Whiskey general The old standards edition
>>21951780whiskey highball time
I love a good highball
About to bust into a bottle of JP Wiser's Deluxe.
They keep raising the price of good whiskey around me it’s dumb
>try basic bourbon>yup tastes like bourbon>try a hyped popular bourbon>mkay, tastes like bourbon>no, you need to get this uber expensive enthusiast bourbon>just tastes like fucking bourbonAside from a cask strength makers mark I am solely scotch from here on out. For a fraction of the price of hyped bourbon I have a much wider array of flavor profiles. Bourbon is cringe over-hyped and largely too expensive, and if I am being perfectly honest, gay
>>21951780ehehehehknob
>>21952327The fuck kind of scotch are you drinking that's cheaper than bourbon?
>>21952327Bourbon is better on the cheap end , scotch on the expensive end
>>21952327I have had that exact same experience except with whisky, it's all the same shit, either smoked or not.Although I've been enjoying a glass of Irish lately
For me it's Driftless Glen
>>21951780scotch>bourbon
>>21952327lol dont drink bourbon
>>21952351bro this is exactly the learning curve.well done.
I tried new riff sib bourbon last night. It was very good. New riff might be the best distillery going right now.
>>21952452New Riff is really hitting their stride. I tried the 8 and 10 and they were great. I drank this last week, pretty good stuff for a lower proof wheated.
>>21952351This. Posts like >>21952327 are like the equivalent of /v/ console wars.
>>21952477I just want the price of everything to come down
>>219526282 more weeks
I was in my regular store today and overheard some other customer asking about allocations and the wagie rambled off a pretty long list of stuff they have in the back. I never bothered to ask before so was pretty surprised to hear. I ended up getting a bottle of OF 1924 for $120 (msrp). I had been debating if I'd ever buy this bottle given the opportunity since $120 is pretty steep for a 100 proof bourbon, but decided to take the gamble.Also today I picked up a Middle West Ported Pumpernickel Rye and a single barrel from a fairly obscure local distiller (I'm most excited to try this one but my expectations are low).
>>21951780I like godfathers.
>>21952334this is the undeniable truthwe are in the kindling phase beforeTOTALRYESUPREMACY
>>21953295If you want a potentially interesting rye, walleye run fisherman's batch was just released the other day on their website. It's $130 shipped though so a gamble with no reviews. They also periodically release regular single barrels on their website, so worth keeping an eye on if you can stomach the shipping. Though the shipping is worth it if they don't distribute to your area.https://shopping.newhollandbrew.com/products/walleye-run-whiskey-very-small-batch-2026-1-fishermans-batch
>>21951780Bourbon is made of corn you need scotch whiskey and not the stuff the yanks make.
>>21953388You need age >12y or you're just a chump.
>>21954046Actually I need stuff made from corn.
>>21953295Rye is certainly my favorite type of whiskey but I also enjoy higher rye bourbons as well. Scotch is not my preference.
I'm tired of europoors shitting on corn. We have more than just GMO corn from Monsanto you know...
All whisky is good you drink it straight up or with a dash of water. It also makes a nice injectable if you are out of heroin
im apparently allergic to spirits which sucks cause i really like rum. vodka's ok.
the 'scotch is more varied' argument is actually a tell of someone being a beginner. scotch has clear categorical differences. it's daunting as a novice. american whiskey has more independent variables affecting flavor
Having some old fashioned cocktails tonightI used to wonder why there's so many barely legal ryes, but I think I get it now. It's just enough spice to elevate an old fashioned without being a dill bomb. We love having whiskey neat here on the internet where we practice seriousness and purism, but in the real world it's all about cocktails>>21951884>>21951909basedThe key to the highball is preserving the carbonation. It's why the pros barely stir it at the end. Just enough to distribute the whisk(e)y without sacrificing the precious bubbles I love an elevated Jack and coke. Old No. 7, craft ice, Mexican coke, citrus, put together with intention, enjoyed responsibly. That's smooth sippin'
>>21955114I feel like I prefer high rye bourbons to Kentucky rye. I feel like barely legal ryes are the worst of both worlds.
