>"American version of said cuisine is better than the original country's"is this cope or true? Ex: people will be like Italian American food is better than Italian food in Italy lol wtf. If you say different ok, but better?
In some cases it is better, but usually it's just different, as you said.
>>21662954examples?
>every person has different tastes First day thinking about other people and not just yourself?
>>21662955Pizza is a good example, for a few reasons. Firstly, "Italian vs. American" pizza is already a misnomer after WWII, because "Italian pizza" is Italians basically making an American version of what was sold as a type of foccacia, basically. Pic related, they call it "pizza a taglio" and sometimes in the USA it's "roman pizza", but the practical upshot is that they would make foccacia and other types of bread and then sell it with extra ingredients on top: usually this was sold on the street or from a baker, etc. Basically a way to make the bread more filling and the price was reasonable as a result. Pizza in the USA started in a similar way, but the USA tends to 'amplify' foods or take certain things about them to extremes. So if you had a roman pizza slice with cheese, tomato, and one with meat, Americans would want 'all 3'. Eventually this becomes the most popular kind, and as tastes evolve, you get a small spicy salami on top we now call 'Pepperoni': this doesn't exist at all in Italy and is essentially a wholly American invention.Over time the popularity of these foods gets to the point where a factory is opened to sell sauce (Chef Boyardi), or you have fast food chains which grow huge selling the 'amplified' version of the food.People then go to these other countries and ask for 'Pizza', but because it doesn't exist in the way they expect, the locals end up creating a new kind of dish to cater to those needs. I'd say that the pizza we have now IS better than the original '1-2 ingredients on bread' that it came from. But then, if you want to talk about who is making the better modern version and what's "authentic", I think the conversation no longer makes sense because neither is authentic. It's in this way that American versions improve foods, but as I said if you're comparing two modern versions, Italian vs. American, it's just apples to oranges, as opposed to plaintains vs. bananas which is more like the "original" vs. the "modern" versions.
>>21662950Italy is a relatively new countryDuring the 19th century many of the people who would later be in Italian territory moved to the US where their food was preserved, sometimes updated, sometimes standardizedOther Italians lived with Austrians, Germans, Hungarians, Macedonians, Greeks, etc., where their foods took on different influencesLater, when Italy unified, many European Italians returned to Italy, whereas most Italians living in America stayed hereSo in some ways Italian-American food was more authentic, at least back in the dayBoth have changed since, although interestingly enough some American dishes became very standard in Italy, like pasta bologneseBolognese in Italy prior to the American influence was made with pork and veal, carrots, and cream, it had no tomato in it at allAnother example would be eggplant parmeseanEggplant parm used to be a layered casserole and was not breaded, but floured and fried before layering and bakingSo with these two examples, bolognese was very much improved by America, while eggplant parm was butcheredI have no dogs in the pizza fight, I like them allWell, not French pizza, that's dogshit, and I'm FrenchAlso fuck French tacos
>>21662969Have you had original bolognese? It's very good. I think both versions are so different they should be kept separate.
>>21662969>French tacosWould make more sense if you called it a "French Burrito", but they always look bad.
>>21662955American Chinese food is completely different from what people in the Middle Kingdom eat, and the rest of the world basically only knows Chinese food from it's synthesis with the American palette and ingredients
>>21662966Least incel post.
>>21662967>>21662969from what I understand, it naturally then comes to preference and your personal "preset" shall we say (pallette), someone who's only eaten in N.A probably will have to adjust when coming over, whereas maybe someone who grew up eating thier grandparents food is more naturally suited
>>21662966I didn't say i can't form my own opinion, but when I hear a dominant opinion, I'm curious is this is actually the case for most people, im not talkin about myself you schmuck
>>21662976>paletteYou're american right?
>>21662986>pallette
>>21662989>>21663000whats your obsession with pallette
>>21663030>palletteThe word 'palate' refers to the roof of the mouth, one's sense of taste, or a usually intellectual taste or liking. The word 'pallet' means “a portable platform for handling, storing, or moving materials and packages.” If you want the name of a thin oval or rectangular board or tablet that a painter holds and mixes pigments on... you want the word 'palette'.Guess which one YOU used, retard-san?
