>>21667328
Well you got one now
Although for the record it will be gay
And potentially fake

>>21667328
I support the idea, but it would also just be an invitation to trolls and I don't think any thread would go well and be effective

what's some vegan food that actually tastes good, has a decent amount of calories, low saturated fat, decent protein, low industry chemicals

>>21667394
Stuff with chickpeas. They're super fucking useful. I eat soy too, but chickpeas has better uses.

>>21667328
Why are eggs off limits to vegans?

>>21667411
Dunno, but one raiseable point would be that most egg farms leave the chicken in the most degenerate conditions.

>>21667411
Some vegans are okay eating eggs if they come from basically a pet chicken.

>>21667418
They also kill all the male chicks and as soon as the chicken stops laying as many eggs they usually kill them too.

>>21667328
we do lurk here but unfortunately the immorally insecure personalities on this website and board will always shit up these threads, so post at your own discretion
>>21667386
basically this

Yeah as long as the food actually celebrates the ingredients instead of being highly manipulated sad cope pretend-meat

>>21667328
I'm not vegan but I would contribute to a vegan general because I know a lot of vegetarian cooking that can also be vegan

>>21667394
A lot of SE Asian meals are mostly vegan not because of politics but because of poverty.
Like steamed rice with fried tempeh, herbs and vegetables. It's delicious and healthy and just happens to be vegan (not on purpose)

Promotion of mental illnesses causing physical harm needs to be punished severely instead of ignored.

>>21667467
This, all the fast food glorification threads by people who think it's okay to be obese must be purged

Pro tip: freeze tofu, thaw tofu, and press tofu before cooking with sauce. The internal water expands when freezing which makes a firmer tofu with little pockets which hold sauce better. Sounds like a meme but actually works.

>>21667394
Rice, beans or tofu or tempeh, a cooked vegetable, and a raw salad. Maybe some fruit for dessert. That's how I eat most of the time. I have chicken or seafood in place of beans/tofu/tempeh about twice a week and I eat dairy. I think a mostly plant based diet with dairy, occasional lean protein, and little to no processed food is probably the best diet. Going full vegan makes people miss out on too many nutrients and causes malnourishment.

>>21667562
I've had this, it slaps

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>>21667328
I wish you well. Just don't harangue everyone for eating meat or "dead flesh" and you'll be fine.
I've done the vegan thing before and it's interesting as a diet vacation, but I couldn't live that way. If I had a triple bypass and the doctors told me I had to I'm well prepared on how to do it deliciously, but it'd be sad.

If you're gonna eat vegan just eat naturally vegan whole foods. No meatless sausages or soy cheeses. No imposter products. I'll have fruit sorbet, not "Tofutti" ice cream knockoffs.

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>>21667411
Because even though it isn't painful to the chicken, it's I guess preventing the egg from becoming a life. And also it's containing the chickens (which were born only to produce eggs) in a cage. Even with all the free-range whatever, they still won't eat them. Or honey, which bees make anyway with no prodding from us.
I don't understand hardcore veganism. Ovo-lacto vegetarianism I can totally see. You're not killing anything for the meat; it's a clear line you're not crossing. Cows NEED to be milked daily. We may as well make delicious cheeses out of it.

>>21667652
They're unfertilized eggs, nothing will hatch from them

>>21667652
It's more that the industries that produce these things are interlinked with the meat industry. There is no large scale egg/dairy producers where they don't kill the animals when their production declines or any male animals. Cows also don't produce milk by default, they do that when they've been impregnated

>>21667659
Cows like sex

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>>21667659
Okay. None of that is more important to me than flavor though.

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I'm having lamb tonight. Delicious.

>>21667662
Sure, I'm just explaining the reasoning

>>21667662
>being an immature and immoral slave to completely shot taste buds
pathetic

>>21667652
>Because even though it isn't painful to the chicken
Someone pointed out to me that wild chickens only lay like 10 eggs per year and domesticated chickens will lay 300. And that can end up stressing out the animal as it's not really meant to be laying an egg almost every single day, it's just what we bred it for. It takes a lot of nutrition and energy and effort to produce that many eggs. And similarly with cows, modern breeds produce a lot more milk than they normally would.

