed that nonbinary idols usually do not look very good.

>>10959391
to be fair, people can suddenly one day announce a change in their identity but that doesn't mean they just decided to over night randomly. they could have been thinking about it for a while and ruminating on announcing it. they also could have been cosplaying as something they weren't this whole time.

I don't mind if people make their gender a identity as a focus of their idol stuff, but honestly I don't know many who do except for seeker or melancholiaah who transitioned while being an idol.

>>10959384
I’m talking more about inside jokes of crashing out on stage rather than MCing. Talking about the weather, the city you’re visiting, asking the audience how they’re doing etc. is very good and normal. Sobbing during the middle of your set for no apparent reason also makes everyone uncomfortable too. I saw that at least 2 times this year at Otakon from different performers and it was kind of weird…like can we at least retain some sort of professionalism guys. I’ve seen lavendula a few times and last year she went off about how her Israeli friends were being held hostage and started crying during her show and this year she started crying during her FIRST SONG for no clear reason…get it together girl

i just stay away from nonbinary/they/them people overall. They tend to have mental issues and are a crash out waiting to happen. keep me away from that shit, im too old for other people's drama

>>10959399
never heard of lavendula before but just looked them up

now why did you think a performance from someone with zero make up, zero hair styling, and no idol stage costume fashion sense would be good? that's your fault for walking in on that.

>>10959407
Well it’s not like I went to see her, I was just in the room at the time for the other people before and after her…also she says she’s a professional singer so I expected something good but I wasn’t exactly impressed with either the singing or her conduct on stage

Anyone have experience on setting up an idol show?

>>10959411
How were the other shows? Did you catch other ones in the idolspace throughout the weekend?
Anything notable?

Anyone see the performers at the Santa Monica event?

>>10959442
There wasn’t really much for the show. Just mostly people playing music or singing. Considering it was after the farmers market finished, it wasn’t all exciting. They even took the seats away from the area in front of the stage. So most of the audience dipped. Overall not much of an event at that point.

>>10959419
1) Have a good sound crew
2) Make sure the people you work with have good connections
3) Invite performers with interesting stuff
4) DO SOUND CHECKS! This is very important for tech related issues beforehand.
5) Choose a venue that will be comfortable for both the performers and the audience
6) Pay attention to the dates for planning an event. Is there any other events happening the same day? What time(s)?

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>ticketed event for Super Melody
BBAHAJAHJHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I disliked them but now i hate them

>>10959450
It’s crazy how it’s even possible for them to get a ticketed event. At least it isn’t Irodori Idols.

>>10959450
I can't quite explain why, but Super Melody always look dirty to me.

On the other hand, if people are willing to pay tix, who cares? I don't blame them for trying to make money or something

what's suddenly so bad about idols like super melody? you guys are starting to make no sense. i just looked them up and they seem fine, they sing and dance and don't hide behind wigs or "idolsonas". what is this hate about? why do you guys pick and choose who to hate and who to hype to death when they fulfill the same basic criteria? unless super melody are problematic whatsoever.

>>10959253
There's practice done regularly and with intent and then there's practice whenever your adhd/depression/bpd lets you remember there's stuff you want to get better at and maybe get a few rounds in the week before a show.

>>10959244
And yet somehow people still support pan ranger. Performance and stage presence can literally carry you, no matter what you look like.

>>10959256
start following some JP idols and look for fan recordings of their performances and MC segments, and how they use social media.
I see A LOT of kaigai idols bemoaning being bad at socials and then I see JP girls from tiny-ass groups with 1000 followers are making good morning/good night posts every day, posting multiple show reminders before a stage, thank you posts after a stage, selfies with other idols they like, tiktok dance challenges, random dance practices, and other things. You don't have to do EVERYTHING, but you should try to do enough to keep yourself in people's minds. The point is to remind people that you exist and you're doing stuff, and you're cooking behind the scenes.

Writing style is another aspect but that's a really personal thing that will drain on you mentally if you try to really push a character persona for yourself that you don't click with. I've seen idols do hyper cutesy posts with their own made up cute-ified words but I don't know how well that would translate to english. Might be cringe or might be endearing if you can sell it well enough. On the other side of the spectrum I've seen chika idols make genuine and honest rage posts about their problems and struggles at their office day jobs and venting all their rage at both bad management and their own fumbles. (without spilling so many details that they doxx themselves)

I think what a lot of kaigai idols could work on is their MC segments, because that's time when you can make the most showcase of your personality and when you can really work your gimmicks, if you have any. Sometimes I see girls struggle just to remember what points they want to make which drains the energy from the moment, or maybe they have anxiety when they're not dancing and get stiff. This is a segment where I think idols like Phoebe and pan get it right, and idols like Non Sweet could use a little less professionalism to loosen up, and most cosidol groups need to work on what they even want to say.

>>10959300
I agree that off-kai meetings really should be in controlled access private spaces so you don't have randos being inappropriate from not knowing the rules, and should have at least 1 or 2 staff assisting for a soloist. Treat it like a mini cabaret style show for hardcore fans.

>>10959419
>>10959449
Seconding and thirding the good sound crew.
Reach out to local weeb DJs or maybe con tech staff. (be prepared to pay for their time and/or equipment rental)
Enforce hard deadlines for people to submit their audio files!!

Idols should make it obvious they are dating their staff,shame that maid cafes rely so heavily on parasocial relationship with people in the spectrum

>>10959419
Choose people who you want to work with. It's not easy work to run an event so don't put all that effort towards people who don't deserve it, aren't reliable, and you don't even personally like that much. Don't feel pressured to include certain people on the lineup for the sake of your reputation. That being said, don't choose people just because they're your friend even though they suck. You need to have a high level of taste for this to work outside of conventions which is something that is hard to teach/learn.

What do you all think about idols who use art for their promotional materials and merch but the art of themselves is way skinnier than the way they look in real life? Cracks me up every time.

