Teflon>may leach toxins and plastics into to your foodCopper>may leach copper to into your foodAluminum>may leach aluminum into your foodCast iron>may leach excess free iron into your food>can't cook acidic foodsCarbon steel>same as cast ironStainless steel>may leach nickel into your foodCeramic non stick coating>last ~3 months and than may leach toxins into your foodGlass>breaksWhich cookware should people fucking use then?
for me its microwaves
>>21636316>Copper>>may leach copper to into your foodJust don't use unlined copper.How hard is it to just buy the right pan?
>>21636316>TeflonFlakes are chemically inert to ingest after its production.>AluminumAll have non-stick surfaces rather than raw aluminium, seems exceptionally rare compared to everything else.>Cast iron>Carbon steelExcess free iron? What study did you read to suggest this? It's bullshit less you grind it down and lick the dust.I cook acidic foods in these all the time. Muh perfect seasoned surface is a meme not worth entertaining.>stainless steelSame as above you have to actively try to destroy the metal beyond using cooking tools to get any noteworthy nickel in you.>ceramicProbably fine but seems to lack a standard on what it contains other than ceramic.>glassOnly breaks if you don't follow recommended procedure but is largely not worthy of consideration.
>>21636316Silver
Iron and steel. The primordial truth.
>>21636316a bismuth pan seems reasonable
>>21636316>>can't cook acidic foodsPeople have been cooking acidic food in cast iron for centuries. This is a stupid meme.And I notice how you had to add "free" before iron to pretend its somehow bad for you.
Copper and aluminum are generally coated with a thin layer of stainless steel
>>21636316>may leach copper to into your food>may leach excess free iron into your foodSo? You need both of those and proper use of your cookware isn't going to to add anywhere near a dangerous amount of either to your diet.
>>21636316cook your food on a flat rock you found in the woods
>>21636388bare copper with acidic foods should be avoided over prolonged periods of time.But it's like YEARS of doing it daily where it can become a real health concern.Doing it once or twice isn't a problem at all, and realistically almost all modern copper cookware intended for regular use, is stainless steel lined
>>21636393>copper is harmless>that's why they line it with a material that will leach harmful nickel into your food instead???
Eat raw like our ancestors, or use wood if you must
>>21636394lollmao evenAre you allergic to nickel?If not, it's not a problem.And even if you ARE, you have to be VERY allergic for you to get any impact from food cooked in a stainless steel pan.
>>21636401The tolerable daily intake of dietary nickel for people without any nickel allergy is 13 μg per kg of body weight. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>21636429okay lets do the math13μg/kgThe average male weighs ~70-90kg, lets say 70kg, so that's 910μg of nickel per day that is tolerable for an average male.Now lets see how much nickel is leached into food, from multiple sources i'm seeing ~30-120μg per serving, with only a few tests on brand new pans and super acidic sauces simmered over multiple hours, and even those were under 200μg.Again, unless you're allergic, you're just being a retard.
>>21636316No lil Timmy. The plastics and steel and copper didn't make your dick stop working . It stopped working because you are a fat mentally retarded gooner that sits in mummy's basement playing video games all day. In Africa they literally use TRANSFORMER oil to fry their food. Yet look at the size and potency of their black cocks
>>21636380People were dying before age 70 for centuries too
iron and steel are the move. >free ironcongrats, you aren't anemic now
>>21636316>cast iron>may leach excess free iron into your foodnot a problem>can't cook acidic foodscompletely falsenot to mention the other stupid shit you said here
https://misen.com/products/carbon-nonstick-pan?variant=42372534829137I'm going to buy one of these. it's finished like a glock slide.
>>21636316get a flat rock and sand it smooth
>>21636380>for centuriescast iron didnt like exist for aristocrats until like 1800
>>21636316Copper is fine. Pur body uses it. You also dont get enough through cooking to make a difference. Unless you have that disease that hates copper and wrecks your body, you're fine. Aluminum is a big no-no. It accumulates in your brain, gives ya alzheimers.NEVER heard of stainless leaching anything. THE GOOD: Stainless, Carbon, Copper, Silver, Gold(apparently), Cast Iron, Earthenware(no chinese kinds, you'll get lead).THE BAD: Teflon, Aluminum, Plastic.
>>21636839>>21636841>>21637485Yep, these.
>>21637485>NEVER heard of stainless leaching anything.It leaches chromium and nickel, but it's pretty much irrelevant unless you're super allergic to either one.
>>21637504Huh wild. Had to look it up. I guess it does. But like the others, it's in such miniscule amounts and even decreases the amount of leaching over time.
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>>21636868>>21637540based cave-man posting
>>21637485Basically this. I only cook in stainless and 1 copper pan I have. Healthy as a horse.