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>>21667328
For me it's a homemade dhal, in a Singapore/Malaysian style that you find in curry houses, so easy, cheap and tasty, make a shitload at once then freeze a bunch of it. Probably have a kilo or so in the freezer at any one time. You can eat it with rice or flat breads but mostly just eat it by itself, super tasty and healthy. I'm fibremaxxing these days after a friend died from bowel cancer in his 30's and it's a very easy way to hit daily macros with it.

That and tofu stirfry, I often make for lunch while working at home, can smash it out in well under 10 mins from scratch, never have to stress about fresh ingredients but can always use any on hand
> tofu
> frozen vege mix
> onion, chilli, daikon if it's there
> dry noodles soaked in boiling water
> light/dark soy sauce and some mirin in place of rice wine vinegar
> cornstarch slurry
> seasame seeds on top
Works so well everytime, impresses all the sluts how quickly I can cook it.

>>21667411
>literally throw half the chicks born into a meat grinder alive.
Am not a vegan but gee I wonder why retard.

>>21667706
>after a friend died from bowel cancer in his 30's
Sorry. That seems to be happening more and more these days with young people. Was he one of them if you catch my drift? Also I hope you're using real dried noodles and not the highly processed, preservative laden instant noodles. Even if you don't use the sodium packet instant noodles are still a highly processed chemical filled junk food.

>>21667411
Multitude of reasons, but it boils down to disapproval of animal husbandry. Mostly because you can't eradicate unnecessary animal cruelty in large scale farming or because it is more efficient to put those ressources directly into growing human food bypassing the chicken.

I've recently become vegan (2 months ago)

Here's what I've cooked so far :

Scott Jurek's Chilli recipe - basically usually chilli but lentils + kidney beans + some bulgur wheat to thicken the sauceee

butternut squash curry - this was bussin

chickpea and spinach curry - also bussin

peanut butter + noodles - also bussin

being vegan is ezpz and means u don't eat any ultraprocessed crap bros. Just gotta take a bit more time cooking but what else you gonna do when you get home from work apart from shitpost here

Gotta ask some real questions itt,
So does any girl who guzzles cum or guy who eats pussy prevented from being called a vegan?

>>21669174
semi-related:
my girl straight up told me that my jizz tastes better on our plant-forward/meatless diet compared to just months ago with meat eaten each day.
eat your vegetables and lay off all the salty meat, fellas

>>21667328
No

>>21669174
Serious answer: No, humans can consent.

>>21669041
>don't eat any ultraprocessed crap
You can do that and also eat meat

>>21669041
>being vegan is ezpz and means u don't eat any ultraprocessed crap bros.
Agree with the first statement, but you can still eat like a trash can, if you try, and eating non processed food is also quite easy as an omni.
If you start out eating vegan you surely end up healthier than the average person, if you don't actively try to eat like a retard, but beyond that it's neither easier nor harder than with an omni diet.

>>21669568
>but beyond that it's neither easier nor harder than with an omni diet
Come on. A vegan diet is a lot harder to maintain than an omnivore diet. And it's a hell of lot harder to stay healthy on a vegan diet without taking supplements.

>>21669585
Not really, just don't be an idiot, eat your callories and have a varied diet.
Also take your B12, there's no way around it. Be careful with mineral and metal supplements, but you can gobble up as many B vitamins as you like without side effects. Anyone that incentivises not taking B12 on a vegan diet is an idiot.
>But supplements aren't natural
Neither is talking about cooking, on an Indonesian basket weaving forum, but no one is going to give you good boy points for being all natty.

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I used to post pro-vegan stuff around 2008-2009 and the janny really really REALLY hated me

I'm not even vegan but it was hilarious to see how thin skinned everyone was back then about eating their damm vegetables

I think it was maddox's work. you had to be there

>>21669604
My pee turns neon yellow when I take too many Bs, bro.
I don't really understand your post. You claim
>just don't be an idiot, eat your callories and have a varied diet.
But then in the very next sentence you say you to take a B12 supplement and there isn't any way around that.

>>21667493
Calories are the most important nutrient. Now during times of extreme poverty bordering starvation more than ever. Potatoes are one of the most nutritious foods in existence.

Yes I'm normal (omnivore) and making meat taste good is easy. Making good tasting vegan for that doesn't require 30 ingredients and a fortnight is not easy. I'd love other anon's opinions and shit posts on this. It'd just be a slow board. Did someone make it already

>>21669404
Do you lift? What if you eat plant protein in bulk?