>>10959596
you can say may, we all know who you're talking about

Is it me or are all the fat idols getting fatter? How do you still manage to be obese but have a physically demanding hobby like dancing and performing?

>>10959784
no wonder they keep getting fatter when all this community does is hype them for being fat. not everything is directly obese of course but a decent amount of these idols are definitely obese to an unhealthy degree. the problem is that theyre lacking visuals, discipline and often talent in dancing too but still get hyped because of pity or because other fat idols feel the need to.

>>10959784
you can't outrun a bad diet.

but sometimes it is seriously hormonal. pcos is more common than you think and women's health isn't taken seriously enough for there to really be a permanwnt cure. going to the doctor and getting the right treatment to get things under control is expensive for idols living in shit hole usa.

>>10959419
I run shows but not idols:
What you'll need:
>location with a stage, or rent a community hall and bring your own
>sound equipment (some locations have this some dont)
>optional: sound technician
>actual idols
>money
Setting up speakers and shit is braindead easy, but you can always hire a sound tech if you're worried about noise regulations or blowing out peoples ears.

My recommendations for each:
>Find existing venues that are already setup
>Visit locations and scope them out firsthand, if they're sore for business it's easier to sell the idea
>Keep your initial expectations low
>don't expect a huge turnout for the first few times
>Aim for locations with existing stage and sound setup
>Have a solid schedule and setup at least an hour before the show
>Make sure talents bring high quality versions of music, don't rely on shitty spotify quality unless it is a last resort
>Advertise!
>Don't expect to make any money off the niche hobby
>If a venue is good to you, stick to that venue until you outgrow it

>>10959256
Just make it seem like you're talking exactly to that one person reading your post, even though it is being read by 10s or 100s of people. Idol is a hugely parasocial field and so you need to make your audience feel a connection between you and them specifically

>>10959784
Overwork leads to cramped schedules. Cramped schedule leads to inconsistent eating habits and poor diet choices favoring convenient but less healthy foods.

Some people have bad situations at home that they can't leave because of economics or trauma, and the stress from that affects everything.

What’s up with all the idols graduating? Think they’re seeing these threads?

when did we start letting vtubers into the community? im not even referring to 2.5d people, but straight up 2d vtubers. i keep seeing them refer to themselves as idols.

>>10959937
u.s. idol fes didn't start, but they support this crap that's for sure

the one place we thought would put real kaigai idols first

>>10959900
pregnant and or getting married.

>>10959900
It’s probably burn out. Idol activities aren’t cut out for everyone as a long term thing.

A bunch of nobodies in the community crying about another nobody disagreeing with homosexual marriage is hilarious in a very pathetic way. Block and move on. Why is this community so drama-hungry? Always pulling the victim card and exaggerating shit, no wonder people don't take most kaigai idols seriously.

>>10960052
these aren't kaigai idols they're love live cosplayers. literal whos. baited a girl into saying shes religious. the one who spread the screens is a DID larper too.

>>10959937
I don't know if I fully support pushing vtubers into idol events, but I have to admit vtubers have done a lot more to expand idol culture and awareness of what idols are among the weeb community than most kaigai idols. Most mainstream vtubers have adopted the idol model of performance and performer/audience relationship styles, based on the japanese 3D idol culture. It's almost ironic that it takes 2D anime girls to promote the shared traditions and etiquette of the 3D scene.

The other upside that vtubers bring to the idol scene is a focus on singing and vocalists, because it's so difficult (and EXPENSIVE) to put the tech together for a virtual dance performance. This is a big thing where the kaigai idol scene has lagged, because so many groups and soloists start out doing only dance covers and no singing. The lack of singing during idol showcases is something that has low key nagged at the back of my mind for years. So if the growth of vtubers doing singing concerts pushes more kaigai idols to do live vocals, then I think it's overall a good thing to have them.

>>10959900
Finishing college and getting jobs, or finishing high school and going away to college. I don't think most girls even know about this place because it's so inactive apart from a few yahoos obsessed with Alexis and Pan.
I still see a lot of new acts and faces every year so it's the normal cycle of things. For most people, idol life isn't going to be forever. It takes a special type to keep it going.

>>10958578
kagai, but it's chile

>>10960054
there is seriously no comparison between the two because one is "anime" and one is not.

yeah vtubers aren't anime chracters like from an anime series, but they are drawings in anime art style, so they're lumped into "anime" world. people who like anime and choose 2d>3d will not cross over to kaigai idol fandom, which is pretty much the majority of vtuber fans. that's why they like vtubers, because they are anime. if they weren't into anime, they wouldn't be into vtubers, typically.

it's almost like wondering why do people who like Kuroko no basket don't go out to watch live nba games.

>>10960054
>vtubers have done a lot to expand idol culture

yeah let's cue interview of nyaruchuuu, who is now performing in an event hosted by a kaigai idol event organizer after calling all kaigai idols except non sweet fat and untalented. vtuber fans have no interest in becoming fans of real life idols because they can't goon to anime avatars. also getting up on stage and singing live is a hell of a lot harder than hiding behind a screen and doing it as a "character"

>>10960078
“fat and untalented” as if vtubers arent probably all fatter use voice changers and dont even do the dances themselves

>>10960083
Kaigai idols don't have to talk shit about vtubers because that would be punching down. Vtubers feel like it's ok to talk shit about kaigai idols because, when you talk shit about someone above you, it feels more empowering. The louder you are, the better it feels.

But yeah vtubing is the one community where you can larp as a japanese girl while being an unwashed, smelly, fat ugly person.

>>10960095
genuinely wondering what a kaigai idol has to do to get a big concert like what hololive did at animenyc. are they just cooked because most idols are 30 year old white women that people don't find attractive?

>>10960053
>>10960052

kek,who?

i dont know the appeal of vtubers in these live concerts because it feels like im just watching a youtube video of someone pretending to sing live.

