because everything that's not cheeseburgers, tendies, fries and steaks is yucky :(
t. average /ck/ user

>>21678989
What is it, Rice? White Rice spikes your blood insulin levels. It's all carbs broski.(sugar)
Unless you mean whole grain rice with the germ included.

>>21679005
It literally doesn't matter, that's the point. Carbs are actually good for you and have been for thousands of years.

>>21678992
I also enjoy various chips and hot dogs.

>>21678989
i don't digest starch very well

>>21678989
Bulgur, buckwheat, millet are all far superior
Rice is barley tier poorfag slop

>>21679007
Mmmm no. Carbs in the right amounts are good yes, but white rice is highly processed and stripped of it's whole grain goodness. (Where all the vites, minerals, and most of the fibers are.)
Plus the insulin thing, which ain't all that good for ya.
Nice try though, BigRice™.

>>21679007
Carbs yes, highly processed carbs? No.

>>21679029
>millet is human food
Wow, that's literal livestock feed.

>>21678989
>delicious even without salt or butter/oil
is it really though

Contains insane amounts of Arsenic
>Why do we hate it again
Literally nobody hates rice

>>21679093
I like a little hot sauce myself

>>21679007
>for thousands of years
That's nothing in the grand scheme of the timeline of our species.

>>21679095
that's only an issue with brown rice grown in places where arsenic was previously used on the soil. most of it is removed in white rice.

>>21678989
Potatoes mog, sorry

>>21678989
>rice
>healthiest food
Consider the following: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10188706/
This article suggests soaking the rice overnight and using new water to boil it in to reduce the amount of arsenic in it
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/15/health/arsenic-cadmium-rice-wellness
Wild rice is among the worst when it comes to heavy metals. I've always avoided brown rice anyway because it gives me a rash on my lips which other rice doesn't.

>>21679118
>where arsenic was previously used on the soil
Arsenic occurs naturally in the soil, nobody puts it there. The best way to get rid of it is washing the rice a bunch of times and then soaking it, and I'm talking about white rice.

It's an issue if you eat it all the time, depending of where you get your rice you might be slowly poisoning yourself.

>>21679101
it is something in the realm of cooking

>>21679101
so fucking what

>>21678989
>>is the healthiest food on earth
that would be meat sir
>>can singlehandedly reverse diabetes, heart disease, and kidney failure
no it cant
>>delicious even without salt or butter/oil
not really
>>easy to make and reheat in bulk
>>can go with just about any food in existence
true enough i guess

>>21679154
Nothing, I'm just saying.

>>21679148
>Arsenic occurs naturally in the soil, nobody puts it there.
arsenic was used a pesticide, places where that happened have a lot more arsenic in the soil where it's a much bigger concern if it gets into food crops

>>21679159
>>>is the healthiest food on earth
>that would be meat sir
organs and blood are way more nutritious than meat

>>21678989
Im making poached chicken to have with rice tonight. Very excited to eat a warm meal.

I eat rice like 3-4x a week and I'm still lean as fuck. How do you explain that?

>>21678989
>is the healthiest food on earth
no fat
tons of carbs
very little protein
no vitamin C
tiny little bits of other vitamins.
basically a garbage food.

>>21679005
study Kempner's rice diet. He cured a lot of seriously ill people with rice.

>>21679007
>Carbs are actually good for you
so good they use them to fatten hogs

>>21679186
>I'm still lean as fuck
you are starving

>>21679030
>>21679040
Kempner rice diet experiment Literally just white rice, fruit, and fruit juice combined with walking completely eliminated every ailment in 100+ fatties and made them lose 50+ lbs. Diabetes reversed, kidney failure reversed, heart disease reversed, all their health markers were extremely good.

>buh muh processed
Doesn't matter
>buh muh carbs
Doesn't matter

Ketotards and paleotards will tell you how unprocessed and low carb their diet is before dropping dead of a heart attack at 40. All the healthiest and longest living countries on earth eat huge quantities of rice.

