When did the cheeseburger beat the hamburger and become the prototypical burger? 99% of burger joints will have one or maybe two burgers sans cheese nowadays.
>>21756282Something about your mom
>>21756282Just order it without cheese. Jeez-Louise.
>>21756282Like salt and pepper some things just naturally go together. Cheese is a perfect marriage in the hamburger, there's just no reason to go back once you try it.
>>21756282we’ve gotten used to it and now it feels incomplete without
>>21756288I never said I dislike cheeseburgers, I just find it interesting that at some point they became the standard.
>>21756329The first time you taste one you realize you can never go back. Hamburgers and cheese exist to be together.
the cheese, the pickle, the mustard and ketchup. No filler, all killer. It has become it's own independent entity void of any supplementary administration from the hamburger.
The only cheese I don't like on burgers is frozen white castle, it tastes oddjust the hamburger, bun, and onions is good enough, or you can add your own cheese you do like
>>21756282>99% of burger joints will have one or maybe two burgers sans cheese nowadaysHow many varieties of "hamburger without cheese" do you need...?
>>21756282When they added the cheese to it.
>>21756288>wagie adds cheese anywayNothin' personnel, have a nice day sir
>>21756282Louis Lunch proved that, if your meat is of sufficient quality, you need neither cheese nor more than a topping or two as an accent.
>>21756576There's plenty of things in life you don't need, doesn't mean life isn't better with them.
>>21756576looks edible if it's cold outside, "my bread is freezing" kind of sandwich
>>21756580Let me put this another way: "don't need" in this case means "distracts from and detracts from the focus flavor", in this case, the flavor of excellent beef. Louis Lunch uses a proprietary blend of five different cuts.
>>21756588If your cheese is overpowering the beef then you're bad at picking cheese or your beef is flavorless.>proprietary blendOh, so it's just marketing towards retards then.
>>21756576>>21756588https://louislunch.com/menu/>We want you to experience the meat’s true flavor, so we serve it on white toast with only cheese, onion, and tomato as garnishes.>with only cheese, onion, and tomato as garnishes>cheeseLouis Lunch apparently disagrees with you, fucking poser dumbass.
>>21756282chicken burger clears
>>21756608They only added that option sometime in the 1970s after tastelets kept yelling about it, and you get just a little smear of it, not a lot. It's a concession for business, not an admission of culinary principle.
>>21756626It's not an "option", it's their default. For being such a big fan of them it's weird that you didn't know what's on their burgers when there are so few toppings.
>>21756632>It's not an "option", it's their default.You don't know what you're talking about. I've eaten there several times. You only get the meat patty and bread by default, you have to request everything else.Now, go back to your loose-meat sandwich or whatever the fuck you flyovers eat.
>>21756636You don't know what you're talking about because you didn't even know they serve cheese on it. You're embarrassing yourself.
>>21756638You need to go back to English class, take a logic class, something. I said they showed that you don't *need* cheese on something. That doesn't mean I didn't know they served cheese. That would be an incredible for someone that's lived in Connecticut for nine years and gone to Louis Lunch several times.
>>21756640>an incredible forI know you'll zero on in this, so yeah, I dropped a word, it's early morning and I'm spending my life arguing with an intentionally obtuse dickhead on /ck/. So I guess I won at life as much as you.
You don't know what prototypical means.
>>21756642>zero on inFuck I can't get a break. Time for coffee.
>>21756588You don't know what proprietary means.
>>21756636>gets caught lying>gets mad and starts flinging nonsense insultsAre you a woman?
>>21756640>That would be an incredible for someone that's lived in Connecticut for nine years and gone to Louis Lunch several times.You're fine anon, by /ck/ standards you're one of the smarter retards. New review the menu a few more times and try to memorize all 3 toppings this time. Take it slow.
>>21756648You are unable to process English properly if you think I was somehow lying.
>>21756649They add tomatoes, onions, and pickles.No cheese
>>21756678Their own website says otherwise. I’m beginning to think you’ve never even been to Louis Lunch.
>>21756678Try again, anon. Or maybe they got it wrong on their banner and in their written menu....or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about either. Maybe do a group huddle with the original backpedaling retard and make flash cards with cheese, tomato, and onion on them.
>>21756683>>21756698Capicola, provolone, and vinegar peppers
>>21756678>>21756683>>21756698Okay, I'm the actual Louis-Lunch-goer and this anon is just being a troll. They don't even have pickles there.
>>21756732>this anon is an unrelated trollYeah obviously.>I've been there I swearOf course, anon. You've nearly memorized their entire toppings selection, so you're practically a regular.
