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>>21722755
Roagna Barolo Pira VV 2018 (Magnum)

>>21722857
how are the 18s drinking? all the nice 16 serralunga I have in my cellar need a 5 hour decant to even show up in the glass.

>>21722975
Like a dream

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Currently enjoying a rather musty '22 Tintara Cabernet

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>>21722755
Got the Loosen meme tonight
>>21722857
Jealous
>>21722988
Sovl

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>>21722988
Complimentary cheese platter

>>21722857
>magnum
>stated to be 750ml
also fuck Roagna and fuck William's Corner, prices literally doubled after their 16s got 100 points

just got a ploussard, what am i in for?

>>21723091
sarsaparilla and fruit leather
better than gamay tbqh

>>21723093
>better than nebbiolo's retarded cousin tbqh
thats not saying much

>>21722755
wine tastes like shit to me since im high iq what does it taste like to the other side?

>>21723523
poincare got an abysmally low score on his IQ test, so we can assume you're not actually very smart

>>21723859
Wow. You actually wrote ‘Poincare’? That’s… impressive, in the same way a toddler scribbling with crayons is impressive. The name is Poincaré — with an accent, because, shockingly, French has rules. That little mark isn’t optional; it’s the difference between sounding like you’ve opened a math textbook and sounding like you’ve misread a menu at a cheap café. Honestly, if you can’t manage one accent mark, maybe stick to names like Bob or Sue. Leave the grown‑up words to people who can handle them."

>>21723891
I'm going to let it slide for now, but next time I see you posting this chatGPT template you're getting reported. And I'm not going to tell you, it's going to come out of the blue. You're being watched. Consider this a friendly warning.

Is young Bordeaux actually drinkable or is that just a meme?

>>21723916
most of it is. unless you just love setting your money on fire you're not going to accidentally buy a bordeaux that needs to be sat on for 10 years before it's good to go. same goes for any region, those kinds of wines are almost unheard of at "casual buy" price levels

>>21723918
No I’m talking about the ‘22 vintage releases that are expensive and supposedly ready to drink now because they’re modern but I feel like that’s just Bordeaux being desperate to sell their shit

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drinking the 2016

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bidding tonight

>>21724865
I won :)

saint julian sells good wine for fair prices.

>>21723928
>ready to drink now
>Bordeaux being desperate to sell their shit
can't it be both?

Wine being considered a luxury rustles my jimmies. I can get a 5 liters cubicle of merlot for 10€ and it taste as good as the fancy shit.

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remember in the '10s when everyone couldn't shut up about mega purple and now nobody seems to care? what happened? did everyone just get bored of caring about what adjuncts get used, or did the orthorexic weirdos all just move to their stinky natty wine sewage juice

>>21725634
you cracked the code dude!

>>21725634
pine ridge napa chenin sells for $5 at walmart

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>Cote du Py tonight
Ya I'm thinking we're back

>>21725484
I feel like it's more desperation. bordeaux is in deep shit right now, and they're pitching 22 as being like 09 or 82 even though abv is getting close to napa levels, so it's not going to be like either of those years, especially 82 lol. maybe they're very drinkable young, I haven't been fortunate enough to go to a new release bdx tasting yet, but at 14-14.5% abv? idk about that. would rather spend my money on an 09 if I'm getting bdx at all
>>21725739
both. there's also the middle road of finding producers who do unfined/unfiltered low intervention wine from biodynamically farmed grapes, but still use the odd bit of so2 to keep shit under control. one of the silver linings of the fuckass US import system is that importers like kermit lynch do all of that legwork

>biodynamically
cringe femoid astrology grape chakra drivel
mankind must defeat god in a faustian endeavor to develop the ultimate wine using only cold hard autism

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>>21727355
>he does not want to RETVRN
>he does not want to escape the demiurge's prison
O servant of the greater evil who opens his wines on root days, BEGONE

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Christoph Waltz's "last meal" on youtube. Last meal, and it's a fleurie. The bojocru wankery has gone too far.