But there have been a few that have showed up live and HOLY SHIT do they mog most of the kagai idol scene by just singing really cute and being cute irl

The Kaigai Idol scene has a lot of overweight people or people who just smile dance, these people are protected by the same cohort who have been dominating the scene for a while

>>10960103
if that's all you know about kaigai idols, then you really have no investment in this culture, and therefore that's why you can't imagine it getting big.

realistically, it would take a kaigai idol to have:
a decent discography of original music
a social media following with big numbers and high engagement
the ability to perform live well as in singing live well, dancing live without getting tired, and ability to work a crowd
industry connections like a booking agency or just simply knowing people who can get them there
draw outside of a convention, which means a dedicated following willing to leave their house to see them live.

>>10960105
Yeah the prerecorded concerts are pretty disappointing to see, at least coming from the big companies. If you ever get involved with con volunteering it's insane how difficult and expensive the convention centres and hotels make it to get decent internet so i'm willing to give a pass to indies on that.
Sometimes they do live MC talk in between prerecorded songs, which is better but still not the same as a full live.

You're right that vtubers do the "being cute" part better than most idols but I think it helps a lot to have that anime girl mask in front. Trying to pull off the same kind of sweet mannerisms as yourself on a stage has to be a lot more anxiety and self-cringe inducing.

>>10960105
name every kaigai idol you know

>>10960108
>anime girl mask

this. it's easy to sit in front of your computer in your bedroom without having taken a shower and mimic a character that isn't your real persona.

and that's why I say it's not comparable. you can't compare the success of vtubers to kaigai idols lack of success because they are just two different fields. live indie music singers in general struggle with an audience. the crowds kaigai idols are able to pull at cons are actually incredibly impressive compared to what an actually talented indie singer new to live performing can do sometimes unless they are already performing in a niche community.

new original single drop from ember night. It's pretty cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qby_dD3fN0

>>10960111
They break the stereotype that asians are the best at this genre.

Mixing is shit as per usual, and not all members are at the same level of good looks. the contrast in appearances is horribly strong.

>>10960104
apparently more than one of them, and they're all nobodies and not even actual idols i can point a name to. another outed themselves as "having DID" because they read the thread and they werent even the one i was talking about kek
i am not asteria btw. she's an idiot for saying the quiet part out loud for sure.

>>10960110
>>10960108
when i say they show up live i mean in person. Most of them just walk, sing, wave to the crowd but its a thousand times better than someone just dancing to a jpop song

Kaigai Idols that sing and dance > Singing Kaigai Idols > Jpop cover bands > Kpop Cover dance groups >>>>>>>>>>> Kaigai "idols" that dance to anime songs

Why haven't I seen tommy lately?
Every time isee him in person I always assume he's trying to recruit another cosplayer, idol, or maid to do some of his x-rated photoshoots in his studio.

>>10960207
Who the fuck is tommy

>>10960210
SoCal a few idols/maids/cosplayers have shot there and the photographers they use shoot stuff that you would see in onlyfans. There's like a classroom, pink kitchen, and a 90s theme otaku room.

The Berry Offkai video was released.
https://streamable.com/a021i2
I really wish LA Idols would stop using the cheap "dream" filter for their photos and videos.

The Filter is always over used, always blurry, colors are always looking like a shade of brown, and the lights are always too distracting.

At least the awful starburst trend died.

>>10960253
Of course Berry is a Disney adult.

>>10960258
i hate disney adults as much as the next guy but that's actually a very jpop idol thing to do. look at any idol's twitter page. they LOVE disney

>>10960258
>>10960282

Yeah being into theme parks, especially Disney parks is extremely idol coded. It's a perfect fun day out with the girlies to dress up cute and enjoy a little fairy fantasy and whimsy.

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>>10960392
there was an attempt, but the coomer department is not impressed

>>10960394
>the coomer department is not impressed
but i am

AX chibi announced their latest idol... its your generic overweight dancer who shows off her ass on instagram

>>10960438
well they have to find people who wont perform at events leading up to or after somehow. their beloved berry will get an exception naturally.

>>10960450
They backtracked that statement

>>10960438
Going to hop hop BREAK THE STAGE (quite literally)

>>10960451
good. crazy they tried when noncomp is illegal in cali.

asher pisses me off

>>10960503
ashes?

>>10960512
I hope it is

>>10960512
God complex final boss

>>10960520
I know deep down this hambeast wishes they could be an idol too, but they can't. they don't have what it takes so they live their fantasy by being a manager wiggling their way into having control over the community and trying to be such an annoying know-it-all when it comes to knowing idol culture and the kaigai idol community. ashes, we see through you. your puppet strings only stretch so far.

>>10960521
What has Ashes done that's made you be this venomously hateful? Jesus christ

>>10960525
it's not hateful, it's a clear read. anyone who has interracted with her who isn't getting their ass kissed by her can see this clearly.

>>10960526
Oh no shit? News to me. Obvious nothingburger since you can't even give an example.

>>10960527
I don't need to give an example, because others definitely will.

>>10960528
Okay bozo. See you in 3 days when we're the last two posters talking about it and the threads back to gooning to Cherie.

>>10960529
it's funny how quick the defense pops up. not good at playing your cards as per usual.

>>10960530
>doesnt have the spine to back up their own claims and expects everyone else to do it
topkek. Embarrassing. Have you even contributed to the thread in any way beyond this?