>>21663048whatever you thought of when I said it beech
>>21662950>americans prefer american food
>>21663052>actually you should interpret my brown retardspeak because I can't spell or write properlyNo thank-you.Consider instead fucking off, retard-san.
>>21662950>San Jose, CA mentionedAyyy! I need to swing back by Tony DiMaggio's for some stromboli.
>>21663048Nobody cares but you, anon.
>>21663030Based american.
>>21663063You're an american zoomer right?
>>21662976>and the rest of the world basically only knows Chinese food from it's synthesis with the American paletteWho are you trying to fool? The rest of the world doesn't revolve around America but you lot don't realise this. Americans prefer American food and their HFCS copies because they have NEVER travelled to other parts of the world to sample the originals. American exceptionalism is alive and kicking. Quite sad really.
>>21663056u mad weebo kek
It's not a black and white subject. American pizza has a lot more freedom of ingredients and tends to be more "comforting"; whereas Italian pizza has high quality ingredients and never makes you feel gross eating it. Same goes for sauces, Italian sauces are heavily but alfredo tastes so good when you ain't got an Eyetie in yo ear telling you it's nasty.
>>21662950It’s cope. Italian-American food is dogshit compared to actual Italian food. t. Italian-American
>>21663074I just know a pseud when I see one, and this sort of fixation with overexplaining simple misconceptions like it's enlightening is classic pseud behavior.
Italianxs are going to get mad and cope but italian food and italian-american food are hardly distinguishable. Same ingredients and same techniques 99% of the way through. The only reason there's any distinction at all is because Italians are neurotic and insecure faggots who want attention and a gold star next to their name. Compare this to the relationship between Mexican food and TexMex where there is nearly 0 things in common with each other ingredients wise or technique wise.
>>21663091writing >palletteor>paletteis classic retard behavior, nigger.
>>21663091hes also gay
>>21663085why do you say that>>21663111is all the best italian american food in one region, and in italy all the best food scattered sorted of thing?
>>21662950everything american is worse because americans decided to poison the food and water with glyphosate and fluoride, so everything tastes like a public swimming pool
>>21663116You probably think so because the word is used more often on /ck/, and there are more retards than average infesting this shit board. But being unable to recognize cognitive bias is classic pseud behavior, so this does not surprise me.
>>21663091>people shouldn't know how to spell, at allLmao fuck you
>>21663177I never said that. But learn to punctuate before criticizing others, illiterate anon.
>>21663180Now THAT is pedantry. Conveying what you mean vs. conveying it 'correctly' is a faglord argument.>uh, I don't even have to know how to spell or know which word is whichThat's important because otherwise you have a slippery slope down to retard speech.Cope or seethe, call it.
>>21662950Not from burgerland but in the UK the 'american' style pizza that the big chains sell mogs Italian pizza all day. Went to Italy a couple years back and every pizza I had was 90% bread, 1% sauce and 10% leafy greens and it was shit. Didn't even offer good toppings either. Sometimes the origin country just makes an inferior product that other countries perfect.
>>21663181They're both pedantry, but cope and think yours is less petty if you like. Glad you corrected your punctuation at my request, though.>speechThe irony.
>>21662973Yeah I did make it, and it was nice, but when I reheated it I added tomato paste to it and it was noticeably better>>21662975They should just call them something else entirely because even though they look like burritos the fillings are way offEven Swedes have better tacos and they're basically your standard white people ground beef crunchy tacos with Pace >>21662986The town we came from in France had a large Italian population and they all had their own recipes and every household did it the "right" way and everyone else was "wrong"It also had a big Polish community so I grew up eating things like pierogi bolognese and homemade vodka limoncello Also for whatever reason a lot of people put a ham layer in their lasagnaI think the fastidious rules about Italian food are kind of...bullshit, there's no other way to say itLike carbonara being raw egg, I think that caught on in the 80s and 90s, before that, it was hard scrambled egg
>>21663202op here, i probably should have been a bit more precise in what i meant, because i dont think those two products are no longer the same, thats more of a case of derivatives, but in terms of variety and lets say making the same thing, does the n.a offer better or italy in terms of total cusine
>>21662950As a whole, probably not. The overwhelming amount of landmass on that map only offers chain restaurants and the walmart grocery section. However, there is a small amount of americans who are voracious learners and will do everything in their power to make something to the absolute best they can, and they can and will succeed. Like some random creamery in Central Point Oregon won a best cheese in the world award, hosted in Italy, for their blue cheese.