>>21727961
BASED.
He's literally my guy.
Well finish up my Morgon >>21727038 tonight

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>>21728380
I suppose I should stop shit talking it because once They lose interest in BJC, They will come rampaging through the wine aisles for the next craze and if I'm not lucky my favorite wines will get Eternal Septembered

>>21722755
Im going to buy a cubi of red at Lidl this weekend for cooking
With some luck I can drink it too

Perlaverga tonight

>>21727476
uh yeah bro why don’t you plant some rose quartz in the soil then shove it up your ass faggot

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>>21728931
>being this mad about farming methods that every grower worth a shit uses
go chug some roundup

>>21730097
>grown man believing in astrology
got nothin else to say to such an embarrassment

>>21730107
go tell it to DRC

>>21730112
>demographic of rich retards exists
>company appeals to them for more money
WOAH
obviously good organic farming is important but the mystic cartel of healing crystal girls and their male orbiters acting as a certifying board needs to go

for me, its a handle of vodka

>>21730122
DRC doesn't really advertise that they're biodynamic, it's just a thing they've been doing for the last few decades, like a lot of growers have. you can whine like a /pol9k/tard about it all you want but adopting at least some biodynamic methods is fairly standard practice for vineyards that produce grapes for premium wines (anything above $20 or so per 750ml bottle). what you think of as "good organic farming" almost certainly includes some of those principles, and there's been a lot of research that shows that it does improve soil quality. if you don't think that's important for the quality of wine, idk what else to say. but keep raging like a manchild about it ig

>>21730144
of course using actual farming techniques has real effects. the influence of the fucking planets does not. call me an i fucking love science fedora whatever but youve failed to convince me of anything other than your retardation

I walked past the barrels of Beaujolais nouveau this afternoon
I considered going but they're opening them at midnight and I don't want to freeze my balls

spaniard here, we have raimat organic and sangre de toro for cheap, and they taste amazing none of that chemical taste other wines have

>>21730159
you don't really sound like you're open to being convinced of much of anything, and I bet if I posted some SCIENCE(tm) regarding bd farming (general consensus of the lit I've seen is that it improves outcomes, not sure why, further study needed) you'd just keep screeching and pounding the table like a babby

and it would be fucking hilarious to see you throw a shitfit and start pouring good wine down the sink when you find out the producer is bd

>>21730195
>start pouring good wine down the sink when you find out the producer is bd
lmfao
Alright I'll drop the hostile tone for the sake of discussion. I'll start with saying that overall I think biodynamics has fortunately been a positive on the wine industry. If there's a cult of dogmatic mystics slapping the wrists of domaines for using unscrupulous practices and dishonoring Demeter by using pesticides then yeah a cultural shift toward organic practices is ultimately a good thing even if it's misguided. Farming and winemaking is not mathematics- it's an artform. Yes there is science involved but there are too many variables to account for (esp. soil microbes) and ultimately the approach must be empirical. If the biodynamic methods work then they work. But ultimately, letting superstitious bullshit in will hold it back. Perfectly ripe grapes and a storm is coming tomorrow? Oops! Can't harvest cause the moon is in the wrong spot. If you want to be overly philosophical or spiritual about the viticultural process and how the grapes' journey through time means they bear the culmination of every aspect of their environment and are ultimately products of divine fate that's fine. But adhering to blind reptilian ritual, especially whose origin is from something as unserious as fucking astrology, is a tumor to progress. Not to mention of course how much money the Demeter foundation receives for their little stamps because they hold a de facto monopoly over certification since no serious governing body has stepped in yet.
Re: our discussion you've mostly just made appeals to authority and ad hominems, which I suppose I shall now return to in my previous vicious internet argument form.
Shut the fuck up faggot
You may now reply to this post to get your snarky last word in since I probably won't reply because I think we're at a fundamental impasse. I do not respect astrology

>>21722755
APOTHIC RED

>>21730279
>our discussion
lol there hasn't been a discussion, just you calling me a faggot. if that qualifies as a discussion for you, please go outside and talk to human beings
>you've mostly just made appeals to authority and ad hominems
complaining about adhoms when you've been doing nothing but flinging them from the start? do you have no capacity for self-reflection? or is it that you don't like it when your energy is returned to you in kind?
as far as appeals to authority are concerned, I've merely stated that a lot of vineyards, including the top domaines, are bd in whole or part. they know a lot about viniculture, so whatever their perspective on farming and land stewardship is, is worth considering

>because I think we're at a fundamental impasse
I don't think we are but you've been doing nothing but flinging insults, and you've indicated that's all you want to do, instead of having a discussion. if you want to have an actual discussion about it, I'm open, but it sounds like you aren't

but just in case you are, the astrology in bd is mainly following lunar cycles, but for some reason or another it's been shown by some agricultural studies to work. for instance, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351822040_Astronomical_Rhythms_in_Biodynamic_Agriculture
why that is, is uncertain and requires further study. it's definitely not a direct effect of the moon's gravitational pull, but there's something there, and that's what research is for
>Can't harvest cause the moon is in the wrong spot
nobody is so dogmatic that they'd risk losing an entire crop over that lmao, there's revenue at stake, after all

I don't drink DRC because they use that moon voodoo ya.
Otherwise I'd have bottles of la Tache every week.

