New thread since the last one reached the limit and is about to be archived.Who's your favorite out of all of the Akiba finalists?
>>10962774Fuck off shill, no one responded to your maid cafe thread so you had to hijack the idol thread to try and get people to talk about Moe Age or Strawberry Sunday
Alexis is on hiatus. Thank god. How is everyone else feeling?
>>10962774OyasumimiStrawberry SundayPhooebePengy
>>10962782maids are more idol like than kaigai idols in america. also strawberry sunday aren't maids >>10962774where is hamu? isn't she their founding artist? she should be at the top.
>>10962907I think this is just for idols who recently signed up for an opportunity to also work with akiba. Hamu already has a label with them, so she doesn’t need to participate in the event. Hence why she isn’t listed.
if this is akiba music’s picks i can safely say they have no idea what an idol is and will effectively flop. maids and vtubers begone
>>10962928the company is called akiba music, and the top music coming out of akihabara is vtumors the second biggest moneymaker is maids. so i think they're doing a good job. if they were called harajuku or shinjuku music i think you might have an argument.
>>10962820It felt inevitable. Alexis never seemed to have a clearly defined direction for her work. The EP had been delayed for ages, and instead of prioritizing that release, which should have been the key step toward establishing herself as an original idol and artist, she shifted her focus to group activities. The result speaks for itself: burnout, declining health, and an indefinite hiatus.The group’s expensive new costumes, designed by Marmalade, also raise questions. They appeared to be high-quality, yet were only used a handful of times. Investing heavily in production value without consistent activity or long-term planning rarely pays off. While everyone is free to spend their money as they wish, this kind of impulsive spending pattern is common among short-lived groups. Considering her financial situation and lack of clear prioritization, it seems Alexis has lost her sense of direction, and the outcome is not surprising.
>>10962941if that’s their main focus then they have nothing to do with idols. it’s just a generic talent agency for weebs.
>>10962947they don't need the opinion of a disabled canadian idol to run their company. and yes it is a talent agency for weebs, because why would anyone restrict their reach due to some misplaced tism.
>>10962949what are you rambling about i don’t think they have any canadian staff? its just disappointing that there are only a few small close to legit idol companies here and there and the best they can put out is shit like berry in a wig and her sorbet clone. the term has been bastardized here.
>>10962955there is an "idol" complaining about akiba music excluding them because they are canadian and disabled, without any common sense. exactly like you're doing. i think all their comments got deleted though. >its just disappointing anyone who invests money in kaigai idols loses it. there's no legit idol companies. it's unreasonable to criticize the company and demand how they spend their money. the only person to be disappointed in is yourself and other fans. it costs $0 to bring more people into the fanbase.
>>10962959that burgerland mindset is the reason its like this.theres no reason none of these companies can’t tighten up their standards to have groups resemble true idol systems.if theyre going to lose money either way, that cancels out your previous point of going where the money flows.it proves that most of this is ppl adopting the idol title to do whatever they want because it’s a buzzword right now.berry thrives on negative attention and just wants to be an influencer while ashes uses idol clout to get close to vtubers. without a doubt akiba music is grifting toowhat you get is a version of idols that just feels like cosplay.
>>10962963it will only work if a real music producer is at the core of the foundation, like shun with non sweet. idol is a music genre first and foremost, not cosplay, and not an anime thing.
>>10962959it absolutely costs money to bring more people into the fanbase. advertisements for events costs money. show production costs money. what are you talking about?
>>10962949>disabled canadian idolLMAO is it cosplay Tenko?the scene will never grow due to the shiters that don't take the craft seriously and think being subpar is enough
US “Idol” Fest17 idols, 28 vtubers
>>10962973And? V tubers are better. Who wants to see Nonsweet over FUWAMOCO?
>>10962982mewatching vtubers at a concert is fucking retarded unless they have a hologram.FWMC are perfect examples of shiters failing as idols and using vtuber as a way to stay relevant
another one is Mint Fantone who sells her likeness to different companies to make money and only pretends to care about the idol scene
>>10962984>her likeness to different companiesas in almost every vendor has some type of fantome merch
>>109629820/10 baitif you prefer to see a moving animation live in person over a 3d human, you have cognitive development issues
>>10962963if they succeeded as vtubers and not idols that just means that there's no customer base for idols. in japan there's no successful voice actor that has failed to translate that to real life events. whereas in america not even a single voice actor could have a successful music career
>>10962988there absolutely is a customer base for people that are tired of cosplayers, 2D, maids, whatever but it hasn’t been fully tapped into because all the autistic trannies running everything have ulterior motives.that being said, seeing as this is an idol thread, can we stop shitting it up with the former?
>>10962991>my opinion matters>there are hundreds of people like me.>it's the trannies faultleave your room. get diagnosed. and take your meds.
>>10962992Do you know where you are?
>*checks us idol fest twitter*why do these vtubers have more rules than kaigai idols. i could fart in there face and they wouldn't even know.
>>10962984everyone whos been in this community for like a year loves to hate mint fantome when she was a major member of this scene in another life. make it make sense.
>>10963000To make them look important. It’s funnier when it’s vtubers with only around 10k followers.
>>10963000>>10963005>thinking twitter is a good metric of popularityWhy have a VTuber hate boner when it’s helping us get exposed to new eyes? Do you feel the same way when idols perform at conventions with voice actors and content creators?
>>10963006I want irl idols to graduate from cons so we don’t have to deal with all the weeb shit desu
there needs to be a separate thread for vtubers and a separate thread for idols. They are not the same thing.
