My dad thinks food mentioned in the bible has special powers.

>>21600430
that's why Walmart has a dedicated freezer section for ezekiel bread even it's the worst dogshit ever

>>21600387
Father-in-law thinks freezing meat twice spoils it, like you freeze it, thaw it, and freeze it again. The second time it thaws its spoiled.

>>21600447
He is generally right. Refreezing meat is ONLY safe if you thaw it in the fridge.

>>21600387
>do your parents believe in weird food myths?
no

>>21600435
Ezekiel bread is good but clearly not for everyone.

>>21600452
dad get off 4chan! GOSH!

>>21600387
I believe that though
I don't have any reasoning behind it, i just feel so

>>21600387
Could only make hot cocoa with water as a kid, mom heard if milk was warm it was bad even if you just pulled it from the fridge and tried to microwave it

>>21600387
Wash your hands before dinner.

>>21600452
Its not spoiled because you thaw and refreeze but the texture and quality of the meat turn to shit. But it won't get you sick

>>21600650
The problem with thawing and refreezing is that you keep all the spoilage bacteria on the meat.
So if you have a big chunk of meat, you might leave it on the counter or in water to thaw, which takes a while because it needs to thaw in the middle, and it starts spoiling on the surface. You refreeze it and thaw it again and it might be already spoiled.
ESPECIALLY bad in case of minced meat because that shit spoils quickly.
You can slow the spoilage down by thawing it in the fridge but it will still incur a bit of spoilage.
But generally there is literally no reason at all to refreeze meat (just cut it while its still frozen if you want to partition it) so there's 0 cost to not refreezing and it does make your meat texture to be shit.

Water is somehow the most hard thing to comprehend for people.
They do not understand that water boils at 100 degrees. Turning the heat up doesn't make the water hotter. They think you just turn on more heat and now it's hotter because more heat. Then the entire house gets filled with steam and the pot boils over and water goes everywhere.
Literally impossible to explain to anyone. The water must boil at the max heat at all times.

>>21600672
yeah but repeating the thawing and freezing process doesnt automatically spoils the meat, just increases the chance for it. boomers think it auto spawns all kinds of diseases

>>21600704
because people don't deal with phase transitions very often. usually you're only dealing with solids and in that case turning up the heat does make the substance hotter, so you intuitively inductively reason "everything else gets hotter if I turn the heat up why should water be different"
and if you do deal with a phase transition, its usually melting something which happens at a pretty low temperature when you're working with food. like you can't melt a pork loin, it burns to ash long before it melts and butter for example melts at such a low temperature you don't notice that the solid butter is all the same temp until it completely melts then resumes getting hotter as a liquid
dumb niggas need to be taught thermodynamics in high school

>>21600430
>My dad thinks food mentioned in the bible has special powers.
grapes, figs, dates, and pomegranates are really good for you though

>>21600704
>They do not understand that water boils at 100 degrees. Turning the heat up doesn't make the water hotter.

Anything you put into the water that's less than 100 degrees is substantially cooling the water.
Turning up the heat keeps the water at 100 degrees faster

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>>21600430
>My dad thinks food mentioned in the bible has special powers.
your dad is based

Mom regularly cooked pork and chicken breast to about 200F or more because she was convinced pork any cooler than well done would give trichinosis or worms, and chicken would give you fatal food poisoning if there were any juices left in it. It wasn't until I was 15 that she saw eating a medium rare steak wouldn't kill me. I vividly remember when I was 14 I asked a waiter for a medium rare steak and she was adamant I didn't know what that meant and would get something I wouldn't like because she somehow thought I'd see pink steak and get disgusted with it.

I grew up with a lot of hamburger helper meals and crock pot dinners because that wasn't as dry was cardboard. I hated steak and pork until I was in my mid 20s.

>>21600704
It's easy to explain if you don't try to educate. "Water always boils at X temp, no matter what. More heat underneath just boils it faster."
"Why is that?"
"Chemistry, it's always the same temp." Done.
Don't talk about the nuances of things that can slightly influence it or the physics of energy. If they cared about that they'd have already looked it up.

