Beyond Meat v.1.0 We were such fools to think we could improve on God's perfection.
I was actually thinking about this the other dayFungi are closer to animals than they are to plantsWhy do people bother with researching for plant based substitutes and not develop fungi substitutes?
>>21711309I've been wanting to eat more mushrooms lately. Fake meat stuff always starts to taste bad. >>21711364>fungi substitutes?That's kind of what Quorn is. I never tried that one though.
>>21711364to sell you more soy
>>21711364I believe quorn is fungi based and it's not bad. I don't get it either
>>21711467>I don't get it eitherThere are many things about food that make little sense. Like why isn't algae more popular than it is. It is a very good source of protein and nutrients and extremely easy to grow. Yet rice something very hard to grow requiring intense labor and tons of crop irrigation becomes popular.
>>21712099algae is really contaminant sensitive
>>21712099Probably has something to do with rice tasting pretty decent and algae tasting like manky seawater and smelling like a rotten beach.
chicken of the woods is the closest thing to substituting chicken. it's basically a 1:1 replica of actual chicken
>>21712099>Like why isn't algae more popular than it is.Algae oil is becoming a popular alternative to fish oil for supplements at least. I've never actually tried eating algae though, is it anything like seaweed? I read algae used to be a more common food, it was probably eaten more when it was easy to just go out and gather from growing naturally but nobody is really going to do that now.
>>21712117People are making algae bars, like a hippie granola bar. I'm sure there are many things it can be added to and not taste like:>>21712107
Is it weird that I love eating meat but I'd honestly go vegetarian if the alternatives were accessible, cheaper, tasted identical, and came in all the varieties I'm already looking for in meat to begin with?
>>21712326Yes. The rest of us eat meat solely for the fact that it once belonged to a living, conscious creature, and are eagerly awaiting the invention of vegetables that can think and suffer so that we can expand our diets while not compromising on the destruction of sentient life.
>>21711309There is far less protein and nutrition in mushrooms than there are in modern meat alternatives.I doubt you have even tried them. Most people cannot even tell the difference between vegan steak and the real thing during blind testing. Stop being so closed-minded.
>>21711364because eww mushrooms
>>21711364Its been done for ages already
>>21712362>Most people cannot even tell the difference between vegan steak and the real thing during blind testing.The problem I have with this statement is that you have literally no proof for it because no studies have been done, because you made it up entirely.
>>21711364why don't they just accept that they're omnivores and eat the fucking meat like a sane person?
>>21712362>tell the difference between vegan steak and the real thing during blind testingezpz.the vegan one doesn't taste or feel like beef.
>>21712340>vegetables that can think and sufferscience has given evidence that they all do this.living is living, anon.
>>21711309Eww mushrooms
>>21712616i know it's crazy but some people dislike killing>>21712620that they can think? no. but they're still alive and react to stress and harm.
>>21712362>contains more ingredients than shampoo
>>21712635>WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE (27%), SUNFLOWER OIL, NATURAL FLAVORS, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF: VEGETABLE JUICE (COLOR), CARRAGEENAN, METHYLCELLULOSE, VITAMIN B12. nah it's not that bad. not endorsing it either but it seems to be one of the less processed ones.
>>21712362Oh shut up, the only people I ever heard saying substitute meat tastes exactly the same are vegans that haven't had meat in ages or simply say it out of conviction.I'm not even against that shit and don't die if I don't have meat on my plate now and then BUT it simply doesn't taste the same.If you want me to eat a vegan burger make it a veggie patty or a mushroom, the later I only saw once but it was actually good, just a wide fungal cap instead of a patty.
>>21712632That incorporates most animals, you think a shrimp can THINK?Not that I care either way, it's world build on pain and fear
>>21712644>you think a shrimp can THINK?more than a plant? yeah>it's world build on pain and fearnot making any effort to reduce pain and fear is wrong tho
Why are vegfags so obsessed with meat?>NOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I CANNOT SIMPLY HAVE ROASTED VEGETABLES I NEED CHEMICAL SLOP PRESSED INTO SHAPES RESEMBLING MEAT
>>21712687plants don't provide all the nutrients you need. the majority of people who stop eating meat don't think meat tastes bad or isn't nutritious, it's usually an ethical issue. replacing it with something similar that has less ethical issues doesn't cause any problems for them. for some reason non-vegetarians are the ones sperging out over it.
>>21711309Mushrooms taste nothing like meat, nor do they have the same texture as meat. Try again.
>>21712700op didn't say they taste exactly like meat
>>21712703I also didn't say OP said they taste exactly like meat. I said OP is wrong to think mushrooms could in any way replace real meat since they neither taste nor feel the same as meat in any way. Please read before replying next time.
