How do i make a good meat and beer pie? I feel like it's the only bong food that's looks good.
>>21628579you're essentially just making a thick beef stew and putting it inside pastry. so separate it into two components: the stew/filling, and the pastry. learn how to make both of those good individually, then combine them.
>>21628579>beer pieif only my wife would make these instead of getting into screaming matches about therapy and rehab
>>21628579Make Chef John's butter crust pie pastry but in addition to putting the butter in the freezer, put the flour in the freezer, too, then rest it in the fridge
>>21628579>Americans call a steak&ale pie "meat and beer pie"
When I was in the UK I had the small homemade steak pies and they were fantastic.
>>21628579>make stew>put it in pastryIt’s not difficult.
>>21628579Look up Tom Kerridge's recipe
>>21628592>>21629341>a thick beef stew and putting it inside pastryWhy don't you just admit you have never had a meat pie before?>>21628600>Make Chef John's butter crust pie pastryUsing an American cook to make Pies?I despair . . .. I really do.
>>21629375Ok cuntychops what IS the filling of a steak and ale pie if not a thick beef stew?
>>21628579A big part of making a good meat pie is balancing the final moisture of the filling of end product. Therefore, don't make a stew in the usual fashion because it's going to turn out too liquidy. Avoid adding a lot of veggies because they are going to release too much liquid.Potatoes and rice are good, because they absorb liquid.What you need is a tough cut of beef that is going to release a lot of gelatin. I use beef used for making soups.Add garlic and onions and maybe tomato concentrate and stew until it's falling apart tender. Then let it cool. If you do it properly the stew will turn solid from all the gelatin.If it comes out too thin, or you don't have enough gelatin, you can added mashed potatoes to help thicken it up. It goes well with it anyway.And use short crust pastry.
>>21629378To say a Pie is just a stew is too simplistic, it's like saying a cheese and tomato toastie is a pizza. Pie fillings are specifically made for a pie, they are far thicker than any stew and unlike a stew, they usually do not contain any veg, especially a steak and ale pie. Most ingredients are cooked beforehand but there are exceptions to this; It's often a good idea to blind bake the shortcrust base before adding the filling, the lid can either be shortcrust or puff pastry. Thank me later.
>>21629383>steak and ale pie>riceClueless cunt.
>>21629383>rice
>>21629388When was the last time you had sex you sad cunt?
>>21629375The fact that you are referring to it as a ‘meat pie’ tells me you don’t know what you’re ion anout. Classic foreigner trait.
>>21629390Tell me more about your rice pie?
>>21629375>>21629387I make steak pie several times a year. It basically is like making a stew for the filling. You just want it thicker than a normal stew obviously so it doesn't run. You want to cook it down until the liquid forms a gravy, essentially. But the fundamentals are the same, you're braising beef. It's not exactly the same, but for the purpose of learning how to make a pie, you should be familiar with the same techniques you use to make a stew and build on that.>they usually do not contain any veg, especially a steak and ale pie.Eh, disagree. They quite often have onion, carrots, and/or mushrooms.
>>21629391>Classic foreigner trait.Yes I am a bong and this is my other post >>21629387I think I know a bit more about British Pies than Americans.
>>21629396>Eh, disagree. They quite often have onion, carrots, and/or mushrooms.EhhhNo.We have mince and onion pies and beef and mushroom pies, along with chicken pies which often has peas in them but Steak and Ale does not have visible veg.
>>21629394Rice is used as a filling filler in lots of meat pies from around the world.But in this particular instance I was writing about general meat pie theory and how you can manage moisture, by the addition of potato, rice or other commonly used thickeners.If you want an example of rice based meat pie:rice, pumpkin, olives, tuna/salmon(other seafood), garlic/onions/herbs, is something we grew up on.
>>21629398I can pull random pictures from google too. It doesn't prove anything. Plenty of people make them with some veg. In any case, nobody is saying it's exactly like making a stew, but for somebody who is unfamiliar with how to make a pie, it's a close enough comparison to get the idea across of what techniques they will be using. You're being pedantic.