>>21600782
This is almost 1:1 how my childhood went because my parents got a really severe case of salmonella from some undercooked street vendor chicken from a local event a decade before I was born.
I am so used to chicken so dry it saps all the moisture out of your mouth the second you bite into it eating properly prepared chicken, even when done myself, makes me uneasy and paranoid of getting sick.

>>21600574
i was already an adult when i found out you're supposed to use milk instead of water. i was wondering why my homemade hot cocoa always sucked

>>21600782
>>21600801
>cooklet parents
Grim, did your grandparents not teach them?

>>21600704
who are these "people?" you?
because if you boil pasta a lot you quickly learn to turn it down once its boiling. at least i'd hope, shit
haven't had a boilover in years

My grandmother
>NEVER take milk beyond a simmer it gets ruined!

>>21600822
>Grim, did your grandparents not teach them?
Not really, grandma barely spoke English as an immigrant and had some debilitating vascular condition so it was painful for her to stand or walk while raising 4 kids in an 800sqft house.

>>21600851
so her kids could not understand their mother?

>>21600704
this. i keep trying to explain that once the steamer is boiling you can turn it down and it will still steam but no, it has to be full boiling all the time for my retarded boomer mother

>>21600870
How much knowledge about cooking do you think was passed down from someone that grew up in the 1930s and learned English after moving to the US to escape war-ravaged Europe?

>>21600915
you mention she barely knew english, so i was wondering if her kids even understood her. if they did, they i don't know why that would need to be brought up in relation to passing down knowledge

>>21600387
I think most if not all water has been boiled at least once

My dad said seering the meat doesn't really trap the juice inside and make the meat more tender. He is wrong. Seered meat is always tastier and juicier than not seered meat. For example a grilled steak is more tender and juicy and tasty than a boiled steak.

>>21600933
>you mention she barely knew english, so i was wondering if her kids even understood her.
I'm not completely sure, I never met her. How much English could a polish housewife have learned in 1930 before moving to the US? I've only been told it was broken english at best and trips to k-mart were stressful because of the pain and lack of money. Mom says she talked to her mom every week, so I assume she knew some english. But again, how much haute-cuisine do you think was passed down at the poverty line in broken english?

>>21600945
it's strange to make english be the dominant language for your children if you barely knew english yourself. who even taught your mom to speak?

>>21600944
People have some really retarded ideas and superstitions around grilling meats. Boomers get physically angry if you suggest to new grillers to just use a quick read meat thermometer and instead encourage novices to just guess the temps. Why wouldn't you just use a tool that tells you exactly when the meat is the desired temperature? Odd macho shit

>>21600650
Butchers and fishermen freeze using flash freezing. If you freeze slowly, it can spoil between the time you start to freeze it and it's actually frozen.

>>21600387
I'm pretty sure the issue isn't whether reboiling the water is safe or not, it's the fact that a small tiny bit of magnesium leaches in most kettles into the water if you continually keep reboiling it. But to reach any levels of concern you would have to be continually topping up the kettle and boiling water over and retopping it up over and over again.

>>21600944
>My dad said seering the meat doesn't really trap the juice inside
He's right. Searing does add flavor though.

>>21600672
>>21601115
Most pathogens cannot survive between 40° and 140 degrees ° if it is frozen at proper temperature below 35° the bacteria grown would die on cue. Thats why soups are always reheated to boiling temp to kill all bacteria, same with flash frozen fish

My dad freaked out when i ate the loaf end since he thinks it preserves the bread with it there. He also microwaves foam plates.

>>21600447
if you thaw a frozen piece of meat the thawed piece starts to get bacteria immediately.
if you refreeze it you're just allowing the bacteria to fester.
your dad is 100% correct.
>>21600704
superheating exists, but you are most generally correct.
>>21600955
temp does not equal doneness of grilled steak.
chicken, yes, but not steak.
>>21601306
bread heels block air from getting to the next slice better than an open slice.

hope you're all ready for this one.
>if you swallow a watermelon seed a watermelon will grow in your stomach.