>>21667683
>completely shot taste buds

Not sure what you think you mean by that.

>>21669671
I'm not vegan but you're being retarded. Delicious vegan food is really easy to make unless you're a cookelette. A pan of roasted vegetables seasoned with olive oil, salt, pepper, and garlic is fantastic and vegan.

>>21669605
Being pro-vegan does not equal "eating your damn vegetables" and you know it.
"Pro-vegan stuff" is almost always ethical-based shaming. It's not done in an informative or inclusive way, but more like a "fuck you, you're evil for eating dead flesh" sentiment. And that's not acceptable.

Congratulations on growing up.

>>21669659
You simply piss out what your body can't salvage or store. And yeah, taking that one supplement with no side effects that literally every doctor and other vegan tells you to take is part of "don't be an idiot".

>>21667328
>Would there be any interest for a vegan general to discuss vegan cooking
No, every general becomes a cancerous circle-jerk on the boards they inhabit, heralding all the worst parts of this shitty website.

perhaps I'll frequent this general if it becomes a thing, I've been vegan for 5 years

>>21670071
>every general becomes a cancerous circle-jerk
Maybe not on /ck/? We only really have the tea and coffee generals here, and they seem pretty tame to me.
A vegan general seems like it might attract trolls, but trolling doesn't really work on /ck/ (unless you think posting about fast food is trolling)
Idk I think vegans here could handle themselves

>>21670078
>Maybe not on /ck/?
oh, you mean
>real "generals" haven't been tried before, those other "generals" we fake, it'll surely work this time
I'm doing this for your own good.

we'll need some links for the OP

>>21670080
If there was a vegan general I would probably be one of the main contributors, and I'm not even vegan. I have no dog in this fight, I'm just good at cooking and enjoy it. I just don't see a downside. The /pol/-tier bait just doesn't work here in /ck/, there are no jimmies to rustle here. Post food or gtfo

>>21669699
The popularity of keto and carnivore diets are almost 100% a reaction to the popularity of veganism in the 2010's. They tend to be obsessed with vegans to the point of hysteria, look at Sv3rige and all the copycat anti-vegan channels that took off during covid, that aggressively pushed higher meat consumption, including raw or fermented meats. Picky eating and not eating vegetables started with the boomers though.

>>21669699
That's exactly what it's equal to though, ever noticed how 99% of people can't even explain the difference between vegetarians and vegans? It's because even the slightest suggestion that eating more vegetables might be better for you is met with unhinged rants about how the extremist greta tunberg PETA leftists are trying to take away our constitutional right to gout

Vegan and true omnivorous diets are far closer to one another than omnivorous diets and what the average hamplanet on /ck/ considers healthy

>>21670335
Who the fuck doesn't know the difference between vegetarian and vegan? Veganism has been broadly talked about for at least 15 years.

>the slightest suggestion that eating more vegetables might be better for you is met with unhinged rants
Aggressively pushing veganism on people you know is not a slight suggestion. You are grossly mischaracterising the reactions you get.

>Vegan and true omnivorous diets are far closer to one another than omnivorous diets and what the average hamplanet on /ck/ considers healthy
What is a true omnivorous diet to you?

>>21669174
No. Read Wittgenstein.

>even the slightest suggestion that eating more vegetables might be better for you is met with unhinged rants
This is indeed extreme on their part

>Aggressively pushing veganism on people
This is indeed extreme on their part

Can we now have a chill vegan general please?

>>21670344
Case in point

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>>21670366
As long as you stick to things that actually happened and don't make up stories about carnists.

>>21669604
I've been vegan just under 6 years and was actually advised to stop taking B12 supplements by my PCP after blood test shows I had higher than the normal range. I'm not advocating for others to not take it but I don't think it's as simple as you're an idiot if you don't. Since then my blood tests have shown normal levels, but if something changes and I'll start again. I also use a lot of nutritional yeast in my cooking so I assume that's where I'm getting it from.

>>21667328
No, vegans are morons who will all die of malnutrition and deserve it.

>>21667652
It is painful to the chicken. Egg laying hens lay several times more eggs than what is natural, resulting in them having severe nutrient deficiencies like calcium.

