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>>21722755
Roagna Barolo Pira VV 2018 (Magnum)

>>21722857
how are the 18s drinking? all the nice 16 serralunga I have in my cellar need a 5 hour decant to even show up in the glass.

>>21722975
Like a dream

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Currently enjoying a rather musty '22 Tintara Cabernet

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>>21722755
Got the Loosen meme tonight
>>21722857
Jealous
>>21722988
Sovl

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>>21722988
Complimentary cheese platter

>>21722857
>magnum
>stated to be 750ml
also fuck Roagna and fuck William's Corner, prices literally doubled after their 16s got 100 points

just got a ploussard, what am i in for?

>>21723091
sarsaparilla and fruit leather
better than gamay tbqh

>>21723093
>better than nebbiolo's retarded cousin tbqh
thats not saying much

>>21722755
wine tastes like shit to me since im high iq what does it taste like to the other side?

>>21723523
poincare got an abysmally low score on his IQ test, so we can assume you're not actually very smart

>>21723859
Wow. You actually wrote ‘Poincare’? That’s… impressive, in the same way a toddler scribbling with crayons is impressive. The name is Poincaré — with an accent, because, shockingly, French has rules. That little mark isn’t optional; it’s the difference between sounding like you’ve opened a math textbook and sounding like you’ve misread a menu at a cheap café. Honestly, if you can’t manage one accent mark, maybe stick to names like Bob or Sue. Leave the grown‑up words to people who can handle them."

>>21723891
I'm going to let it slide for now, but next time I see you posting this chatGPT template you're getting reported. And I'm not going to tell you, it's going to come out of the blue. You're being watched. Consider this a friendly warning.

>>21723891
Wow, you wrote down all that panties-in-a-wad rant and you can't even use the correct term for (your words) "that little mark"?
I could not care less but you were such a dick in your post felt obliged to point your own toddler-speak out.

Is young Bordeaux actually drinkable or is that just a meme?

>>21723916
most of it is. unless you just love setting your money on fire you're not going to accidentally buy a bordeaux that needs to be sat on for 10 years before it's good to go. same goes for any region, those kinds of wines are almost unheard of at "casual buy" price levels

>>21723918
No I’m talking about the ‘22 vintage releases that are expensive and supposedly ready to drink now because they’re modern but I feel like that’s just Bordeaux being desperate to sell their shit

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drinking the 2016

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bidding tonight

>>21724865
I won :)

saint julian sells good wine for fair prices.

>>21723928
>ready to drink now
>Bordeaux being desperate to sell their shit
can't it be both?

Wine being considered a luxury rustles my jimmies. I can get a 5 liters cubicle of merlot for 10€ and it taste as good as the fancy shit.

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remember in the '10s when everyone couldn't shut up about mega purple and now nobody seems to care? what happened? did everyone just get bored of caring about what adjuncts get used, or did the orthorexic weirdos all just move to their stinky natty wine sewage juice

>>21725634
you cracked the code dude!

>>21725634
pine ridge napa chenin sells for $5 at walmart

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>Cote du Py tonight
Ya I'm thinking we're back

>>21725484
I feel like it's more desperation. bordeaux is in deep shit right now, and they're pitching 22 as being like 09 or 82 even though abv is getting close to napa levels, so it's not going to be like either of those years, especially 82 lol. maybe they're very drinkable young, I haven't been fortunate enough to go to a new release bdx tasting yet, but at 14-14.5% abv? idk about that. would rather spend my money on an 09 if I'm getting bdx at all
>>21725739
both. there's also the middle road of finding producers who do unfined/unfiltered low intervention wine from biodynamically farmed grapes, but still use the odd bit of so2 to keep shit under control. one of the silver linings of the fuckass US import system is that importers like kermit lynch do all of that legwork

>biodynamically
cringe femoid astrology grape chakra drivel
mankind must defeat god in a faustian endeavor to develop the ultimate wine using only cold hard autism

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>>21727355
>he does not want to RETVRN
>he does not want to escape the demiurge's prison
O servant of the greater evil who opens his wines on root days, BEGONE

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Christoph Waltz's "last meal" on youtube. Last meal, and it's a fleurie. The bojocru wankery has gone too far.