>>21636316>Heating something to extreme degrees may result in transfering some of that element to its contentsWow who could have seen that coming
My father use a pan mase of Galium. Its very sturdy and naturally non stick
>>21636316Teflon is one of the most chemically stable substances possible. It's only a minor risk to pet birds if you massively overheat it, like instantly burning anything that touches it hot.
>>21637566The process of producing teflon goods however is incredibly harmful to the environment (and the people living in that environment) Also while the Teflon itself is inert, the chemicals used in production are usually found on the pan itself in small quantities.
>>21637568>The process of producing teflon goods however is incredibly harmful to the environment (and the people living in that environment)So not a fucking problem if you're not a retarded Pakistani factory work that wears sandals to the steel mill.Also totally changes the objection from it's harmful toxic, to well if you have stupid safety rules it's harmful during production.>Also while the Teflon itself is inert, the chemicals used in production are usually found on the pan itself in small quantities.Small is an understatement. Found at levels of PPT. Parts per trillion. as close to zero as you can honestly expect.
>>21637575Those PPT levels are still dangerous, moron.
>>21637581>Those PPT levels are still dangerous, moron.No they are not.
>>21637590Lol yes they are.It's likely harmful in even lower levels than that, we just can't easily detect levels below PPT.
>>21637591You would be extremely hard pressed to find any substance in a concentration of 10 PPT that has any identifiable health effect on a human.
>>21637605And yet we already have evidence 4PPT for some of these chemicals IS harmful to people.The EPA suggested even lower limits but aren't legally allowed to enforce them.
>>21637575>So not a fucking problem if you're not a retarded Pakistani factory work that wears sandals to the steel mill.>Also totally changes the objection from it's harmful toxic, to well if you have stupid safety rules it's harmful during production.You do realize those chemicals are produced in large quantities within the US....right?They just updated to newer chemicals that aren't controlled but are basically the exact same just with slightly different chemical bonds, but have the same health effects on people.This isn't some 3rd world only thing.
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>>21636847I bought one. It arrived just the other day. It is genuinely incredible. It is totally nonstick, I pushed it to see what I can do. Cooked an egg with no oil, no sticking. I hope their next move is to just release this shit as stainless (the outside of the pan is already stainless, just not the cooking surface), because there's zero need for seasoning with this pan.>>21637566>It's only a minor risk to pet birdsIf by "minor risk" you mean they die within minutes of exposure, yes, it's a minor risk. It WILL kill them.>if you massively overheat itIf you get it just below steak searing temperature.It's poisonous to you too. You just won't die from it.
>>21636316The risks of cast iron, carbon steel, stainless steel, and ceramic are pretty well-known and manageable. Your body has evolved ways to purge those metals from your body so they don't bioaccumulate, and the trace amounts you get from cooking are super unlikely to actually cause a problem.Copper can accumulate if you cook acidic foods with it. Get a pan lined with stainless on the cooking surface and you'll never have a problem.Aluminum is really more a problem with cheap aluminum that contains a lot of lead.With teflon, the material just hasn't been used in cookware for long enough for us to really understand the long term health impacts. While we know it bioaccumulates to a degree, we don't really have any concrete ties to or known mechanisms of disease. It's an area of active research. If you're careful with the pan though and don't scratch it or overheat it, it doesn't flake off.
always cracks me up when people say breathing the same teflon fumes that kill birds is fine because it doesn't literally kill humans on the spot, like as long as it isn't literally killing you I guess it's fine lmao
>>21637664Most people do not know that it kills birds. And most people when they hear "it kills birds!" think it's some schizo thing or maybe over time it is damaging to birds.They do not realize birds die within minutes of exposure to overheated teflon, and do not realize they have likely overheated teflon.>>21637566Like this guy, who says it's a minor risk, and claims it's only when massively overheating. You ever forget a pan on a burner? Teflon poisoning. You ever sear a steak in teflon? Teflon poisoning for sure. You ever burn anything in teflon? Teflon poisoning.Even if you haven't, your roommate, wife (yeah right), mom did? Teflon poisoning bitch, if you're in the same building you're affected. They use steel and scratch the surface? If you ate that food, teflon poisoning.
>>21636316ez
I regularly make tomato sauces in my cast iron, just reseason after lol
>>21637715Or... just use stainless.
>>21636316>Cast iron >Carbon steel >Stainless steelIf your weak ass immune system can’t handle any of these, you might be the problem. Don't blame the cookware
>>21637724If I'm cleaning it after what difference does it make?