>>21629399>Rice is used as a filling filler in lots of meat pies from around the world.NTAGood for them.But the home of the real meat pie is Britain and you will never find rice in them, if you need to thicken the filling because of a skill issue, then add a bit of cornflour but no rice.>t.Bong
>>21629403Your picrel contains carrots.No Surprises.It's from an American website.Shame.
>>21629404Sure sure, but I know meat pies more than you do and my post was way more detailed and helpful than yours.
>>21629413>but I know meat pies more than you doI'm sure in your mind, you think you do.Take a look at my previous posts, if you haven't learnt anything, then there is no hope for you anon.
You can have visible vegetables in pies. Or even an all vegetable pie. There's no rules.Some of the best pies I've ever had have been Asian fillings like Thai Green Curry and Beef Rendang.I'd like to make a Bo Kho pie, which is a Vietnamese version of a french beef stew. I think that would work really well as a filling
>>21629394Kek.
>>21629417This looks like an Australian attempt at a pie, I give them 8/10 for trying to copy the Brits.
>>21629388welcome to /ck/. home of culinary genius. creator of the world famous rice pie. enjoy your stay.
>>21629421Yes the Australians and Kiwis are very serious about pies and they are also open to creativity. Plus most of the bakeries are operated by Vietnamese so you get a lot of Asian influences. It's great! Having so many different pies to choose from instead of just speckled wood grouse and jellied catfish pies or whatever you eat in mother England
>>21629411No rice tho……
>>21629424>Yes the Australians and Kiwis are very serious about pies and they are also open to creativity.They try hard to become pie kings but they just can't make it, stick to Lamingtons and leave Pies to the Motherland.
>>21629425KekRice pies, it's a new one on me . . . .I am still chuckling.
>>21629364This is the best answer. It's actually pretty simple, or he makes it look like it. I've done it. Pastry wasn't as good as his, but I don't own a mixer
>>21629428Noone is gonna beat UK on the classics especially the pork pie. And the Cornish pasty. Let us do the weird experimental stuff in the outposts. If we find something that works we'll report back.Also I've eaten thousands of varieties of pies and never have they included rice in any form, just sayin
>>21629432>and never have they included rice in any form, just sayinIt was probably an American, I don't think for one minute that an Aussie or Kiwi would do this to a steak pie.
Lol at bongs thinking they own the meat pie.First of all, they stole it from the French.Secondly, baking a filling in a pie is a worldwide culinary tradition.Get fucked sore empirelets.
>>21629435Mostly we just thicken with flour or cornstarch. But it's better to just cook down into a thick stew. That's why thick slow cooked stews like Rendang work so well. You cook it down until a spoon can stand upright, then it makes a good filling
>>21629443It's sort of what I said here >>21629387Fillings are made for pies and they start off thick, not just a boiled out stew and I agree a little cornflour may be needed if the filling is too weak, rather than turning the filling into mush by overcooking. No rice by the way . . .KEK.
>>21629435Putting rice in a pie is fucking weird. Probably puts cheese in there as well.
>>21629456>Probably puts cheese in there as well.Do you mean 'Imitation cheese flavored food product' ? Some Brit pies do have cheese in them on top of the filling but they are usually a non-melty cheese like Stilton.
>>21629456>Putting rice in a pie is fucking weird. It's not. You're just being a cunt for no reason, despite only halfheartedly contributing to this thread with your shitpost that added no real value.
>>21629460Nobody puts rice in a fucking pie, you idiot.
>>21629460Putting rice in a meat pie is not normal, who on earth told you it was?
>>21629463>>21629465First of all, let's address the fact that you are both ESL niggers who cannot comprehend written English.Then we'll go from there.
>>21629478Spastic
>>21629478It seems like Tyrone Hernandez is upset that a Bong whose family goes back to the Domesday book, is upset that I laugh at American rice pies.
>>21628579i don’t like cooking with beer. most meat i use vodka but a splash of bourbon is great on bacon
>>21629423>cooklet claims authority on a culinary dish>make a complete cunt if himselfMany such cases. Sad.