>>21712724so you would agree that mushrooms are at least savory and taste better than fake meat substitutes, which is the only thing op claimed
>Mushrooms>Tasty and healthy as fuck>Plant protein kneaded with spices into patties>Tasty and way healthier than burgersThe answer is both
>>21712744>>Plant protein kneaded with spices into patties>>Tastytoo many of them add vitamins/minerals/yeast which makes it taste like shit though. nuts+mushrooms is probably more satisfying and better tasting
>>21712753>too many of them add vitamins/minerals/yeast which makes it taste like shit thoughThis means SOME of them do taste good AND are moderately healthyI'll take thatAlso nuts and mushrooms do make an ideal filling for lasagna
>>21712639>Zero (0/none/nada/zip/zilch) actual nutrition except synthetic b12 all the way at the end after two thickenersYeah, this vegan version is so much better than real meat.
>>21712768>Also nuts and mushrooms do make an ideal filling for lasagnai made eggplant parm recently and enjoyed it more when i had it with almond flour in the sauce compared to when i had it with more cheese. i can't give up drinking milk but nuts have been pretty good in the meals i've been making. walnut taco meat seems interesting and i've been wanting to try that too.
>>21712777i don't think soy protein and sunflower oil are completely devoid of nutrition
>>21712780Both of those things are literally isolated macronutrients with no vitamins or minerals.
>>21712649>not making any effort to reduce pain and fear is wrong thois it?
>>21712782you lose some nutrition processing and isolating them but it doesn't completely remove all vitamins and minerals. it still has some iron, zinc, E, K. >>21712795yeah
>>21712800It has virtually none. If you ate your entire daily calorie allotment in just this food, you would get not even 10% of any of those.
>>21712800Oh, okay, so we're just straight up lying now.
>>21712802and if you ate nothing but beef you'd be missing out on a lot too
>>21712807I can see that you're not having a discussion in good faith, so I won't reply further.
>>21712804What AI did you use for that? AI is notoriously biased against vegans
>>21712804vitamin E and K are fat soluble vitamins which would be in the sunflower oil, the iron and zinc are in the soy
>>21712810Feel free to go use different AIs and report back with a different answer. I'm sorry you can't accept the fact that your hyper-processed food is extreme garbage and the claim you made was objectively false.
>>21712809ok
>>21712811I appreciate you proving me right. And I also appreciate that we agree that your fake meat has garbage nutrition.
>>21712816
>>21712777It does not give you bowel cancer.
>>21712649>more than a plantReally depends on the plant. Many plants do need to process information and react to it, even communicate with other plants. The main difference is that plants react not with physical movement but with chemical reactions that we can not perceive.Years ago I read a research paperby a German university. They had done tests on trees and found that the tree as a whole does react to outside, localized stimuli and that certain cell knots were hotbeds of transmitting information similar to animal neurons. I distinctly remember that the paper theorized that the trees showed about as much processing as a mouse. Which are as far as animals go, quite smart.>not making any effort to reduce painYou demand positive action to change things that are a natural consequence of life existing. That can not be a requirement to not be ethically wrong.
>>21712807Except that a cow contains at least some of everything a mammal needs to be alive.
>>21713861I doubt you're eating every single part of the cow.
>>21713920No need to. The organs contain the majority of the vitamins. One cow liver probably covers the vitamin and mineral needs of 4 people for a week. The muscle meat is a -delicious- bonus.
>>21713854>Really depends on the plant.no i don't think so. they're alive and react to things and communicate but i don't think there's any real evidence of a plant feeling pain or happiness.>natural that doesn't mean good or acceptable. wanting to improve things and reduce pain and suffering is also natural.
>>21713932>One cow liver probably covers the vitamin and mineral needs of 4 people for a week.no, it's nutritious but it's still low in various things. to get enough of them you'd eventual overdose on the high copper and vitamin A in liver.
>>21713960>happinessSo what's your proof that shrimp, bivalves, snails and many other animals feel happiness? If the chemical stress reactions which plants produce don't count, then by the same standards you have a very hard time proving more than mechanical reactions to 'pain' for many animal species too.>naturalI didn't claim that pain is good because it is natural. Just that it is an unavoidable fact of existence and the moral baseline can't therefore be working against it. You might as well demand we combat aging, instead of accepting it as unavoidable.
>>21713963Luckily a cow has more organs than just a liver. Irregardless, my point was that cows contain every nutrient and vitamin a mammal needs to be alive. Because it has to for the cow to have beenalive at some point.
>>21712099rice is a carbohydrate without much nutritional value. when you feed a populace a diet heavy in carbohydrates, they lose a lot of energy to the constant cravings that result and so are more easily managed
>>21711364because it's cheaper to use soy and other plants
>>21713975>You might as well demand we combat aging, instead of accepting it as unavoidable.yes? there's a huge industry doing exactly this and it won't happen anytime soon but there's a chance aging may eventually become a thing of the past
>>21713980You also contain every nutrient and vitamin i need to be alive
>>21713980>Irregardless That’s not actually a word, ESL anon. The word you’re looking for is ‘Regardless’. Don’t mention it.