>>10963006Don’t bother replying. Most of us who leave our house aren’t insecure about VTubers.>>10963007Like it or not, kaigai idols will forever be seen as weeb shit.>>10963008Wait until you realize how many kaigai idols are also VTubers
>>10963006you clearly didn't read the posts in question before turning on the defensive brigade alarm. criticizing these mentally ill levels of accusatory imaginary vtuber headcanon is perfectly reasonable. there's enough vtubers where it's completely okay not to give terminally online neurotics a platform. the last thing this community needs is some neet trying to metoo autistic fans through a tablet screen. because a million other terminally online people will believe it.
first it was cosidols ruining this shit now its all the vtubers
>>10962988because voice actors are the laughing stock of the entertainment world and are getting replaced with celebs. there is a huge lack of artistry in america for that type of acting compared to japan.the american music world is highly democratized right now. the surefire way for a kaigai idol to have success is to just go viral and have their own community. paida, phoebe and berry have that going on for themselves.you cant expect america to have the same framework as japan therefore, comparing how success happens in japan vs america is a moot point.
>>10963032this isn't a problem when you have idols doing things at asian cultural festivals or live shows with non idols acts. free yourself from the con bubble.
>>10963033another entry for the worst post of the thread by the kpop reddit poster.
>>10963033how delusional do you have to be to post this in confidence? yikes.>>10963034I went to an asian culture festival with vtubers and they caused no issues. you have to be real insecure to feel threatened by vtubers.
>>10963060no matter how much you whine about people being bored with vtubers it doesn’t change the fact that they are different than idols. a live performer that has to physically show up and be attractive+entertaining vs 2D uggos that spend all day streaming. its not the same. make a different thread.
>>10963011‘’’most of us who leave our house’’ is crazy work considering the majority of vtubers and their fans are just musty shut-ins that cant find employment doing just that kek
>>10963063shut-ins stay at home. the people who go to live events are a selection bias which doesn't include shut ins. there are all types of vtuber fans, including ones with jobs that fly across the country for even minor events. there are no kaigai idol fans like that.
>>10963060who is getting intimidated by a drawing?
>>10963035same autistic fag not even coming up with a real reply. nothinb i said is wrong and i never mentioned kpop.
>>10963062please. bring back the girl on girl bitchiness on here. not the moid raid
>>10963064good. because imagine how mentally ill you must be to fly across the country for a minor event to meet others who worship a drawing.
>>10963062you brought up vtubers first? no one was talking about them until you’re condescending bitching. if you can’t stand vtubers being discussed, don’t bring them up in the first place.anyways, did anyone go to akiba live? when will we know the audition results?
>>10963064‘jobs’ and its just disability checks or mommy and daddy’s wallet while they stink up their basement. of course the only time you can get them to leave the gooning cave is to see their equally ‘’’chronically ill’’’ 2D waifus. the popularity of vtubers is actually really dystopian and a sign of a sick society to us normal ppl. make a new thread.
>>10963068somebody’s mad we don’t want to jork it to old white women pedobaiting as asian little girls
>>10963070Nobody cares about Akiba Live
can we take this vtumor hate boner to a different thread? this is turned into one guy spamming about a topic no one asked about
am i the only one who thinks cherie looks a bit unsettling nowadays? she used to be super attractive the previous years but now her face looks unproportional due to the makeup style, cosmetic surgery and even the faces she does.
his is the most dull discussion it's just vtubers and the queen of overediting. Any new stuff we can actually talk about?
>>10963076What race is she?
>>10963080Blaisan but tries to be wasian with the god damm whitewash editing.
Lipstick on her nose and the lip thing?
>>10963083It’s trendy idol makeup. More proof the trannies in here only watch love live.
>>10963076this song
>>10963084Not a tranny just I know how to blend my makeup.
>>10963086if you want to follow that particular trend you shouldnt blend, nona. they do it so it shows up in cheki or concert photography
>>10963077if you didn't notice we are actually talking about the upcoming event that these salty flaps are angry about. it's just thinly veiled as terf vtuber hate.
>>10963077KumoriCon Idol Fes this weekend, PAiDA is also doing a solo show at KumoriCon with some literal whos opening for her.Himichuu had their debut at Berry's birthday show and have a lot of events coming up, too.
>>10963072so you admit that you only care for vtubers for masturbation material?yep more reason why we don't need your audience. plus, there are many non white pretty kaigai idols, but you don't care about that. you just wanna talk shit and moid up the place and derail the thread. you're why people don't like vtubers.
>>10963072also as if vtubers aren't literally that, white women larping as japanese waifu
>>10963095reading comprehension needs to be taught better in school.don’t want to jork it, meaning we have no desire to masturbate to cartoons like you do
how fucking hard is it for people to just stfu, sing, dance, and if you want to be active on social just talk about your idol life
>>10963084we know it's you, cherie. hop off 4chan for a bit damn
>>10963098don't lie. we all know moids like vtubers because of how they lewd themselves up.
>>10963102you sound lame. Aden is generally cringe to me, but I don't agree that idols should only talk about idol stuff. that's boring. if you just want to follow an object, just say that. or, you just don't like aden, which is perfectly fine.
>>10963119if i go to an event and get an inclusive group photo with all the groups why the hell would i have to take a picture with someone that has no talent and identifies as a man and annoys me with shitposts on x? that's why idols don't do that kind of stuff. if people wouldn't go to an event like that then it's a detriment to everyone. japanese people understand this, americans don't.
>>10963143refuse to take the picture then? block the people who annoy you?why are you complaining about a person who you could just ignore? you just don't like the fact that this person isnt following uwu kawaii j-idol ideals. yeah, it sucks that most burgerland idols are cringe, but at the same time, you could just support the idols you actually like and ignore the ones you don't like. it's like you're complaining about a bad book that you keep on ooening up to read.
>>10963145this isn't a you problem. like i said it's just an american brain problem and you perfectly exemplify it by saying "just ignore (x)." ya, i'll ignore it all the way back to my house. i'm sure the people treating it as a money sink hobby don't care, which is why they act the way they do, but the people treating it as a part time job definitely care. >a bad book that you keep on ooening up to read.a book doesn't stand screeching on stage for 30 mins while i'm held captive in the same room as it. something that would be tolerable if i knew considerably less about how the sausage was made.
USIF and KumoriCon this weekend, any performances you're all looking forward to?