>>21679193
>>21679005
I was told by the doctors not to eaat rice because its bad for my liver and pancreas as I'm yellow like the fucking simpsons... I wonder if they are lying now

>>21679198
Can i eat fish on rice?

>>21679197
Maybe, but I look the sexiest I have ever been

>>21679200
are you overweight/diabetic? that's what the diet was intended for but if you're having other various organ problems i'd be a bit more careful.

pretty much any diet that makes you lose weight will reverse diabetes though as that's the biggest factor in it.

>>21679220
only to your mom.

>>21679231
I'm not overweight, just had some antibiotics, vitamins and kept on drinking whisky that day... so I kind of collapsed. I have done all studies, blood, MRI, hepatitis, and the doctos don't know what is wrong with me. So I went to a witch doctor and told me to cleanse my body. So on Tuesday I start fasting.

Every other grain is better.
Barley, buckwheat, oats, wheat, all of them.

>>21679234
And your mom as well

>>21679200
>its bad for my liver and pancreas as I'm yellow like the fucking simpsons
>>21679239
>kept on drinking whisky
anon it sounds like you have alcoholic fatty liver disease. if it's not full blown cirrhosis you should be able to reverse it if you stop drinking and don't gain a lot of weight.

carbs are fine despite what some people will tell you. actually if you do gain weight sometimes it's just an issue with starch and not sugar because not everyone digests starch properly. though avoiding sugar for now could be good for you since fructose gets processed by the liver while starch doesn't.

>>21679245
1) that's not true
2) they all taste like shit, don't go as well with other foods, and are much more difficult to make properly even if it were true (it's not)

>>21679195
Carbs are used because they are the cheapest option you absolute moron.

>>21679148
It's also a large part of where it came from. Rices grown in plantation states (most US long-grain rice) have way more arsenic. Rice grown in california has way less arsenic.

>>21679249
>it's just an issue with starch and not sugar
I think you nailed it, on my morning I have kept drinking green teas without sugar or milk, and the last 3 times I had my tea with some bread or cookies and I almost fucking fainted for the whole day I couldn't stand up or even write. Thankfully I work from home office and tech support has been quite slow these days. But you are right I will avoid bread. Thanks anon, you seem to know your shit. And I thought it was just me being paranoic being afraid of bread and cookies

>>21679195
they give carbs to gorillas and they're pretty jacked

>>21679256
they get most of their energy from fat (SCFAs) from fermenting fiber

>>21678989
>carbohydrate
>spikes insulin
>cures diabetes somehow

>>21679263
Retard

>>21679268
You either know nothing, or you think you know something I'm missing, so instead of being a little bitch, explain where I went wrong. Tell me what I don't know about diabetes.

>>21679272
ignore him. hes a moron conflating the effects of rice consumption and caloric restriction

>>21679263
Diabetes isn't caused by things that spike your blood sugar and insulin. Blood sugar and insulin going up is normal and tolerable for someone healthy without any issues. Diabetes is caused by overeating and weight gain, it can be reversed even if you continue consuming carbs if you lose weight. Saying carbs cause diabetes is like saying fat causes clogged arteries. You might have sugar stuck in your bloodstream or fat stuck in your arteries but just eating them isn't usually what causes that. It's the overeating.

>>21679254
no problem and yeah i've been dealing with similar issues. if you eat starchy stuff and crave a lot of sugar right after that can be a clue you might not digest starch very well. if you have liver problems then berries could be a good thing to have since they're not super high in sugar while you let your liver heal but still provide some along with a lot of other health benefits.

>>21679279
Spiking glucose spikes insulin and every organ in your body uses insulin in one way or another. After overdosing on insulin habitually, one or more things that can call for insulin to be released can become resistant to its effects. Having a lot of excess weight is an exacerbating factor, not the cause.

