The hogs all came to visit you in your cage? That was nice of them.
>>21759945Holy fuckibg kek
>>21759879Pigs and chickens are fucking amazing. You can feed them weeds and scraps and spoiled food and garbage and they convert it into poultry/eggs and bacon. Awesome little bastards. Natures Mr.Fusions.
>>21759879even if you don't care about the potential suffering, it makes for lower quality products. stressed and unhealthy animals create nutritionally inferior and worse tasting products. unless you're desperately poor and it's the only way you can stay alive and healthy there isn't really any good reason for this and there has to be some kind of negative outcome like how it causes more disease outbreaks.
>>21760515>source: my literally gaping asshole
>>21760517Sucks to be poor eh? You'll never know how inferior your ingredients truly are kek
>>21760532Brown fingers wrote this post
>>21760532>>21760515Correct.
>>21760532>there has to be some kind of negative outcomelol so you're admitting you're just guessing and have fucking clue what you're talking about
>>21760532Tell me what conditions make a pig stressed out, and how you know it's the case.No, "it'd stress me out" is not an answer; they're not human
>>21760517there is plenty of information you can easily find supporting my claim if you stop thinking about gaping assholes for a minute. >i'm not gonna do my own research!that's great, because you'd probably just dismiss anything i showed you anyway.
>>21760538well that was someone else, and in my own post right after that i said how factory farming causes large disease outbreaks as an example. did you really not finish reading that before responding?
>>21760540thanks for your concession
>>21760540>go google it and find the answer to my position!lol what a faggot. Talk out of your ass and cannot back it up. This is embarrassing.
>>21760539The hard floors hurt their feet once they get over a certain weight.Pigs are natural foragers that enjoy roaming and digging through the dirt, and they can't do that in tight pens.Pigs are naturally pretty clean animals and designate an area to use the bathroom in away from where they sleep. In tight pens they're forced to live in their own shit and piss until the worker hopefully washes them off.There's three from someone who raises pork on pasture.
>>21760539>Tell me what conditions make a pig stressed outlack of access to fresh air and sunlight, you don't have to be human to experience stress from that. pigs are omnivores who naturally have varied diets in the wild, pigs just being fed corn and soy are shown to have nutritional differences in their fat that make them less healthy. i don't know as much about that regarding pigs but at least with cows, grain-fed cows have less omega 3 in their milk compared to grass-fed.
>>21759879he's okay with this
i only eat fish and poultry because hurting mammals that look like this makes me feel bad. i think i always felt that way but just decided to follow through with it pretty recently around 30. i actually keep it a secret irl as well and don't hassle other people
>>21760547>cannoti can. it just seems pointless. when you start talking about gaping assholes, it doesn't promote actual discussion.https://practicalfarmers.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/18.L.Nutrient-Density-Profiles-for-Conventional-vs.-Pasture-Raised-Pork.pdf>Pigs from the three groups had different fatty acid compositions, with varying omega-6:3 ratios. Omega-3 fatty acid concentration was greatest in the grain-free group, intermediate in the 50% grain group and lowest in the 100% grain group.https://wildideabuffalo.com/blogs/journal/cafos-vs-grass-fed>The farms emit high levels of ammonia and hydrogen sulfide that can harm humans, the research has shown. “The data is pretty good,” he said. “We found plenty of health effects on people working inside them, and we also found that when it comes to CAFOs, neighbors do suffer health effects.”https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19737056/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20stress%20in%20farm%20animals%20can%20have,of%20stress%20is%20difficult%20to%20precisely%20determine.>This review shows that there is increasing evidence to demonstrate that stress can have a significant deleterious effect on food safety through a variety of potential mechanisms. i've done plenty of research to actually come to these conclusions. sperging out talking about gaping assholes and just getting angry instead of taking the two minutes to find this information yourself just makes you seem like you don't want it to be true rather than you really caring whether it's true or not.
The chinese cook dogs and cats alive in boiling pots or just take propane torches and cooking them while living with direct heat. How we slaughter our animals in western countries is a bountiful mercy in comparison. Their upbringing is also much harsher. Do they suffer? Yes. That is their lot in life. They are beneath us in the food chain. In all of nature dying peacefully of old age in your sleep happens to about 0.0001% of all animals. Almost everything dies screaming. Or starving or exposure. Death is rarely painless if not artificially dispensed. Pain and suffering is the price of admission to life. Only humans truly ever broke out of that cycle and even still it afflicts a great many of us. Stop crying over livestock that get to die many times more peaceful then they would outside of our care.