>>10963147yurapico, vtubers and wotagei only.
>>10963146held captive? now I just know you're the overdramatic type. you can leave and come back when the set is done. in that situation, it wouldn't matter what aden has tweeted, you just don't like them. the solution would be to not expect them to be something they're not.
>>10963150even if you've never been to an idol event, you've been to a concert, or at least a movie theater beforeevery event is no reentry to stop people from running back and forth to their cars all day. meaning you have to beg someone to let you back in.
>>10963151What idol event is no reentry? How would it be when not even the idols show up on time?
>>10963152>How would it be when not even the idols show up on time?i've never seen a venue where the staff enter through the same entrance as the customers. i've never even seen a restaurant like that. pretty sure that's a fire code violation to have a bunch of people in a room with only one entrance.
>>10963154LA isn’t the entire world retard. The entrances exist but only the owner is allowed to use them.
>>10963154If an idol cant respect the call time I give them and show up with the audience Im not letting them sneak inTheir entire audience should know for when they cry about not getting paid on their instagram story
>>10963102being idol is just another special-snowflake tag they can put on themselves
How did you Amerifats like Wooly? I saw she went over there from here in Sydney and performed over there.
>>10963166Barely sings and dances like a spaz, what’s to like? Felt out of place.
>>10963166no one even knew who she was or bought her merch. organizers made no extra effort. extremely poorly planned. >>10963185i can't even imagine one of the performers getting into it with her with only 3 days interaction so i gotta assume you're just the most schizo berry fan.
>>10963186Respectfully, no. I didn't attend for Berry.
>>10963185def another idol. if ppl harbor more talent or travel for more events and opportunities, the other bitches in here get pissed. wooly has a stable fanbase back home.
>>10963166wooly's bretty good, not gonna lie! i got to see her at nwif and dug what i saw. i'm thinking of jumping ship to the aus idol thread cus wow this has just been yet another thread of comm drama. you got any recommendations for other aussies before i leave forever?
>>10963209The aussie thread is just as drama lol
after wooly's terrible time in america i gotta wonder who invited some taiwanese idols to la. do they speak japanese at least because i know they don't speak english.
>>10963216Jared Lin invited them. The guy who runs fortune ferret productions.
What gender is ashes? i cant tellits pretty funny watching them at Day 0, ive never seen someone get gassed so fast from just standing
>>10963263So were you the judgmental glasses girl staring every female fan down? Don’t pretend we didn’t notice.
how packed is us idol fest? i was thinking about going but changed my mind when i thought about how much money i'm spending in november.
this girl seems pretty funny. how come no one here hates her?https://x.com/ploverdere/status/1983869377461285323
Northern Lights was as retarded and a GIANT clusterfuck as people though it was going to be>13 acts in 3 hours>1 hour delay in the main stage>another hour delay just before northern light>the actual event had minor delays>most of the audience left halfway through>idols were sad and tired because it was getting really late and most of their fans didnt stick towards the end for buppan>staff wanted to delay buppan for the next day>Most idols and fans were like "Fuck this, we are having it right now"its going to be smoother today since its mostly Vtubers and all they have to do is press a play button
i don't really have a different place to talk about this so..... i've been in the kaigai idol scene since covid and have also been consistent with uploads singing and dancing thruout the years. however, i feel like nobody really wants to support me. it feels like there's this bubble of idols that only support e/o and nobody else, a bubble that i can't enter. wotas also either don't know me or don't support me much. i'm not in america and i consider myself to have an above average skillset as an idol. even when i have an irl or online show, people are always impressed but dont bother sticking around and support my content on social media. what should i do?
>>10963321here are two big pieces of advice re: audience support: >if you want people to do call and mix, you have to perform songs that are tailored to call and mix. even if you're a wonderful performer, if there's no significant rest portions in your song, we can't really mix to it.>find an audience that resonates with you and you resonate with. make meaningful connections with your audience after performances.believe in what you're doing and it'll do like 40 to 50% of the work. the rest is up to other people.
>>10963322thanks for the advice!! i need to clarify that by 'sticking around' i didnt mean that people leave during my show, but moreso that they dont start engaging with my content on social media and projects, other than following me and posting my performances on their story for example. i hope that made sense.
>>10963324how often do you engange with them on social media?i'm 100% a fan and a non-idol and most of the time i just post and don't stick around because a lot of idols are strict about not talking to fans online
>>10963320and this is why events do not need to be over 2 hours and fit in a shit ton of acts
>>10963321you probably need to share more of your personality to give people a reason to stay.but people consume content very passively. rarely do they want to actually leave a comment about what they thought or try to engage in a more fan-creator way. when you see an idol get a lot of hype and comments on their content, it's because of a few reasons:1. Those people are their friends irl 2. Those people feel like the idol has something they can get in return (clout by association, connections to events, etc)3. That idol ALSO comments a lot on other people's stuff
Wotagei teams are so fucking retarded and don't belong in idol showsthe team that performed gassed out on their performance and did nothing afterwards except stay sitting
>>10963330they spend money and you don't. also like 90% of the posts about us idol fest are from the vtumors. you're doing nothing and just complaining.
>>10963321Big agree on the call and mix. When I start to learn a new song I try to find fan favourites because I want the crowd to have fun. I also have fun in the end too. Those sort of connections really help! You probably have one already but just in case... Having a good call and response is important. With social media, maybe look up some engagement tricks? With idol communities you have to be very social but also careful with who you interact with.