It would be like breeding women to have 10x the amount of periods. The anemia they would suffer from would be very painful.

>>21669585
B12 is fortified in so many things. Especially plant based milks which vegans tend to eat anyway. You really don't have to think about it that much.

Also everyone should be planning their diets, this isn't a bad thing.

>>21669604
>you can gobble up as many B vitamins as you like without side effects
That's not true, multiple B vitamins were shown to be toxic in the huge amounts that supplements frequently used. Most supplements now use less because of that. Just because they are water soluble doesn't mean there's no toxic amount.

Some people are better than others at converting beta carotene into usable vitamin A, or ALA to usable omega 3. Iron is often more of an issue on vegan/vegetarian diets too but even omnivores can end up low on it.

Also some people don't digest starch as well as others which would also cause difficulties on a vegan diet.

>>21670774
If these hens are so nutrient deficient, then how do they lay so many eggs? Obviously they are being fed what their bodies need. You can make the case that modern breeds have been optimized for production over evolutionary fitness. But that's different from nutrient deficiencies.

Being an animal useful to man is also one hell of a succesful niche to be in. Chicken, cows, pigs are some of the most succesful species on the planet. Thanks to their eggs they have spread to every corner of the planet.

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>>21670961
>Chicken, cows, pigs are some of the most succesful species on the planet
does this look like success to you?

>>21671006
Yes, actually. Besides humans, chicken are one of the few species most likely to spread to other planets.

>>21671012
>Yes, actually.
then you're an idiot and there is no point in engaging with you. weird metric for success when you live in a small cage for 6 weeks then have your throat cut. might as well say prisoners on death row are a success because someone walked on the moon.

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>>21670961
I mean it's an actual thing you can google in 10 seconds.

https://poultrydvm.com/condition/avian-osteoporosis
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7926946/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S003257911941585X

>Being an animal useful to man is also one hell of a succesful niche to be in.
I wouldn't call being forebly bred and being a slave to humans before being killed at a quarter of your lifespan a "success".

>>21670320
That's patently false lol. Those stupid meat diets have been around for a long time and they came directly from crunchy hippies with eating disorders who decided vegetarianism/veganism wasn't working for them so they moved to the most opposite extreme diet. That's also where raw milk drinkers came from. This was happening 20 years ago in the vegan/vegetarian communities I loosely associated with in a major coastie city.

>>21667652
>Cows NEED to be milked daily.
Cows have to be impregnated (forcefully) then separated from their young after birth (causing great psychological distress). The calf is either day 1 slaughtered if its a bull calf, or else raised as a dairy relplacement heifer destined for the same hell as their mother. So at minimum dairy is built upon a mountain of dead boy calves. Same goes for eggs actually since 99% of male chicks are chucked in the meat grinder seconds after hatching.

>>21671355
Could you restrain yourself to participate in a vegan cooking general by solely posting about food and cooking, and refrain from talking about the meat industry or factory farming?
Because we can't have a vegan cooking general if it's going to be full of arguments and lectures. It will only work if we focus on delicious healthy food

>>21671364
No. That's not how contentious topics work. A vegan general is always going to be an endless flame war.

>>21671018
You are sperging.

When somebody talks about a succesful niche in regards to animals, he is talking about evolutionary success.

>>21671345
Look up the actual natural lifespan of chicken in the wilds. You're going to be surprised.

>>21671355
>99% of male chicks are chucked in the meat grinder seconds after hatching.
Only for egg hens. Since egg hens get to live for two years or so, they don't need to be replaced nearly as often as roosters kept for meat. Meaning your numbers don't work out.

>>21667611
This. I was vegan for 5 months then switched back to vegetarianism and I was dropping a lot of weight due to me no longer having dairy, which was previously a large part of my diet .

>>21671414
I know what they're trying to say, it's not the first time someone made that claim. But it just seems more like weird coping to try and justify/ignore the horrible situation for a lot of those animals by saying they're succeeding. If this happened with almost any other animal we didn't eat, anyone would probably rightfully think it's horrible.

