New thread since the last one reached the limit and is about to be archived.Are any of you attending Otakon this weekend? Any acts you're excited to see?Who's your oshi?
I really liked Pengy's show. Live vocals, her voice is powerful, it was fun.
>>10958601Honestly, you can never go wrong with her in terms of vocal work. I was very pleased to hear her vocals live, as this was my first ever time at Otakon and hearing her in person.
kaigai idols make good original music challenge (impossible)
kaigai idols should focus on making their singing better and learn different songs
Most "kaigai" idols should focus on singing in the first place. Many just dance and call it a day. Besides that, this community should stop glorifying mediocre vocalists. Saw a person calling Berry an "outstanding singer" the other day... outstandingly mediocre?
>>10958791>>10958810>>10958825n00b alert
>>10958825There are a few diamonds in the rough as far as I know. But Berry isn’t one of those. She could get some vocal coaching and maybe my opinion might change. As of now, it remains stagnant.
I honestly wouldnt hate Super Melody/irodori idols as much if they didnt have their friends bring tripods and block the front row every time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYG1634vN6ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8msqhzt5lI
I was at Idol Harmony for Keeki but Pengy and Phoebe are premium cuties
>>10958839Why do you care so much about viewing them up close? they're mid anyway. creep.
So who saw Berry's latest "apology"? It's obvious she read through the threads last time. What a half assed non-apology with basically "sorry for FEELING".
>>10958898Because the same tripods purposely block people from watching other idols.
>>10958899the way she speaks just sounds so annoying. I think she speeds up the audio which makes it sound weird.I don't even think she needs to applogize for anything. girl if you wanna prove people wrong, then do it. announcing she got signed by weaving it into this monologue is weird in my view. glad to know she realizes she's undeserving though. never forget that berry. your numbers are out of pity, not pure talent or charisma.
Berry's haters are annoying and so is Berry's passive aggressiveness response. But i do find it funny how she was in a relationship with another women
>>10958927how is that funny? she gives bisexual vibes off either way just like every other white american weeb woman with colored hair.
>>10958927Her being bisexual has nothing to do with her being annoying
>>10958932It's funny because she looks lost and uncomfortable in her ex photos, while Berry deleted her past photos
>>10958927I'm not even a berry hater. I want to like her but she makes it so fucking hard by constantly being in some sort of shit. I'm glad she signed on with someone because now they can actually give her PR experience and wrangle her when she's being retarded.
>>10958910I'm not buying that she got signed until there's actual proof. All she said was that she wasn't independent anymore. She might have just got another friend to play manager for her.Her video was pathetic. She clearly read the threads, saw that everyone hates her "pity me" approaches, and then proceeded to make a video begging for more pity. After three years, there is still nothing compelling or particularly special about her. She's not growing or changing in any meaningful way. She is a 30-something year old has-been trying to cling to her youth. "Berry" sad to watch.
>>10958948watch it just be "signed" with fake star or something similar which just means you have a booking agent.being signed is supposed to mean that you got a deal with a label meaning that you signed a contract to be under their management and they work a deal where you release x amount of songs under x amount of years and they have a percentage of the royalties etc, it varies
>>10958948and yes, beyond going viral and getting a hate mob, there is nothing interesting about her. she doesn't show depth or potential to have artistic longevity, which is still important for idols especially soloists. as a grown woman, can't she pull from life experience? or is all her life experience just being a white weeb into fandom culture? it would be different if she had an amazing voice or strong dance skills. both are just, okay, not amazing but not horrible. even in just her personal branding and costume design lack originality or clear vision.compared to idols like phoebe, cherie ife, paida, pengy. it's too obvious berry was thrown into the spotlight without figuring herself out first.
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why is that lennie peach girl so overly confident? girl its just annoying. you aint taking any world by storm and also arent the 'cutest' like you claim to be bffr. something that turns me off from certain kaigai idols is them not being humble and praising themselves all the time, especially when they dont even live up to it.
>>10958985prove youre not a vendettaposter. I've seen nothing but cute things from lennie. Never got that vibe at all.
>>10958990prove youre not self-posting. right, how should either of us prove anything? we're on an anonymous thread and my opinion is my opinion.
>>10958992your opinion has zero basis in reality and you have no source. Why even bother being pissy about someone so small?
>>10958999haha you sound incredibly butthurt. 'zero basis in reality!1!!1' when what i said was literally shit you can find on her profile, e.g. the 'taking the world by storm' and 'cutest you've ever seen' gimmick. that doesnt sound very humble to me and you seem to be either self-posting or a crazy sjw whiteknight who needs to step back. bet you didnt tell anons to stop being pissy about someone small when they were nonstop shitting on freyja kek.
>>10958985you're right. if that person was actually conventionally attractive, people would call them stuck up and arrogant. it's a gen z thing to use hyperbole for confidence. plus, hamu cotton also uses the phrase hamustar. who's gonna win the hamu-off?