>>10963321I'm probably wrong, but I have a guess who wrote this. My advice for that person, but could apply to anyone:- Work on costuming and outfit choice. Dance covers look way better with either a proper idol costume, or extremely loose baggy clothes. Everyday casual clothes is fine sometimes, but a really unique and well tailored costume makes you look more professional.- Be intentional about the background of your videos. Always filming in front of a white wall makes it feel like I'm watching the same video over and over again. If you can't find a better location, try to decorate the wall in a unique and visually pleasing way (ideally one that matches your brand) Similarly, be aware of the color grading and lighting of your videos. Make sure the whites are white and not overly yellow or blue, and try to get the colors to pop in a consistent way across all videos.- People get invested in idols mostly because of their personality, not because of their skill. Try to showcase your personality more, making engaging videos where you talk directly to fans and share something interesting about yourself, or a "day in the life" sort of thing about how you practice, idk just something to make people feel more emotionally invested in you and your journey.- Once you have a really solid brand/concept in place, try branching out into original music. Make sure that everything about it relates to your concept, from the lyrics, to production, vocal style, costume, promotional videos, etc. Try to tell a consistent story with everything you do related to the song. These are the kind of things that would signal to me as a viewer that you're serious about your career, and make me emotionally invested in seeing you grow. The person that I have in mind for this advice is already skilled in singing and dancing. I wouldn't suggest investing in original music for people who haven't found their unique "voice" yet.I write this because I genuinely want to help and see potential.
Anybody going to Autumn Idol Jam?
>>10963321>but dont bother sticking around and support my content on social media. what should i do?Social media is gay, only real life matters. Make your shows fun and people will come back. Too many idols fall into the "i can barely dance to japanese songs" pit that anyone putting in slightly more effort will stand out. Do more than dance, encapsulate what it is to be idol. Treat each fan like you're their personal cheerleader.
i really hope non-sweet re-releases their music with better studio quality. they are a thousand times better live than the studio versions
>>10963146Real as fuck actually. Went to Aden's community stage event and we ALL got handcuffed to our chairs. One guy managed to escape but the stans executed him before he even made it out the door. Then Aden just stood on stage Mongolian throat singing over the corpse for 40 minutes (their technique was top notch though actually). I was really scared. I also had to piss the whole time and I'm pretty sure the guy next to me shit himself. All in all though not my worst experience being held captive, at least the music was good, plus Aden's costume was great. The collab performance was cool too.For anybody considering going to one of Aden's shows, PLEASE make sure you use the bathroom beforehand, they were REALLY slow releasing all of us. Now my favorite pants are ruined and whoever sits next to me at today's shows will NOT be happy with me (I really like these pants, nobody can make me change) Genuinely surprised more people aren't talking about this.
>>10963401Can confirm I was the guy that died
>>10963401i see you're doubling down with a tldr autistic response, mistakenly thinking that the original comment was about multi room conference center conventions.oh no, if it's not about conventions it must have been about the dozens of la idol events you've never been to. surprise!
>>10963404>doubling down>my first postGod damn I'm efficient
>>10963401hi aden
>>10963408Bro's ability to be continually wrong must be studied
>>10963359>>10963322>>10963321i think i have a better idea of who it is and all your suggestions are irrelevant. doubly so since most of it like costume original music and background is stuff only women care about and they are way way above average in those categories. also she puts her personality out there. like too much out there. i think the problem is mostly media and concept. you can be extremely talented and creative, but that doesn't correlate to popularity. only a few people want to support creativity. most just want to support success. people want to be part of a winning team. so if everything you're doing is interesting or new, and people still aren't biting it's because you're not driving home how it's a successful strategy. you'd probably need to think of a new way to market your creativity.
>>10963404Even for one hall conventions, you can still leave. A convention can't hold you captive, the wording of the original comment was ridiculous and the response is funny, it's not that deep
i had to unfollow two different idols because they were vaping in the outside lobbyi know its autistic as fuck of me doing it but idols should have a certain image
>>10963421Weak asf I need me some smoking menhera slash flash idols plz
>>10963413people choosing to let idols make them miserable is really funny
>>10963421you have got to name names
>>10963413literally what is a one hall convention? you're forced to use incorrect words because you have no clue what you're talking about. but seriously keep going because this is funny.
>>10963421>in the outside lobbywere they inside the lobby or outside in front of the lobby in the pickup dropoff spot?
as someone that spent about 500 bucks on USIFidols shouldn't be vaping/smoking in public, do that shit privately and not in front of the hotel where anyone could walk by
>>10963440lil bro cant handle a baddie
i like how vtubers are so terrible that they are crying about how cringe they are and trying to disown themselves. https://x.com/gimme_choco/status/1984870782078763044https://x.com/SinWithSloth/status/1984749925704356226imagine being a fat ugly manchild and complaining about the content that is created for you. so funny.
>>10963455Nyaru calling kaigai idols fat and then performing with her entire face covered with an anime mask checks out
>>10963456and trying to cover those cankles lmao
>>10963456the person complaining about vtuber kigurumi in the second link is another vtuber and from their posts is definitely a male that likes gooner content. not a kaigai idol. also not sure why you believe nyaru would call her own weird performance terrible and cringe.
everyone wants to be a successful solo idol, but no one wants to put out 30 interesting posts and videos while performing every day over the course of a weekend like yurapico.
2.5 idols like Pengy are the way to go.>Have a Vtuber Side-gig>sing live in person when they can and use their vtuber model as backup vocals
>>10963433A convention in one hall. Didn't understand "one hall convention" was difficult wording to comprehend. Some conventions are in big sports halls, stage areas aren't always seperated. However like I said in the original comment, people could still leave if they hated it that much so I don't get why people are mad
>>10963467id 1000000x over have pengy then nyaru even if it was just a v tuber performance
>>10963467that tweet above reeeing about 2.5d idols has nearly 6000 likes. for as much as kaigai idols hate vtubers, vtuber fans hate real women. the amount that you like pengy is equivalent to how much vtubers hate her. >>10963469for reference nyaru is more popular than pengy.
>>10963455kpop redditor with zero reading comprehension strikes again. the second tweet has nothing to do with 2.5d idols. they’re complaining about vtubers talking about real life issues.