>>21636316OP, it's simple but not simple. A GOOD pan selection is based on TWO factors 1) your HEAT source 2) your SKILL using said heat source.Example would be: how well do you know HOW to use a campfire WITH an aluminum pan to fry potatoes and carrots? How well do you know to use induction and steel to fry fish? What about glass on glasstops? See what I'm getting at. Teflon on coils etc? Gotta experiment AND keep getting your skillset up levels.
>>21637728Because obviously you don't have to go through the process of reseasoning it, and stainless works just as well for sauce.
>>21637671So, since teflon/nons-stick pans are the most sold pans (or new derivatives of PFOA) then ~98% of the population has long term severe teflon poisoning and it never shows up on any medical tests or symptoms which derive from it?As you said, people fuck them up and overheat them all the time.
>>21637633How do I make soup on sticks
>>21636316>>21637735cont'dif you're burning at lava temp levels to release metals at toxic levels or at worrisome enough levels often enough, then you should hire a professional and put away cooking. Anxiety is bad for your health and will cause as much grief as those metals will. True story. Love you, Anon.
>>21636316all of them are fine>>21636397/thread
>>21637738>never show symptomsPeople said the same shit about leaded gasoline and asbestos."lol it's in everything, if it was bad we'd know!"
>>21637771We know of lead and asbestos poisoning and what it does to the body. It's detectable and has severe symptoms associated with it.Why isn't teflon poisoning detectable and a cause for ill symptoms then?
>>21637792>we knowYes, that's right. And yet we used it for decades and companies and governments assured people it was safe anyway. Again, you would 100% be calling me retarded and shilling for leaded gasoline and asbestos if this conversation was happening decades ago. "Hurr I use it and I'm fine!">Why isn't teflon poisoning detectable and a cause for ill symptoms then?It is detectable and we do know it is toxic.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8272977/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23230259/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25706449/
>>21637771listen, anon, [you] and several gents are showing symptoms now, right now, because of trying to rattle up everyone on facts that are well know. The real danger = the compounding effects = microplastics + petroleum products + leads + acids = that are emerging into our food sources as well are becoming more impactful than just this topic at hand. what this is is just becoming another sycophantic loudspeaker for another cooperation to point fingers at another one, run a sale, raise a new product called "safe and effective" blah blah blah" etc. and the cycle continues while nothing except more r&d gets funding because that is the ONLY thing "safe and effective" to really do atm. end of rant.
>>21636316>nobody itt mentioned enamel>>21636382I'd say tin is more common for copper. Especially on older ones.
you need iron in your diet, obviously too much is a problem but if your pan leeches a bit of iron why is that a problem?
>>21637797A guy literally burns the entire middle of his pan to ash while huffing it up and is hospitalized with scans of his lungs with a note saying >"His symptoms dramatically improved over the following 2 days after admission."The other two go over metal fume fever and says:>Prognosis: Metal fume fever is typically a benign and self-limited disease entity that resolves over 12-48 h following cessation of exposure.So it's a big fucking nothingburger? (as it seems to stand currently).Did you google this up right now or were they your basis from the start?
>>21637812>okay okay it is toxic and it can have immediate side effects but like it didn't kill immediately so definitely the long term consequences can't be bad!enjoy your lung cancer bro
>>21637815What long term consequences did your links speak of again?Guessing and being right isn't the same as providing evidence suggesting it.
>>21637819>uhm ok it's toxic, kills birds, causes flu like symptoms but totally, definitely it's long term safe>trust>after all even breathing dust will cause cancer, surely plastic vapors are safe
>>21637825And now you're putting words in my mouth. Stop embarrassing yourself and get rid of the bad habit of googling studies trying to support an opinion you already had before reading them.Unlike you I'm fine with either way this goes but you're clearly dying on that hill.
>>21637830I'll put whatever I want in your mouth because you don't care what comes out of it.>it's mildly dangerous to birds>oh ok actually it kills them nearly instantly>it's not toxic to humans though, nobody has ever proven that!>ok actually it is but I don't care!There's no convincing you because you only care about being right in an internet argument, and will make whatever ridiculous claims based on zero research you must to continue to hold the opinion you had before. In short, you are programmed one way, the first thing you think is what you always think. Opposing evidence doesn't matter, you can move the goalpost. Ok, it's toxic? Well, maybe it's not longterm toxic! Somehow you find a way to deride evidence proving your statement 100% false, and then shift to a new statement without any shame.
>>21636316I only use cast iron and stainless steel now. Most of my stuff is Le Creuset.
>>21637837You're just replying to a retard who has used teflon his entire life and doesn't want to think about the potential negative health effects it will have on his life long term so he thinks you MUST be crazy, because if it was bad HE'D surely know.Basically just cognitive dissonance. Even if you hand-fed him the evidence he'd still do mental gymnastics to invent some way it doesn't happen to him.