>grow so fast that their legs can break from their own weight
>grow so fast that their muscle can become full of scar tissue
>can end up having heart attacks and dying just from their massive size
>quality of life goes way down if they live more than a few months because they're so genetically fucked up
>millions regularly killed every year due to not being seen as useful or having diseases from poor conditions
A small group of chickens on a small farm that are well cared for by someone could be seen as successful as they're less likely to suffer compared to wild animals. The larger number of battery caged chickens can hardly be seen as a success by anyone who is thinking reasonably.

>>21671610
So what's the solution? We can't completely eliminate factory farming or the meat industry would collapse and people would starve. I hate factory farming and don't eat much meat but collapsing the global meat industry would lead to mass starvation for people all over the world. I don't see any realistic way out of this system. Most people don't even care.

>>21671650
I agree it's complicated. Big companies like Tyson have invested in things like lab-grown meat. I'm wary of things like that since a company would have no problem selling an inferior product if it still made them money but it at least has the potential to solve a lot of issues if the technology can be developed enough.

>>21671680
Lab meat scares me more than the abhorrent factory farm system.

>>21671610
I don't need to cope to continue eating meat. I know the vegan talking points and have even seen many of the shock movies the AR scene produces. Just countering the vegan narrative that farm animals are per se abused and getting nothing out of being raised by humans.

The situation is a lot more complicated than meat bad. Especially with a vulnerable, short lived prey species such as chicken. Did you know that chicken naturally live in harems and that 90% of roosters are either killed by the victor or driven off into solitude where they are very easy prey? The quality of life for a chicken should not be measured with any human metric.

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>actually, farm animals are not really "abused"
>they are just getting raped, separated from their offspring, fed hormones that fuck them up to increase produce and killed for bacon nuggies

>actually, they should be considered quite "successful" for their species
>they are just bred into horrific mutations in order to be profitable to humans, live imprisoned lives and die by the billions per year

>Even if chickens can feel happiness or suffering and could live fulfilling lives, you shouldn't judge them by human standards
>That means it's ok to abuse and kill them

Finally, i see the truth
Farms are really comfy places to be

>>21667411
you're eating potential animal

>>21672245
Do you notice how many adjectives and subjective descriptors you use? You are believing a narrative at best inspired by what really happens.

Eat meat and fatty fish. Both have been shown to help with depression, sorry, vystopia and mental function.

>>21672373
>Eat meat and fatty fish. Both have been shown to help with depression, sorry, vystopia and mental function.
Some studies have found no significant difference in depression or anxiety levels between the groups.
>The third available meta-analysis included thirteen studies with a total of 17,809 participants and concluded that there was no statistically significant difference between vegetarian or vegan diets and omnivores regarding the incidence of continuous measures of depression, stress, and well-being.
>Is vegetarianism related to anxiety and depression? A cross-sectional survey in a French sample
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9087979/#:~:text=The%20third%20available%20meta%2Danalysis,stress%2C%20and%20well%2Dbeing.

>>21673399
>cites one singular study, the one that happens to agree with him
lol
lmao
your soience is disproven by opening any social media

>>21673399
Look, the brain is made out of cholesterol and B12 and omega3s are important for nerve function.

>>21672373
>you can't use that many adjectives!!
lol

>>21669041
>being vegan is ezpz and means u don't eat any ultraprocessed crap bros
my sister ate nothing but frozen pizzas for years

>>21671006
from an evolutionary standpoint yes. genes only care about spreading themselves, they don't care whether the host animal is happy

>>21673824
Chronic stress and illness can cause genetic damage. Someone else propagating flawed genes doesn't make them successful. Those genes would be discarded pretty much completely if companies ever find a viable economic alternative. Your definition of successful is very shortsighted.

>>21673480
>cites literally nothing to prove his point yet has the gal to complain when anyone else posts proof for the contrary
>your soience is disproven by opening any social media
Lol
Lmao

>>21673497
>Look, the brain is made out of cholesterol and B12 and omega3s are important for nerve function.
All these statements are true and i agree with them, btw i regularly consume b12 fortified foods and for omega 3s i take algae oil

>>21674111
>Chronic stress and illness can cause genetic damage.
The breeder animals are a lot better taken care off than their producing counterparts. The success of genes is measured in how well they propagate themselves. Chicken are an extremely succesfull species. No matter what you say, being so delicious and useful that another species spreads your species for you is a viable and proven evolutionary strategy at which chicken excel.

>B12 fortified foods and algae oil
Eat real food, man.