You just fucking know Aden has nice jewish mommy milkers but shes good at hiding them
cherie announced a tour in taiwan. fortune ferret is definitely hosting tho.i dont blame them for wanting to steal her after how much of a disaster NL was
>>10963440who. ill sage this but who
>>10963476The irony of vtumor fans boasting about likes and followers when small irl idols are traveling the world
>>10963478Are the vtumor fans in the room with us?
northern lights was fucked this time becuz jew ceo and all their jew friends decided to prioritize eachother over the performers.why do you think talentless aden got to go on 5 million times throughout the weekend?
>>10963476first he brings an almost dead group to the us, now he's bringing a kaigai idol that doesn't speak chinese to taiwan? is he just burning a bunch of crypto cash that he doesn't want the govt to know about?
>>10963482Who knows. In her announcement she said that she’s been learning the language
>>10963481The jew isn't involved anymore, dipshit. Check their website. Reading comprehension at an all time low.
Idk exactly who fucked up northern lights or the con in general but I’m blaming tom strike for this
>>10963493the staff has always been nothing but a bunch of jews and still is. pretty much anybody with any sort of leadership position or power aka ashes clique is a stinky jew and if u havent noticed this yet ur retarded
>>10963494when in doubt blame tom strike
>>10963483many taiwanese can speak english too. she can probably get away with just speaking japanese to the audience if need be. taiwan has a powerful chika idol scene too. chika idols from other asian countries go there all the time.
>>10963482In what world do entertainers need do be fluent in the language of the country they’re visiting?
>>10963497who's tom strike and what did he do?
>>10963494I thought that one tranny was in charge of it
>>10963496You don’t need to be antisemitic to criticize these greasy idiotic fucks. While shit was hitting the fan, ashes was busy yucking it up with guests’ staff and lining up for meet and greets. From what I could tell no one has any professionalism or any take-charge attitude. The other staff below her sort of just sat around powerless to do much. Why she or this group of people are touted as the premier event organizers in the Kaigai space is beyond me. Can we stop supporting them? Next best option in SoCal?
>>10963509the tranny is a jew >>10963517is it antisemitism or is it the truth? a bunch of rich kids playing with mommy and daddy’s wallets
So the biggest thing that i noticed is by how many troons were in power at USIF and how divided the scene is.Part of the blame goes to the USIF organizers since the event had so much fucking overlap that you only want to go see main stage or idols that you have heard of before.Buppan and NL was a fucking tragedy, i really feel bad for any eastcoaster that had jetlag Also just fuck wotagei teams are just fucking there to support themselves and dont give a shit about idols
What was such a shitshow about Northern Lights? I wasn't able to go.
>>10963498taiwan has about the same elp as japan, which is very low. i doubt taiwan's weeb obsession translates to american kaigai idols either. just like it didn't translate for wooly or those taiwanese idols that came to la. >>10963519>>10963517which idol fests have you hosted? malding at the people who lose money doing this is toddler behavior. >>10963520it was like two hours late. explained here >>10963320pretty typical for an amateur convetion though.
>>10963520Delayed 2 hours, no rush or urgency from staff to try to get back to original time throughout the day, all NL performers had every single song sound checked I heard?? Pretty sure that’s not standard procedure. Audio still ended up sounding fucked for several groups.
Attended Idol Jam and aeeing what happened at NL puts into perspective how good of an event it was. >snacks/drinks provided by staff>staff incredibly attentive and supportive of idols and attendees>sound was fantastic>everything was professionally recorded and photographedEvent was completely free. There was a live band performance midway through that was pretty impressive albeit had a small crowd compared to the idol showcase acts which consisted of 90% cosplay "idols". Was still a pretty fun time, there were a couple kaigai idols in the singer showcase which also had a smaller crowd. I think if they focused more on original idols I think they could do pretty good as a solid yearly idol event. It's hard to sit through a bunch of Vocaloid cosplayers dancing for 2 hours to see maybe a single original act. At least the acts that were there were pretty good compared to most cosplay idols I guess.
>>10963320late for what? all kaigai idols need is a person to press play on a song, keep mic levels decent, and someone to do lighting, which isnt even that complex on such a small stage. pretty unprofessional to not even apologize to the crowd and explain
>>10963522irl performance is a great way to build fans as long as event producers promote her well. wooly could have gained a lot from being in america if she got that support
>>10963524>Event was completely freeidol jam wasnt free unless you count the BOGO>>10963525they still manage to fuck it up midway through NL a couple of times because they downloaded the wrong file/forgot to download a file>>10963523each performer had to do a minimum soundcheck of 10 minuteswhich im sure its just upper staff wanting a private show>>10963526Idle Rage is already small and the fact that they did a Berry+ friends event is a tragedy, they should have done Idol Jam 3.They also did the mistake of having it on a Friday.
>>10963527Only spent money at vendors, wtf do you mean?
>>10963528youre thinking of milkyway marketaplace?
>>10963529No, Idol Jam in Somerville MA yesterday.
>>10963527Not when you have that many people. Everyone gets max one song/two minutes whatever comes first. There were 13 acts. a sound check that checks every track is insane. This is why 13 person shows are just a bad idea. When will people ever learn.
>>10963532the sound team should go through every track, but they never do. every event i've been to this year has had playback issues often in the middle of sets.
>>10963540It seems like every event I've performed at has a 50/50 chance of having audio issues. Anime Boston so far has been the only event with live microphone that has gone without issues consistently.
>>10963540it's the idol's fault for prepping shit sound files.files should also be gathered in advanced and checked in advance. no files in, no performance for you. make it clear and keep it strict.
>>10963552if it plays on their system and not yours, that's your problem.
NL was late cuz they started having program delays at the very beginning of the day. jew staff’s friends like anizawa got longer soundchecks. u could hear it from outside the stage room. everything sounded like shit regardless. i don’t understand why they even bother.>>10963552i highly doubt every idol submitted corrupt or late files and even if that was the case, like u said, its on tech to check those files in advance.