>>21727961
BASED.
He's literally my guy.
Well finish up my Morgon >>21727038 tonight

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>>21728380
I suppose I should stop shit talking it because once They lose interest in BJC, They will come rampaging through the wine aisles for the next craze and if I'm not lucky my favorite wines will get Eternal Septembered

>>21722755
Im going to buy a cubi of red at Lidl this weekend for cooking
With some luck I can drink it too

Perlaverga tonight

>>21727476
uh yeah bro why don’t you plant some rose quartz in the soil then shove it up your ass faggot

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>>21728931
>being this mad about farming methods that every grower worth a shit uses
go chug some roundup

>>21730097
>grown man believing in astrology
got nothin else to say to such an embarrassment

>>21730107
go tell it to DRC

>>21730112
>demographic of rich retards exists
>company appeals to them for more money
WOAH
obviously good organic farming is important but the mystic cartel of healing crystal girls and their male orbiters acting as a certifying board needs to go

for me, its a handle of vodka

>>21730122
DRC doesn't really advertise that they're biodynamic, it's just a thing they've been doing for the last few decades, like a lot of growers have. you can whine like a /pol9k/tard about it all you want but adopting at least some biodynamic methods is fairly standard practice for vineyards that produce grapes for premium wines (anything above $20 or so per 750ml bottle). what you think of as "good organic farming" almost certainly includes some of those principles, and there's been a lot of research that shows that it does improve soil quality. if you don't think that's important for the quality of wine, idk what else to say. but keep raging like a manchild about it ig

>>21730144
of course using actual farming techniques has real effects. the influence of the fucking planets does not. call me an i fucking love science fedora whatever but youve failed to convince me of anything other than your retardation

I walked past the barrels of Beaujolais nouveau this afternoon
I considered going but they're opening them at midnight and I don't want to freeze my balls

spaniard here, we have raimat organic and sangre de toro for cheap, and they taste amazing none of that chemical taste other wines have

>>21730159
you don't really sound like you're open to being convinced of much of anything, and I bet if I posted some SCIENCE(tm) regarding bd farming (general consensus of the lit I've seen is that it improves outcomes, not sure why, further study needed) you'd just keep screeching and pounding the table like a babby

and it would be fucking hilarious to see you throw a shitfit and start pouring good wine down the sink when you find out the producer is bd

>>21730195
>start pouring good wine down the sink when you find out the producer is bd
lmfao
Alright I'll drop the hostile tone for the sake of discussion. I'll start with saying that overall I think biodynamics has fortunately been a positive on the wine industry. If there's a cult of dogmatic mystics slapping the wrists of domaines for using unscrupulous practices and dishonoring Demeter by using pesticides then yeah a cultural shift toward organic practices is ultimately a good thing even if it's misguided. Farming and winemaking is not mathematics- it's an artform. Yes there is science involved but there are too many variables to account for (esp. soil microbes) and ultimately the approach must be empirical. If the biodynamic methods work then they work. But ultimately, letting superstitious bullshit in will hold it back. Perfectly ripe grapes and a storm is coming tomorrow? Oops! Can't harvest cause the moon is in the wrong spot. If you want to be overly philosophical or spiritual about the viticultural process and how the grapes' journey through time means they bear the culmination of every aspect of their environment and are ultimately products of divine fate that's fine. But adhering to blind reptilian ritual, especially whose origin is from something as unserious as fucking astrology, is a tumor to progress. Not to mention of course how much money the Demeter foundation receives for their little stamps because they hold a de facto monopoly over certification since no serious governing body has stepped in yet.
Re: our discussion you've mostly just made appeals to authority and ad hominems, which I suppose I shall now return to in my previous vicious internet argument form.
Shut the fuck up faggot
You may now reply to this post to get your snarky last word in since I probably won't reply because I think we're at a fundamental impasse. I do not respect astrology

>>21722755
APOTHIC RED

>>21730279
>our discussion
lol there hasn't been a discussion, just you calling me a faggot. if that qualifies as a discussion for you, please go outside and talk to human beings
>you've mostly just made appeals to authority and ad hominems
complaining about adhoms when you've been doing nothing but flinging them from the start? do you have no capacity for self-reflection? or is it that you don't like it when your energy is returned to you in kind?
as far as appeals to authority are concerned, I've merely stated that a lot of vineyards, including the top domaines, are bd in whole or part. they know a lot about viniculture, so whatever their perspective on farming and land stewardship is, is worth considering

>because I think we're at a fundamental impasse
I don't think we are but you've been doing nothing but flinging insults, and you've indicated that's all you want to do, instead of having a discussion. if you want to have an actual discussion about it, I'm open, but it sounds like you aren't

but just in case you are, the astrology in bd is mainly following lunar cycles, but for some reason or another it's been shown by some agricultural studies to work. for instance, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351822040_Astronomical_Rhythms_in_Biodynamic_Agriculture
why that is, is uncertain and requires further study. it's definitely not a direct effect of the moon's gravitational pull, but there's something there, and that's what research is for
>Can't harvest cause the moon is in the wrong spot
nobody is so dogmatic that they'd risk losing an entire crop over that lmao, there's revenue at stake, after all

I don't drink DRC because they use that moon voodoo ya.
Otherwise I'd have bottles of la Tache every week.