>>10959004like every idol does that, you people never bitch when a conventionally attractive or asian one does the shtick. I never post here but lennie peach legitimately is like one of the least offensive and annoying ones.
anyone going to mention keekihime's temper tantrum because she couldn't sell out the 9:30 club? she's such an insufferable cunt
>>10959039It’s extremely disappointing to see. Otakon’s programming this year was truly quality especially Anibeat and even Now Presenting had some promising first timers. Idol Harmony (No, not “her concert” like she tried to claim it to be, I found that incredibly insulting to the other performers) also looked incredible on top of having a packed crowd. Why did she need to spoil the fun weekend for people who went to either/both? She should go back to hiding behind her model, maybe she can pretend to be a more humble person as Kiara because clearly her in person self is a diva.
>>10959032who else actually says that who isn't autistic?
>>10959043she's overrated. the only thing she has going on for her is the fact that she was one of the early people in this, she's attractive enough for gooners, and has connections in japan. outside of that, she's boring. phoebe and pengy probably had herself feeling like an idol fraud.
>>10958868based appreciatorI caught Otakon on Friday, IH on Saturday, and Otakon again on Sunday.
can anyone recommend lesser known or starting out groups/soloists? i’m tired of the same few “popular” girls on my feed and i want something new. honestly i don’t care if they have music out or not, something to drown out berry chan desu
>>10959032name me three other idols that think so highly of themselves. i'm waiting.
>>10959053what is your criteria? attractive? good at singing and dancing? don't care?
no criteria honestly. like i said i don’t care if there’s music out or not, dance skills good or bad. appearance isn’t something that i take into consideration. i’m new to this scene so finding people that don’t already have hundreds of followers and being fed to me by the algorithm is hard, so any recommendations are appreciated! >>10959056
>>10959057there are different idols who have been featured in International Idol Network's online zine, so that's a good start
>>10959057for starters you can find some good overshadowed ones in virtual showcase lineups. those are usually small idols who dont really get chances to perform in person even if theyre solid. i definitely recommend idols outside of north america too. like south america, australia or even europe. asia of course too, they have very solid groups that are not really getting any spotlight in this community. the average quality rises when you start looking for idols outside of the us in my humble opinion, the scenes just sometimes arent as big.
>>10959039>keekihimehonestly who the fuck caresshe has a pretty face, is annoying, tries to lesbait a lother music under kiara is a poor copy of the Sweedish composed pop songs that popular is popular within the kpop music scenerather watch billlie than her concert
>>10959043this is such an oversensitive take. Many people say "my show" when they talk about a show they performed at even if they weren't the only person on the lineup. same goes for an actor saying "thanks for watching my movie" when clearly the actor isn't the only star in the movie. Also who said what exactly about one stage being better than another?
>>10958791https://open.spotify.com/artist/7fJKNFZ9AQfdkPgGFdxhZz
>>10959055berrymaeve de voekeekihimeim not going to be wasting my time naming all of them. thats the point of the schtick you moron. it's a character.
>>10958985Lennie:>is outwardly nice>has a cutesy demeanor with enthusiasm for her brand and act>produces good content>doesnt get into shitflingingI seriously don't see why this is the idol you choose to shit on for being, what, confident in herself? People like you are the reason the threads always shit up and nobody talks about any newer or smaller idols.
>>10959082yeah nobody likes that schtick. berry and keekihime dont apply anyway.
>>10959083why are you all so butthurt lmao? you would be the first person to go shit on people like freyja, adora or serena songbird. fucking lennie peach whiteknight sjws, yall are almost as annoying as those pan ranger sjw moids.
>>10959085If I told you Adora was my oshi what then nonnie? What's with these specific names you're throwing out?
>>10959066if i wanted to listen to moniis boring music i would listen reso
>>10959085if you want fans who will go to war for you, just be fat white and queer
>>10959078this is so milquetoast
naming paida, berry, nonsweet, alexis, jubesy, pan ranger and aden (especially the first 3) as your oshis is the biggest newgen behavior ever, i always see other idols do that. tells me you only know the bigger names and dont give a shit about nobody else because there is no hype around them.
>>10959113>dont give a shit about nobody else because there is no hype around them.This is a normal thing to do anon... How can you care about someone if you don't know they exist?
>>10959113>biggest newgen behavior everthats because your old gen is shit full of people who only dance and cosplay to lovelive
>>10959124paida is very much oldgen. she's been at this stuff since 2016 practically
>>10959113People don’t wanna mention their unpopular oshis here because it’s asking for people to attack them.
>>10959149>because it’s asking for people to attack them.Why on earth would someone do that? I've been to several cons with small time idol acts and even the ones I thought were mid were still fun.
>>10959157Have you seen the last two threads?
>>10959149this isn't the place to learn about new idols. this is a place to talk shit and be a bitch.
>>10958899I wasn't paying attention so I don't know when it exactly happened, but she deleted this already. She either realized she made it too obvious that she was reading this thread or she's fuming because we laughed at her. Kinda surprised though, it looked like it was gaining lots of views and she wants that social media engagement money more than anything since idoling doesn't seem to be paying the bills. Wonder what the reasoning was.