>>10963555>anizawa this group pisses me off because peoni and ashes shill the fuck out of wotageis and how its an integral part of this niche scene.like no motherfucker, you and your team were sitting down for 90% of NL and you fuckers are only there to promote yourselves and your friends
>>10963559>longer soundcheck for select groups>idols allegedly asked to submit audio cue sheets that were completely ignored >overseas guest shoved to smaller community stage>overheard an idol offer free shit because her fan was so upset at how late nl ran>anizawa, a wotagay group, doesnt even do much wotagay for other performers>artist manager was so angry he was swearing loudly outside the main stageirl idols just need to boycott this shit but nazi anon is kinda right, the higher ups have their hands in everything at this point. there’s no escaping them.
>>10963562cherie’s manager i assume? no idol needs every song ran, they only need 30 seconds of one song, glorified cosidols and wotagay don’t get any time, simple solution.
>>10963562>the higher ups have their hands in everything at this point. there’s no escaping them.The best thing for idols to do in this scenario is keep these people at a professional distance.
Ausfag here: why are wotagei groups performing at idol shows? Wota is a crowd thing, its not a performance thing. They can organise their own shows if they truly feel like it is a performance (it's not). I hate attentionwhore wotafags so much. It's okay if they're part of the crowd and doing it out of passion, but so many just do it for the same reason so many "girls" become idols, it's easy to get attention from mouthbreathers.
>>10963575one of the fags running the burgerland community is a self proclaimed failed idol. big burly ugly chronically online type that can only reasonably self insert themself into wotagay shit or vtubing. now theyre ruining what little irl idols have cuz years of yapping on twitter made them think theyre important enough to perform on stage.
>>10963577ashes isn’t even the head of usif though, there are people above her. not saying she’s free of blame but I genuinely wonder who was the real reason behind the disastrous planning
>wotageino no no no, you fags HAVE TO do this, it's an humiliation ritual specifically designed for (You), nobody asked you if you wanted to, based japan for this one
>>10963575i blame USIF moving to LA, it’s common knowledge wotagay there actually think theyre better than any idol.
>>10963578ashes doesnt officially run usif but shes clearly buried deep in the asshole of the tranny ceo. they’re friends, and if you go back to her turf on the east, that’s where she’s the head honcho.
>>10963578It’s never one person. Just a series of failures by everyone who was name dropped here because they’re too busy circle-jerking eachother.
This thread is so unusable with this kpop reddit poster pretending to know shit despite never leaving their house.
>>10963583i hate k pop, but i don’t want to hear “pengy isn’t a real idol” when i drove 5 hours to watch her or “berry’s better” when i’m busy cheering for chiri girls not expecting fame in return.
>>10963587are there really people that ride or die for berry at this point?? jesus.
>>10963588he was some white guy i met who claimed to be in aniwaza. i can’t find any posts with him in there or mention of any aniwaza members at acen.
>>10963589regardless of some weird white boy claiming to be in aniwaza, big ups on your choice of oshi. pengy's one of the greats ngl and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know shit.
>>10963590thanks mate!
>>10963587>>10963588>>10963589>>10963590>>10963591Holy samefag
>>10963596can’t have a good convo with a chill guy without getting samed, truly a shit boardtry stepping outside, smelling the air, can bring a cheki out there with you too
>>10963562they have their hands in everything because they're making everything and spending money to do it. you're doing worse than nothing.>>10963575>>10963577wotagei is an anikura/anisong thing. if you're mad that anime nerds are the majority in the idol community then your only option is to invite people who don't care about anime. or alternatively just start killing weebs. in minecraft. also all those people you hate that actually went to usif are now going to fund future kaigai idol events because that's what the trannys you hate so much do. >>10963580none of those people who were on stage are from la. you would know that if you actually went to any of these things you're whining about.
>>10963607i like how you conveniently aren’t addressing how the clowns with cash aren’t doing anything but funding their own personal endeavors and disguising it as building up the community, but pop off i guess
>>10963608that's because there's been more local idol events this year than the past 5 years combined and i'm not retarded.try peeling yourself from your gooner seat and touch some grass.
>>10963609handing irl idols shit on a platter and begging them to be thankful eh?maybe in the next life you’ll be born a cute asian girl and not a fat white oaf fingers crossed!
>>10963608you're right, but these people aren't god. just dont support their events, choose others or get into event production yourself.
>>10963562>>overseas guest shoved to smaller community stageyou gotta make room for the Random Dance Play Wota Edition and the endless amount of vtuber shit for the mainstage>>10963578ashes + friendsCEO was walking around and just doing jackshit>>10963608USIF reminds me of GDC, especially with all of the troons in charge. it was a culture shock to me
why was the vtuber fest prime time saturday and northern lights was friday night? looks like a big middle finger to real kaigai idols.
thank you everyone for complaining so much that i am no longer sad i had to cancel usif due to not getting paid for over a month.
did anybody see usif’s apology yet? they must’ve fucked up bad
>>10963616of course the next day went smoother because they had vtuber video to just press play on, lol. all that apology said was that no one has the spine to communicate anything to anyone during the chaos. as expected from a group of people with zero charisma and people skills.
>>10963616they fucked up badly in the sense they might not be getting anymore oversea talentThey shoved setxuna to the community stage and she barely had anyone watching.The TWs went to the Asayoru event and that went smoothly as butter to the point where Ashes tried being involved, Idol Pride is happening this weekend and i'm sure thats going to go better than USIF
>>10963621was she supppsed to be there from the beginning? why wouldnt overseas takent get their own hour long show on the main stage?or is the purpose to fly them over here for a chance to sleep with them?
>>10963622>was she supppsed to be there from the beginning?maybe? idk
>>10963577>>10963580>>10963607Dont misunderstand: I like wotagei, and I like seeing the crowd do it. Wotagei isnt idol, and shouldnt be on stage with idols unless the idols themselves are the ones doing it. I also dont like wota teams in general as it detracts from the audience experience and is branching away/stealing otaku culture and turning it into another attentionwhore field.
>>10963660>is branching away/stealing otaku cultureAre you guys zoomers? Do you realize wotagei and wotagei teams IS and always has been a major of idol otaku culture? Or is this the kpop reddior replying to itself again?