>>21730326
Same here bro. Also mouton rothschild shall never pass my lips because I'm anti-semitic. And I eschew egon muller scharzhofberger because I will never forgive the germans for the holocaust

>>21730323
>lol there hasn't been a discussion
there's been a series of like 10 posts. never said anything about it being a very good discussion
>complaining about adhoms when you've been doing nothing but flinging them from the start? do you have no capacity for self-reflection?
no i'm fully aware of what vitriolic shitposting is hence why I engaged in it because I figured you to be a smug dunning-kruger /x/ poster which are quite common on this website. We may now speak on human terms

The lunar cycle is periodic so it's no surprise that its phases correspond to certain events. It's just a reference metric of timekeeping- no real harm in that.
It's the other ritual bullshit like burying quartz in bull horns and whatnot. You could even make arguments about the quartz retaining heat or providing irrigation paths or whatever, and even if you can't find some mechanism or explanation doesn't mean there isn't one outside of woo-woo "cosmic energy". And especially shit like opening a finished bottle of wine on certain days means it will taste better because of how the planets are aligned I mean jesus fucking christ. Ultimately the entire topic is almost a non-issue because some of these practices are basically harmless (quartz is inert) but the fact that the industry is kowtowing to such a silly cult is kind of disgusting. Of course religious institutions have had historical and present influence on all kinds of things, but god damn astrology and affiliated crystal energy worship is such a low tier superstition.
>>21730326
>>21730334
BASED

DRC deez nuts

>>21730334
>And I eschew egon muller
Ya cause hes worse than the Prums

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Wine club drops

>>21730455
Are you rich or just love drinking your retirement plans?

>>21730459
It's calif*rnia piss literally no value

>>21730465
>$800 worth of wine
So rich then

>>21730471
Stewart is middle class

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Considering this, but at the very end with my brothers and mom. Not sure yet

>>21730655
I didn't know they celebrated t-day in england

>>21730675
>Imported by vineyard brands, inc. birmingham, alabama

>>21730704
The wine just wanted to be free.

Got an Etna Rosso.
Tasting pretty pretty pretty good.

>>21730383
>never said anything about it being a very good discussion
it really doesn't merit being called that and it's entirely on you for setting the tone, whether or not you want to admit it
>I figured you to be a smug dunning-kruger /x/ poster
that's what you got from a completely obviously sarcastic post about the demiurge? maybe I really do need to start adding /s to some of my posts here...or was it the earlier post that triggered you?
>We may now speak on human terms
idk man you still sound kinda angry but at least you're starting to sound like an adult now, so I'll take you up on that

fwiw the more scientific theory behind the use of quartz is that when it's ground up and sprayed on the crops, it helps with photosynthesis and traps a bit of moisture, which is something that it's been observed to do in the wild. whether or not it actually does more than make the plants glisten really nicely in the morning, I dunno. the preparation steps with the cow horns and whatnot seem like an expensive waste of time tho. maybe that's why a lot of vineyards don't do the full certification process, because why bother when you can just get the crap commercially and spray it, for whatever good it does. even tho the bd approach is a holistic systems based one I can't imagine it mattering if that particular part of the system is changed

end of the day it doesn't matter too much to me other than that the growers really Care about the soil, because of how much impact it has on the quality of the wine. there are a lot methodologies, of which bd is one. it's nice that certain importers like Lynch do the work of figuring out who does what and even pushing them to make wine a certain way, so when I see a wine from some unknown producer that's been imported by them, I can trust that it's somewhere in between full-crunch nattytardation and industrial agrislop
>>21730471
$800 for a case isn't too bad haha *sigh*
>>21730655
hell yes, should be in a good place right now

>>21730767
>you still sound kinda angry
"ur mad" is the lowest form of conversation
>whether or not you want to admit it
oh yeah i'll admit it I came out the gate swinging
>completely obviously sarcastic post about the demiurge
i knew there was a high chance it was satire, but I'll remind you of just where the fuck we are. poe's law doesn't even begin to describe the /pol/ /x/ spectrum demographic of posters.

But yeah anyway I agree with the rest of your post and I've more or less said my piece got nothin else to really say on the matter (I've got at least one Demeter International certified orange wine next to me kek, probably some others mixed in there). At the end of the day it's something I merely roll my eyes at but that won't stop me from being an overly zealous sperg on the internet.
>expensive waste of time tho. maybe that's why a lot of vineyards don't do the full certification process
right, that's why we need some kind of body to step in that can hand out good boy stars to vineyards other than cooky wingnuts

Feels like a pinot Thanksgiving this year

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>>21730760
Day 2 still pretty good.
Is there anything this DRC label knock off can't do?

>>21732463
I saw another winery using DRC font recently, I forgot where. Mighta been spain.

My neigborhood shop wants $21 for the new 2025 beaujolais. West has fallen.