>>21679296
It is extremely unlikely that someone who is not overweight will become diabetic. Obesity is not just "a" risk factor but the overwhelming major one. People who do fruit only diets aren't really healthy for other reasons but one issue they don't have is diabetes.

>>21679272
>carbs cause diabetes
Retard alert

>>21679300
sumo wrestlers get less diabetes than the average nip last time i checked despite being massively obese

>>21679307
They're still athletes who exercise but if that's true it wouldn't surprise me that it's because they also die younger than the average person

>>21679301
You're a pretty stupid person if this is all you could get out.

>>21679307
Diabetes is way more common in older individuals, sumo wrestler lifespans are 20+ years less than average Japanese.

Sumo wrestlers also consume huge quantities of meat, no wonder they die so young.

>>21679300
You think I'm only talking about natural carbs. Refined sugar and starches spiking glucose/insulin chronically can affect even thin people. The resistance to insulin leads to the resistant organ calling for more and more, increasing the overall effect on the body in a chronic manner. The affected person getting or being fat is not the cause so much as a contributing factor and an extremely common side-effect of spiking insulin, which forbids your body to burn its own fat, so the person who has ruined their metabolism with sugar will inevitably become fatter as their body calls for 24 hour insulin. You're confusing an effect with the cause. The cause is the chronically spiked glucose and insulin.

>>21679328
>consume huge quantities of meat, no wonder they die so young
meat is the healthiest thing you can eat. They die from 14,000 calories a day in rice.

>>21679180
enjoy your arsenic bro

>>21679338
>meat is the healthiest thing you can eat
you are an absolute retard

I thought you weren't supposed to reheat rice after its been cooked once

>>21679361
Again, name calling with no other information, no argument, no alternate information.
So tell me; why is meat bad, and grain, which humanity has only been eating for 10,000 years at most, is good?

>>21679363
You're not. It can harbor a specific bacteria that can kill you, and cool rice is the perfect breeding ground.

>>21679369
>spoonfeed me because I'm too retarded to do research or look at studies
No, enjoy your heart attack by 40 though

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>>21679007
They're okay for you if you don't eat fat. You can do the carbs thing, live on them well. But as soon as you start adding fat you BECOME fat. So you can choose to eat very few carbs and all the fat you need to satisfy you, or you can eat all the carbs you want but strictly limit fat.
But we've tried to have both at the same time and that's why 2/3 of us are now obese. [Not here of course. Everyone is skinny here and criticizes the fat majority.]

>>21679025
You're a carnivore. You need protein. I'm sure you digest bbc sauce very well. Bbc sauce is packed with all natural high quality easily digestible protein

>>21679370
>>21679363
That's only if you leave it out for like 12 hours and even then is extremely rare. Refrigerate it and then just heat it up in the microwave with a wet paper towel over it, adding a splash of water if it's dried out

>>21679371
I'm already 50.
Explain the science behind why meat is bad. I don't think you know more than what health class told you.

>>21679377
>even then is extremely rare.
even from a chinese restaurant?

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>>21679023
>various

>>21679377
This. Being afraid of leftover rice is hilarious. They do teach you that it's one of the worst breeding grounds for foodborne illness, but yeah, you're talking about leaving it in the temperature danger zone for a really long time. And microwaving stuff usually kills any germs anyway.
Just don't leave sushi out all day and then eat it.

>>21679373
people have eaten carbs and fat for millennia with little to no obesity. your logic makes no sense.

>>21679373
All of the highest life expectancy countries consume primarily carbs and fats (with the exception of Hong Kong)

>>21679198
whoa, reducing people’s weight by feeding them less and making them move solved some of their health issues? WHOA.
you could do the exact same thing with mcdonalds.

>>21679384
That's because he's only getting part of it right. carbs/fat turns on the fat storage of your body by giving you the ample calories of fat and the insulin to make sure you pack it away as body fat. If you combine proteins and carbs, the proteins reduce the glucose spike from the carbs. Protein and fat is the sweet spot - very little insulin response.