>>10959184She truly isn't genuine. She can't even clap back and mean it. The least you can do is stand strong in your defense about yourself. If you want to own the haters, then own them and mean it. And if you're not that strong of a person, then just don't even bother. Berry, just be yourself. The passive aggressive tough bitch act doesn't work. You also can't be the sweetest most cutest innocent idol in the world either at your age and also with being a bisexual white fandom weeb. The thing people like about idols a lot is when they own their unique quirks (fangirling over a male idol playboy is not a quirk.) Hopefully being signed and with proper management, there is a personality consultant to help market yourself better in a more genuine way that is still appealing to people, if that's possible.
>>10958578long review of otakon idol shows incomingtl;dr this event had a great idol scene present and there were a lot of talented performers, highly recommend people who want to go to a con and see as many idols as possible. i only went saturday but heard good things about other days from friendsgoing in order of this photo:aniwaza was a wotagei performance group that seemed to have a lot of presence in performances this weekend. they were cool.pengy was on her absolute a-game this weekend. probably one of the strongest performers ive seen. voice, energy, outfit, every thing was there. i missed idol harmony but i heard it was even better there.see.ker was an unexpected crowd winner. they sounded great live, mixed in plenty of crowd interaction, and know how to perform. i'm disappointed it was their last show but not surprising after melancholiaah graduateditalia was cute and had good stage presence, and had a lot of vocal potential. cute is most of what i remember about heruwwr is not going to be everyones cup of tea but as a lover of alt idols they won me over. they called themselves a vomit themed idol, vocals were giving metal concertcherie was cute but the hype did not live up. for how much you people talk about her i just thought thered be more there. vocals were giving so i hope theres something to draw me next time.i blame a certain old not-cosplay-but-wear-wigs group for celestinas. they were a cute dance cover group, but im just over characters for idols at showcases like this. marthas vocals are always givingnonsweet was just as good as you expect them to be, even with changes into the three member group. nothing was missing with this new lineup, and they know how to win a crowd. i dont need to say anything about lady beardphoebe sang one song and her vocals sound exactly the same livesaturday night the most notable set was chiri girls/aden/alex pinkuchiri girls did some throw back songs from idols, and its a cute idea(1/2)
>>10959207chiri girls: i hadnt really seen them before this weekend, missed them on my radar i guess, but after seeing them live i listened to their original song and i like it!aden was much better than i expected, vocals are getting there i think, think they sound better live than recorded? alex pinku was not very good, but i wanted them to be. i think just dance covers would suit them more, but their dancing was suffering because of the vocals, which even when you could hear them they were just not good. ive seen them before and remembered them being better, but wouldnt go out of my way to see them again
i agree with most of these and you made a good point with cherie. she's pretty and a good singer (i enjoyed her kira kira gyaru summer show too) but there is too much hype on this thread. i guess it's also because her image and aesthetic is solid and she is above average looking in this community. still, her vocals arent as standout as people have described them to be and she doesnt really dance well, though its not really a requirement for me personally.
>>10959207>aniwazaThey do vtuber stuff sometimes as well which is where I've caught them, they're really talented.
>>10959208alex pinku's oshi is sayumi. they think they can get away with not knowing how to sing because that was their oshi's trademark. it's also no surprise that alex still sucks after all these years because they still believe anyone can be an idol and it's all just for fun. that mentality holds people back from actually challenging themselves. growth is a huge appeal for idols. Alex, it's fun for you, but the audience suffers. They support you out of pity and because you feel like a friend.
>>10959210it would help if she posted full performances online. then people know what they're getting themselves into. at least a full live performance of one song.
>>10959226Someone tried saying this years ago and got cancelled. Oop!
i agree that cherie needs full songs up, but personally, i became a big fan after ota.if shes a singing focused idol and really a newgen, hasnt she already surpassed ppl like alex pinku? she had a line of fans at the idol-space meet and greet too, so i see major potential with some polishing.the song concepts were cool too
>>10959232It's fine to want to do this just for fun.but if you are actively trying to do live performances in front of people, and you want to build a fanbase, and you want to apparently shine brighter than the sun, for the love of god, they need to stop being such a defensive person to criticism. if alex pinku was open to improving, by now they would actually be a good rock vocalist instead of cosplaying as a punk.
Berry just posted event information about an off-kai in partership with idle rage. I think that is the agency she claimed she signed with. They seem like a decent group but no wonder she took the video down. She made it sound way bigger than it actually was.
>>10959235 It really was nothing kek
>>10959233To chime in on one other point, this is her charm. I like the vocals but besides that, I get the impression she is 100 percent devoted to being an idol and improving.
>>10959238I haven't seen her live yet, but she's pretty, I like her music, and as long as she sings live and does a little choreo, that's enough for me.
>>10959233For me, I can forgive shortcomings with live vocal quality and dance skill because everything else about her is so polished. Her concept is strong, her music is good, and she's actually performing at multiple events both here and in Japan. Even if she's just okay at singing and dancing, her drive and passion make up for it for me.>>10959235Wasn't she already doing events with them anyway? That's double nothing.
if cherie was fat or ugly, none of you would hype her half as much.