>>21667431
this post aged well

>>21674196
>Eat real food, man.
?

>>21674196
>The breeder animals are a lot better taken care off than their producing counterparts.
A small number of them aren't treated terribly? That's not the great point you think it is.

>The success of genes is measured in how well they propagate themselves.
This is such a narrow view of things. The biggest chicken company has invested in developing lab-grown meat. If something like that ever becomes viable, chickens are going to be discarded. And even if you try to say that lab-grown meat will never work, companies will constantly try to find something more efficient. To say that can never happen at all is probably unrealistic.

>Eat real food, man.
I am not a vegan. There's just something really wrong if you see a chicken that can't walk properly and is prone to heart attacks stuck in a tiny cage for its entire short life and go "yep, that's winning" just because there are a lot of them. Some weird coping mental gymnastics to justify it.

If anything even disregarding the quality of life, these sick unhealthy animals produce things that aren't as beneficial for you to consume. Even for your own wellbeing you should have more of a vested interest in healthier happier animals that produce higher quality foods which are more nutritious and taste better over a vegan who isn't consuming them.

>>21674384
>A small number of them aren't treated terribly?
It completely solves the issue of stress related gene damage from the other post.

>This is such a narrow view of things. The biggest chicken company has invested in developing lab-grown meat. If something like that ever becomes viable, chickens are going to be discarded.
It's literally the one metric by which genes are measured. Evolutionary fitness. If chicken genes get competitionin the form of lab meat, then they either have to evolve or die out. But that applies to anything, so it is a moot point.

>blah blah animal cruelty
Don't care. Has nothing to do with evolutionary success. Just accept that vegans have an extreme outgroup preference that leads them to sacrifice their own quality of life for a buncvmh of chicken. That's never going to be more than a fringe believe.

>>21667394
TVP.

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>>21674472
>It completely solves the issue of stress related gene damage from the other post.
They're still going to be stressed from being genetic abominations. It's like the fucked up bulldogs that can't breathe properly because they were bred to have deformed skulls. You can treat them as well as you can but they're still going to constantly struggle to breathe.

>evolutionary fitness
>can't walk properly
>prone to heart attacks
>not killing them within a few months is inhumane because they're so fucked up and only get worse past that point
>can't resist being completely controlled by another species
>can't resist mistreatment
>will be discarded as soon as they're not useful
>fitness
>winning
>success
>yfw

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Lately I've been eating cheap sardines and tuna for protein, but I'd like to go pure plant based to save even more money. What are some good plant proteins that aren't soy, beans, legumes, or wheat based? My gut does not approve of these protein sources.

Or is a balanced plant based diet more of a luxury? I already love vegetables and especially onions, bell peppers, and broccoli.

>>21674647
The accute health problems are due to targeted overfeeding during the growth period of the products. Please try to keep up. We aren't talking about individual success measured in how comfortable a life is, but about evolutionary success.

>>21674691
>What are some good plant proteins that aren't soy, beans, legumes, or wheat based?
Ouch bro, IBS?
Anyway, seeds like hemp, chia, and pumpkin, pseudocereals such as quinoa and amaranth, nuts like almonds and pistachios.
Though in your case a pea protein isolate would be more practical

>>21674752
>The accute health problems are due to targeted overfeeding during the growth period of the products.
No, it's because they've been genetically bred to grow faster than they should. "Woody breast" happens because it grows so fast and so large that it can become full of scar tissue. That doesn't have anything to do with overfeeding.

>Please try to keep up.
Keep my dick up your ass.

>We aren't talking about individual success measured in how comfortable a life is, but about evolutionary success.
Yes, and we disagree on what evolutionary success means. But it would be really convenient if we could only talk about the thing that means your argument is the only valid one.

>>21674821
>IBS

They just make me bloated and slow my digestion to a crawl. Most likely diverticulosis because the same shit with happens with red meat. WIth poultry and sea food, I'm good. I even had some fried fish the other day and it was easier on my gut than steak.

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>>21674835
>we disagree on what evolutionary success means
You are wrong. Evolutionary success has only one meaning. Individual wellbeing has no bearing on it.

Take honeypot ants for example. By human standards many of them lead the absolutely miserable life of a bloated, unmoving larder. In evolutionary terms though these ants are quite successful.

So yes, chicken are incredibly lucky winners.