>>10960521
fork found in kitchen

>>10960521
The scene is getting better because the old guard is dying off and so they are graduating or switching to BTS.
a scene that is predominantly dominated by anime fans will be converted into a scene dominated by idol fans and then this scene will truly flourish

are there any kaigai idols with genuinely good music? paida does imo but after that i just cant really find anything that stands out

>>10960520
>>10960521
Part of what makes Ashes so insufferable is the way she speaks to others can be so condenscending and it's obvious by the way she relies on the clout of her friends and her position as an event runner that she's painfully insecure and needs to feel important to the point she's constantly overstepping on people. Not to mention drama hungry. As someone who also works on events, she loves to throw around her "blacklist" to out-of-state events of people she personally dislikes and it really puts a bad taste in my mouth for someone who tries way too hard to be "professional". Girl is constantly searching for a power trip lol

>>10960556
Cherie "Yumola" ife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6o1gvOTWzk

>>10960561
Bingo.

Anyone who speaks down to others like that is just rooted in them being insecure about their position in the community.

If Ashes didn't have any interest in wanting to be an idol, she would never pull those stunts of being an idol for a day and graduating, how many times now? two? three? She wants a taste but knows she can't ever be good enough. she becomes a manager so she can have control over others to gain the power that she feels she loses when she triest to be an idol.

>>10960561
i'm convinced that her and the aniwaza people don't actually like kaigai idols and just want to lift people up and roll around on the floor and scream during idol lives and then get mad when con organizers tell them to stop. she's also pan ranger's manager which.....yeah

>>10960565
I remember watching her struggle to sing something completely out of her range at one of Pan's shows and had to stop her set early because she was embarrassing herself and when the audience tried to encourage her and tell her it was okay, she told them to "shut the fuck up" kek. Keepin it classy at the Pan Ranger function.

>>10960567
This. Crowd participation is fun but sometimes the wota seem like they care more about being the star of the show through dumbass antics over the idols.

To each their own ig

>>10960568
Finally, people who also dislike ashes. My people are finally here.

>>10960579
I appreciate people who want to uplift the community by organizing events, connecting the community to other communities so it can grow, and stepping up to be a manager to idols is a great help.

Ashes on the otherhand is annoying and rude. This person is power hungry and has the potential to be toxic for this community. She needs a reality check.

This is why you bitches never leave the crab bucket. Someone with clear vision and knows how to get shit done gets labeled as a toxic know-it-all. God forbid someone is more dedicated and genuinely loves idol culture more than you. Once ashes is ran out like all the other event organizers this community has ran out, we’re gonna go back to complaining how no one organizes events.

It’s self sabotage at this point. Good luck staying stuck.

>>10960585
schizo post + obligatory “hi ashes”

what other event runners have been “ran out”?
ashes is, in fact, an annoying know it all. it’s nothing about being dedicated and everything to do with the fact that she presents herself in such a way that leaves people with a bad impression of her. she should learn to shut the fuck up more

>>10960585
Nope.

Ashes is not interested in uplifting the community as a whole. She's only interested in uplifting the people in her small circle. She also keeps trying to connect the vtuber community with the kaigai idol community, and we don't need that shit.

The boards are a place to talk shit, but oftentimes, if not enough people can argue against the current target, they are in fact as bad as people say.

>>10960587
Yeah. But really, it's whoever pan gives her permission to invite to perform in events since they're so paranoid that everyone in the community hates them after the signals incident

>>10960567
they think theyre more important than the actual idols on stage.

>>10960576
>wota seem like they care more about being the star of the show through dumbass antics over the idols.
100%, they want to be known or be called by the idol, they even set up "teams" which is absolutely fucking retarded, you don't see fandoms setting up teams or mosh pits setting up a league

Let me guess, the real reason why we’re vendettaing ashes is some of you were rejected from her events. Typical, immature entitlement that hasn’t gone away.

>>10960605
No. the events ashes has organized arent much grander than other events that idols can perform at.

>>10960605
I don’t know manager Ashes I thought we were bitching about the Signals fag

>>10960595
I need to know what pan did that the people who used to kiss their ass now hate their guts lmao and this is even aside from past group drama

Or maybe the stench of self-importance and toxicity proceeds them.

>>10960595
Whats the signals incident? Newfag here

>>10960615
Look at past threads it's the only thing talked about and we're not starting this conversation again.

>>10960612
Pan makes their drama everyone else's issue. if you're even remotely friendly to signals, that gets you apparently blacklisted from being a part of any of the same events as them. Nothing about the drama between them was ever that bad. Pan just has a sensitive ego so if you wrong them in the slightest, they pull the biggest victim card out and make their drama everyone else's drama.

>>10960616
oh boohoo who gives a fuck, maybe not everyone was in the scene then and is curious now

>>10960636
Since you need to be spoonfed everything in life to function.....Pan was a bad team player and got kicked from the group, made a stink on socials about how Signals bullied them out of the group, it blew up for no reason on here and it's all people discussed for nearly a year over the span of 2-3 threads in a row with zero proof of any bullying and endless dead end back and forth of who was in the wrong. Happy?

>>10960638
Yes.

>>10960638
Pan should focus their fatass on fixing the ugly new costume instead.

>>10960672
I think the trash bag is fitting desu

>>10960672
I’m blaming ashes for this too (and pan’s boyfrienager)

Letting them go on stage wearing that thing is diabolical. That’s your idol, cmon. This is what happens when you’re surrounded by too many yes men

>>10960672
Fatty looking extra fat

>>10960672
commenting on their weight is just going to fuel their victim complex more. that makes people want to be their fan. also, their weight doesn't make them a good or bad idol.

They are absolutely too confident for their own good and has too much smoke and mirrors support that makes them seem more hyped and admired than they actually are.

>>10960676
The main thing killing the costume are the cut outs on the side of the pants that are way too big. regular style pants would have been fine and more flattering.

>>10960693
it looks like they cut up my grandma's curtains and glued some scrap fabric to it. also doesn't look remotely like anything an idol would ever wear. their first few costumes were fine, i don't know why they decided to do this

>>10960694
well their inspiation seems to be less about idols and more about tokusatsu/anime stuff

it also would help if the pants had more structure to look less curtain-like. the excess fabric give a drowining effect

>>10960695
their first costumes were also tokusatsu inspired but they didn't look like shit...