>>21714046But would you say not actively researching anti aging means is being wrong?>>21714484Now you are just being bratty.
I don't understand why they just don't eat a bit of shellfish... Is eating a mushroom really that different than eating a mussel?
>>21714487>But would you say not actively researching anti aging means is being wrong?well, no. as long as you weren't actively preventing research. or if you weren't somehow actively making people get older against their will, which would be the best comparison to this topic. feels like shifting goalposts and coming up with odd equivalences though.
>>21714495>making people get older against their will, which would be the best comparison to this topicAnimals are not people.
>>21714491some people will say eating bivalves is vegan because there's little evidence of them having any kind of consciousness due to how simple they are. but there's also evidence of them feeling pain and some will say if you can't be 100% sure then you shouldn't eat them.
>>21714499but people are animals
>>21714505Every salami is a sausage. Not every sausage is a salami.
>>21714499>>21714505Both are beings that have individualistic preferences and can feel happiness and suffering
>>21711309Mushrooms are great and I dont really understand why youd want to make pretend meat out of them. Just either eat meat or dont and eat mushrooms instead, no need to complicate it.
>>21712616Sorry but the data is in and animal foods are consistently a net negative on overall health
>>21712777Yes, actually studies have shown that even fake meats lead to better markers of health than real meat. And yes that includes your beloved grass fed beef too.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32780794/
>>21715182>le years lostWhat a pointless and retarded metricVegans are far more likely to suffer from vitamin deficiencies and nutritional problems.
>>21715190>Vegans that chart says eating fish is good
>>21715190for the 10,000th time: there are supplements for that.
>>21715190Doesn't change the fact that health outcome studies show vegans having longer life expectancy as well as lower rates of all cause mortality.
>>21712616You seen the way they make those factory farmed animals live? I've got no problem with other people eating meat but you can count me out of it
Almost every night I've been eating lean ground beef with mushrooms to lose weight
>>21715182Are eggs really that bad? like just boiled eggs?
>>21711309mushrooms taste like a trannies fake pussy.good.
>>21712362>can't taste the differenceyeah if their taste tester is some soyboy vegan cuck. you can immediately tell meat from non meat simply by the absence of carnitine and sulphate compounds
>>21711309I used to hate mushroom as a kidIt's alright now
>>21715771Yes>Increasing Risks of Prostate Cancer>Compared with men who rarely eat eggs, men eating even less than one egg a day appear to have twice the risk of prostate cancer progression. And men who consume two and a half or more eggs per week—basically an egg every three days—may have an 81 percent increased risk of dying from prostate cancer.>Other Cancers>Egg consumption has also been associated with cancers of the bladder and breast.>The Choline in Eggs>How could eating less than an egg a day have such potential impact on cancer risk? The answer may be choline, a compound found concentrated in eggs. The choline in eggs, like the carnitine in red meat, is converted into a toxin called trimethylamine by bacteria existing in meat-eaters’ guts. Trimethylamine, once oxidized in the liver, appears to increase the risk of heart attack, stroke, and premature death.>Eggs and Diabetes>Eating just a single egg a week appeared to increase the odds of diabetes by 76 percent. Two eggs a week appeared to double the odds, and just a single egg a day tripled the odds. Once we then have diabetes, eggs may hasten our death. Eating one egg or more a day appears to shorten anyone’s lifespan, but it may double the all-cause mortality for those with diabetes.https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/eggs/
>>21715918diabetes risk sounds fucking retarded and it's probably people with bad diets more than anything but the prostate cancer and choline one is worrying. fuck man why do eggs have to be so good?!?
>>21715971Nutritionfacts is run by a dyed in the wool vegan activist. Do NOT believe a single word on that site.Most studies on nutrition are poorly done and very inaccurate.>one egg a week increases risk of diabeetes by 70%Think about that claim. One egg a week would be like 1% of what you eat in a week. If eggs really had that effect they'd be poison. Not even pure sugar carries this much of a risk for diabeetus.So you know that the 'studies' these claims are coming from are garbage.
>>21715918>existing in meat-eaters’ guts.yeah this is a red flaggetting serious vegan propaganda vibesdid they compare the rate of diabetes of obese retards who happen to eat eggs against vegan athletes who don't? there is no way it is that pronounced in two people with otherwise identical lifestyles
>>21712616Because it's either fucking expensive and for special occasions or disgusting
>>21711364Mushrooms are more expensive.