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When I was vegan I could eat nothing but this exact hot sauce, canned black beans, and white rice in a storebought flour tortilla for weeks on end. Each time it tasted like a five star meal until I got sick from eating too much. The only downsides are that it's expensive and burns your asshole badly. 10/10.

>>21674860
>So yes, chicken are incredibly lucky winners.
...right now
as their bodies start to fail them before they can reproduce and they rely on us to exist, the moment they're replaced they're not "winners"

>>21674860
>Evolutionary success has only one meaning.
No, it doesn't. And even by your own definition it's not a guarantee of success because they could easily end up being discarded. Your definition of success is shortsighted.

>By human standards
Okay but they've likely evolved to not feel anything wrong with what they're doing. Just like how spiders probably aren't stressed sitting in their web not doing anything for long periods of time. But chickens show signs of stress from being kept in tiny cages.

>So yes, chicken are incredibly lucky winners.
Most of them probably don't feel like it. They're only winners in a very detached way and nobody really cares about that. Just playing some weird game in your head where suffering is winning.

/malnutrition/

>>21674868
Chicken, the species are winners. A single chicken does not matter for that.

>>21674895
>no
Yes. How well genes spread is the only measure for evoluionary success.

>it's not guaranteed success
Nothing is. Irrelevant point.

>most chicken don't feel lucky, punk
Irrelevant to evolutionary success.

Leave out the nonsensical appeals to emotions and you have no argument at all. If I had told you that a fur coat is warmer than a cotton t-shirt the feelings of the fur animals who had to die for it wouldn't change that fact either.

>>21673819
Was she the femanon who posted daily reviews of different kinds of frozen 'za here?

>>21675090
>Chicken, the species are winners.
see >>21674868

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>>21675178
If chicken had never been domesticated by us and spread across the globe they could have died out to any manner of natural changes. What is your point?

>>21675208
my point is that the same can just as easily happen by any manner of changes in our needs while still being subject to natural changes
they didn't win because they didn't reach a stable winning state, they're a means that were put under the control of another species and have no way to maintain that
there'd be a better point to make about their strategy being successful if they as a species had any way to adapt to keep their position secure and they weren't at our whim

This is why we can't have a /veg/ general. It always turns into nonsense like this chicken sperging
>Is there anything she can't do?!?!?!
It's just too contentious of a topic for any civil discussion.
/tea/ gets away with it because no one cares enough about tea to shitpost the thread into oblivion so the puerh lesbians and sinophile and weeb twinks are able to have their peaceful tea general. Everyone has an opinion on vegetarian/vegan diets though.

>>21674917
Emotional logic.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26502280/
>Despite substantial differences in intake and deficiency between groups, our results indicate that by consuming a well-balanced diet including supplements or fortified products, all three types of diet can potentially fulfill requirements for vitamin and mineral consumption.

>>21675231
>they didn't win because they didn't reach a stable winning state
That does not exist in evolution.

>there'd be a better point to make about their strategy being successful if they as a species had any way to adapt to keep their position secure
An evolutionary strategy is not a conscious decision, but genes finding a niche that works through natural selection. The solution to your concerns is literally more evolution.

In evolutionary terms chicken are winners. No discussion.

>>21675276
>including supplements or fortified products,

>>21675276
>a well balanced diet including supplements
So the diet you propose does not give us everything we need.

>>21675090
>How well genes spread is the only measure for evoluionary success.
I disagree and you haven't done anything to convince me that's true, you just keep repeating it and your criteria for success has to ignore too much

>>it's not guaranteed success
>Nothing is.
So you admit their success and winning and fitness is still questionable. But yet you'll try to proclaim them as winners.

>>21675316
>No discussion.
loser

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>>21675258
It appears you are right.
The "debaters" here won't even see your reply, they are too focused on winning their retarded arguments.
Vegans should just post recipe threads, no politics, focus on the food. You can even use "plant-based" to help minimise attention from the full-time Internet Fighters

>>21675316
>a winning condition doesn't exist
>but they're winners
convincing

>>21675329
>noo people who have differing viewpoints can't debate things
ur just buttmad because your arguments are trash

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>>21675322
Genetic fitness is reproductive success. That's the one thing success in evolution is measured by because without fitness everything else is meaningless. What other measure of evolutionary success do you propose?