>>10960703
I get why you think it looks bad, but I still like that it's something different and original even though it's not my favorite costume I've seen, it is different and not a jiraikei look/devil inspired/decorated plain taobao dress.

>>10960709
The idea is fine. The execution of it is awful.

The thing I've noticed about Pan is that every bit of their execution is half-assed. Their originals are mixed like shit, she always sings subpar. She can hardly dance. Her new costume looks unfinished and unflattering. Even in normal selfies or photos she posts, her hairs greasy, she doesn't look showered. It's like she hardly puts effort into anything. None of this is about her being fat.

>>10960730
pro tip: if you're releasing an ep/album, use the same mixer for all tracks so there is a cohesive sound

>>10960740
No shit. Thought that was common knowledge, but common and kaigai don’t mix (well)

>>10960741
many kaigai idols must have a hearing disability because the amount of official releases that have dog shit mixing is astounding, considering mixing is getting a little cheaper these days

Aniwaza is a guest at USIF. No surprise, because ashes is in it, and ashes is still helping run USIF. Nepotism much?

>>10960770
The hate boner is so real

>>10960770
i don't get why they give them performance slots...half the time they look completely out of sync

>>10960770
Crazy that wota are suddenly idols now.

>>10960784
they're not even wota in the sense that they're idol fans. they don't give 2 shits about who's performing on stage, they just want attention

>>10960785
The word you’re looking for is “uchishi” they are very much performers in their own right.

Wotagei was spawned from idol otaku, but it split off into its own genre with multiple teams/performances and even competitions.

Not all wotas are uchishi and not all uchishi are wotas, imo they very much deserve a spot because of how hard they’ve been working as formerly the ONLY wotagei team for years in NA

I’m begging yall to stop being so cynical for 5 seconds, there’s complaining and then there’s being a whiny lil baby.

>>10960770
learn the true definition of nepotism ir kill yourself. the word you're looking for is "connection."

They're fine. they provide good programming content and are passionate at what they do. they deserve a guest slot. ashes being in the group picture is so funny though lol

>>10960788
So anyone that works hard is suddenly deserving of a performance slot at an idol show that is supposed to showcase... well, idols? Why not give a performance slot to a random salaryman then, don't they work hard too?

>>10960790
You sound really bitter about not getting selected

>>10960790
Wotagei, an art form derived from IDOL FAN CULTURE, performed by artists who worked hard on their (IDOL BORN) craft? I think usif is exactly where they belong.

It’s foolish to discredit the major impact Aniwaza has had on the wota space in NA.
If you’re going to talk shit, At least know what you’re talking about.

>>10960790
well they already do that with that old fart abner

>>10960792
exactly. wota and idol have a symbiotic relationship. I don't like ashes, but I like aniwaza who have existed years before her infiltration. anon sounds like a lovelivetard

>>10960791
I didn't even apply but whatever you say. Bet you're an aniwaza fag selfposting.

anizawa, vtubers, cosplayers, and the rest of this just takes attention away from real irl idols. just goes to show that even the so called diehard fans have little to no true passion for having a legit scene here. giving the weird otaku their own stage isnt supposed to be a thing at all. so its about screwing around and building clout for their friends or whatever flavor of the month vtuber the former brony shareholders are jorkin it to

>>10960792
>>10960788
I come here for an idol show, not for dancing cosplayers, not for vtubers, and not for out of synch light stick shiters
>>10960801
100%
They would rather be a big fish in a small pond rather than a small fish in a big pond.

Tell me you know nothing nor care about idol culture without telling me

>muh idol culture
shut the fuck up and learn how to sing live

>>10960804
I’ve been to idol festivals and they don’t let random otaku on stage to wave their lightsticks around for 10 minutes before the actual show. People want to see the IDOLS. If you knew anything about idol culture. And like others mentioned above, they’re not particularly well coordinated or impressive. Half the time it looks like 6 people doing different routines to different songs which nobody wants to see when they’re going to see idols perform

>>10960801
respectfully, you sound retarded.
I agree that vtubers don't need to be included in idol fests and cosfags are annoying.
But if you were an actual idol yourself, you would be able to appreciate what Aniwaza is doing. granted, I to think they can be cringe at times overdoing the stunts and stuff. however, what many idols complain about is not having a crowd to understands how to do call and mix and use penlights. aniwaza and those inside help spread that culture which helps fans feel more involved in the process of cheering on idols and idols feel more appreciated. ashes annoys me too, but she at least helps spread call and mix culture which greatly benefits idols.

>>10960807
It’s almost like the idol scene is…changing!
Wow that’s crazy who knew that a community could grow and change.
Don’t like aniwaza? Don’t go to their performance. But stop being a whiny baby about it and ignore the fact that aniwaza and uchishi have ALWAYS had a place in idol culture since the 90s

Also, you’re most likely referring to a wazaren, where they quite typically do DIFFERENT WAZA from each other after the first waza.

I’m just saying complaining just to complain is a really sad way to live
And it’s ignorant to blatantly ignore the relationship between idols and wotagei.

>>10960810
don’t have much of a choice when they open at idol fests do you? Also nice selfposting aniwaza, nobody else knows those words except you lot

Ask 10 idols and 9 of them will tell you they love the wota calls and seeing the penlights in the audience. Often that's the only thing they can see because because of the stagelights hitting their eyes. It's a give and take, an exchange, a feedback loop like others said.
If the wotas are off beat or out of sync then they should be criticized as much as a singer going off-key.

>>10960811
Then just don’t watch the opener, if it annoys you so bad don’t camp a show early for good spots if your idols are tainted by a performance art born from idols.

No I’m not aniwaza, not even an uchishi, i don’t do wotagei, but there’s many wotagei groups now in NA, just because you don’t know shit about it doesn’t mean anyone who’s done their research is a selfposter,,, I’m just a wota who loves her history, get over yourself.