>>21760567You are really attached to these gaping assholes you keep dreaming about
>>21760560if you're going to eat something then bivalves seem like the best option. there is even debate among vegans if they're ethical or not because their nervous sytem is so simple that people aren't even sure if they're aware of anything. of course if you actually care then it can't be proven 100% they don't feel pain or discomfort but it seems like the most moral option if you have to eat something like that. and as an added benefit they're often higher in nutrients than basic meat products are too with clams and oysters being one the best sources of zinc and iron.
>>21760568>The chinesesaying someone else does something worse doesn't make doing something bad okay.>Do they suffer? Yes. That is their lot in life. They are beneath usdisgusting way of thinking and simply feels like an excuse so you can say it's out of your hands, the world made it this way, and you can't do anything about it. but that's not true.
>>21760569yeah except someone actually started posting about that if you actually read the thread >>21760517
>>21760570>because their nervous sytem is so simple that people aren't even sure if they're aware of anything.This is exactly while I boil my lobsters and soft shell crabs alive. They do taste better fresh as possible and almost zero chance of dying from fucking sea bug meat.
Livestock are food, not pets. They don't need your sympathy. Born to be eaten.
>>21760572>disgusting way of thinkingSorry reality offends your sensibilities. Nature doesn't give a shit about your feelings. Animals that die by our hands are some of the luckiest to exist. I do not need an "excuse" to eat meat. I eat it because it tastes good. I actually don't give any thought to their quality of life or how they are slaughtered. I just know there are much worse ways to go and not just from human hands.
>>21760573I see one person posted it one time and you're referenced it like four times now anon
>>21759879Sure.Either way, you should limit meat consumption for the sake of your own health as well. Too many people eat way too much red meat, it certainly is a factor in cancer rates. Less meat and lean meat is the way.>>21760483I wholly agree! Eggs are my favourite
>>21760577>Nature doesn't give a shit about your feelings.i'm a part of nature and i give a shit, you're just detachedwhat you're saying would make more sense if these animals all actually had better lives where they were cared for and not being stressed but that's not the case. it would make more sense on a farm if you had pigs that were foraging and eating your food scraps and you only slaughtered them when necessary. keeping a pig in a cage and eating more than you really need just ends up not really making them seem "lucky". factory farmed animals may be better off in the wild or not existing at all instead of just constantly suffering. an animal in the wild who at least has the chance to live and be healthy and experience some pleasant things even if there's a painful end may not be as bad as what factory farmed animals experience every day of their lives.
>>21760584Honestly I think the cost of groceries and red meat in general has curbed that way the hell down these past few years. I have not had beef in like months. Some chicken, little pork, lots of eggs though because they are cheap as hell now and I love them.
Treating all animals like pet is typical among the sheltered city wankers that don't know how nature is really like
>>21760592You're biologically part of nature but also not. We have completely fucking broken the rules of nature by existing. Transcended the food chain and made ourselves masters of this planet more or less. You're applying the human condition to animals that simply do not qualify for it cognitively. You cannot ask a pig if it wants to be born or if it would have rather not even existed at all. It simply is. Being fed, not torn apart by predators, then slaughtered relatively quickly is a better life and death then most wild animals can expect. You're talking about inefficient human altered reality where these animals get to enjoy the benefits of our care but under the best conditions absolutely possible. These are fake scenarios. They do not occur in nature. Yeah you can pamper and preen and treat a pig like a king for 10 years then put it to sleep with a painless gas in a warm bed then harvest it's meat. That is not a fair comparison to what he gets in a modern slaughter house upbringing or what it would encounter in the wild left to it's own devices.
>>21760517Are Americans really that dumb? Have you never tasted homekill? Probably have planes spraying teflon power on all the wild animals over there...
>>21760575Correct, but that doesn't mean you should subject them to unnecessary suffering. Even if an animal is destined for slaughter it still deserves respect, especially considering it is giving its life for you/humans sustain themselves.The meat is tastier and healthier when animals live a more natural life and eat a more natural diet.
Having other people raise and kill the meat we consume made the prey-predator relationship an afterthought to some and that is unhealthy We should teach kids how to kill, butcher, prepare, cook and consume their own prey at least once in their life.
>>21760615You can raise a few meat chickens in a small backyard coop very easily. The whole processing is pretty easy and you can save a lot of money if you eat lots of chicken.
>>21759879Hey guys I just made a pound of bacon and have collected the grease. What should I do with it? I was just gonna fry an egg or some potatoes but what do you guys do?