>>21600885
I think that's more about making sure there is a high enough steam density to effectively transfer the heat to the vegetables.
Adding more heat won't make the water hotter, but it will make it boil faster, and so create more steam.

>>21600829
I havent shit my pants in nearly 18 months

>>21600808
Just use more than one packet if you're making it with water. The powder mix contains milk too.

>>21600387
Reboiling water that had stood outside in the open for a long time is bad, because algae, bugs and contaminants might have gotten into it. Otherwise it is fine.

>>21600939
Obviously don't have a well for your home, my water comes straight out of the ground under my house , not boiled

>>21600647
no washing that brown off your skin.

>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T EAT ANYTHING RAW OR YOU'LL GET SICK

they sperg every time they see me drinking diet soda or energy drinks. complaining about how bad aspartame is for you, meanwhile they drink regular soda constantly. it was only a couple years ago they started drinking some amount of water. I don’t think they have any idea what they’re talking about, it’s like everything they know is a myth they heard 20 years ago that they decided to believe forever

>>21600945
Your grandma probably spoke English good enough to buy food and get by. I've heard of people learning to speak German good enough after a week in Germany. Learning a new language isn't as big a deal as people pretend it is.
>>21601783
Boomers think we're a bunch of babies like them. Most boomers raised their kids with the intention of their kids being even more babyish than them. Such boomers cannot comprehend the possibility that not everyone wants to be baby ninny sheep like them.

>>21600945
Poles have a high rate of polyglots
My grandfather spoke something like 12-14 languages by the time he was a teenager
The Polish air corps made up the backbone of experienced pilots in the RAF during WWII and most of them spoke English
My great-grandfather spoke at least five languages, Polish, German, French, either Austrian or Hungarian, and English, but it could have been more, I just don't know
I used to speak Polish but kind of lost it when I was still in elementary school, not very handy in Wichita
English is actually my third language but it's my strongest since it's actually useful to me and I've used it the most and longest
In any case I'd be surprised if her kids didn't speak a good amount of Polish even if they hid it at the time, being a hyphenated-American was not a good look back then, and people stressed that English was their main language even if behind closed doors that wasn't the case

I'm consistently baffled there is apparently a significant portion of the country that believes you have to wash and literally scrub supermarket chicken pieces or its not safe to eat.

>>21600945
Learning a new language when you move to a new country is not hard. You've just been convinced that it is to excuse the millions of third worlders dumped into western countries who refuse to learn the new country's language even after being there for YEARS.

>>21600387
No, they aren't Asian.

>>21600672
damn spoiled meat
temp correction is needed...

>>21600672
The shit retards think is amazing. Bacteria will die in the freezing process. Thats THE POINT. What you think you're referring to is the toxins the bacteria leave behind not being destroyed by the freezing process. This is why, for example, freezing a rotten piece of meat doesnt suddenly make it safe to consume. But the bacteria would indeed be dead. Dumbass.

>>21601881
it seems many people’s most sought after pleasure in life is a sense of intellectual superiority

>>21601886
>it seems many people’s most sought after pleasure in life is a sense of intellectual superiority
NTA but you're not wrong
From a young age i taught myself programming in half a dozen programming languages, taught myself electronics, microcontroller programming, circuit board design. Even now as a 28 year old I'm teaching myself mechanical design

>>21601803
>Poles have a high rate of polyglots
Yeah they also spell their own name incorrectly so what does that tell you? Even in their own family after immigrating they had several different spellings.

>>21601860
>You've just been convinced that it is to excuse the millions of third worlders dumped into western countries who refuse to learn the new country's language even after being there for YEARS.
Modern day illegals are coddled such that they don't even have to attempt to learn english. I know I cannot learn a new language, but when the US government puts everything into their language theres no incentive. But our grandparents generation shame still existed and they could yell at an illegal for not knowing any english and kick them out of the establishment. That was their incentive to learn what they could. Today its "fuck it" and you're not allowed to beat illegals anymore.