>>21756732More like Louis Lunch Liar
>>21756745i'm the liarno YOU'RE the liar/ck/ is just grade school
>>21756576visual evidence that the original isnt always the best version of something
>>21756732I've also eaten at Louis Lunch...They have a slab of raw onion pressed into the raw burger that goes into their ancient metal broiler grilling device. The vertical thing cooks the onion at the same time as the meat and it goes to a medium rare doneness. The bread is white bread toast, and because of the fresh tomato, there's no need for the forbidden ketchup.They have a delicous potato salad. You should get the Foxon soda in the birch beer flavor.
>>21756816Birch beer always tastes like mouthwash to me. Mental thing, I guess. With Foxon Park I always go for their exquisitely dry ginger ale. One of the best I've found.
>>21756853Interesting. I haven't veered away from their birch beer, as it's too nostalgic. I have memories of sasparilla like that, as well. I'm an original Vernor's fan, but too bad it's not aged in oak barrels anymore. I probably usually just order ginger ale while flying, just to avoid the caffeine.
>>21756887Vernor's is a shadow of what it used to be. I had that stuff back in late '80s and early 90s and it used to have so much more bite, like Barq's.
honestly I prefer a burger that's just meat on bread with salt, pepper, and ketchupcan also substitute the ketchup for a fried egg but not too big on cheeseburgerspart of that is me not liking ketchup with anything but meat and potatoes though. goes great with burger, breaded chicken, and fries but I don't like it with anything else. hence not liking it with cheese.
>>21756282What do you mean "become"? A burger without cheese is LITERALLY incomplete, and always has been.
>>21756617chicken burger is only a burger if the chicken is ground meat.
>>21756282It's hip to be square
Cheese shouldn't be anywhere near meats like beef. Don't be retarded. When was the last time you saw someone put cheese on a sirloin steak? Stop it.
>>21757074Sure thing moische
>>21756291>>21756332There are still some great use cases for hamburgers. Grilled and slathered in bbq with onion/pickle. Smashed onion burgers have such a depth of flavor, cheese isn't needed. The Hamburg burger, which is a patty dunked in gravy with mushrooms on top. Sometimes, just a plain burger where the meat is the star is great too. I love cheese as well, but the hamburger ain't dead. >>21756576They add cheese spread...>>21757074Steak doesn't = ground beef, Chuck
>>21756282>When did the cheeseburger beat the hamburger and become the prototypical burger?rampant antisemitism
>>21757616>They add cheese spread...Why can people today not fucking read? Have educational standards gone down the drain that much?You CAN add it. You don't HAVE to. Jesus
>>21757621Just like Burger King
>>21757621Louis Lunch proved that even when have a good thing going and you're insistent on doing things the way they were done in the late 1800's in every other manner(to the point of using century-old antique cookware), adding cheese is still enough of an improvement that they'll make that change. Your original post tried to make the point that cheese was a detractor from a quality burger and the seller of your choice clearly disagreed. Everything else has just been distraction from that ridiculous self-own.Louis Lunch is the strongest point possible that cheese belongs on a burger.
>>21757736>the seller of your choice clearly disagreedPutting an option on your menu for the sake of tastelets != cheese MUST be on a burger. Hope this helps. But you need remedial education anyway
>>21757742No no no, the original idiot(you maybe) said that a burger didn't need cheese, then corrected himself to say that cheese makes a burger like the one from Louis Lunch patently worse. You're entitled to that dogshit opinion but even the most traditionalist burger salesman out there disagrees with you because even while they won't compromise on most any other part of their process, they realized that cheese was enough of an improvement to add that to a VERY selective topping menu.
>>21757759are you autistic? i used to have this kind of argument on the internet 20 years ago lol anyway ain't reading all that
>>21756608>quickly fact checks and owns some anticheezer is this the power of dairy...?
>>21757766Anon my post was very simple, what are you on about? My post makes a clear point that has nothing to do with misconstruing whether or not the dumbass in question(probably you) was aware of cheese being an option on their burgers. Do you actually prefer to argue about that instead or do you want actual discussion? He seemed very willing to argue about that. Tell me what is wrong here in these simple points>dumbass touts a specific restaurant as being an example of cheese detracting from a good burger>the restaurant is steadfastly uncompromising, to the point of using century-old cookware and workflow that necessitates hour-long waits for their food>even THEY still decided that cheese was a big enough improvement to take their selective topping list from 2 to 3.He could have just said "I don't like cheese on my burgers" and been done with it, just had his shitty opinion. But he had to point towards an incredibly traditionalist-style restaurant to lend credence to his point, but that fucking backfired because even they decided cheese was an improvement.
>>21757805holy wall of text batmani have no dog in this fight but goddamn you sure seem to care a lot about this
>>21757811Anon made a claim and the restaurant he pointed to as a source says the opposite of his claim. That simple enough for a retard like you?