>>10959244Well, duh. Looks are part of being an idol. Who would want to support an idol that's fat and ugly? Unless fat and ugly is what you find attractive or aesthetically pleasing. In which case, there are people like Alex or Berrybeanpie out there for you.
>>10959246Alexis*, sorry.
>>10959244pretty much everyone acknowledges that part of the reason why they like her is because she is pretty.but she works hard to be pretty. she's opened up about having procedures, she literally studied cosmetology and has been a professional hair and make up artist, she's open about her struggles with weight in the past so her current body is something she worked towards.I like to support idols who inspire me to be the best I can be. Fat and obese is not something that inspires me.
>>10959233she was just objectively better than alex. alex was the weakest performer i saw all weekend. vocals weren't there, dancing wasn't there, stage presence wasn't there. there's good reason other rock idols were in anibeat and alex wasn't.
I just listened to Cherie’s voice on that practice video she shared and her voice is def better than just okay kek With no autotune plus bad acoustics shes hitting some difficult notes with great breath control. If that’s her after only a year of practice, you bitches are cooked >>10959244That is the main idea of being an idol and where a lot of girls fall flat, but this is such a stupid take. Somebody like her is rare in this scene because she feels like a real idol straight out of Japan.Her music slaps and she does it all herself.DUH theres gonna be major appeal there.
>>10959252I'm glad people are realizing how overrated they are.THE definition of milquetoast.
can someone pls give genuine advice on how to seem more idol-like? from how to present myself, what type of content to post, etc.nonsweet for example seem like the epitome of idols and i as a newbie want to get there but need some clear aspects to really work on other than vocals, dance and stage presence.. it would be rlly helpful to get some advice from a wota pov
>>10959256the thing about non sweet is that, I honestly think they are a little boring, which ig is what makes them seem so idol-like. I like idols like paida who speak up about world issues and aren't afraid to goof on themselves. I still like and respect non sweet A LOT, but I would love to see a more silly less formal side of them online, if that exists. As long as they are being genuine, that's what matters tho.being seen as more idol-like is all about taking yourself seriously online. post pictures that don't have you looking sloppy. write captions and share content that is motivational and inspiring to others. an idol is as much of a cheerleader towards their fans as fans are a cheerleader to them after all. also other things that nonsweet do are no profanity, no lewd photos, no sexualizing themselves, all ages friendly shows and content, rarely ever complain on social media about anything. cute pics on top of cute pics.
>>10959233also the fact that she did that girl’s counterculture song live without running out of air. none kf the other idols in her block would even dare lol i have no choice but to stan
>>10959246berrybeanpie is still better than any of you ameretards idols.
>>10959277she/you really isn't/aren't.
>>10959277I had hopes for her original song, but the mixing is absolute dog shit because she did it herself.
>>10959278you all only have paida and berry and crying that you miss reso every second. you cunts have nothing compared to ausies
Keekihime cute
>>10959287the only comments about that group have been shade, who the fuck misses them?
>>10959289true fact!
>>10959287if you're gonna pitch the ausie scene to be so great in comparison, THAT is the person you use to begin your argument?But all american idols know that the aus scene is awesome and many look up to them and respect the infrastructure over there. You don't need to try to pit people against each other when there is actual admiration and respect between the two communities.
>>10959235$40 to take a walk through crowded Downtown Disney with Berry. Even from a fan's perspective, that wouldn't seem fair. How much are you going to get to talk with her or hang out with her if you're going to be fighting against the sea of people that is Downtown Disney in the summer?To whoever out there is considering paying for this: I'm sorry, but she isn't going to fuck you.
>>10959298the concept of an off-kai with her in a public space like that is too risky for her safety as well. of course I don't like her, and I don't think she deserves the numbers she gets, but I don't want her to get hurt or harassed in public. anyone who isn't a part of the group could easily join the meet too and secretly follow from afar. It would have been smarter to do a meeting inside a cafe in a private area or something. it can be a more controlled environment that can also ensure actually making a connection with her, if she even cares about that.off-kais in general seem very risky unless there is a security team involved. you just never know and I noticed that this is something a few idols are trying to do now.
>>10959287 lmao the baitaus scene is in the dumps. all the good groups disbanded, no news group rn lasts more than 6 months. whos left, amuse? they have to collab with paida to get any attention otherwise theyre too busy moonlighting as escortsthe rest of them went solo to japan and hows that going for them?america doesn't win in the quantity department but rn all the relevant acts are US based
>>10959287daaaaaamn you are butthurt as shit. berrybeanpie is fat, unattractive, not very talented and has an overdone concept that doesn't stand out or fit her much. are you miserably self-posting or just an aggressive wota with a fetish for women like her? nobody even said anything about the aussie scene because there are 100 times better and more appealing idols to be found there compared to berrybeanpie. something smells fishy here.