>>10960811
if it's them who cares? they deserve to defend themselves against retards like you

I don’t think wota should be performing at idol events like Anizawa is, but having them as an opener to teach and demonstrate wota before a show is fine. Just have them do stuff before the idols, not instead of idols.
Wish they didn’t support replacing idols with v tubers though.

>>10960834
correct, but this sub will call you a retard for saying this it seems

>>10960834
That’s what aniwaza and other teams have been doing the whole time. They even get invited by idols like phoebe to be backup dancers. That’s why it’s easy to tell who’s arguing is complete bullshit or not.

looks like nonas really struck aniwazas nerves lmao

>>10960834
How much you want to bet USIF is only allowing vtubers because Ashes started being a vtuber and it's the only way she can make herself a guest as an "idol" lol

>>10960839
this. but most of the staff are males so you can't expect them to have respect for flesh women.

>>10960809
i know ur in anizawa because call and mix culture isnt this big thing that needs attention drawn to it like a lot of you weebs seem to think. if you go see idols in other countries,even if routines are learned and being practiced the focus is still on the idols.the big wotagei groups dont intrude even if they have a big following. giving u faggots a segment is like yelling h-o-t-t-o-g-o at a Chappell roan concert and insisting you should get a slot before her lolllol this is why wota get a bad rep

I am actually so tired of seeing maid groups within the idolspace. can you guys please just stay in your little cafes and serve juice boxes and walmart cookies!!! because maids ≠ idol. just make an idol group if you want to do it so bad ty ty

i came here to see what people had to say about la idol matsuri vs us idol fest happening in the same month, but...
>>10960834
>>10960839
>>10960851
why are you so hellbent on gatekeeping especially when the people spending all the money and inviting their friends and attending every event enjoy the stuff you don't like.
if you don't like something there is nothing stopping you from taking a break and playing on your phone like a normal person.
>>10960848
some of you people here are downright psycho. please do not stand near anyone.

Okay but no, maids in idol spaces is super frustrating. Maids are not idols. They're servers first and foremost. Also it's super frustrating to go to an idol festival and 90% of the lineup is maid groups

>>10960853
at least they're real people performing on stage though, but agree they should be in maid cafes and not on idol stages. but looks like us idol fes is a vtuber con like every other event so who fucking knows anymore

Vtubers on stage wouldn't be nearly as bad if they all did what pengy does. She gets out from behind her computer and works

>>10960853
The only difference between maids and idols is the budget and the purity policing. Concafe girls are all sluts that smoke behind the building on their breaks and will brush your dick or rub your arm on their boobs for the measly price of 20 chekis.
That doesn't exist in the us, so what exactly is triggering you?

>>10960850
I am absolutely not in aniwaza. I'm an actual kaigai idol who doesn't cosplay and has original music lmao.

I think they're fun as long as they don't hurt others. Japanese idol live have people going crazy in the pit. it's fun and as a performer I've only had a couple of performances with exciting wota that made me feel very validated.

But as other anons mentioned, Aniwaza is also a performance group. Maybe their performance isn't the best, but it's still a part of idol culture and Japanese fandom culture. I'd prefer to see them over vtubers.

What's your REAL issue? You don't like ashes? you have some issue with them personally? you're an idol who got rejected and think they stole your spot? or you wish you could get up and do something like them, but you fee too shy? tell us the truth.

>>10960857
2.5d idols are the only kind of vtuber I can respect who do this stuff "live"

>>10960859
this is so cringe please stop

>>10960860
The hype levels at Idol Harmony between Keeki being fully in person, Pengy and Phoebe being 2.5D, and then Pia and Pandora being just 2D was so different

I just want to see cute idols but as an American I feel like that’s asking for too much, even from organized idol events. Guess we can only really get our fix half way across the world….

>>10960863
honestly tho. either you live in california and are blessed or youre fucked. also if i wanted to see maids dance, id go to a maid cafe not an idolfest

>>10960859
might as well just name drop at this point since you're getting pretty damn close lmfao

>>10960866
it sounds like aden lol

>>10960868
Didn't Aden whine and moan about how being friends with Ashes didn't automatically entitle them to a guest slot at NWIF? Glad to see throwing a fit worked for them.

>>10960868
I wouldn't call that music

so who else is likely to perform now that it’s apparent fucking vtubers are gonna take up half the con?

boooooo the lineup is ass so far lol
anizawas presence is the result of anime autists romanticizing and hyper fixating on things that ppl barely care about in japan because theyre desperate to feel special. its snowflake syndrome because how else will mostly unattractive and untalented ppl thrust themselves into the fandom spotlight?
Call and mix is a thing but having whole panels and performances dedicated to it is unnecessary. if they want to make their own little dance club in the audience thats fine, but this is us IDOL festival
with how little idol programming there is across the country their spot should’ve gone to another idol group

>>10960878
>their spot should’ve gone to another idol group
you all are unironically acting like "dey took er jobs" disingenuous conservatives. if you are popular and draw fans and non mental they'd just add you in and make the schedule longer.

>>10960880
Considering original idols have been working their asses off to grow opportunities and spaces for themselves where they aren't shoved in between cosplay and k-pop (and now fuckin vtubers), I think it's valid to be upset.

Call me crazy but if I’m paying admission into an idol fest I. . . gasp!
Probably want to see idols. It’s almost as if that circle lurks here and can’t grasp why this would be frustrating.

>>10960869
Aden has no business appearing as a guest either. Just another instance of that bunch forcefully injecting themselves into things. I’m just not excited for yet another theythem with poor hygiene and unlistenable original songs. What’s next, Alex Pinku?