>>21628579>meat and beer piePro tip: you actually want to use a stout like Guinness. I know it's a cliche at this point but it does add more of a savory umami flavor to it.And use beef chuck or stewing beef. The cheaper and fattier, the better. You can leave that shit on the stove for ages and the gravy will become really rich and hearty.
>>21629562>savory umami flavor to it.>umamiREEEEEEEEEEEEEEYou set off my autism.In all fairness a stout is Ok but you should try a Brown Ale that isn't just an 'Iron flavour' . . .maybe try a Newcastle Brown or a stronger ale such as Hobgoblin. Like any beer, you need to boil it off quick or the gravy will be too weak.
>>21629572get over itumami is a fine word
>>21629411>Your picrel contains carrotsYes anon. That was the point. There are many, many pictures of steak pies with carrots, or onion, or mushrooms. It's a perfectly normal thing. Serious question, have you been diagnosed with autism?
>>21628592Lolol dude just say that you don't fucking know. It's ok.
>>21629584>There are many, many pictures of steak pies with carrots, or onion, or mushrooms. It's a perfectly normal thing.And my point was, it's from an American website and let's face it Americans don't know anything about food unless it's from a packet or take-away chain. Enjoy your carrot and rice 'meat' pies . . . I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
>>21628579There are a lot more pies than just steak and ale but look up bong cookbooks and borrow the recipes basically. Pastry all down the sides and the bottom is more common for individual serving pies but stew-with-a-hat is probably more standard for something you'll serve to many people and you'll see both variants. There's also a lot of autism for the type of pastry and that's going to have a major effect on the type of pie you end up with. My advice is to read and watch a bunch and combine the various steps into the sort of pie you want.Mary Berry etc are your more old fashioned recipes.https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/recipes/mary-berrys-steak-and-guinness-piehttps://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/international/european/british/mums-steak-and-kidney-plate-pieHairy bikers are usually a solid source for classic bong cooking but a little more modernisedhttps://www.hairybikers.com/recipes/view/steak-and-ale-pieLess complicated recipes.https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/how_to_cook_steak_and_15585https://realfood.tesco.com/recipes/steak-and-ale-pie.htmlhttps://nigellarecipes.co.uk/nigella-steak-and-ale-pie-recipe/These are more like what's practical to make at home using a few shortcuts (cornflour, gravy granules) for a more modern process.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxs7gQuZDH0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhAtTaont4ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-v8iKb22YYou can turn a top-only pie recipe into a full recipe just by making more pastry and layering the sides first, or better yet go shortcrust/watercrust for the bottom and flaky or puff for the lid if you want full autism. Allow the filing to cool before you put it in the pastry if you're doing this to avoid (overly) soggy pastry. Also despite memes garlic and vegetables are perfectly normal in traditional bong cooking just not overwhelming the main part of the dish which should be the beef. Carrot and celery, maybe mushrooms also sensible. Herbs and Worcestershire sauce too.
>>21629460Cheese in Pies is very common and tasty.
>>21629640Here's your Cheese Pie bro
If I bite into a steak pie and I find a carrot im gonna stab a mfactual fucking am*ricans shitting on our British cuisine just to provide the most lazy, incorrect "recipes" for a steak and ale pie I've ever seenYou know whats in a steak pie? Fucking steak, you want to eat a carrot? Fucking boil a carrot on the side, fucking Amerisharts man.
>>21629417Okay fuck off and put your gook foods into a pie but don't claim it's a British pie or a steak pie.