>>21730326
Same here bro. Also mouton rothschild shall never pass my lips because I'm anti-semitic. And I eschew egon muller scharzhofberger because I will never forgive the germans for the holocaust

>>21730323
>lol there hasn't been a discussion
there's been a series of like 10 posts. never said anything about it being a very good discussion
>complaining about adhoms when you've been doing nothing but flinging them from the start? do you have no capacity for self-reflection?
no i'm fully aware of what vitriolic shitposting is hence why I engaged in it because I figured you to be a smug dunning-kruger /x/ poster which are quite common on this website. We may now speak on human terms

The lunar cycle is periodic so it's no surprise that its phases correspond to certain events. It's just a reference metric of timekeeping- no real harm in that.
It's the other ritual bullshit like burying quartz in bull horns and whatnot. You could even make arguments about the quartz retaining heat or providing irrigation paths or whatever, and even if you can't find some mechanism or explanation doesn't mean there isn't one outside of woo-woo "cosmic energy". And especially shit like opening a finished bottle of wine on certain days means it will taste better because of how the planets are aligned I mean jesus fucking christ. Ultimately the entire topic is almost a non-issue because some of these practices are basically harmless (quartz is inert) but the fact that the industry is kowtowing to such a silly cult is kind of disgusting. Of course religious institutions have had historical and present influence on all kinds of things, but god damn astrology and affiliated crystal energy worship is such a low tier superstition.
>>21730326
>>21730334
BASED

DRC deez nuts

>>21730334
>And I eschew egon muller
Ya cause hes worse than the Prums

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Wine club drops

>>21730455
Are you rich or just love drinking your retirement plans?

>>21730459
It's calif*rnia piss literally no value

>>21730465
>$800 worth of wine
So rich then

>>21730471
Stewart is middle class

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Considering this, but at the very end with my brothers and mom. Not sure yet

>>21730655
I didn't know they celebrated t-day in england

>>21730675
>Imported by vineyard brands, inc. birmingham, alabama

>>21730704
The wine just wanted to be free.

Got an Etna Rosso.
Tasting pretty pretty pretty good.

>>21730383
>never said anything about it being a very good discussion
it really doesn't merit being called that and it's entirely on you for setting the tone, whether or not you want to admit it
>I figured you to be a smug dunning-kruger /x/ poster
that's what you got from a completely obviously sarcastic post about the demiurge? maybe I really do need to start adding /s to some of my posts here...or was it the earlier post that triggered you?
>We may now speak on human terms
idk man you still sound kinda angry but at least you're starting to sound like an adult now, so I'll take you up on that

fwiw the more scientific theory behind the use of quartz is that when it's ground up and sprayed on the crops, it helps with photosynthesis and traps a bit of moisture, which is something that it's been observed to do in the wild. whether or not it actually does more than make the plants glisten really nicely in the morning, I dunno. the preparation steps with the cow horns and whatnot seem like an expensive waste of time tho. maybe that's why a lot of vineyards don't do the full certification process, because why bother when you can just get the crap commercially and spray it, for whatever good it does. even tho the bd approach is a holistic systems based one I can't imagine it mattering if that particular part of the system is changed

end of the day it doesn't matter too much to me other than that the growers really Care about the soil, because of how much impact it has on the quality of the wine. there are a lot methodologies, of which bd is one. it's nice that certain importers like Lynch do the work of figuring out who does what and even pushing them to make wine a certain way, so when I see a wine from some unknown producer that's been imported by them, I can trust that it's somewhere in between full-crunch nattytardation and industrial agrislop
>>21730471
$800 for a case isn't too bad haha *sigh*
>>21730655
hell yes, should be in a good place right now

>>21730767
>you still sound kinda angry
"ur mad" is the lowest form of conversation
>whether or not you want to admit it
oh yeah i'll admit it I came out the gate swinging
>completely obviously sarcastic post about the demiurge
i knew there was a high chance it was satire, but I'll remind you of just where the fuck we are. poe's law doesn't even begin to describe the /pol/ /x/ spectrum demographic of posters.

But yeah anyway I agree with the rest of your post and I've more or less said my piece got nothin else to really say on the matter (I've got at least one Demeter International certified orange wine next to me kek, probably some others mixed in there). At the end of the day it's something I merely roll my eyes at but that won't stop me from being an overly zealous sperg on the internet.
>expensive waste of time tho. maybe that's why a lot of vineyards don't do the full certification process
right, that's why we need some kind of body to step in that can hand out good boy stars to vineyards other than cooky wingnuts

Feels like a pinot Thanksgiving this year

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>>21730760
Day 2 still pretty good.
Is there anything this DRC label knock off can't do?