At least wotagei people put substantial effort and have physical impressive performances. Meanwhile Vtubers can just send in a video file of them bouncing around on a screen or sit at home and do nothing and there's dozens of them at these events. Even Maid Cafe girls put effort into their appearances and performances. Vtubers have many events for themselves already. The wotagei people are fine.
What idols can you even think of that have the accessibility to go to this that haven't gotten in that wanted to? "Taking a spot from someone else" my ass.

>Idols belong on stage
>Wotagei belong on the audience
>Vtubers belong in the streams
>dancing cospalyers belong in tiktok
its not that complicated

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>>10960888
this shit is beyond retarded

>>10960887
I'm coming from the vtuber side of things, Idol Harmony was my first in person idol show, and yeah this really seems to be the way to do it, thats where each of those type of performer shines the best

>>10960890 (me)
If the vtubers have a 3D model and theres a convincing screen it can work, but when its just live2d its kinda lame in a venue, especially alongside actual performers who have choreo

>>10960890
idol harmony was fucking evil for scheduling the same weekend as otakon during their idol programming. kaigai idols really just get fucked over left and right by vtubers

>>10960883
>>10960885
>>10960887
>I think it's valid to be upset.
The problem is you're wrong. What you are demanding is not viable even in Japan let alone in the us. In japan every locodol stage and non sponsored idol fest is flanked on all sides by random crap that idol fans don't care about. grandparents doing bon, cheerleaders showing their panties, and rapper/djs trying to make will smith seem cool, and of course maids and anisong.
It's surprising that idol events can even be held in the us in the first place.

>>10960894
ur just lying now.there are only events like this for groups that have zero fanbase or management.. like u lol most chika idols can keep the rowdy otaku off the stage.

>>10960895
What you know about idols is only the top 0.1% based in tokyo or osaka. Not locodols. And not small idol events. LA is not tokyo it's not even sapporo. The population of weebs makes la about the size of a bumfuck nowhere city in japan you've never even heard of. Even with 110k people in the immediate vicinity for anime expo only a few dozen people will show up to an idol event.
So now that you have the correct mindset, you can then compare an LA idol show to one you might see in Kochi or Saga.
Search for any city with a population less than 150k on youtube and marvel at the food festivals, holiday celebrations, malls, and parking lots you will find. All free venues.
Now go look where us idol fest is, a hotel that costs probably $2k a day just to rent the room.
It's easy to see beggars can't be choosers.

>>10960905
and yet almost all of those small idol centered events still don’t let random sweaty men flail around on stage. try again kek

>>10960905
This has to be Aden.

>>10960908
aden isn't this smart about japanese idol culture. i get it that aden is annoying and their music sucks, but constantly bringing them up is weird. this sounds like some dude who did the jet program or has visited japan over the course of ten years plus.

>>10960912
its the same self proclaimed kaigai-idol that snapped earlier defending anizawa’s uncoordinated clownery.it also sounds like an idol thats been forced to perform at glorified talent shows, not real chika events, while in japan kek

>>10960908
nah probably ashes or one of those people

>>10960907
>don’t let random sweaty men flail around on stage
I literally just gave you some examples of stuff I've had to feign attention through while waiting for idols.
>>10960920
>>10960913
Unaffiliated. I just saw the anime expo turnout, and thought that it was interesting that LA is getting local events now so I came here to talk about it and only found weirdos crying.

>>10960924
They are annoying. These retarded fans are usually the type who learned about idol culture through Love Live. Prior to listening to music from the series, the only J-pop they were a fan of was vocaloid. They also usually are gen z.

>>10960924
I’ve sat through my fair share of Japanese shows too and have never encountered this problem, so it’s probably just the type of groups you’re interested in and still nothing to strive for in the US.

Hope this helps!

>>10960939
Ok bitch.

You can easily tell who are the Idol/J-pop fans and the Anime Idol music fans.
Anime idol music fans are outwardly annoying when an anime song pops up but are dumfounded when a non-anime song pops up

>>10960924
LA Scene has a lot of good idols but the cons are sadly owned by shiters like SuperMelody and irodori idols

US idol fes announced even more vtubers this morning wow big shocker

>>10960958
So we have 6 idols and 3 v tubers so far…
Do we think it’ll be even or more v tubers than idols?

what sort of posts do you like seeing from idols? do you like seeing a bunch of dance reels, or selfies in cute outfits, or only things from live performances? would you go back and watch if an idol posted a full performance on youtube?

>>10960967
all of them? what kind of question even is this?

Saw Oyasumimi perform for the first time this past weekend, they both sounded great! Definitely refreshing after seeing so much super melody… I saw someone here say they always look dirty and I can’t help but always think of that now. On the other hand what’s up with new debuts but it’s just regular looking white women who don’t even try to wear jfashion or idol esq outfits… aka crispy and mikumiku

>>10960967
i think there is no clear answer to this question because it always depends on your popularity status as an idol. people will eat up dance reels, selfies and live performances if you are a well-known idol regardless of your dance skill, how attractive you are or how good of a performer you are. some of the most beautiful idols get zero comments on some of their pictures, some great dancers get zero comments on their videos and so on. all just because they are not big and hyped by the general community.

>>10960967
Fans will say they want full performance videos but then not watch them. It depends a lot on whether you have high vocal or dance skills, or whether you can actually do something interesting or funny on stage.
Better bang for your buck is probably dance reels with some memes thrown in, or shorter highligts of your best moments on stage.
In the end you should experiment with different kinds of content to see what works. If you have a local community of idols in your area, maybe you can compare notes on social media performance? Or try asking on IIN discord.

>>10960971
Honestly I’ve been thinking the same thing. They don’t even try to look like idols at all.

>>10960972
beautiful kaigai idols exist? kek

>>10960971
Oyasumimi are easily in the top 3 in LA
crispy is part of irodori idols and i feel like you get why i hate irodori idols/Super Melody

MikuMiku is a cosplayer/dancer and she officially just debuted as a kaigai idol and started to sing in stage

If your love is to dance (not sing) how do you even get obese. I understand being fat, since there's plenty of people that exercise every day and are still fat. but some of these "idols" are like 200+ pounds. You clearly don't like dancing, and only do it occassionally.
It reminds me of rich people that buy their way into the olympics just to say they are an olympian.

