>>21601960
a vegan cheese pull is probably the most limpwristed soyboy thought to ever enter my head

>>21601960
Yes you use potato starch in the recipe and you get a cheese stretch

>>21602004
Prove it.
>>21601960
In my experience, there are fake-ass cheeses that taste like actual cheese and fake-ass cheeses that melt but there is no fake-ass cheese that does both for some fucking reason.
We're having a cookout in a couple weeks. I wanna do pizzas for it. Some of the guests are vegan so I've been looking into this shit exactly and for the past month now and have yet to find a single of the fake-ass cheeses that manages to do both.

>>21602025
just use the one that taste like cheese. pizza doesn't need to have a cheese pull unless you want a mess

>>21602782
>pizza doesn't need to have a cheese pull
It still has to be gooey

>>21601960
Yeah, you just use regular cheese and don't tell the delusional individual what's inside
>>21602025
Don't cater to the vegans, if they don't want to eat good food then that's their perogative. Let them have potato chips and side salad

>>21602025
>In my experience, there are fake-ass cheeses that taste like actual cheese and fake-ass cheeses that melt but there is no fake-ass cheese that does both for some fucking reason.
That's because most of the people trying to invent it haven't eaten real cheese in months or years.

>>21602797
I really don't give a fuck about vegans, I'm not vegan myself, but I am curious about the progress made in this field. I've had vegan products before and honestly some of them come pretty close to the animal counterparts, like the patties, ice cream, 'chicken', but vegan cheese has always been way off. And I began to wonder whether it's even possible to make it seem as close to the real cheese as possible

>>21601960
yes, with recombinant casein produced by yeast or bacteria

>>21602788
every pizza that is older than 30 minutes has a pretty solid cheese. you can present it to the party as a precooked pizza instead of cooking it at the party

>>21601960
The stretchy-ness of cheese is due to the bridging interactions of phospholipids-calcium-protein. So yes, in principle it can be mimicked. In practice, however, the "vegan" label severely limits your protein selection for product development. Formulations thereof typically include lecithin (phospholipid source), calcium chloride, and whatever flavor of the month vegan protein Kerry/Cargill/Ingredion/Solanic are trying to sell you.

Now cheese doesn't really melt in technical sense, it is not a phase transition similar to ice melting or water evaporating. It is more of a glass transition. To mimic the "melting" of cheese, you can use any number of hydrocolloids (starch as the one guy mentioned, guar gum, carrageenan, etc). It's a complex challenge. Due to the absence of ample research time and competent scientists, most companies just mix a bunch of garbage into a base formula that sort of works and let marketing do the rest


>t. phd chemist that worked in a food science capacity at a large company

>>21602855
Also, I'm trans. Not sure if that matters.

>>21602855
Tell me science man, is diet coke worse for your health than the regular coke?

>>21602892
Yes but only because drinking it makes you a faggot and faggots get AIDS

Avebe says potato protein works. Haven't tried it, not a vegan. You can find potato protein easily, they sell it to make vegan macarons.

https://www.avebe.com/pb-cheese/
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2017150973A1/en

>>21602984
PS. the recipe on the website uses way more potato protein than in the patent. But the preparation is probably the same as in the patent.

>>21601960
Can you create a replacement for the molecule H2O? Like, make it the exact same molecule, but different.

>>21602816
Good thing you're not me and not planning a cookout with a few vegans then, shitbird.
Also, vegan doughnuts are pretty good so long as they're not creme filled. The creme always tastes of soy. Jelly is fine.
I actually make a lot of vegan baked goods.
>>21602797
I like to be courteous. It's an annual potluck block party and after nobody made anything vegan (except bread rolls lmao) the first year we did it, the missus and I try to make sure that we provide something vegan. Last year, she made vegan kheema pav, which is essentially Indian sloppy joes. She used European lentils instead of ground beef.
The year before, I made buffalo and teriyaki yuba/tofu skins. You just rehydrate the strands of skin, tie them into knots, fry them and toss with sauce of choice. This year, it's my turn again and i wanna do either pizza or onigirazu. Onigirazu is easier to make good and vegan, but labour intensive and my wife refuses to help because I didn't help her last year (too busy yuckin' it up). Pizza is less labour intensive but the vegan ones will have either textural or flavour issues because vegan cheese fucking blows.
>>21602782
That's what I'm leaning towards unless I make vegan cheese myself. Like Daiya, I've figured out how to make it melt-y but not how to make it taste good. VioLife smoked provolone is texturally a little off but tastes surprisingly like actual cheese but it doesn't melt and I can't get my homemade cheesealike to taste like that.
If I do the onigirazu, I'll have to start cooking the rice, cooling the rice and wrapping shit at, like, 8am to make enough for the block by start time. And I know my hands are gonna be pissed after.

>>21601960
No, best you can get is artificially vomit flavoured oil slop

>>21603007
>Vegan Indian food
Of all the possibilities you choose the one that absolutely requires meat, you fucking retard.

>>21603084
Are you serious? Indian food is probably the most vegan-friendly cuisine out there, just substitute butter for oil and paneer for tofu

>>21602855
>>t. phd chemist that worked in a food science capacity at a large company
what's the chemical that they use to give things a coffee flavor? it tastes the same in all the different products so i think they all use the same one

>>21603007
try using the meltable cheese and flavoring it with nutritional yeast and some vinegar if it doesn't taste tangy already

>>21603103
You are disrespecting authentic Indian cuisine bloody benchod basterd

>>21603084
I didn't choose it. My wife, who is Indian, did.
See, everyone on our street but her is white or east Asian or both, including me. I remember the conversation we had when she settled on kheema last year. Since I already use lentils to make vegetarian American tacos, she thought "why not use them for kheema?" She said she wanted to make something that was finger food, not too foreign or spicy since her background is not common here in North America (Americans only know Punjabi cuisine and think it represents all of India) and new to most Americans. Kheema ticks all those boxes. The other option was tomato koshimbir, which is basically salsa with coconut in it. I'm glad she went with veganised kheema and so was everyone else.
>>21603103
See? Exactly what she deals with. There are vast parts of South India that use smoked fish in fucking everything. How do you make that vegan? All people know is the North and honestly, so did I.
>>21603111
We actually do have a jar of unopened nooch somewhere. I've never used it.
>>21603142
lol.
Bro, if you were real, you'd probably lose your shit at half the stuff she comes up with lmao
She's Western born so the established orthodoxies of Indian cuisines don't really mean much to her. When she makes proper kheema, we eat that shit with fettuccine and top it with parmesan.

>>21603201
>I didn't choose it. My wife, who is Indian, did.
who forced you to marry an indian?

Your ancestors are incredibly disappointed in. You.

>>21603353
It's likely most of our ancestors were assholes.

>>21603103
Yes that's my point you fucking inbred

>>21603353
My ancestors are dead and have long become food for worms

>>21603201
>My wife, who is Indian, did
JD Vance browses /ck/

>>21603201
>My wife, who is Indian,
Nuremberg laws can't come back soon enough.