>>10959256i'd be happy if some more people could give advice!! thanks to the person that already did
>>10959256Look at Japanese idols you like and do what your favorite does.Pick one that posts on the social media you want to be active on. What kinds of things does she post on her story versus her TikTok? What kinds of captions does she write? How does she pose and edit her photos? How are her group's YouTube videos formatted? You don't have to copy everything exactly, but get a feel for what they're doing over there and see how you can apply it to yourself.
I'm (not) surprised at how American centered are most of you. I know English is your first language and you are from there, but when talking about worldwide kaigai idols, you completely ignore other European and especially Latin American idols who are accomplishing a lot despite coming from third world countries.
>>10959313I agree with you, but Europe and Latin America aren't third world by any means and that is common knowledge.Anyways, why don't you give us some idol recommendations from Europe and LA? Not counting huge ones like Lulu Bitto, Aya or Jemimemu.
>>10959313This site is based in the U.S. so most users will be American therefore their point of view will be American.
>>10959252clearly you didn’t see pan ranger’s set then. pan has been good before when I’ve seen them. The new costume that looks like my grandma’s curtains + 15 minute inside joke with Aden + constantly being out of breath was a hot mess. The EP songs aren’t bad, but their performance was a serious downgrade from previous times I’ve seen them. And definitely worse than Alex’s set. We all know Alex can’t sing. But there are a lot of jpop idols who can’t sing. Alex has good catchy music, is very cute, has good outfits and is a good dancer. I think that’s pretty good.
>>10959256look the part, have a healthy lifestyle, show some of your dancing on tiktok/instagram, dont be afraid to be original, don't talk about social or world issues
>>10959256From seeing their shows in person now, a big aspect is the care they take for their personal appearance. You can tell they all have nice hair cuts that are maintained, take care of their skin, they take time before meet and greet to touch themselves up etc. I’m not sure if any of them have had surgeries or anything extreme like that but it’s obvious they care about what they look like beyond just buying cute clothes and plastering on makeup. (Plus they DO have cute fits and their make up isn’t cakey and suits them each)I guess what >>10959257 said is true it can be a little bland but I do think they’re right, it’s a part of the appeal. They’re taking this as serious as they can despite the fact that it may not be their full time job. I’m not a performer but I definitely look for outfit and make up inspo from them like I would any idol or celebrity I follow. I’m pissed the fan expo show got announced so late otherwise I would’ve gone as it seems like they will do a live qna. I hope it’s filmed and posted and that people ask decent questions.
>>10959331I can't stand when idols do too much inside jokes. pan does this a lot and it leaves me utterly confused. not very welcoming for new fans.
>>10959357Pan, Aden and that whole brigade over there only gaf about stroking their own and each other's egos. They've made that abundantly clear. Don't let them hear that though cause they'll have a full blown crash out.
>>10959331Alex's solo music is very meh. It barely even gives the vibe of idol music. But I know they're working on an EP, so all I'm familiar with are their first few originals on YouTube. Flare's original song has potential but the mixing is dog shit and the lyrics are very wordy and don't flow well.
>>10959364I never understood the appeal of pan unless you're just a sweaty nerd that is a big fan of their concept. I also have a theory that many idols say they're nonbinary so they can avoid being held to female beauty standards. Makes no sense to be nonbinary but still wear dresses and make up and just look feminine and afab. A big trend in the northeast.
>>10959357This is my biggest pet peeve with kaigai idols. Just shut up and get to singing or dancing. The audience wants to hear your music. That’s why people like nonsweet. Sure they might be “boring” but they did an hour long set at otakon and talked for maybe 5 minutes or less, didn’t stop to get a fucking H2O chant, and sang and danced well the entire time. Now I don’t expect this stamina from a solo idol but cmon guys
>>10959379I still think chatting with the audience is important, but only if the idol has the speaking skills and charisma. Can't think of anyone who does as most are too autistic or have social anxiety.
>>10959368>I also have a theory that many idols say they're nonbinary so they can avoid being held to female beauty standards.you might be up to something, i hate they/them idols and i dont think they should be in an already niche scene. they are never good live and set the bar low
>>10959388I don't have any problems with nonbinary people in general but it's just funny that these are the idols who tend to not show much growth over time, crash out at the slightest bit of criticism that could actually improve themselves, and use excuses like how this is all just for fun as a way to avoid being called out on sucking. Mental health is also a scapegoat used to avoid accountability generally with these people too.
>>10959368this. i always distance myself from they/them or even weirder pronoun idols or overly vocal leftist idols. mental illness idols are also a thing that i can never get into because hell, i am here to see a good performance and hear good music and not hear about you victimizing yourself because of a mental illness or because you are so discriminated for your pronouns. if you are a normally behaving idol and one day just casually come out as whatever orientation and don't talk about it again, zero problem and good for you. but dont make it your identity man.also true, why are you calling yourself a guy and then you look like a really feminine woman? makes no sense. these people are usually also very mad if you misgender them. i also noticed that nonbinary idols usually do not look very good.