>>21955158I've never been into them (barely legal ryes) myself. I tried Rittenhouse when I was just beginning getting into all of it, and it was fine but I never thought to buy another bottle. I've had a bottle of Sazerac open for about 6 years now and a Wild Turkey 101 Rye that I always forget that's on my shelf. But tonight, making some old fashioneds, the wt101 rye and Sazerac are the best ones yet. I'm convinced that this is why they exist.
>>21955114>We love having whiskey neat here on the internet where we practice seriousness and purism, but in the real world it's all about cocktailsI drink cocktails regularly. The "drinking whiskey neat makes me hard" shit is one of the gayest things about the whiskey "fandom" (I use that term here because that's what it behaves like).
:)
>>21956384you really put black olives in your old fashioned?
>>21956476i like mine dirty
>>21955069>american whiskey has more independent variables affecting flavorsuch as? inb4 mashbill
>>21955448I like cocktails nut I genuinely prefer my whiskey neat. Not to mention I can simply pour it out of a bottle instead of having to constantly juice citrus fruits
>YOU NEED LE HECKIN QUIRKY CHUNGUS ORANGE ZEST TWIST AND $30 CHERRIES IN YOUR OLD FASHIONED THAT YOU'RE DRINKING ALONE AT YOUR DESK IN YOUR UNDERWEAR TO GET LE EBIN REDDIT UPDOOTS EVEN THOUGH THEY ADD NOTHING SIGNIFICANT TO THE DRINK
>>21955114>why there's so many barely legal ryesthe real reason is because rye mash is hard to deal with because of its high gum content clogging lauteringadditionally the bourbon market is huge and full of stubborn retards so they make “rye” whiskies that aren’t too scary for bourbonitesbut finally yes it’s also a good cocktail middle ground since a lot of recipes will say “use rye or bourbon” interchangeably
>>21956574>$30 CHERRIES>EVEN THOUGH THEY ADD NOTHING SIGNIFICANTluxardo cherries are fucking kino have you never eaten one or something? in fact I’d say they’re probably my main incentive to ever make a cocktail
>>21956574If you express an orange peel and throw it in, it absolutely does add something to the cocktail.
friend let me try this at Christmas. got a 1.75L
>>21956571>Not to mention I can simply pour it out of a bottle instead of having to constantly juice citrus fruitsThat's a fair complaint. I'd drink whiskey sours more often if I didn't have so much to clean up afterwards. But an old fashioned only needs some orange peel and you can just build it in the glass.
>>21957021I can see the appeal of an old fashioned and drink them from time to time but usually they detract from the overall experience of drinking whiskey. I usually only get them when I’m out with mixed company so I don’t look like a complete alchie eating at nice restaurant.
>>21957025I view something like an old fashioned as part of the experience of drinking whiskey, rather than being something separate from it. Then again I don't think whiskey is all that special to begin with.
Which blended whisky tastes most like laphroaig?
>>21956574everything ok?
>>21957749A bottle of Laphroaig with a single drop of Ardbeg blended into it.
today i bought jack daniels bonded ($25) and knob creek 12 year ($70)the JD is already half gone. probably won't open the knob creek for a while but i'm hyped for it. was eyeing it at my local store but it was marked up. ended up finding it at a walgreens
getting to the bottom of this one and it's been great. definitely a coffee drink vibe, especially with the old fashioned i just made with it
>>21956574While I think luxardo cherries are delicious, in nearly every cocktail I've tried them with (especially manhattans) their sweetness kinda blows out the cocktail they're served with. On the other hand, even if you don't give a shit about aesthetics citrus oils and stuff like that are absolutely a requirement for a lot of cocktails. Instead of using fresh citrus every time though, what I do is I have spray bottles of essential oils diluted in a solution of everclear and glycerin. Way more convenient and consistent, and I'm decently confident there's no difference in the final product.
Question for the distillation nerds; My understanding of the distillation process goes something like this Take wash > Distill however many times until you get to more or less the highest proof you can with your distillation method > Dilute a bit > age (which also decreases proof due to evaporation) > dilute the rest of the way down to your desired bottling proofWhat's the purpose of the pre-aging dilution step? Is that actually as universal as I think it is? Also, where does blending fit into these steps?