>>10963669it’s really not. it’s importance is being exaggerated to you by a bunch of tards that either haven’t been to japan or just want to downright lie for their own benefit. go look up japanese idol fes flyers and tell me how many feature wotagay acts. i’ll wait, but it’s kind of insignificant when we have ppl saying anizawa barely wotagayed for the idols at nl.
>>10963659cherie doesn’t seem like a pushover so i was waiting for her to say something. shes not wrong. they have no choice but to change unless they want to be blacklisted by future foreign guests and perhaps even locals. it can’t go anywhere but up from here.
>>10963670Last show I went to Japan this past summer anyone doing anything remotely wotagei looking congregated in the back of the crowd not the front.
>>10963669You are intentionally misrepresenting what is being said, or are fucking retarded. Wotagei is a spectator dance, not a performance.
>>10963660wotagei is not part of idol otaku culture. it was always only akiba idol culture and for a long time now nearly 100% only anime idol. you are welcome to defend its involvement in the kaigai idol system for valid reasons, but trying to argue that it's a part of idol culture is ignorant, when most groups ban it outright because it's annoying, intrusive, and unwanted.
>>10963674Cherie "yumola" ife practically said>Hey im giving you guys another chance, i am raising my standards and if you shiters dont get better, i wont go. They practically fucked over everyone that participated in NL, especially by kicking everyone out on the Friday past midnight buppan and changing it to Sunday afternoon
>>10963738it's good for her to think that but the con will be able to keep functioning if she doesn't guest at it
>>10963739its better for her to speak up if she doesnt want to disappoint her audience with potentially pointless appearances. no shit usif will keep running albeit shittily, but at least shes addressing it respectfully.
>>10963738i don’t think she’s exclusively referring to herself. several idols are complaining in their private stories. desu there’s nothing wrong with raising expectations either. events will try to get everyone to accept mediocrity if nobody holds them accountable.
I think Aniwaza and other wotagei groups constantly being propped up in events and being given a guest spot or sharing the space with kaigai idols is frustrating and completely undeserved. Wotagei culture is meant to support idols not be on the same stage as them. I'm tired of them being treated like they're just as important as the idols when they aren't and never will be. I don't care how much they grind it out or travel to events.
I’m not sure why USIF is acting like Saturday and Sunday also weren’t a mess. Moe Age was offered a spot to dance on Sunday and staff set up tables for the NL meet and greet in their spot. They shoved them into a hallway blocking in front of the panel room and still had two huge meet and greets flooding the main area. The only reason they made a big deal about NL was because the international acts complained.
>>10963745Did USIF only have 2 rooms booked at this entire venue for performances or something? They should be more prepared with various stages when your entire thing is being a convention....for idols. Why are meet and greets being put in spaces meant for guests to be performing in? No separate rooms booked for those either?
>>10963745>The only reason they made a big deal about NL was because the international acts complained"True. NL running really late happened in NWIF 2023 too, but no public formal apology was given iirc. Meet & greet was really late (after midnight) and it obviously harmed both the fans and the idols.
I think it's hilarious that the Taiwanese groups stopped posting about midway through day 1 and no one from usif bothered to notice how unenthused they were until it was over. Now they're back posting about their overly expensive vacation in LA. >>10963743You are exaggerating their standing because somehow they are above you who wasn't even allowed to perform. In this case how much they grind it out and travel to events is entirely relevant. To everyone else they are just the talent preshow before the real event. >>10963745Was that even planned on the schedule?I can't speak to how asayoru should react to such treatment, but I can say that performing out in the hallway with dozens of people watching on their way to get merch is far preferable to performing inside while NL chekis are happening somewhere else. >>10963746They moved the sound setup a short distance to the hallway and the other rooms were being used.
>>10963751I'd rather watch those guys than vtumors
>>10963751>I can't speak to how asayoru should react to such treatment, but I can say that performing out in the hallway with dozens of people watching on their way to get merch is far preferable to performing inside while NL chekis are happening somewhere else.asayoru is known to be beefing with companies/people, so i have no doubt they are going to remember this BTS.They were shoved between the regular buppan area and the community stage.
dear absolute aidoru, do not twerk on stage.
>>10963731thank you! i went to a fest in osaka in July and saw zero wota in the crowd.
>>10963731You're arguing the same thing I'm arguing. I think I was misquoted.
>>10963759I was going to say that there was no way she didn't realize how short her skirt was. It's kind of disappointing to see her going in this particular direction as someone who's been following her since the start of her debut preparations.Looking into it, the idol event she did this in was an all ages event held on a Saturday at 2PM, no inclination it was 18+ or adult at all. Very disappointing. At least market yourself as adult if you're going to be doing adult performance. Shaking your ass to the crowd and showing your underwear is adult performance. Wonder how many children were exposed.
>>10963811Yes, it should be the comment below yours. >>10963669
>>10963815Just saw the video of her twerking. The reason is to "break the boundaries of what it means to be an idol" so... she goes with that? Embarrassing. Also I don't think she even hinted to be an idol who wants to be more 18+? I could be wrong though
>>10963819Freyja exists and has already dealt with similar shitflinging which was deserved. This really is a shame because Aidol markets herself really well and her performance has improved dancing wise. Her singing is still garbage but it's been nice to actually watch someone grow and improve as an idol but now I am entirely turned off to it.
>>10963815>>10963819There are plenty of 18+ idols, but if this was all ages that is atrocious. Do US idols not wear spats?
>>10963819She said on her story that she asked for her skirt to be shorter than original length so she definitely knew what she was doing
>>10963819Doesn't help it wasn't even good twerking like if you're going to do that you have to at least be good at itMaybe they were shorts, but they didn't look like them and if kids were watching then yikes
>>10963759it’s the tism. u can see it in her eyes. most ppl would know it’s neither edgy or appropriate to twerk in booty shorts at an all ages show. she needs to buy real safety shorts if she doesn’t want to look like a sped.