>you admit their success and winning and fitness is still questionable
No. Their success is real. There simply is no end point to evolution. Success is always just a snapshot in time. Think of it as a game where the meta can change with every patch. Just because the devs may or may not nerf a strategy in the future does not mean it can't be the dominant strategy of a given patch.

>>21675258
Maybe don't start the thread off by pre-sperging about people that disagree with your views and don't call these people immoraly insecure. That mixture of meekness and arrogance is blood in the water.

Literally just post recipes or tips on how to cook vegan.

>>21675339
The issue is stable, you dummy.

>>21675355
i'm just going to drop the condescending tone in my prior reply and agree to stop the argument here because I agree with
>That mixture of meekness and arrogance is blood in the water.

I love tofu so much

>>21667394
Unironically a PB&J. Checks all your boxes.

And no, not your typical store-bought ingredients like bleached white bread and brands like JIF/Peter Pan/Skippy with all the additives that will make your dick fall off.

Bake a loaf of bread (water, yeast, flour, salt). It takes 10 minutes of prep and an hour to bake (after letting the dough rise).

Buy some shelled, roasted peanuts. Throw them in a food processor and let it run until it turns into peanut butter. If you're a masochist, buy them with the shells on and shell them yourself and then toast them lightly in the oven before processing them.

Pick your favorite fruit for jelly. Strawberry, grape, whatever. Make a simple jelly with some sugar and pectin. It's not complicated, there's a million recipes online to pick from.

You now have enough bread, peanut butter, and jelly to make a dozen or so PB&J sandwiches with delicious homemade ingredients.

Bread and PB are super simple to make. Jelly is, too, but requires the most work of these 3 ingredients. You could also buy all these ingredients at the store, but you'll pay a premium if you want them to be virtually free of additives, chemicals, etc.

>>21677721
>Jelly is, too, but requires the most work of these 3 ingredients.
a sliced up banana would make it cheaper and dead simple too

Cum is vegan, so long as the act is consensual

I don't like
>Tofu
>Added sugar
>Fake cheeses & meats
And these don't help my blood sugar:
>Rice
>Beans
>Potatoes
These hurt my stomach:
>Nut butters
>Nut milks
So when I tried to be vegan, I ate a shitton of salty corn chips, avocado, banana, chocolate, leafy greens, seaweed. I like cooked corn, carrots, peas, edemame.

>>21677928
so rapists cant be vegan huh?

>>21677954
I feel like I should add that I used to use olive oil instead of butter too and it hurt my stomach so bad. Butter is not only way lower fat, it's just better for you in every way. Oil, even on chips, is not good for your stomach. The only healthy vegan fat I could stand was avocado.

>>21677963
I never really had a stomachache from olive oil but sometimes I'd notice it would burn my throat and make me cough a little. I think that's more of an issue with lower quality olive oils though. Never really had an issue with any other oils although sometimes coconut oil tastes like vomit to me, apparently it has butyric acid which does that.

Nut butters hurt my stomach but I think it's because they're so pasty, I don't really have an issue with whole nuts or nut flours.

>>21678000
>it would burn my throat and make me cough a little
That's actually a sign of minimally produced extra virgin olive oil. Lower quality olive oils don't cause throat irritation.

>>21678007
It was with cheaper olive oils though. It was still extra virgin olive oil but when I bought some more premium stuff it tasted fruitier and had less of that harshness. Some level of "pepperiness" :DD is desired in olive oil but too much can be unpleasant and a sign of lower quality oil too.

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homemade veg 'zas

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good 'ole chickpeas

A lot of condiments are vegan. Ever notice that?

>>21678128
That looks really nice. What's in it besides chickpeas?

>>21667411
Because theyre morons following a trend started by people who own jewellery.

>>21678516
looks like rice

>>21678516
it's an old photo but it was pretty simple iirc
most likely a comically large onion, some garlic, spinach, whichever spice I had lying around and coconut milk
I don't make this often because coconut milk is not a common ingredient here and you can't really substitute it with anything else

>>21678693
Thanks. And is the red tomato? Unless that's some seriously carmelised onion.

>>21667328
>Would there be any interest for a vegan general to discuss vegan cooking, tips, lifestyle, etc.?

No. All vegans are literally retarded.