>>10959391to be fair, people can suddenly one day announce a change in their identity but that doesn't mean they just decided to over night randomly. they could have been thinking about it for a while and ruminating on announcing it. they also could have been cosplaying as something they weren't this whole time.I don't mind if people make their gender a identity as a focus of their idol stuff, but honestly I don't know many who do except for seeker or melancholiaah who transitioned while being an idol.
>>10959384I’m talking more about inside jokes of crashing out on stage rather than MCing. Talking about the weather, the city you’re visiting, asking the audience how they’re doing etc. is very good and normal. Sobbing during the middle of your set for no apparent reason also makes everyone uncomfortable too. I saw that at least 2 times this year at Otakon from different performers and it was kind of weird…like can we at least retain some sort of professionalism guys. I’ve seen lavendula a few times and last year she went off about how her Israeli friends were being held hostage and started crying during her show and this year she started crying during her FIRST SONG for no clear reason…get it together girl
i just stay away from nonbinary/they/them people overall. They tend to have mental issues and are a crash out waiting to happen. keep me away from that shit, im too old for other people's drama
>>10959399never heard of lavendula before but just looked them upnow why did you think a performance from someone with zero make up, zero hair styling, and no idol stage costume fashion sense would be good? that's your fault for walking in on that.
>>10959407Well it’s not like I went to see her, I was just in the room at the time for the other people before and after her…also she says she’s a professional singer so I expected something good but I wasn’t exactly impressed with either the singing or her conduct on stage
Anyone have experience on setting up an idol show?
>>10959411How were the other shows? Did you catch other ones in the idolspace throughout the weekend?Anything notable?
Anyone see the performers at the Santa Monica event?
>>10959442There wasn’t really much for the show. Just mostly people playing music or singing. Considering it was after the farmers market finished, it wasn’t all exciting. They even took the seats away from the area in front of the stage. So most of the audience dipped. Overall not much of an event at that point.
>>109594191) Have a good sound crew2) Make sure the people you work with have good connections3) Invite performers with interesting stuff4) DO SOUND CHECKS! This is very important for tech related issues beforehand.5) Choose a venue that will be comfortable for both the performers and the audience6) Pay attention to the dates for planning an event. Is there any other events happening the same day? What time(s)?
>ticketed event for Super MelodyBBAHAJAHJHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAI disliked them but now i hate them
>>10959450It’s crazy how it’s even possible for them to get a ticketed event. At least it isn’t Irodori Idols.
>>10959450I can't quite explain why, but Super Melody always look dirty to me.On the other hand, if people are willing to pay tix, who cares? I don't blame them for trying to make money or something
what's suddenly so bad about idols like super melody? you guys are starting to make no sense. i just looked them up and they seem fine, they sing and dance and don't hide behind wigs or "idolsonas". what is this hate about? why do you guys pick and choose who to hate and who to hype to death when they fulfill the same basic criteria? unless super melody are problematic whatsoever.
>>10959253There's practice done regularly and with intent and then there's practice whenever your adhd/depression/bpd lets you remember there's stuff you want to get better at and maybe get a few rounds in the week before a show.
>>10959244And yet somehow people still support pan ranger. Performance and stage presence can literally carry you, no matter what you look like.
>>10959256start following some JP idols and look for fan recordings of their performances and MC segments, and how they use social media.I see A LOT of kaigai idols bemoaning being bad at socials and then I see JP girls from tiny-ass groups with 1000 followers are making good morning/good night posts every day, posting multiple show reminders before a stage, thank you posts after a stage, selfies with other idols they like, tiktok dance challenges, random dance practices, and other things. You don't have to do EVERYTHING, but you should try to do enough to keep yourself in people's minds. The point is to remind people that you exist and you're doing stuff, and you're cooking behind the scenes.Writing style is another aspect but that's a really personal thing that will drain on you mentally if you try to really push a character persona for yourself that you don't click with. I've seen idols do hyper cutesy posts with their own made up cute-ified words but I don't know how well that would translate to english. Might be cringe or might be endearing if you can sell it well enough. On the other side of the spectrum I've seen chika idols make genuine and honest rage posts about their problems and struggles at their office day jobs and venting all their rage at both bad management and their own fumbles. (without spilling so many details that they doxx themselves)I think what a lot of kaigai idols could work on is their MC segments, because that's time when you can make the most showcase of your personality and when you can really work your gimmicks, if you have any. Sometimes I see girls struggle just to remember what points they want to make which drains the energy from the moment, or maybe they have anxiety when they're not dancing and get stiff. This is a segment where I think idols like Phoebe and pan get it right, and idols like Non Sweet could use a little less professionalism to loosen up, and most cosidol groups need to work on what they even want to say.
>>10959300I agree that off-kai meetings really should be in controlled access private spaces so you don't have randos being inappropriate from not knowing the rules, and should have at least 1 or 2 staff assisting for a soloist. Treat it like a mini cabaret style show for hardcore fans.
>>10959419>>10959449Seconding and thirding the good sound crew.Reach out to local weeb DJs or maybe con tech staff. (be prepared to pay for their time and/or equipment rental)Enforce hard deadlines for people to submit their audio files!!