>>10960998
you can exercise regularly and still be obese. just dancing alone for idol stuff won't do anything unless you're doing it really intensely multiple days a week and also eating a healthy diet. it's quite common actually. assuming someone is lazy just because they're fat is stupid

>>10960998
can't outrun a bad diet

>>10960999
>>10961000
Dancing is an extremely aerobic activity. Despite that I've never seen a non drunk idol puke on stage, Not overeating is forced on you.
Unless you have some genetic predisposition, if you're obese you're just not dancing that much.

>>10961002
>extremely aerobic
have you seen typical japanese idol choreography?

>>10961002
This is j pop not k pop retard

And here comes the obese kpop losers.
>muh talent
>muh hardwork
>feeling the need to specify idol with a japanese qualifier
kys

>>10961057
you sound like an autistic moid

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yumola

>>10961094
can you and your facetune shut the fuck up?

>>10961105
she's pretty in person but the overediting just pisses me off and makes me think she has low self esteem, and therefore makes me respect her slightly less

>>10961111
she’s prettier without the whitewashed unrealistic editing. i’ve seen her manager make her refuse to take photos with fans, i wonder if it’s for the editing

>>10961094
bro u gotta chill on the gooning cuz this thread of is full of jealous idols. theyre gonna criticize her or make backhanded compliments instead of just agreeing lol

im retarded so double reply but is cherie rich? just saw that shes making an mv and hinted at touring in a country that isnt japan or us.she doesnt ever do crowdfunding but she seems to be able to dedicate almost all of her time to idoling. whats her deal?

>>10961114
And whenever someone agrees they automatically assume self posting lmfao. Sorry that not everyone is gonna hate on the person you’re hating on

>>10961116
she edits much less than your average japanese idol so its obvious whos nitpicking. even peeped it after otakon when they came here to say her performance was average lol dont get me wrong i think shes hot too, but horny moids need to find somewhere else to goon

>>10961117
Anon you and I both know that won’t happen

there's 3 pics in this whole thread, but everyone is a horny man coming here to jerk off.
don't skip your meds.

>>10961115
I wonder that too because she doesn't work? She mentioned that she does idol full time and before that she was a hair and makeup artist, but I can't imagine her making bank with that.

Does anyone know and good idols who are open about balancing a full time job while doing idol stuff? It seems like even Berry, Paida and Phoebe don't work regular jobs and just do idol stuff full time.

>>10961125
she has a job, they pay for her to go to japan. shes lying.

>>10961125
>>10961126
i vaguely remember her mentioning in an ama that she still does hair. i think she said it was singers and idols, so maybe they’re celebrity customers? that would explain all the industry ties. i can’t imagine it’s a normal job if she has all this time to travel and focus on idol activities, especially if she’s involved in every step. it’s basically impossible. it might also be unrelated, but she keeps saying that her idol activities are linked to her survival. no idea wtf that means. maybe she invested a lot of money into it but who knows.

>>10961128
industry connections like who? knowing others who perform in underground venues aren't necessarily industry connections, more like creative peers. industry would mean people tied to the industry itself as in corporate world

Kierabat is back to acting like her delusional entitled self nothing new She finally got a little bit of attention and thinks shes better than some chronically ill girl whos upset over some opportunity shes ineligible for while literally being on her level. She never deserved her japan chances with the way shes acting out on the akibamusicoffical s 3 days left for scouting post going as far as to accuse the poor girl of having alt accounts. Her power rampage needs to be put to an end once and for all she had no reason to get into that other idols buisness when she was speaking on ineligiblity which is something Kiera is blind to being granted.

>>10961147
which one of your 12 accounts did you write this from

She isn’t some weird anomaly. I don’t give a shit how much money she has if she’s talented. None of yall would feel this way if you weren’t treating the community like how anon phrased it, a glorified talent show. If you lack discipline just say that kek
>>10961129
It’s already been discussed here. A chunk of her followers are label reps. Think Sony Music. She said she goes to NY for business too, so she can’t be completely unemployed.

>>10961148
NAYRT anon you sound kinda dumb here. Don't need an account to post here. Also do we even have proof that those are alts?

>>10961150
my anon in christ you don’t need “proof” lmfao. the same 12 accounts liking all the comments backing the same people up like a circle jerk? even using their defunct idol group’s account, you’d have to be a fucking fool to not connect the dots. and that’s only if you don’t have the brains to simply click on the accounts and see the pictures are all of the same person. having the gall to come here and talk shit about somebody else when you’re posing as a 13 year old to sell pics for robux is embarrassing. seek help

>>10961150
if you literally just clicked on all of those alts on the og post you'd see the same persons face, they just came here to cry about being called unprofessional and used alts to make themselves seem right, including the one made to sell photos to pedos lmao

>>10961147
what is going on? this sounds very specific with zero context

>>10961151
I see some accounts with a face but not others. One is private.one seems to be a callout account, so I can’t see all of them being alts but some yeah. I’d do digging but I’m not gonna make a burner for drama.

>>10961152
Different anon but the face looks different on the pedo account. That’s a bot so just report and move on.

This person has lots of alts but I can tell the people liking their comments are mostly bots.

>>10961159
it was an AI generated image of her face lmao she already deleted and privated those accounts since she got caught if you're smart enough you can hold down on the likes and see this is literally the same person. its not rocket science.

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Pookies here stalking the threads but shes "soo employed" Being a swiftie automatically puts herself on a basic poser bitch pedalstal. When i said fake goth i meant poser in general. Bitch doesnt even call herself an idol anymore but feels its her god given right to get up into someone else's buisness what a whore