As a Costco chad I use the 20 dollar 2.2 lb amarena fabbri cherries which basically taste the same as luxardo. Can't imagine paying 30 bucks for a tiny little jar.
>>21958115>(especially manhattans) their sweetness kinda blows out the cocktailthe sweet vermouth already does that>>21958122>highest proof you canno you stop before it becomes vodka. pot stills usually 1-3x. there are limits to how high a proof it can come off the still and be classified as bourbon, armagnac, wtc>age (which also decreases proof due to evaporation)depends on relative humidity. water evaporates slower in humid environments so proof goes down but in dry climates it can outpace the ethanol and increase proof>purpose of the pre-aging dilution step?water and ethanol have different affinities for solvation of various compounds so if you lean too much into one or the other you get excess / deficit of tannins or other flavors extracted from the wood>Is that actually as universal as I think it is?yes, again often a legal requirement as is the case with bourbon (can enter cask no higher than 125 proof)>where does blending fit into these stepsmost always post-aging and before dilution for bottling
Wow just was out on the hunt for some crushable juice from everyone’s favorite distillery and was able to score these bad boys after waiting in line for a couple hours. Was well worth it though can’t wait to sip on this fine nectar of the gods.
holy potato
>>21958532EH is shelf turding in my area now. It's crazy, all these former allocate bourbons are just laying around. Cases of Eagle Rare, Stag and Stag Jr...tons of the Weller lineup. It's rough out there right now for the bourbon industry.
>>21952327drink rye, gayboi, that's where all the cool stuff is happening in american whiskeybut yeah most bourbon is in saccharine cherries and caramel territory with few exceptionsthe only radically different ones are that way from being in oak too long or from removing rye
>>21957749Compass Box Peat Monster
i like knob creek and elijah craig and i like drinking it on the rocks
Does scotch have to use 100 percent malted barley? Adding some rye to the mix would make scotch a lot better I think.
>>21959303For a single malt yes, otherwise a distillery can make a single grain and use whatever they want- bruichladdich makes a 55/45 rye/barley and johnny walker also has a blended rye. Of course single pot irish uses a portion of unmalted barley but I’m not aware of any scotches that do so (I’m sure it exists in a single grain somewhere)
>>21957749I like Spice King, personally. Alternatively Ardbeg because it used to be owned by Laphroiag
>>21955069I agree. Obviously peated islay will taste different than a typical speyside with sherry cask maturation. Pretending there isn’t nuance within individual categories is a beginner move. Laphroaig is distinct from Ardbeg. Even among more similar categories the basic basic mass produced single malts are different. Glenlivet tastes different than Glenfiddich. Jim Beam distillate tastes different than Wild Turkey, BT, makers mark, the brown foreman group of distilleries, MGP. Etc.Hell, I don’t actually think it’s much of an argument to say wild turkey and Buffalo trace taste more distinct than the previously mentioned glenlivet and glenfiddich. But you’re splitting hairs at this point the general point is pretending distillery characteristic within an individual whiskey category doesn’t exist is just wrong. It’s beyond just mashbill.
>>21958122Not an actual distill fag but high proof distillation is a cost saving method, it’s not done for actual quality. Also proof can increase over time if there is heat involved in the climate
>>21959303A drop or two of peated scotch can taste amazing in rye, sometimes it turns it into pure asphalt though
>>21955069>scotch has clear categorical differences.Accurate.>american whiskey has more independent variables affecting flavorAccurate, but absolutely moving the goalposts if you're discussing the "Scotch is more varied than bourbon" argument.>scotch is more varied than bourbonAccurate.
>>21952331NTA but for awhile Scotch on average was cheaper than Bourbon. To my surprise when I visted Costco the other day Bourbons were in a affordable 20 to 40 range for actually good stuff. I still prefer scotch and Irish Whisky and Bourbon is my least favorite as it tends to always be mainly sweet and burn.
>>21951780shawty made my knob creak
>>21960081Yeah I'd love to get into Scotch to see what I'm apparently missing, but if it's between Wild Turkey 101 and Dewar's White Label at the same price point, it's pretty much a no-brainer that I'm going to go with the bourbon. Irish at ~30 USD is enjoyable already, but when you can't get "decent" Scotch for less than 45, I can't convince myself that it wouldn't be a waste of money.