>>21663227so you are not from America, have you tried Italian American food? what you said makes sense btw
>>21663220You got destroyed
>>21663269Dual citizenship; I live in the States, so yesItalian Americans have created a culinary time capsule where Italian food was starting to take advantage of potatoes, tomatoes, and peppersSo it's good but limited and a bit quaintItalians in Italy adopted a broader culinary influence (that includes American) and has evolved a lot over timeI would absolutely go to Italy if I wanted to explore food, but if I wanted something comforting and predictable I would stick with AmericaAlso I'm sure Italy brews good beer but what they export is piss, and that's the same impression most people have about American beer, which I know is wrong
Americans don’t have refined enough palates to enjoy native cuisines. They also think the slop that’s been Americanised (i.e Italian/Mexican) is the same food you’d be getting in Italy/Mexico. They’re the same as Pajeets, their tastebuds are absolutely fried so they can’t taste anything subtle.
>>21663325>They also think the slop that’s been Americanised (i.e Italian/Mexican) is the same food you’d be getting in Italy/Mexico.Nobody thinks this, in large part because of people who are insecure about their cultural heritage never shutting the fuck up about the exact thing you are saying there.
>>21663325this
>>21663325>>21663348I eat native food pretty often, I even learned how to filter Aqua Net into liquor from a couple of Ute ladies
>>21663354Eat this, faggot
>>21663269>>21663314Italian American food varies a ton depending on where you live too, some states it's very hard to find anything good but if you go to the Northeast it's easier to find great Italian food.
>>21662955Pho is better in California according to actual viets
>>21663325there are so many mexicans where I live that you can drive into town and not hear a single word of english or see a single white person. there are grocery stores where everything is in spanish. if these people are making their food differently here than in their home country it's only because they think it's better that way, not because they were trying to appeal to el gringo.
>>21663271Stfu foggit your crying about spelling kek
>>21663314>dual citzyou rich anon lol?
>>21663325can you link me two videos of American version and native version of a dish so I can get a better understanding anon
>>21663378kek
>>21663445did they say why they think that?
>>21663490Over there its just a quick and light soup made for breakfast. Here the broth has developed into something more robust and flavorful. Also better access to quality meats iirc.
>>21663501gotcha
>>21662950Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There's a lot of really shitty tiktok """chefs""" who tries to reinvent the wheel by fail miserably.
>>21663472you seriously got obliterated. this was like watching some jobber fight goku.
>>21663077>American exceptionalism is alive and kicking. We are exceptional and awesome. Thanks.
>>21663563>goku>mentions japanese cum swallowing porn for no reason
>>21663474French dad, American mom, second culture army brat, we moved around a bit until I was a teenager
>>21663570>on 4chan.com the anime websiteYou got shitbliterated, again
>>21663588>/ck/ is one person>after she mentioned Boo Cake
>>21663563>obliterated>over spellingdo you have friends anon, im starting to feel bad
>>21663077It's ok bro I live in world capital where everyone immigrates so I go over to my Chinese homies house to eat sometimes and he eats retarded shit like boiled unseasoned pig feet, but hi wife always has the best wines so I don't mind. I'll stick with the orange chicken though. Better luck next life thirdie.
>>21663271Nah that guy got a taste of his own pettiness and is whimpering in a corner at the moment. Probably why he had to send you from his gay sex shed instead of replying himself.
>>21663077>The rest of the world doesn't revolve around America but you lot don't realise this.You couldn't tell that from how many people seethe about Americans unprompted on this board. America seems to have a fairly large stake in their minds at all times.
>>21663908It doesn't matter if 'that guy' got a taste of his own medicine, the other 'guy' got fucking ruined either way
>>21663915>crying about getting Uno reversied is ruining a person these daysIn what world
>>21663923Sorry, I don't speak gay.