>>21629397>wow the culture that sailed around the world to collect spices it never used in its cuisine says it knows more about cooking than any other culturefuck off wanker
>>21629562Stout or ale, either is fine, just don't use lager. It's called steak and ale for a reason.>>21629638As for other standard types of pies there's variations on the steak pie like steak & kidney and whatever and then other meats or ingredients + different types of pastry (flaky/puff/shortcrust/lard). Also sometimes it's not pie shaped.>ham and chicken (I suspect closer to an American chicken pot pie)https://www.nigella.com/recipes/chicken-and-ham-pies>chicken and leak (chicken and mushroom also common)https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/chickenandleekpie_90191https://www.hairybikers.com/recipes/view/chicken-and-ham-tangle-pie>fish pies (usually mashed potato rather than pastry, like a shepard's pie)https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/mums_everyday_fish_pie_43141https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/mary_berrys_fish_pie_79943>cornish pasty (and scottish bridie which is basically the same just without vegetables)https://cornishpastyassociation.co.uk/about-the-pasty/make-your-own-genuine-cornish-pasty/https://rickstein.com/blog/rick-stein-cornwall-cornish-steak-pasty-recipe/https://scottishscran.com/forfar-bridie-recipe/>cheese and onion pastryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRoc2Vy-XYhttps://culinaryginger.com/british-cheese-and-onion-pasty/>pork pies (usually eaten cold)https://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/occasions/christmas/christmas-100-recipes-to-freeze/old-fashioned-raised-pork-pieshttps://hedgecombers.com/british-pork-pie-recipe/>scotch pie (good luck finding lamb mince in the USA)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-v8iKb22Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otLK3-9uKuk>curry pie (surprisingly difficult to find a recipe but just shove chicken curry in scotch pie pastry)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGFXT_wmW8wAnd then the autism hole goes deeper into shit like game pies, bacon and egg pie, cheese and bacon pastries, the weird scottish macaroni pie, vegetable pies and whatever else you want to put in pastry.
>>21629658>Okay fuck off and put your gook foods into a pie but don't claim it's a British pie or a steak pie.Aussies don't claim our pies are British pies you rat-faced fucking mongoloid. Aussie pies are Aussie pies. And we'll put ENTIRE FUCKING UNPEELED CARROTS in our pies if we want to, you chimney-sweeping knock-kneed snaggletooth gimp.Try and stop us
>>21628579Simple. You make a thick stew with beef, carrots, onions, celery, mushrooms, rice for thickening and an ale or a stout like Guinness - I've also added some crumbled Stilton before and it was really good. Then you make shortcrust pastry and fill it with the stew. Cut some vent holes and put it in the oven.
>>21629658>a British piewe(Brits) have curry pies. pie is a medium just like a sandwich.>>21629692unless you're an abbo or a pajeet/chink, you are British and your pies are as Australian as apple pies are American
Rice in savory pastries works really well.
>>21629692Truly, Australians were rightly condemned to their containment island of 12 feet tall man eating spiders and feral drop bears.
>>21631609They even make pastries that are basically risotto in puff pastry cups. So the concept in itself is solid.
>>21631609>carbs in carbs yummy! I can smell jeet on your breath
>>21631609No it fucking doesn't. Shove the rice up your fucking asshole CUNT.
Australians and Brits think they are the only ones who do savory meat pies because it's the peak of their culinary mole hole. Meanwhile every other culture also has savory meat pies, but it's so normal that people don't even mention it.
>>21631613Kill yourself
>>21631609You're a fucking idiot. And a cunt.
>>21631616Carbs on carbs are something the Brits famously adore. And frankly, yes it works really well.>>21631618I don't care about your opinion, cooklet.
>>21631620Me eating a steak bake as you type your drivel about some shitty chicken pot pie nonsense: "damn that's crazy I'm happy for you tho."
>>21631621It's funny because you'll probably be munching on your risotto filled puff pastry cup the next time you're at a wedding, then you'll remember this whole thing. Haha, get bent poofta.
>>21631627I had salmon, beef and cake at my cousin's wedding. Rice is for throwing on the ground.
>>21631628That's working class as fuck and I respect that. I don't want to make fun of you. I'm also half working class.
>>21629435>It was probably an AmericanI don't think so, he was talking about eating rice, olive, and seafood pies growing up
>>21628600Wrong chef John. Use the proper English chef John.https://youtu.be/FhAtTaont4o
>>21631620>>21631586>>21629658Pies are actually a Chinese invention.They were brought.back to Europe by Marco Polo, same as Spaghetti (noodles.)Locally, the Japanese copied them, as did the thais, viets, cambodians, Australians (including newzealnds) and so on.Thats why there are so many bakeries in Asia.