>>21732463
I saw another winery using DRC font recently, I forgot where. Mighta been spain.

My neigborhood shop wants $21 for the new 2025 beaujolais. West has fallen.

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>>21732626
HAPPY BEAUJO DAY

>drink wine while sitting out in the open
>wine tastes like shit
>drink same wine indoors
>tastes 10x better

explain

>>21730828
it's kinda funny but nothing I have on hand has that symbol, even the meinklang plonk
>>21732288
anything in particular? I'm opening up a 2000 drouhin louise, idk what the backup is yet
>>21732719
coulda been picking up various scents that were fouling the taste

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>>21732482
for me, it's guangdong

>>21733209
in addition to the orange wine I mentioned the one I drank tonight (IGP Terre de Chieti Ramato) was also Demeter stamped kekaroo
my chakras have never felt so aligned

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>>21733211
Apparently it's legit

>>21734681
Looks tasty

>>21733519
That literally just describes the image, you utter buffoon

>>21735051
No it's a reverse image search, it clearly indicates that it's a real wine from the "Appellation Gungdong-Comti Controlee" region of France

Got a Pelaverga, pretty hyped

>>21732689
hooray!
it was... okay.

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>>21723009
>VDP meme
>8.5%/Vol. (barely wine)

>>21725046
Foxen is the best!

>>21736620
>everywhere I go I must get drunk

>>21736695
Thanks for pointing out to everyone, that you have no idea about wine or alcohol in general.

>>21736738
you're an alcoholic, it's ok, you're among friends here. but the kind of friends who hide their good bottles when you come over because you measure quality by how fast you can get sloshed

>>21736756
Bro get out of the wine thread if you don't know anything about wine

>>21736784
You're the one claiming VDP is german for "rocket fuel", why are you even posting?

>>21736800
>You're the one claiming VDP is german for "rocket fuel"
No I'm not you retarded schizo

>>21736803
it would seem you're suffering dementia from long term alcohol abuse. unfortunately for you this is not reversible. fortunately for you, you're not even aware of it!

What should I open?

>>21736873
A mosel kabinett.

>>21736903
WRONG. it’s Aglianico time

>>21736937
Nope. You're opening the kabinett

>>21736949
i opened the cabinet and it was empty

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>>21736810
faggot

>>21737351
settle down, no one likes a belligerent drunk

>>21737351
What’s your problem, pedo?

>>21737483
I think you're the alcoholic projecting your alcoholism onto others
>>21737508
This retard is sperging out, because I called him out on his bs

>>21732463
I like this producer, their bianco is good too.

>>21737516
you're the one who had a meltie at the idea of a wine that doesn't get you wasted, drunkie

>>21737520
>doubling down on not having any idea about wine or alcohol in general
holy retard

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>>21737522
relax drunkie boy here's a nice strong bottle for you, the VDP can't hurt you anymore

>>21737525
You're a clown

don't want the zoomettes touching my wine at thanksgiving so i'm only buying napa

>>21737528
rather be a clown than an unpleasant drunk

>>21737539
Repeating your allegation doesn't make it true. You, on the other hand, are a true retard.

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>>21737538
thanksgiving is for sharing though, you should bring a few bottles of unfiltered pet nat spontaneous fermentation biodynamic skin contact carbonic maceration non-malo qvevri etna furmint for the zoomettes

>>21737549
drink some water and go to bed, you're making a scene

>>21737562
>retard makes a scene
>blame the one who calls out the retard

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>>21737567

>>21737571
ok retard

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>>21737572

>>21737571
I miss Maakies :(

>>21737577
keep going retard

>>21736417
update: it's the tits

>>21737518
Ya their bianco is a really tasty

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how do you tell if a wine will be good? standing in front of the section in my supermarket feels like I'm playing the lottery.

>>21722755
Can /vin/ recommend me a Bordeaux and an Italian wine? They’re supposed to be gifts.

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this is the only wine that I drink

>>21738090
I have the same problem but I'll start drinking every wine and use a notebook to remember the ones i liked

the spec top 10 dropped

>>21738152
what's the budget? get an occhipinti frappato

>>21738167
About 40€ each. Can be less, tho.

>>21738159
Insignien der Unterschicht.

>>21738218
In europe you can get '21 barbaresco for around that budget. or a nice nebbiolo langhe, a rosso di montalcino, an etna rosso. im not the authority on bordeaux but i'd get something with some age on it, like 2015s, 2010s iirc are good vintages for bordeaux.