>>21663077Why would I have to travel across the world when so many cultures are tripping over themselves to come here and bring their ethnic foods along for me to try out? I have the great luxury to basically eat whatever culture's food I want and I don't have to leave my country and can still speak my mind without being imprisoned.
>>21663077>The rest of the world doesn't revolve around AmericaIt does actually :)American website btw
>>21662976How can you be so confident in your ignorance? Chinese restaurant all over the world has been catering for local taste independent from the USA. In India it is mostly vegetarian dishes, in Peru they have several unique potato dishes you won't find anywhere else, in the Netherlands they have been serving a fusion between indonesian and cantonese cuisine for over 60 years. Even in "american" style wok to go places you won't find orange chicken anywhere else, but the US.
>>21664116>How can you be so confident in your ignorance?Seems to be the theme for this thread.
>>21663578nice
>>21664156We even lived in Kansas for a while and I remember one time my dad took me to a biker bar to try "pigs lips" which was pork jowl slow-cooked in butter and Crystal hot sauce and holy shitI mean I literally still think of it to this dayAlso a country ham can be every bit as good as any prosciutto from the Old World
>>21664845baller as phuq
>>21663077>The rest of the world doesn't revolve around America but you lot don't realise this.>He says this but when America does anything europeans or non-americans in general freak the fuck out and demand that they involve themselves in our politics.
The American version of Italian food comes with the benefit of making Italians cry
>>21662969>whereas most Italians living in America stayed hereThe majority of Italian immigrants in America returned. Something like 75%
>>21666414>europeans or non-americans
>>21666594Well most of the demographic of "I NEEEEEED to involve myself in american politics!!!" are europeans. That's why I singled them out specifically.Silly billy.
For me it's food
>>21662969What is french pizza ?
>>21663077>The rest of the world doesn't revolve around America but you lot don't realise thisname 1 other thing that gets discussed
>>21666414Euros are a special level of obsessed that they deserve their own category of jealousy.
>>21662950It's propaganda
>>21662950>people will be like Italian American food is better than Italian food in ItalyLmao
>>21662950Whenever someone says that Italian -American cuisine is better I remind myself that Chicago deep dish pizza is a thing so that opinion can be safely and immediately disregarded. New York style is okay though, but sure as shit not better
>>21668407i suppose this means all of the bizarre gross dishes that nobody actually eats CAN represent italy for comparison
>>21662950This is not true for European cuisine but it probably is for 3rd world countries. >>21662967Stop coping man most people don't even know what a Neopolitan pie is because most people are uncultured know nothings. Among actual people in the know, I would say Italian pizza is always seen as the superior product.
>>21662950I can say without any reservation that American Chinese food is far superior than Chinese Chinese food. Sure, you can get some Americanized sloppa instead of Real(TM) Chinese Food, but you can also get Real(TM) Chinese Food made with high quality ingredients and without gutter oil and toxic industrial waste thrown in.You really seriously can't get that in China unless you're Xi Jinping and have the power to execute anyone who serves you toxic waste. It's just not possible for normal people.This is why every time Chinese people go on tourist trips to other countries, especially the USA, they bring back an absolute shitload of vitamins, food products, purses, and whatever else they can lay their claws on. You cannot trust ANYTHING you buy in China.
>>21663976>American websiteOwned by a Japanese guy.
>>21668407>Chicago deep dish pizzaWas made by a guy who wasn't Italian/italian-american and had never actually seen a pizza but heard it described as a "pie".
>>21663077>The rest of the world doesn't revolve around americaYes it fucking does and it's retarded for it
>>21668136It's not a single style, it's that every place that serves pizza has their own take on what pizza isOne thing that's pretty common is to put one hunk of topping on each slice, so like, if you order a 4-cheese pizza it will be a pizza with 4 slices, and one slice will have a hunk of brie, one slice will have a hunk of bleu, one hunk of gruyere, etc. A pizza place opened up in our home town and they use pre-baked pizza crusts like fucking DiGiorno except they used these thick cracker crusts that ate like damp hardtackAt least they did topping normalIt's just that a lot of French people think that, especially when it comes to food, they automatically know better, so they just make shit up Tarte flambee is great, I don't know how pizza went off the rails so hard
we're not white so it doesn't matter