Idols should make it obvious they are dating their staff,shame that maid cafes rely so heavily on parasocial relationship with people in the spectrum
>>10959419Choose people who you want to work with. It's not easy work to run an event so don't put all that effort towards people who don't deserve it, aren't reliable, and you don't even personally like that much. Don't feel pressured to include certain people on the lineup for the sake of your reputation. That being said, don't choose people just because they're your friend even though they suck. You need to have a high level of taste for this to work outside of conventions which is something that is hard to teach/learn.
What do you all think about idols who use art for their promotional materials and merch but the art of themselves is way skinnier than the way they look in real life? Cracks me up every time.
>>10959596you can say may, we all know who you're talking about
Is it me or are all the fat idols getting fatter? How do you still manage to be obese but have a physically demanding hobby like dancing and performing?
>>10959784no wonder they keep getting fatter when all this community does is hype them for being fat. not everything is directly obese of course but a decent amount of these idols are definitely obese to an unhealthy degree. the problem is that theyre lacking visuals, discipline and often talent in dancing too but still get hyped because of pity or because other fat idols feel the need to.
>>10959784you can't outrun a bad diet.but sometimes it is seriously hormonal. pcos is more common than you think and women's health isn't taken seriously enough for there to really be a permanwnt cure. going to the doctor and getting the right treatment to get things under control is expensive for idols living in shit hole usa.
>>10959419I run shows but not idols:What you'll need:>location with a stage, or rent a community hall and bring your own>sound equipment (some locations have this some dont)>optional: sound technician>actual idols>moneySetting up speakers and shit is braindead easy, but you can always hire a sound tech if you're worried about noise regulations or blowing out peoples ears.My recommendations for each:>Find existing venues that are already setup>Visit locations and scope them out firsthand, if they're sore for business it's easier to sell the idea>Keep your initial expectations low>don't expect a huge turnout for the first few times>Aim for locations with existing stage and sound setup>Have a solid schedule and setup at least an hour before the show>Make sure talents bring high quality versions of music, don't rely on shitty spotify quality unless it is a last resort>Advertise!>Don't expect to make any money off the niche hobby>If a venue is good to you, stick to that venue until you outgrow it
>>10959256Just make it seem like you're talking exactly to that one person reading your post, even though it is being read by 10s or 100s of people. Idol is a hugely parasocial field and so you need to make your audience feel a connection between you and them specifically
>>10959784Overwork leads to cramped schedules. Cramped schedule leads to inconsistent eating habits and poor diet choices favoring convenient but less healthy foods. Some people have bad situations at home that they can't leave because of economics or trauma, and the stress from that affects everything.
What’s up with all the idols graduating? Think they’re seeing these threads?
when did we start letting vtubers into the community? im not even referring to 2.5d people, but straight up 2d vtubers. i keep seeing them refer to themselves as idols.
>>10959937u.s. idol fes didn't start, but they support this crap that's for surethe one place we thought would put real kaigai idols first
>>10959900pregnant and or getting married.
>>10959900It’s probably burn out. Idol activities aren’t cut out for everyone as a long term thing.
A bunch of nobodies in the community crying about another nobody disagreeing with homosexual marriage is hilarious in a very pathetic way. Block and move on. Why is this community so drama-hungry? Always pulling the victim card and exaggerating shit, no wonder people don't take most kaigai idols seriously.
>>10960052these aren't kaigai idols they're love live cosplayers. literal whos. baited a girl into saying shes religious. the one who spread the screens is a DID larper too.
>>10959937I don't know if I fully support pushing vtubers into idol events, but I have to admit vtubers have done a lot more to expand idol culture and awareness of what idols are among the weeb community than most kaigai idols. Most mainstream vtubers have adopted the idol model of performance and performer/audience relationship styles, based on the japanese 3D idol culture. It's almost ironic that it takes 2D anime girls to promote the shared traditions and etiquette of the 3D scene.The other upside that vtubers bring to the idol scene is a focus on singing and vocalists, because it's so difficult (and EXPENSIVE) to put the tech together for a virtual dance performance. This is a big thing where the kaigai idol scene has lagged, because so many groups and soloists start out doing only dance covers and no singing. The lack of singing during idol showcases is something that has low key nagged at the back of my mind for years. So if the growth of vtubers doing singing concerts pushes more kaigai idols to do live vocals, then I think it's overall a good thing to have them.
>>10959900Finishing college and getting jobs, or finishing high school and going away to college. I don't think most girls even know about this place because it's so inactive apart from a few yahoos obsessed with Alexis and Pan.I still see a lot of new acts and faces every year so it's the normal cycle of things. For most people, idol life isn't going to be forever. It takes a special type to keep it going.
>>10958578kagai, but it's chile
>>10960054there is seriously no comparison between the two because one is "anime" and one is not.yeah vtubers aren't anime chracters like from an anime series, but they are drawings in anime art style, so they're lumped into "anime" world. people who like anime and choose 2d>3d will not cross over to kaigai idol fandom, which is pretty much the majority of vtuber fans. that's why they like vtubers, because they are anime. if they weren't into anime, they wouldn't be into vtubers, typically.it's almost like wondering why do people who like Kuroko no basket don't go out to watch live nba games.