>>21738222
funktioniert auf meiner maschine (:

>>21738229
Thanks for the recommendation’s, anon.

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Barbaresco is better than Barolo on average
Yes.

yall sleeping on sagrantino

>>21738289
I like Sag. But I rarely ever see it at my local wine store.

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why is lambrusco so unpopular? this shis gud

>>21738622
what're you trying to do? raise prices?

>>21738090
>I'm playing the lottery
yes with similar odds at a kroger
go to a real wine store and hopefully the owner / clerk will provide good advice
i'd recommend trying "hipster" wines like orange wines, sparkling reds (lambrusco), and "natty" (unfiltered/unfined) styles to get an idea of how much variety there is before honing in on "traditional" style reds and whites. also fortified wines, dessert wines (sauternes, tokaji), etc.
regarding "regular" red and whites i'd say buy from france (loire, languedoc, cotes du rhone, etc) and italy (tuscany, sicily, friuli, piedmont) and maybe some german stuff like dr. loosen
a lot of producers or importers will have .pdfs on their websites detailing maceration times, time spent on lees, oak vs. stainless fermenters and aging regimes, etc that can give you some ideas on what to expect
really it just takes time and learning what varietals are in different regional styles (so it may be less convoluted to start with some single grape varietal wines as well) and learning of famous styles from regions (brunello in tuscany or barolo in piedmont). conventional wisdom is hotter climates produce more fruit forward "jammy" wines and colder toward more acidic- though this can vary with harvest times and whatnot

>>21738718
also with regard to tasting the wine pay attention to how much sweetness and acidity there is because you may not like it one way or the other. same goes for tannins (astringency). there is also the primary taste of how the grape itself tastes removed from those other variables (think lemon vs lime, yes they're both sour, but underlying that is the fruit taste). there is also the secondary influence from the winemaking process like time spent on sediment or barrels. finally older wines tend to be more raisiny and more expensive styles like vin jaune are interesting but i'd recommend staying at the lower price bracket (~$20-$30ish) until you feel more comfortable about your knowledgebase before venturing further

>>21738622
it's the best thing with pizza also I should shut up about it before normies catch on and moon the price

>>21738732
fuck it bonus post
the idea behind decanting is letting unwanted volatiles evaporate and letting tannins oxidize or polymerize into less aggressive forms. this is what is addressed as coarse, "grippy" tannins found in younger wines which often need more decanting compared to more refined "fine" tannins that contribute to the structure without making your mouth sandpaper.
people like to get overly specific with food pairings but imo it's just important that you have SOMETHING (especially with reds) to wash your tongue with because otherwise it gets saturated (with reds you can feel your tongue being coated). likewise, if you eat a fatty food your tongue will become greasy and tannins can help remove this oily layer. generally the rule is to not to have the wine or the food overpower one another. acid compliments fat well. you can also do what's called a congruent pairing and match the flavor to the food (sweet wine with sweet food). if you think pairing is overly complicated snobbery (which yeah it can be) just think of eating hot wings with a stout instead of a lager. hamburger with milk instead of soda. ultimately do what you want but there are some things that just "go" together better.
while red wines are often depicted as more "rich" think of how a quality white rum or tequila is able to let the base spirit shine through without the subtleties being masked by the wood from barrel aging. excepting desert wines, whites can often be sipped more casually or without food- not as much something you that have to "wrestle" with like a tannic monster
finally, be aware that your sense of taste is linked with your sense of smell. after swallowing the wine give a sharp exhale through your nose. (if you want to be fully tryhard plug your nose, take sip, swish, swallow, and only then unplug your nose for a sharp exhale immediately after the swallow- you'll feel the flavor intensify on your tongue)

>>21739079
FVCK i knew i was forgetting something:
temperature. i've found it to be extremely important. flavors will often be muted (and acidity more pronounced) and as it warms sweetness will become more prominent. you know it's too warm when it starts to taste boozey. drink a wine as it warms and see how it evolves. you can always google serving temperatures for reds/ whites but it does come down to personal preference. often your personal sweet spot is quite narrow so stemmed wine glasses really do work wonders (thin glass doesn't provide a large heat reservoir so it will warm at a slower rate and give you a longer duration of ideal temp)

>>21738090
alright to more directly answer your question: every bottle of wine you get is in some sense a gamble- there's just too many wines out there. that's the reason I emphasized more on tasting after the fact rather than on how to have premonition beforehand. just explore around and you'll become familiar with bottles or styles you enjoyed in your local market. most wines should be acceptable in quality and at the $20 bracket you're not really going to be taking some huge loss. Insofar as more expensive bottles goes you have vineyard classifications like that of St. Emilion or Burgundy (and there can be some loose correlation between how small an appellation is and its quality) and (((review websites))), but ultimately quality wine can be produced by anyone- and finding those no-name producers that don't have all the fancy stamps is exactly the goal of any exploratory consumer looking to find a bargain

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Thinking something like this tonight

>>21738636
>>21738622
that particular bottle has been in every normie liquor store for a couple of years now

>>21739180
Cheers, noted.
My father buys wine by winery (usually places that he visits during his holidays and got to do a tasting right on location) and has some good success, despite knowing just as little specifics about wine as I do. Even then, some productions from wineries that produce bottles which we like are not very good.