>>21679383
>And microwaving stuff usually kills any germs anyway.
It's not about whether the germs are killed but whether they've had time to create toxins that can't be destroyed by heat

my mom pathologically hates carbs so every time I visit her she makes something like chicken breast with vegetables and that's it. I can't stand it. I always cook 2 cups of rice every night for my dinners.

>>21679395
>you could do the exact same thing with mcdonalds.
It would be harder. McDonald's isn't food.

>>21679398
That's what it was. I've eaten old rice for decades without knowing this, and I only died twice.

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>>21679384
They worked the fields too. You really don't get it?
Why is the majority currently fat? Because they eat too much and don't move around. Low carb works for people because they're not burning the calories to sustain eating carbs with fat.
The carbs and fat we have NOW are not the same from the past. Fried pastries and snack chips are not healthy in the amounts we consume them.
My logic makes all the sense. Do some research. You can tell me all day how you are at a healthy weight and you pig out on whatever you want, but you're not typical. The statistics show that most people are now overweight. And the anecdotal evidence shows that people who limit carbs can lose weight with less exercise.
As I said before, you can go hog wild on carbs if you really limit fat, but most won't do that. They eat pizza and french fries. That's the kind of carbs and fat that is causing the obesity.
Are you just forgetting that we didn't have those foods "for millennia"? Do you not see why we have obesity NOW?

>>21679399
Hey, good for you. Enjoy your forties.

>>21679410
And being fat.

>>21679410
>>21679412
my BMI is 20. I run long distance a lot so my body needs the carbs.

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>>21679390
Then they move more. Your argument isn't working because Westerners are still fat.

>>21679395
Yes, you COULD do that but people don't. Who are these people who eat daily fast food and lose weight on it? Someone did a stunt for a video online? Do tell.
Sure, it's possible. C.I.C.O. is all you need, right?
Only that food is addictive and most people don't partake responsibly or remain active enough to burn it off.

You guys can make your simplified arguments all you like but it doesn't change the fact that everyone is all fat now.
>learn some self-control then
Yes, they should. But they don't. And so we need another solution and low-carb is it.

>>21679398
Not even a concern if you keep cooked foods warm or refrigerate them with a couple hours. Even if left out for like 6+ hours, the risk of food poisoning is extremely low, and the risk of it being serious let alone killing you is basically nonexistent unless you are immuno compromised.

Just don't leave food out at room temp for hours on end and it's not even something you have to think about

>>21679420
fuck off with that aislop its confusing my evolutionary programming

>>21679408
>Why is the majority currently fat?
You never left america haven't you?

>>21679434
Not North America the continent, no. Did I forget to specify "westerners" in one post?
Yeah, you keep pointing to Asia and saying "they eat fried rice and egg rolls all day, why aren't they fat?"
Not sure. Smoking? Drugs? Exercise? Eating less of it? Something is the cause. But that doesn't really help your argument.
The majority of Americans and Westerners in general are overweight or obese and this has been the case for years.
Congratulations on being one of the lucky ones. Is that why you're here? Superiority? Because it's not helping the fat people. You're not helping them by telling them to eat the same high fat, high carb diets and just have less. That doesn't work.
You're standing in the way of their success with your arguments for the continued consumption of carbohydrates.
Luckily they're ignoring you.

>>21679336
>The affected person getting or being fat is not the cause
Pretty much every medical site will tell you it's the biggest risk factor. I'm not saying it's impossible for a thin person to become diabetic, it's just really unlikely.

>>21679416
You should stop giving basement jockeys the routine that works for a long-distance runner. You're in the extreme minority.