>>10963839looking at all the idols who liked that post is so funny. like, you guys have no standards. you're willing to support ANYONE lmao.
>>10963931I don't judge the likes, tons of people just like everything as they scroll. The comments though..
>>10963949>people just like everything as they scrollas if that should be normal. yeah let's normalize brainless activity
>>10963759post the video
what's with the trend of everyone wanting to call themselves a gyaru idol. first off none of them ever dresses or speaks like a gyaru. secondly it's stupid. it's like a japanese person saying they want to be a samurai, but they want to be tom cruise from the movie the last samurai. the whole gyaru movement was spawned from cool tanned platinum blonde girls emulating the style of 90s america with a japanese twist. it's not gyaru if you're american. you can't imitate someone's imitation of you. that's just parodying yourself, badly. if you wanna go up on stage singing strictly ayusama songs, calling all your fans chou kimoi, and wearing the latest fashion from shibuya, that's fine. but like doing your best to be the stereotypical jpop idol in harajuku fashion and then incorrectly calling yourself gyaru is nonsensical.
>>10963990most of gyaru these days is copying american baddie style with a japanese twistbut yeah, if you're not a party girl, it's cringe. doja cat is considered gyaru in japan, lol.
>>10963990>>10964004i can only think of one convincing gyaru idol and it’s cherie. she’s always talking about drinking parties in japan and uses a lot of gyaru language, but i’m not sure she identifies as a strictly gyaru idol. sunny in faeble would next but it’s giving cosplay despite the effort.
why do filipino kaigai idols always announce that they are filipino?
What business does Aden have teaching others to two step when she can’t even do it herself
anyone go to kaigai idol pride? was it better run than usif at least?
>>10964030two stepping didn't even come from idol originally so I could care less
>>10963990Tell me you don't know anything about the scene right now without telling me.Every girl group in Japan these days (and even some male groups) has a gyaru member. Gyaru has just evolved into a broader term. I usually see gyaru used to describe any member that's a fashionista or who's really into beauty/makeup with a somewhat bubbly personality. Luna from Fruits Zipper, for example, is considered gyaru. What you're describing is Heisei gyaru, and as someone who keeps up heavily with the Japanese idol scene, I rarely see Heisei gyaru members. I just don't feel like it's fair to apply a rigid, outdated standard to kaigai idols when idols in Japan have a much looser definition of gyaru, and, sorry to break it to you, there are a good amount of kaigai idols who fit that definition. Don't blame me, egg's Gal is Mind song really revolutionized the way Japanese people think about gyaru, because over there, the majority of gyaru right now is mindset/personality.
>>10964089Are you lost/? Or poor reading comprehension? This is the kaigai idol thread, not the japan idol thread. Once again, you aren't kenichi sama, No matter how tall your cowboy hat is or how much texas drawl you put into your accent. Also gyaru isn't broad, it's often misused. Gyaru is heavily gatekept. Just like aave. >egg's Gal is MindPlease wipe the crust from your eyes, see an optometrist. And then after that google what the group looks like. And also everyone in the magazine.
>>10964089>>10964096You are both niggers, gyaru/gal is different to ganguro and heiseiIn anime terms, modern gal is Marin Kitagawa
>>10964009gonna add she’s convincing cuz she’s fucking japanese kek u won’t look like a tryhard when it’s ur culture. same goes for idol activities
>>10964107Hafu.
>>10964113no shit sherlock ah yes everyone though she was a pure yamato nipponjin
this thread got much more cancerous thanks to vtuber fans learning about kaigai idol
thoughts about Kaigai Idols being replaced by Wotagay shiters and Vtubers?
>>10964123guess i'll just audition for hololive en then what is even the point anymore of doing irl idol activities amirite
>>10964124Because once you see people in real life who are talented attractive sweet people, anime girl.jpeg is not the same. Vtubers can’t ever compare in that regard.
>>10964123i doubt there actually is one, but if any con is paying someone to twirl around light sticks they should talk to me first so i can take their money for some other equally harebrained reason. >>10964124vtumor lives is just a trend. but it'll still probably outlive most people's idol career. it's just unfortunate you were born into such a crappy generation.
>>10964123all three are just totally different things.wotagei groups are mostly dudes, not the same as a feminine performance group in costume.vtubers are videos. you're basically having video content at the con. again, different from live performers. the average con attendee who isnt a vtuber fan and isnt an idol fan would more likely sit in on a live idol performance because it would make slightly more sense than watching a video rhat they could just stare at on the computer or phone.
>>10964123wotagei takes 30mins to learn, it's not a highly skilled dance. It's not even a performance skill, it's a thing fans do. I hate wotagei faggots so much (the ones trying to make it tryhard instead of what it actually is).>t. does wotagei
>>10964123>>10964156to put this in perspective, imagine if you went to a rave and instead of seeing a DJ, you had an hour of faggots on stage hakking, muzzing and shuffling; like bro, keep it on the dancefloor
>>10964157bad example.i'd rather see people dancing for free on stage than watch some nobody hit play on a playlist of music they don't own, and for some reason expects to be paid for it. the modern rave scene where a bunch of dudes all just stand around facing the stage while some idiot waves their hands in the air behind a laptop is more cringe than anything i've seen at a kaigai event.
>>10964170Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean it is wrong you stupid fucking faggot
>>10964171smooth brain window licking zoomers paying into idiotic trash and catastrophically decimating real art in the process is wrong no matter how common it is. but no one is stopping you from consuming your ai slop, vtumors, and soulless macbook raves.
>>10964171calm down retard
>>10964172>>10964173retards
>>10964036Someone uploaded footage on YouTube. It didn’t really show how the event was run but the performances looked decent.
>>10964172please touch grass
wotagay teams aren't there for the idols, they are there only for themselves. they wear their gay ass team shirt and hope to outshine the actual idols one dayanizawa proved this when they performed their set and sat down for 2 hours during Northern Lights
>>10964181those guys even sell cheki, lol.