>>21631765What's the point of this? It's even funny.
>>21631717You faggots don't realize that most of Europe and Central Asia have some kind of savoury pie dish.
>>21631771I am setting the record straight
>>21631777See>>21631765Pies are Chinese in origin
>>21631784Well, you aren't. Pies in England pre-date Marco Polo. They were called coffyns and the crust was used to preserve the filling and was thrown away.
>>21631790Pies in China pre-date that by a longshot.Its actually the same with a lot of things, like sandwiches.The british old wives tale of the ear of sandwich is a nonsense fairytale.
>>21631790Don't bother.Americans get salty at anything British and invent all sorts of stories, I think it stems from the fact that North America has no original food of it's own.
>>21631809Chinese scholar Shu Xi mentions them in a poem 1,700 years ago. In addition, archaeologically preserved pies have been found in Turfan, Xinjiang, China dating back over 1,000 years.
>>21631805>>21631814Yeah yeah yeah, I mean that's a lie. As I say, not funny and it's pointless. But say that it was true, how would the English know of these pies if they wouldn't have had contact with the Chinese? Oh, oh was it some lone knight from the first crusade who went astray and stumbled upon the pie eating Chinese? Yeah yeah, let's call him Bernard de Saint-Mountjoi. He was so inspired that he took the recipe and crawled back to England with it, nearly killing him. Then spent the rest of his days in a monastery deciphering the Kaishu script recipe of a pie. This is so hilarious. Ooh the trolling is delectable.
>>21631784I'll see your record straightXiao pang gook want dik suc fucky fuck small penis ching Chong boy pee egg industrial smog that burns your eyes
The new thing to do is claim that all of China's environment pollution and corruption and total lack of care for human life or civility is "in the past" or "was vastly overstated" and that it's actually the west that is the problem.Just steal everything and re write history
>>21631873Its simple:>UK pies fist seen in the 1500's>Chinese pies seen 1200 years earlierImagine trying to say some little knife-crime hell hole invented the pie lol, lmao even.>>21631889I think i hear your economy collapsing, round eye.>>21631898>environment pollution and corruption and total lack of care for human life or civilityOhohohohohohoWould you care to share examples? Pretty sure your hands are not clean on this, kettle.
>>21631975>Its simple:>UK pies fist seen in the 1500's>Chinese pies seen 1200 years earlierImagine trying to say some little knife-crime hell hole invented the pie lol, lmao even.They weren't "first seen in the 1500s", as I've outlined. So you've ignored that completely. Secondly you haven't evidenced anything you've claimed. I may a well say that lizard people came up with the recipe for the pie. Given the first point, the fact that there wasn't any contact at that time, the invention of the pie (if in both places, regardless of the difference in time periods) would've happened separately and not from diffusion. I suppose lastly, pithy little comments such as "some little knife-crime hell hole" inventing the pie is immaterial to me. I'm not proud of the pie or where it was invented. I just called out your utter bullshit because it was weak. You're in no way anywhere near as intelligent as you think you are and moving onto such banality with your last response reinforces this. How strange and pathetic.
Romans had pies. Arab had pies. I would bet even Babylonians had pies.
>>21631975Full of cope.The method of preserving food in a baked flour/water case was brought to Britain by the Romans, the Britons later developed a crust that was edible and served hot - ie. A Pie. Americans refuse to accept this as they have no original food as their own and even argue that fish and chips is jewish, even though the jewish method of preserving fish was the same as the Roman method. Americans should not really comment on food as they no idea what they are talking about and perhaps they should stick to their fast food or favorite candy threads?