>>21679007
carbs (with low fat)

>>21679909
I'm saying that it's something that it happens at the same time. When you become insulin resistant, and if you don't change your diet, you become fat by default, because your body is constantly producing insulin and storing every ounce of energy you gain as body fat. At that point, it also begins ramping up the production of visceral fat. By the time the affected person is fat, they're a decade or more into the overall metabolic condition. Being fat isn't the cause. It does become an increasingly contributing factor in the final stages, but is more of a symptom for the majority of the process that gives people diabetes.

You're saying fat people get diabetes.

I'm saying that fat people have been on the path to diabetes most of their lives.

I'm not talking about people with genetic disorder exceptions, and this includes fat kids who have been fed shit and sit inside all of their lives. The cause (extremely high-carb and fat diets) led to both the fat and the diabetes, which are intertwined.

>>21679007
Carbs are unnecessary to sustain human life, unless you're diabetic. (type A)
Fun fact.

>>21680876
That doesn't mean they're not beneficial. A lot of things are unnecessary for life but they still improve it.

>>21678989
>can singlehandedly reverse diabetes, heart disease, and kidney failure

Lmfao. Yeah that far eastern hospital treatment of boiled rice up the wazu. Right up there with bury yourself in cowshit from India

White rice is not good for you. Its not some secret health food either just because east Asians like it. Their portion sizes are way smaller than western countries. Its not offensively bad for you, especially compared to American HFCS infused breads and such but its no dieting secret either.

What is the best white rice I can get in the store? Im used to this boxed shit that tastes like nothing, but I love Chinese restaurant white rice. How do they make theirs?

>>21679384
People before the 1900s had to walk everywhere. Do manual labor as part of almost every single job.

>>21680917
Jasmin rice, rice cooker
No wash, just dump it all in with water and hit go

>>21680886
The point being that adopting a diet of high carbs is a change in the human diet, and therefore the exception. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it comes with other adaptations and needs, like exercise.

House pets that have been evolving on kibble with carbs and fiber and all the other stuff that's not normally in a cat's diet cause their digestive tract to extend. Another fun fact. House pets have longer intestines to digest food the species didn't evolve on. They also experience things they'd never experience in the wild, like getting fat. On the other side of the equation, they live longer, but that probably has more to do with a nice environment, no predators and never wanting for anything.

>>21679384
And they died young, suffered from malnutrition and various other ailments related to diets poor in the one thing humanity became humanity on: meat.

>>21681002
>The point being that adopting a diet of high carbs is a change in the human diet, and therefore the exception.
Maybe true to some extent. Hunter-gatherers eat fruit and roots and honey but could still be considered low carb at times, though other times they'd be high carb too. If your ancestors relied on dairy or crop farming then you probably have developed some adaptation to regularly consuming lactose/starch. The amount and type of carbs that someone does best with can vary but pretty much everyone benefits from some intake.

>House pets that have been evolving on kibble with carbs and fiber and all the other stuff that's not normally in a cat's diet cause their digestive tract to extend.
Yeah some cats seem to do fine on food that has more starch while others become obese. There are some theories that the same thing happens to people as well, that obesity is possibly linked to poor starch digestion.

>>21681011
>the one thing humanity became humanity on: meat.
That's grossly oversimplifying things.

>>21680876
diabetics dont need carbs either. the longest living type 1 diabetic was a low carb proponent

The first time I went on a diet I lost 60 pounds eating basically nothing but white rice and cans of tuna.
10/10 would recommend if you ignore the potential of heavy metal poisoning

>>21679005
>What is it, Rice?
are you actually fucking blind?

>>21678989
>Why do we hate it again
I don't like making it
even though I make it fine and it's not much trouble at all
maybe I should get a small rice cooker because they are so cheap and seem convenient

>>21678989
>white rice
Its trash. Brown/whole grain rice is much better.
Still, it hold no candle at all to oats and buckwheat.