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>>21600430
holy based

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>>21600785
but it actually goes higher than 100°C since you have a tiny bit of pressure at the bottom of the pot
and if you heat more you create steam, which is also hotter than 100°C and makes boiling shit faster

>>21600387
My in-laws think that anything left out of the fridge for more than an hour is spoiled. My wife used to be all freaked out about food spoilage but I've calmed her down. Our noses developed the ability to smell bad food for a reason.

>>21601881
Most bacteria aren't killed by freezing but inactivted - if not by the low temp by the lack of liquid water.
But no, freezing does NOT disinfect a meal, somehow they survive the ice crystals and low temp, persistent little fucks.

>>21602047
my mom is like this too. Growing up, had to deal with
-"we have to go straight home after the grocery store, no more stops"
-when a meal is prepared, it must be consumed within 20 minutes or immediately goes in the fridge
-raw meat must be prepared within 24 hours of buying it or it goes in the freezer. once it goes in the freezer, it must be prepared within 24 hour of coming out of the freezer, thaw status be damned.
-"you can't leave the butter on the counter, it'll spoil"

>>21600430
>based dad
>tranny son/"daughter"
Many such cases.

>>21602133
>raw meat must be prepared within 24 hours of buying

Only recommended for minced meat. Because that one is a germ paradise. A compact piece of meat holds up a lot longer.

>>21601306
>My dad freaked out when i ate the loaf end since he thinks it preserves the bread with it there.
It does though. If you put it back in place it keeps the rest of the loaf fresher and less exposed (surface area wise to the internals) to air and light.

>>21602043
>and the steam might melt the inside of the top of the kettle, thus mixing pollutants with the water that is boiling
Yeah I can see the logic. Especially with kettles that have plastics.

>>21600387
When you boil water for the first time, it releases little bubbles of dissolved air that ensure it will start boiling at 100 degrees. If you let that water rest and then boil it again, it won't have the dissolved air and you may get superheated water, that goes above 100 degrees and starts boiling when you disturb it.

All the people who read The Jungle and thought "holy shit my meat might be covered in shit" and not "the people who process my food are treated appallingly".

>>21602141
>I wish I had a dad: the post

>>21602241
Do you care how well oiled the six-axis welding robot is at the car assembly line? No? Then why the fuck would I care how well treated some felon working in a bottling plant is treated?

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>>21600704
fuck me if that's true. I mean it makes sense

>>21602043
something like a 3% pressure difference and a 4% steam a minute at best (and I'm being generous there) is gonna mean nothing to the average home cook. >>21600785 isn't wrong to ignore the nuances when it doesn't matter to them.

>>21600447
As others mentioned, the odds are it's gonna have more microbial growth on it. In a commercial kitchen where food is made in bulk requiring a ton of steps with many openings for 'danger', practice like this should not be done. But in your home you're taking the same risks as eating raw eggs or raw flour dough. I've done it before, but I know the risks. Rice shouldn't be left out overnight but I and my ancestors do it; alcohol is a carcinogen, but I drink; driving in a car is probably the closest you are to death, but I drive. Just try not to do it often or in an extreme way. Funny enough, in a lab, multiple quick thawing and re-freezing (like 10x) can actually kill some bacteria even to near 100% reduction (see below), but at home where you work with large objects, if it takes hours to thaw the food and hours to freeze, then you get the normal danger others here talked about.