>>10960054>vtubers have done a lot to expand idol cultureyeah let's cue interview of nyaruchuuu, who is now performing in an event hosted by a kaigai idol event organizer after calling all kaigai idols except non sweet fat and untalented. vtuber fans have no interest in becoming fans of real life idols because they can't goon to anime avatars. also getting up on stage and singing live is a hell of a lot harder than hiding behind a screen and doing it as a "character"
>>10960078“fat and untalented” as if vtubers arent probably all fatter use voice changers and dont even do the dances themselves
>>10960083Kaigai idols don't have to talk shit about vtubers because that would be punching down. Vtubers feel like it's ok to talk shit about kaigai idols because, when you talk shit about someone above you, it feels more empowering. The louder you are, the better it feels. But yeah vtubing is the one community where you can larp as a japanese girl while being an unwashed, smelly, fat ugly person.
>>10960095genuinely wondering what a kaigai idol has to do to get a big concert like what hololive did at animenyc. are they just cooked because most idols are 30 year old white women that people don't find attractive?
>>10960053>>10960052kek,who?
i dont know the appeal of vtubers in these live concerts because it feels like im just watching a youtube video of someone pretending to sing live. But there have been a few that have showed up live and HOLY SHIT do they mog most of the kagai idol scene by just singing really cute and being cute irlThe Kaigai Idol scene has a lot of overweight people or people who just smile dance, these people are protected by the same cohort who have been dominating the scene for a while
>>10960103if that's all you know about kaigai idols, then you really have no investment in this culture, and therefore that's why you can't imagine it getting big.realistically, it would take a kaigai idol to have:a decent discography of original musica social media following with big numbers and high engagementthe ability to perform live well as in singing live well, dancing live without getting tired, and ability to work a crowdindustry connections like a booking agency or just simply knowing people who can get them theredraw outside of a convention, which means a dedicated following willing to leave their house to see them live.
>>10960105Yeah the prerecorded concerts are pretty disappointing to see, at least coming from the big companies. If you ever get involved with con volunteering it's insane how difficult and expensive the convention centres and hotels make it to get decent internet so i'm willing to give a pass to indies on that.Sometimes they do live MC talk in between prerecorded songs, which is better but still not the same as a full live.You're right that vtubers do the "being cute" part better than most idols but I think it helps a lot to have that anime girl mask in front. Trying to pull off the same kind of sweet mannerisms as yourself on a stage has to be a lot more anxiety and self-cringe inducing.
>>10960105name every kaigai idol you know
>>10960108>anime girl maskthis. it's easy to sit in front of your computer in your bedroom without having taken a shower and mimic a character that isn't your real persona. and that's why I say it's not comparable. you can't compare the success of vtubers to kaigai idols lack of success because they are just two different fields. live indie music singers in general struggle with an audience. the crowds kaigai idols are able to pull at cons are actually incredibly impressive compared to what an actually talented indie singer new to live performing can do sometimes unless they are already performing in a niche community.
new original single drop from ember night. It's pretty cutehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qby_dD3fN0
>>10960111They break the stereotype that asians are the best at this genre.Mixing is shit as per usual, and not all members are at the same level of good looks. the contrast in appearances is horribly strong.
>>10960104apparently more than one of them, and they're all nobodies and not even actual idols i can point a name to. another outed themselves as "having DID" because they read the thread and they werent even the one i was talking about keki am not asteria btw. she's an idiot for saying the quiet part out loud for sure.
>>10960110>>10960108when i say they show up live i mean in person. Most of them just walk, sing, wave to the crowd but its a thousand times better than someone just dancing to a jpop song
Kaigai Idols that sing and dance > Singing Kaigai Idols > Jpop cover bands > Kpop Cover dance groups >>>>>>>>>>> Kaigai "idols" that dance to anime songs
Why haven't I seen tommy lately?Every time isee him in person I always assume he's trying to recruit another cosplayer, idol, or maid to do some of his x-rated photoshoots in his studio.
>>10960207Who the fuck is tommy
>>10960210SoCal a few idols/maids/cosplayers have shot there and the photographers they use shoot stuff that you would see in onlyfans. There's like a classroom, pink kitchen, and a 90s theme otaku room.
The Berry Offkai video was released.https://streamable.com/a021i2I really wish LA Idols would stop using the cheap "dream" filter for their photos and videos.The Filter is always over used, always blurry, colors are always looking like a shade of brown, and the lights are always too distracting.At least the awful starburst trend died.
>>10960253Of course Berry is a Disney adult.
>>10960258i hate disney adults as much as the next guy but that's actually a very jpop idol thing to do. look at any idol's twitter page. they LOVE disney
>>10960258>>10960282Yeah being into theme parks, especially Disney parks is extremely idol coded. It's a perfect fun day out with the girlies to dress up cute and enjoy a little fairy fantasy and whimsy.