I think what dazes me most is the descriptor of the specific vine. For example, I used to think that I really like Grauburgunder / Pinot Gris after tasting a couple good bottles by different wineries in a row, just to be disappointed by some shitty mop water Grauburgunder from the supermarket that I bought with the intention to cook with it.

This is probably less of an issue with single vine wines or cuvées that come from somewhat protected regions in France and such.
Over here, you really don't know what the fuck you're getting when you purchase a Riesling.

>>21739811
Oh, and this is speaking about the 5-15€ range. Our germanic bloodline prevents us from purchasing a single bottle that's more expensive than a full case of beer.

>>21739811
>>21739818
yeah sometimes a producer can have a different cuvée that’s just not your style, or the weather that year sucked.
not to mention a single varietal still of course has range in its output due to climate and growth practices. Perhaps most importantly the yield (# of grapes per vine, hL/ha) which can be listed on a producer or importer or reviewer’s websites. Also of course the soil type, elevation, slope aspect, cane/spur pruning, blah blah blah.
I think wine just inherently runs more expensive than beer by nature of it being the product of a fruit instead of a seed. A fruit is an active metabolic center that contains water which solvates a myriad of compounds. It is also more delicate and prone to rotting, withering, and bruising. A grain is hardy and basically just full of carbohydrates so the task of good beer leans more on the brewer than the farmer.
$20 is an estimate and doesn’t mean you can’t find steals at lower, they’re just more the exception. I’d recommend honestly not dipping below $10, but I assumed you were american so all your prices in yurop should run much cheaper unless you’re in a high alcohol tax country like sweden

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They've arrived
richfags, ww@

>>21741276
Never heard of it but looks tasty

>>21741276
Now that is sick

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>>21741276
Have to give these a month to settle after the international travel.

>>21722755
How can I drink wine without being hungover? I love the taste and enjoy being drunk. How can I consume it without making myself ill?
>Inb4 moderation
No. I don't want to moderate.

>>21741797
Drink more water.

>>21741797
What a life

>>21741797
Be a richfag, unironically. Drink champagne and nothing else and have enough money to get pain meds from your doc. Also day-drinking so your sleep schedule doesn't get messed up by drinking late into the night.

“I drink Champagne when I’m happy and when I’m sad. Sometimes I drink it when I’m alone. When I have company I consider it obligatory. I trifle with it if I’m not hungry and drink it when I am. Otherwise, I never touch it―unless I’m thirsty.”

― Lily Bollinger, (1899-1977), Bollinger Champagne

>>21741797
day drinking is unironically the way, just cease your drinking about 5 hours before you need to go to bed and drink plenty of water

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>>21741276

>>21742262
You got me, I'm poor.... I'll go back to my plastic bottle of wine now

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>>21742264

>>21742269
Looks nice, what part of China is it from?

>>21741918
If I owned a champagne company I'd cook with it. I'd make spritzers with it. I'd brush my teeth in it. I'd use it to wash my ass after taking a particularly sloppy shit

>>21742304
That seems unwise, you should just sell it.

>>21742264
>plastic bottle
But Mad Dog 20/20 comes in glass!

>>21742300
Cortonjing

>>21742318
if there’s less of it it’s worth more!

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Weird shit tonight

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>>21742991
Oh shit forgot to rotate

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this was in a very happy spot tonight

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>>21733209
>anything in particular? I'm opening up a 2000 drouhin louise, idk what the backup is yet
late response but pic related (2023), family liked it last time I busted it open and I'm taking it to my relatives tomorrow. Also

>2000 drouhin louise
hope you're either loaded or your family has wine fans otherwise that's a thanksgiving waste

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The two bottles I'm bringing to thanksgiving. Nothing too crazy.

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Turkey

>>21745245
only family is my mom, whose name is Louise. I'll probably drink the lion's share

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Turkey?