Maintain your cookware. Rotate use if concerned. Enamel-coated cast iron dutch ovens are a fave, for backpacking I use titanium and pour boiling water into my scratch dehydrated meals (stainless and glass dehydrater) and their HDPE vacuum sealed bags.
>>21637736Wiping off the dish, wiping on and then burning the oil is no more effort than scrubbing off and then cleaning with soap and then drying it.
>>21637857I mean, objectively it is more effort, considering it requires an extra step and additional time on the burner.
>>21637857Are you disabled? Washing a pan is obviosuly much easier and faster. Especially SS.
>>21637797see>>21637803wow, amazing to see a reason why they invented specialized cooking items like the f'n ricecooker, vegetable steamer, le microwave, woe is to us for not seeing all this before. you're just larping at this point. go to /sci/ bitch
>>21638042Go back, you absolute redditor.
>>21637725Your immune system shouldn't be attacking any of these. That's an allergic reaction.
>>21638076says the faggot posting on a forum that worships peach fuzz on petite butts
>>21638076no, wait, I'm gettin something coming in, oh no, I was wrong, it's a forum that worships dank beats and feet porn
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>>21638340tandoori
>>21638435bismuth laminated corn husks arranged into aperiodic flintstone vitamin tiles
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>>21638447it's been 25 years, still no cancer, but a bum burner: 25oz metal coffee can, metal grate, some cardboard, motor oil for fuel. Cooked a Hardee's heel of roast beef they were throwing out at end of the night shift in an alley.
>>21638448yeah, he's totally gonna suffer from toxic fumes. In the trash it goes.
@grok there are too many retards fighting, which one is correct?
>>21636316Stop listening to jews and just do what you want.
>>21638241just get your TSH (T3) and (T4) levels checked periodically - they are your antibody immune responder levels for your thyroid. You may not have outward symptoms showing all the time, but this check will clear any doubts.
>>21636316Copper leaching requires a looong time + high acidity. As the trace mineral that helps regulates iron levels (and men not bleeding monthly, and fortified trash grains), the copper pan's all upside.
>>21638582>high acidityit just requires the right type of acid.copper + household vinegar creates literal poison
>>21637893>>21637898>wipe food bits off>apply soap/oil>remove soap/oil>dryit's the same
>>21638857Copper pans are always tinned for this reason... Verdigris is really visible. If you're cooking in, eating from, or drinking out of anything resembling a copper roof or the statue of liberty, stop and reassess your shit.
>>21637485Would any steel pan do? Like, some regular ass pans on Ikea would do?
>>21640034My go-to cheap stainless options are Tramontina Tri-Ply, Henckels Clad H3, or Cuisinart Multiclad Pro (MCP-12 is a good set)
>>21636316we all gonna die someday, homeslice. don't sweat the small stuff.
>>21640011>always tinnedit doesnt take much to know youre full of shit
>>21640966Are you cooking in an industrial mixer? Copper's great at the factory food level, especially in brewing, because it inhibits bacterial growth, but in such a setting nothing sits in it for long enough to strip it or give it a patina, it gets cleaned and sanitized constantly, and health and safety shows up every few months to make sure nobody's packing up Indian Childhood Cirrhosis in the milk or listeriosis in the balogna for more than 3-6 months at a time. If you're using bare copper in your cookware or drinkware at home... don't.
>>21640966That's one of the specific instances where unlined copper is totally fine since the sugars in jam make it non-reactive with the copper.Both candy making and jam making are done in unlined copper because of the thermal control copper affords. It's totally safe and using that picture as some "proof" just makes you look even more retarded.
>>21640992do 9you0 know where 9you0 are even are at <mate>? go troll over there ----> where 9you0 were doing just fine b4 tard
>>21636316>Which cookware should people fucking use then?the real answer is: all of themevery type of cookware has it's pros and cons, so just use the material that is better for the food you're cooking (e.g. cast iron for steaks, teflon for eggs and fish...).the best and safest all around cookware is probably stainless steel, but it takes some practice to cook on it.
>>21640992This. it's either jam/candy or polenta (which is just corn flour and water), the only two specific uses for which raw copperware can be used with no health risks.every other food tends to react with copper and form toxic compounds, since most foods are acidic.
>>21641376Whipping egg whites is another one
>>21636318HOLY MOTHER OF BASED
>>21641378basically, all the desserts that needs to be cooked on a stove, since they all have a lot of sugar.custard, zabaglione...egg whites aren't usually cooked on a stove (maybe on a bain marie for some types of meringue) but apparently beating them in a copper bowl creates a chemical reaction that helps forming a smoother and more resistant foam.
>>21636337>chemically inertasbestos is chemically inert to digest lolDidnt read the rest but u r a reatard
>>21641473>muh asbestospeak midwittery