>>21681072
do it, they're worth it
use the morimoto method for short grain rice
>wash rice until water runs clean
>spread it out on a towel for 20 or 30 minutes until it's dry to the touch
>1:1 rice:water in the cooker
for everything else use the package directions but that makes the best short grain rice whether it's for serving as is or for making sushi rice

>>21681090
I already grabbed a 20 lbs bag of regular walmart branded rice this spring, probably just a medium ?
I just haven't used it as much as I would like
hell they sell them at cheap drugstores for 15 bucks
>for everything else use the package directions
would you not wash/spread a medium rice that way too?

>>21681103
Maybe a quick rinse but not with basmati or jasmine

>>21681023
>poor starch digestion.
Starch, of course, being long chains of glucose, which immediately begin to break down into glucose. It's complex sugar that becomes the sweet kind, but you don't get to enjoy the flavor. It's just added dietary sugar.

I can't say all carbs are non-beneficial, and even some of the more sugary ones, like honey have definite health benefits.

>>21681023
>That's grossly oversimplifying things.
I'll grant you that the early humans would have scavenged and gathered, but this effort would've largely been seasonal. All winter, meat would've been the menu. Certainly, they'd learned how to preserve something more, but there isn't much evidence of plant-like food preservation until you get closer to more modern civilizations, like the Egyptians or ancient Chinese dynasties. Meat was the most versatile and dependable food, and grains would've been eaten sparingly, if at all, due to no agriculture.

>>21681033
Yeah, I don't know enough about the exceptions. Using modern practices, type 1 diabetics sometimes get low blood sugar and need a bump. I'm not type 1, and it's not really the same disease as type 2, so it's farther from my radar.

>>21678989
Potatoes are better and healthier.

>>21681112
There's pathogens that grow on dry rice that produce toxins that need to be washed off. Additionally, you think the Indians that harvested that shit washed their hands? You're eating the deposits dusty from a thousand unwashed curried assholes if you don't wash your rice.

>>21681194
>You're eating the dusty deposits from

>>21679005
>What is it, Rice? White Rice spikes your blood insulin levels.
So does literally everything you fucking cretin

Yeah, I like rice. I like it a lot more than I like meat.

>>21681207
Nope. Fat doesn't. Protein has a minimal insulin response. Insulin breaks and nullifies ketosis for like 8 hours, but you can eat pure fat while fasting and not break ketosis. Fat does not cause an insulin response unless maybe you eat a whole shitload of it at once. When you're grossly over nourished, insulin comes out.

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>>21679248
doubt

>>21679252
carbs are the worst thing you can eat. dick sucking vagina blood fart.

>>21679256
gorillas look like that from genetics, and because they run around the forests. in the wild gorillas would have almost no access to any carbs.

>>21679384
>people have eaten carbs and fat for millennia with little to no obesity
that's because they worked their assess off and died before they were 50.

>>21681194
I should have said the spread part
I always wash my rice clear and usually toast it a bit before
can I toast it in the cheapest rice cookers

>>21681331
You go way further than I do; I just avoid eating it.

>>21681215
You know sushi is mostly about the rice? You take rice and season it with vinegar and then make a little ball out of it. Then you put a thin piece of raw fish on top. I think you would like it.

>>21681374
It's been3 months since I made any
so I'm thinking if I get a small cooker I might get some in every few weeks at least
I love rice but grew up in a potato or egg noodle family

>>21681387
I recommend beef instead.

>>21678989
>Why do we hate it again
we don't though, I love rice

>>21678989
lmao op you're funny
it not a lil 'tarded

>>21681324
If you didn't die in childhood you had a pretty good chance of living to 60+. Saying everyone died younger is misunderstanding how averages work.

>>21681318
>Western lowland gorilla (Gorilla gorilla gorilla): This subspecies consumes parts of at least 97 plant species. About 67% of their diet is fruit
It's true that some other gorillas consume less carbs and get most of their calories from digesting cellulose into fat though.

>>21683653
>Saying everyone died younger is misunderstanding how averages work.
Assuming an ample amount didn't die before 35 is also a mistake.