>Natty wine
YWNBAW(ine)

>>21746880
FILTERED (literally)
your sentence is 3 months on lees

>>21746880
don’t ever contact me or my white’s skin again

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great with cheese

Yup it's Brouilly time

>>21730730
we didnt drink it, the beaucastel. said we will on christmas which is alot more lowkey and just immediate family. bought a bunch of josh and line 39 crap, we had around 30-35 people for dinner so that works out. also they arent bad, just not special.

>>21747798
this was meant for
>>21730767

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>>21722755
Going to recommend this one for me.

>>21722755
Kadarka from Bulgaria, and the Crimean Fortress Merlo from the Crimean Republic in the Russian Federation. Both reds are semi-sweet.

>>21747798
>beaucastel
Ya I'm thinking based

>>21722755
Just gimme a $20-30 south american

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>>21722755
highly recommend this one.

>>21722755
That's good advice, a few years ago a friend bought a very expensive bottle when we went out and got mad that no one was properly appreciating it when he knew perfectly well that none of us knew shit about wine. Keep your fancy juice to yourselves wine guys!
>>21723891
Is this faggot in every thread looking for minor French mistakes lmao

Got me some Dolcetto.
Pretty mid.

Pouily-Fussé tonight

>>21749679
welcome to the overwhelming majority of off-beaten-path italian varietals

>>21749679
i like it :/

>>21750035
It’s dolcetto

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hey blokes, i sort of just didnt drink since the 1st, im almost at the full month but feel like having some ginger beers tonight to see how i respond, but idk am i gonna be on my ass about not doing the full month. i dont want grog to be a big part of my life anymore but i dont want to cut sick about failing sobriety or someshit either

i have the beers in the fridge and im leaning like 60% just go another 2 days to say you did the month

keep in mind i was a 20 beers a night/bottle of straight on a weekend/2 bottles of wine drinker like 2 months ago.lol

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>>21750421
o shit this is a wine thread.. lol my bad

>>21750421
I'm rooting for you lad, good luck

>>21750425
cheers, certainly noticed how much ive not spent on grog

>>21750004
Love it
I knew someone 15y ago whose family owned a Pouilly fuissé vineyard, it was fucking great

I live in Spain and I hate spanish wine in general. French wine is hard to find and pretty expensive here

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It's finally here! My local shop got their yearly case allocation of Tempier Blanc; one of the most spectacular whites I've ever had (at least the 2022 was). Plan on opening it for Christmas eve with some fresh oysters & clams + mignonette

>>21750035
Based.
I shoulda just stuck with Montepuliciano d'abruzzo. Woulda been cheaper too.

>>21750421
just dont dew it, make some tea or something

>>21750663
Oooh cool

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TONIGHT

Picpoul Blanc from Halter Ranch

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I like Riesling but it's okay if you don't, you should drink what you want

how do i impress the wine aunts at my local wine store

>>21752075
cram an entire bottle in front of them

>>21752075
Buy more Italian whites

>>21751956
Love these niggas

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>>21738090
the label tells you a lot
cellartracker, robert parker

>>21738090
Read the label

>>21738090
If it's over >$18 burgers, has a year on it and is from Italy, France, Germany, Austria, Spain or Portugal it's probably good.

>>21752390
i will never forgive them for what they did to pinot gris
>>21753157
i hate to admit it but you're probably right. obviously there are exceptions, and obviously certain things will be better deals than others, but wine is wine and generally speaking will be fine

>>21751956
Try their eiswein sometime. It's insane.

Haven’t had a bad Sancerre from 2024 yet

>>21755536
I've only had bad Sancerre cause I hate that Sauv Blanc

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Got a young farmers christmas party next week. The guy at Groccery Outlet gave me some heavy dark Porto from Portugal think its 15 or 19% is that a good dinner wine?

>>21755889
sounds like more of a desert wine or a digestif

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>>21738090
>good
highly subjective and depends on what you are pairing the wine with. of the reds, i like burgundy, pinot, siraz. trader joes has high standards when it comes to what they offer so their wine selection is probably better than some big box grocery store that doesn't give a shit and just wants to have a stocked wine aisle. if you just want to get drunk, wine gets that job done too, and you can get it in bulk sizes like the huge jugs or boxes.

as with all things, even if you go with a highly rated one, you personally might not like it for whatever reason (too sweet, too bitter, etc.)

there are also charts

glögg drinkers?

>>21755889
This anon is right: >>21755969, but it can also work surprisingly well with rich savoury dishes like roast beef, especially those with fruit sauces.

>>21750663
I had a bottle of this when I was in Marseilles and I was severely disappointed. I had another bottle of Bandol blanc earlier this year for my birthday and it was also disappointing.

Maybe it's just not my thing.