>>21960081>scotch and Irish WhiskyThe term you're looking for is malt whiskey.
Hunter S Thompson bros: Chivas or Wild Turkey?
>>21960435Just wait for something nice to go on sale I got a bottle of balvine 14 for $39 recently and yeah scotch isn’t my favorite but it’s nice to change things up and have it sometimes Bourbon is better flavor for cheaper >>21960469Why not both? If not I would have to say WT
>>21960435Wt101 is too insane of a value. I’m mostly a rye guy but I always have a handle wt101 at home. It’s impossible to beat with handles going for less than 40. It’s not very complex or anything but when you want to have a few drinks after work it’s great.
>>21960435WT and Four Roses are my choices for refilling my community decanter. I love both of them but 4R is a more common choice since my costco typically carries the 2.75L of it more than WT.
Good deal here if you don't mind ordering. They only have 2 in stock atm.
>>21960714I guess I could link it. Their shipping is $20. I've ordered from them before and it was all good.https://www.hiproof.com/products/redbreast-irish-whiskey-px-edition-92proof
Anyone have pics of themselves they'd like to share? This is me
For any anons who live in Kentucky, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, or Washington D.C., Old Forester has 1924 and 117 Series available for shipping online. Could be worth the additional shipping cost (probably not).https://shop.oldforester.com/shop-all/spirits/
>>21951780gonna crack this tonight with the bois
LeFrog 10 costs €55, has the world gone mad? I remember it costing 30-36 max.
>>21960788let's see that pour>>21960974yes
>>21960439which is most always scotch or irish. anyone here tried american single malts? so far i’ve had defiant out of blue ridge distilling, I think woodford’s?, stranahan’s, bulleit, jim beam’s, and some local distilleries. I didn’t think any of them were worth writing home about especially at the markup for being “niche” releases compared to their respective bourbons but I remember liking beam’s the most
>>21961049oh yeah and also balcones which as always was very balconesy
>>21960974Where I live in the US it's been $60 minimum for years.
>>21961196Can second. Never seen Laphroig below 60 and I live in Missouri with some rock bottom liquor prices
>>21961219>>21961196I regularly find it for $55. not much better but still. Chicago Area btw
Why did whiskey retain classy, reserved branding and bottle designs while beer turned into cartoony ridiculous nonsense with craft beer designs?
>>21961820You answered your own question.Whiskey is classy, beer is gross slop made by frat bros.
I finally tried to new riff balboa. It’s great wish I bought two bottles when I saw it. Any rye bros out there you should put this on your list of things to look for. New Riff has impressed me with everything I’ve tried. The next on my list to find is the malted rye.
Interesting drop just now from hi proof. Only 3 bottles available https://www.hiproof.com/products/larceny-barrel-proof-batch-c924-750ml
>>21961980Actually nevermind lots of places have this particular batch, I thought it was more of a rarity by now. Please ignore.>>21961919Good to hear the you finally tried the balboa anon. I'm looking forward to cracking mine open soon. The malted rye is great, and same with the sherry finish malted rye.
>>21961196I saw it go for $30 like two years ago in AZ but otherwise it’s been $50ish in most other states. $70 in my flyover
>>21962039Sherry casked scotch? basedSherry casked rye? basedSherry casked bourbon? basedSherry itself? basedblessed wine
Like the groundhog or the bluebird, finding the first fruit fly of the year floating in my whisky is a sign that spring is here
>>21951780Got a 200 mL of Seagrams VO (I know, it was cheap which is what I desired though I would've preferred Evan Williams) and getting crossed tonight, hit the world's slowest edibles an hour or so ago. Would've drank more earlier but there's still a touch of klonopin (I've fucked up bad with this and likka) and tons of stimulants in my system from today's Tweak N Clean
I tried rum for the first time today it was a Myers single barrel that was finished in a sazerac rye cask. It was not what I was expecting, it wasn’t very sweet in fact it was less sweet than a lot of bourbons. It had a tropical fruit flavor with a scotch like sour finish. It was ok but if that’s what rum is all about I will stick to rye.
>>21963396If you want a sweeter rum, try Goslings. It's very good