What's a great pairing for sauted mushrooms besides steak
>>21717025cheese and bread/pasta
>>21712362stop lying. you can ABSOLUTELY tell the difference between vegan fake "meat" and actual meat. ive tried both the beyond burger and impossible burger. beyond burger was not terrible but it tasted NOTHING like beef.have a portabella cap or a black bean burger if you want a superior vegan/vegetarian burger experience. fuck the fake shit.>>21715184guarantee that study didnt control for vocation or behavior. just assumed all participants are sedentary because most modern people are. fake meat has more preservatives and frankenfood bullshit. ill stick to steak and falafel. you eat your slurry.
>>21712362>stop being so closed-mindedNo
>>21712099I have been taking spirulina for a couple decades, most people just eat what is convenient
>>21714486nta but it is actually a word, this ass i work with uses it a lot and it bugs the shit out of me
i like mushrooms in concept but my brain says "yucky" when I eat them. what do?
>>21717242That study was on college athletes, you would know that if you read even the first part of it.
>>21716932>RESULTS—During mean follow-up of 20.0 years in men and 11.7 years in women, 1,921 men and 2,112 women developed type 2 diabetes. Compared with no egg consumption, multivariable adjusted hazard ratios for type 2 diabetes were 1.09 (95% CI 0.87–1.37), 1.09 (0.88–1.34), 1.18 (0.95–1.45), 1.46 (1.14–1.86), and 1.58 (1.25–2.01) for consumption of <1, 1, 2–4, 5–6, and ≥7 eggs/week, respectively, in men (P for trend <0.0001). Corresponding multivariable hazard ratios for women were 1.06 (0.92–1.22), 0.97 (0.83–1.12), 1.19 (1.03–1.38), 1.18 (0.88–1.58), and 1.77 (1.28–2.43), respectively (P for trend <0.0001).>CONCLUSIONS—These data suggest that high levels of egg consumption (daily) are associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes in men and women. Confirmation of these findings in other populations is warranted.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2628696/
>>21717306College athletes can be anything from football to basketball to tennis to track to fuckin chess. All different things that make different bodies. Again, enjoy your slurry. I will continue to eat black bean burgers and pork tenderloin while you whine about how frankenfoods are good.
>>21717283>"Irregardless" is a word with a dictionary entry, but it is considered nonstandard and is often seen as a double negative that means "regardless". It is formed by combining "irrespective" and "regardless," and while some dialects may use it as an emphatic form of "regardless" to end a discussion, it is best to avoid it in formal or academic writing in favor of "regardless".
>>21717347Oh I'm absolutely ESL. So I don't mind the correction. By both of you. I am just happy to do my part in the slow, gradual destruction of the English language.
>>21717340>These data suggest that high levels of egg consumption (daily) are associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes in men and women.Want to bet that high daily consumption of eggs is also linked with an overconsumption of carbs and obesity?
>>21711364My vegetarian homie is allergic to mushrooms. I feel bad for him.
>>21718122No. Saturated fat and dietary cholesterol contribute as much, if not more to insulin resistance than carbs and sugars.
>>21711309how does the mushroom cartel feel about thisgrok, check this one out for me
>>21717340are there even any controls? i seriously doubt people agreed, for 20 years, to do a worthwhile study
>>21717286i feel that way if they're too wet. you can't really overcook mushrooms though, saute them until they start to dry out. or you could blend them into a sauce so the texture isn't noticeable and you just get the flavor.
>>21711309Don't forget to add sliced mushrooms when frying up onions for cheesesteaks, anon. They are, I dare say, goated with the sauce.
>>21718596Yeah from just 1 egg! I doubt there were any other factors like processed meat or sugar. Nope, it was 1 egg!
>>21718610There's no such thing as a "mushroom cartel". Anyone can grow mushrooms for free. The mushroom cartel conspiracy is retarded /x/ schizo posting.
>>21718631anything commercialized can have its price/value artificially manipulated, mushrooms are no exception>This stems from a 2017 Joe Rogan podcast interview with mycologist Paul Stamets, where he mysteriously refused to discuss Portobello mushrooms in detail, stating it could endanger his life due to "negative ramifications." This led to online speculation about a "mushroom mafia" or cartel—essentially an alleged powerful industry group suppressing information about Portobellos' potential health risks. Portobellos (mature cremini mushrooms) contain agaritine, a compound that can break down into hydrazines, which are potentially carcinogenic when eaten raw. Cooking reduces this risk significantly, but the theory suggests the multibillion-dollar mushroom farming industry (dominated by a few large producers) doesn't want people knowing this or growing their own mushrooms, drawing parallels to cartels like the Phoebus lightbulb cartel that limited product durability for profit. Some speculate Stamets was joking, referencing patent issues with mushroom cultivation, or alluding to organized crime in commercial mushroom production (e.g., labor exploitation or market control).take that with a grain of salt
>>21711364kill yourself
>>21712362>Most people cannot even tell the difference between vegan steak and the real thing during blind testing. This is what the medical community calls delusion anon.