>>21749637
looks like fujoslop

>>21749679
you've been filtered

>>21756647
How did you find Marseilles?
I took my girlfriend for a weekend, may as well have gone to Mogadishu.

>>21756653
I only went for a couple of days and stayed at a mansion in a pretty swank area.

I only spent a brief time in the city proper and it didn't seem so bad. Went to buy some pastries in the arab quarter, which was scummy but didn't feel unsafe. I assume the actually dangerous areas are in the suburbs.

there is literally nothing wrong with drinking boxed wine and it tastes better

>>21756785
>there is literally nothing wrong with drinking boxed wine and it tastes better
Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not know of one boxed wine that is ranked 90+, so no, they are not good and indeed wrong.

A simple device to save the remaining glasses in a good bottle of wine means you don't need boxed wine anymore. I use my vacu vin stoppers on my typical cooking wines all the time. It used to be only fortified wines like vermouth or sherry, but I usually have a port, a cognac and simple red wine by the stove. My gravies and pan sauces benefit from something delicious, as well as my stir fries.

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What did I think of this?
I'm cooking and added a glas of it to the pot and a glas for myself.
I chugged it if that even matters

>>21756790
>Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not know of one boxed wine that is ranked 90+
based retard points blind faither

>I usually have a port, a cognac and simple red wine by the stove
lmao

>>21756803
you tell us mr esl

>>21756785
>there is literally nothing wrong with drinking boxed wine
agreed
>and it tastes better
delusional
post your favorite wine, I'll recommend you something better

When did we get a wine general?
What do you niggas think about Madeira?

>>21757677
One of my favourite wine styles, really interesting complex, edgy wines with varying levels of sweetness.

Also nice bonus that you can keep it open for ages and it doesn't spoil.

old vine garnacha this evening

>>21757677
i like the dry styles, sercial is the tits.

>>21757677
Sometime in the last 6 months

>>21756561
sure, why not

Muscadet kinda day

>>21760090
Based.
Alvarinho for me

>>21760090
>>21760249
Crozes-Hermitage Syrah reporting in

>>21760090
>>21760249
>>21760311
Abruzzo Sangiovese present

>>21756803
their $9 cava tastes like a $9 cava

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>>21760090
>>21760249
>>21760311
>>21760555
Silvaner coming up

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Whatever the fuck this is tonight

>>21741797
eat food with your wine, you'll naturally drink in moderation and enjoy the wine more (assuming you pair it correctly)

>>21762406
Holy shit I was just at that winery a month and a half ago. Pretty good stuff for the price.

Liatiko is one of my new favourite varieties. Reminds me of Xinomavro or Nebbiolo.

>>21762453
that's also what I wrote in my notes, reminded me of Piemonte wine like Nebbiolo, Grignolino, Perlaverga. Still haven't tasted a Xinomavro, really hard to find here on the west coast (not in LA or SF) for whatever reason.

>>21762457
Greek wines are still on the ascendance and haven't really had their place in the sun yet, looking forward to it though, there's some real bangers like Assyrtiko and Agiorgitiko.

>>21762462
Agreed, some dry Moschofilero(check my spelling lol) can punch with the best Gewurtzaminer

>>21762406
Nice. Alto Adige Pinot Grigio for me.

>>21762466
I've only ever tried an atypical Moschofilero, I'm not the biggest fan of Gewurz but I still want to try a more typical example.

>>21762406
Holy based I had that exact wine not too long ago
I liked it as well as their vidiano
>>21762434
>you'll naturally drink in moderation
hell no i always wind up gulping it. often I'll have a glass of water so I can chug that and only take small sips of the wine but overall I drink wine way faster when eating with it

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Some luxury for the weekend.

>>21763261
Always confusing when you see an old world wine with very new world branding.

>>21763261
King shit

Torii Mor single vineyard tonight

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Nuits St Georges
Tonight

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>>21764242
pic rel but the 22

can anyone reccomend a fancy madeira

>>21764346
no.

>>21764398
sorry

>>21764421
don't apologize, I also need madeira recs along with palomino fino and vintage port and bone dry marsala.

I prefer Malmsey, they are more port-like in that they're rich and sweet. Broadbent 10yr Malmsey is what got me hooked on Madeira

>>21764472
im having some blandys 5yr malmsey is that ok its in a coffee mug

>>21764489
i didn't really care for it and i feel it's a cooking wine
but yeah it's pretty based out of a coffee mug and family functions

>>21738090
Look for
>Organic/Biodynamic certifications
>unfined
>unfiltered
>wild/native ferment
and you’ll usually get a decent wine.
Also go to a proper wine shop and not fucking Kroger.

>le Biodynamic meme