>>21629383Most stuff online will tell you to just use cornstarch. Probably easier for most people
>>21632017>Wall of copeLol, lmao.Young man, you can cope and seethe alp you like, but all your country's food comes from elsewhere>Indian curries>Middle eastern kebabs>French beans on toast>Australasian bbq on your 5 days of summer per year>Israeli fish and chips>Chinese pies>>21632149Maybe, but romans got it from China.Same as brits got sandwiches and pies from China
>>21632081>>21632017>>21631975If you want the chink to seethe and dilate and go away, just start posting pictures of White men with Asian women in the thread.Chinky ‘pies’ are just a shit tier version of Mongol Hoshurr anyway.
>>21632081NTA, but why aren't pies mentioned throughout the bible then?
>>21632239Shit kid... you got rekt, you're shuddering. Ouch it must be hard to get flayed so badly then still respond in the knowledge that you got ruined so badly - how pitiful. You're fortunate that this is an anonymous board. If you're over 18 - I'd be surprised. But even if you are, I'm certain that you still live in your parent's house and have no definitive plan to vacate their premises. They're quietly embarrassed by you.
>>21632239Fossil evidence says there were people in Britain 500,000 years ago but they only ate grass and mud pies until Marco Polo in the 14th Century right? You have gone beyond trolling into the realms of stupidity.
>>21632262>Resorts to personal insultsI accept your complete surrender.I am feeling generous today, so i will donate you a temu stab vest, and a toothbrush.
>>21632263>there were people in Britain 500,000 years agoSure, but they were true English, with their own diet.All brits now are descendants of immigrants.They probably enjoyed eating some basic plants and animals.
>>21632275>All brits now are descendants of immigrants.I thought people like you said all Brits are inbred?Make up your mind?
>>21632280Hmm you seem to have a deep seated issue, an identity crisis, even.When did I, or anyone in this thread say that?Don't worry, maybe the new brits that are coming in will teach you new british food
>>21632239>>21632017>>21631975>>21632275>>21632289>Talks shit about British people>By writing in EnglishBecause your third worlder babble is frankly embarrassing
>>21632299>Brits calling any other country the third worldAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHHAHAHAthank you lol
>>21632303Why even reply
>>21632275>All brits now are descendants of immigrants.This isn't remotely true.
>>21632306
>>21632322Actually it is, its an immigrant country
Britain has been conquered by africans and middle easterners.
>>21628579Nothing beats a good old British Pork Pie.
Lot of seething posters in this thread. Y'all got issues if you're getting pissed off on a topic about pies.
>>21632383I think it's the same anon trolling and causing trouble.
>>21632332>Population movement 1000 years ago totally counts as immigration guys!By that metric, every country is an immigrant country
>>21632382>BritishAnon I...
>>21629652Imagine getting angry at an American for putting vegetables in your shitty dish to make it healthier lol. Think about how ridiculous that is for a second.
>100 replies arguing about who invented ityer pie holes are for stuffin', not seethin'.>>21628579For me, it's beef shin and picrel.Cut the beef into 1" chunks, dust it in flour and brown it in tallow. Sweat some diced onion and carrot, throw the beer in along with stock, a couple bay leaves, Worcestershire sauce, and a spoon of Marmite. Low heat for at least a few hour, add water if it starts to catch, but it should be thick. Add some larger chunks of carrot and mushrooms for the last 15 minutes if you want, then check the salt level.Half tallow half butter pastry, shortcrust for the sides, rough puff for the top (just divide the in two, fully rub the fat in for one and fold/roll it in for the other).
>>21634102Thanks for the recipe but American interpretations of classic pies are not really valuable or relevant.
>>21634102This sounds like a damn solid pie recipe, except that tallow is a word I'm more used to burgers using for beef fat.
>>21633394>Want a steak pie>Ummm actually can you add carrots pleaseGenuinely, you an actual moron? Are you fucking stupid? Fucking die. Do put out carrots in a fucking steak pie, eat them on the side like an adult.
>>21634130Didn't even read his recipe but that's a British beer, retardo.
>I can put carrots in my pie because I'm an adult and I can do whatever I want!!!!You can also go fuck yourself.
>>21634102>MarmiteIs this acidic? Feel your stew needs acid, else it'll be a little flat