>>21601294
>>21601881
This is absolutely incorrect. At temps below the freezing point, the bacteria are not killed immediately (as opposed to heating above the various >100F temps that the USDA recommends), and the USDA does not recommend this at all as a means for sterilization. Not even colder than flash frozen temps < -30C will sterilize your food, as lower temps won't alter the level of microbial reduction. Hell, sometimes even higher than -30C are better at microbe reduction, like -15C for E. Coli, which in even a generous case will give something like only an ave ~75% reduction (other situations it could be only 50%), whereas below flash freezing they're all the same ave >50% reduction (longer freezing times will kill more) - not even close to say that
>the bacteria would indeed be dead
>die on cue
whether it be a freezer at home, or a flash freezer on a boat. Flash frozen temps for fish is practiced only to sterilize the parasites and their eggs ubiquitous to fish - parasites much larger than bacteria, like worms or tapeworms.

>>21601886
Fucking this man. People are weird.

>>21600447
So he's correct? Lol

>>21600704
Anon are you perhaps mentally retarded? While water does boil at 100c adding more energy to the water (obviously) heats the water above 100c and produces faster/more vigorous boiling. I mean, I have a degree in chemistry but this just feels like shit a babby should understand intuitively lmao

>>21601881
A very minor amount of bacteria will die, retard. Freezing kills large pathogens (parasites etc) not bacteria. Don't try to lecture people when you have no clue what you're talking about, dumbass.

>>21601493
Are you >implying boiling magically stops being able to kill off those things?

>>21602704
Kill yourself mentally ill retard

>>21602193
Placebo

>>21601881
freezing only *slows* bacterial growth you dumbass enjoy your listeria

>>21600447
It "spoils" it in the sense of ruining it - as opposed to the more common "food related" use of spoil; meaning it's infested with bacteria and rotten away

>>21601294
"Resetting" the clock by freezing also does nothing to remove any bacterial waste products that may have accumulated though

>>21600430
That's why it's called wonderbread.

>>21602468
makes a difference for boiling noodles for me
if i dont have literal bubbling water i need to cook them longer and they become larger bec of all the excess water

>>21603136
theyre talking about a rolling boil bubbling vs normal bubbling boil, not no bubblinb vs normal bubbling. You can have your stove on a higher temp setting (or rolling boil) before and when you dumb your noodles in because the noodles will drag the temp down, but after the whole thing is boiling with the noodles in, they're saying you don't need to keep it on a high heat setting, as the whole thing is at 100C. No one is telling you not to have bubbling water, since that isn't even boiling

Do you retards not cook your meat after thawing it? You freeze 2 pounds of ground beef, thaw it, cut it in half because you only need one pound, then rebag and refreeze the extra pound.
>muh bacteria!
Somehow because it was cold and then warm, and then cold again, it got even more bacteria on it than what was already there? And that also is some kind of problem because you intend on eating a pound of raw meat?

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>>21603920
Retard

>>21601900
And yet you're still unemployable

>>21603936
I have never not been employed anon
If my boss is to be believed, it's very difficult to find hardware design engineers who can design IIoT devices with sub 3uA sleep current.
I really don't know, seem easy to me. If i were my boss, i would have fired me for working only 2 hours a day

>>21602704
where did you get your degree? a cereal box?

>>21600944
If you put a steak or burger especially into a pan and don't flip it, eventually the raw side facing up will pool juices on top of it.

This is proof that searing forces juices out of a steak, heat constricts the muscle fibers forcing the juices out.

The reason you "think" a seared steak is juicy is because the juices have a bigger mouthfeel once they're forced out of the muscle fibers, compared to a raw steak.

>>21602141
They can't be that based then.

>>21600574
Had a roommate in college who asked me "what the fuck I was doing" when I put milk in some oatmeal and microwaved it. He thought that microwaving milk would make it rancid, not curdled, but actually spoiled because it was being warmed up. Guy is now a civil engineer after cheating through all of his classes.

>>21600822
Boomers/GI generations essentially refused to pass any life skills down to their kids half the time, which is one of the biggest reasons society is so fucked right now. Everyone has to learn everything from fixing a car to cooking ass an adult, when they have less time and ability to learn.

>>21603956
Mine are in the 100nA range but boiling water twice makes a difference in demineralization.

>>21600430
The lentil bread is unironically healthy for the gut and digestion, it's been studied that it can help prevent some types of cancers.