>>21760601>You're talking about inefficient human altered reality where these animals get to enjoy the benefits of our care but under the best conditions absolutely possible. These are fake scenarios. They do not occur in nature.i'm thinking more about how a pig would've been on a small farm. they are definitely treated better by small farmers today, and the majority probably would've been treated better when most people were still farmers. it seems to be more of an issue with industrialization. i'm not saying we have to pamper a pig like a king, but it should at least not be stressed every day of its short life. factory farming is more of the problem rather than the animal being under our control and eventually slaughtered. there was a kind of symbiotic relationship where we cared for the animals and took what we needed when necessary but that's been completely thrown out the window with factory farming and the way most people are overconsuming these days and it's just made the whole thing seem absolutely vile.
>>21759879If you die while obese you get reincarnated as a factory farmed pig.
>>21760515I keep hearing this but I have never seen any proof
>>21760609>Have you never tasted homekill?Yes it tasted goodNon home kill also tastes good What's your point?
>>21760622Problem is efficiency. Yes we can take greater care of these animals but that comes at a cost. Smaller farms are way way slower and process the meat slowly as well. Then you have to collect from dozens of smaller farms with wavering varied quality control to meet the output of an industrial slaughter house facility. Prices of meat would sky rocket. The average consumer simply does not give a fuck or enough of a fuck to pay twice or triple the price. It is not the best but it could be worse. In the end they are just animals. They exist to be eaten. Blame it on the misfortune of your birth Wilbur.
>>21760631Go get some meat from a local farmer or a butcher that actually sells great quality meat. It isn't difficult to prove for yourself.
>>21760631did you make any effort to look into it? i posted some stuff here >>21760567
>>21760637>In the end they are just animals. They exist to be eaten. Blame it on the misfortune of your birth Wilbur.nah, that feels defeatist. i understand the issues, i know it's complicated and i'm not saying the solution is simple. but i think at least not falling into this kind of thinking where we're completely okay with it is at least proper for now.
>>21760641>you're just making excuses>nah, that feels defeatist.Dude. They are animals. I like eating them. I do not need a moral cop out to say this loud and proud. It isn't complicated. It is simply how much do I give a fuck about how my food lived versus what I, the consumer, will pay for it. That is the free market. If people gave a shit then they would pay more. Which they do. Some people will pay out the nose for free range or organic. Which ironically is usually just more industrial farming with juuuuuuuust enough legal wiggle room to stamp their product yet those animals live pretty much in the same conditions. Life sucks when you're not born as a human. Thems the breaks.
>>21760641Buy from local small scale farmers. It is more expensive if you cant buy halves or wholes, but you can usually go and see the farm and how the animals are treated. The meat is almost always better, especcially if they're raising heirloom breeds.>>21760648Enjoy eating ground beef that has the meat from 1000 different cows in it.
>>21760648>yet those animals live pretty much in the same conditions.no? free range chickens may still be cramped up in a building but it's still infinitely better than the battery cages where they can barely move.
>>21760667Free range just means they have access to outdoors. The only really good one is pasture raised, which means they spend the majority of their life outside. The legal definition depends where you are, but in my state the difference in sq.ft/bird is huge when comparing free range and pasture. Free range is 2 sq.ft/bird while pasture is 108 sq.ft/bird.
>>21760676yeah i know pasture is best, even when i tasted pasture eggs they tasted better. but i would still say a free range chicken has a much higher quality of life than a battery cage one, and saying they're both in pretty much the same conditions is wildly inaccurate.
>>21760681Meat chickens are not normally raised in battery cages. They're crammed in large buildings where they are kept on the ground. Laying chickens are raised in battery cages because it makes egg collection easier. California banned them, but still allow "cage free" eggs, which is 100% indoors with 1 sq.ft per bird.
>>21760639Crazy I can't taste research but I can taste meat
>>21760701willfully ignorant retard
>>21760703>vegans seething over meat eaters enjoying themselveslove to see it
>>21760714Why would a vegan tell someone to go try high quality, non factory farmed meat?
>>21760615There's no such thing as a "prey-predator relationship". One thing dies and one thing eats, but there's no special relationship between the two, no meaning to it at all. A wolf will eat berries and grass and a squirrel will hunt and kill voles. It's all just opportunism writ large. Not even the existence of obligate carnivores like cats and owls changes anything, because they're known to kill far in excess of what they eat, showing that they feel no "relationship" with their food at all.Getting your meat from the grocery store because it's easy and reliable is far closer to the way that nature operates. The only reason you feel the need to build a "relationship" with a single piece of meat is because of imaginary oughts and ideals, which no animal other than humans can have. Just think about it for a moment:>domesticating the animal>owning the animal as property>fencing in land for the animal>raising the animal as an investment>killing the animal with a tool>butchering the animal with tools>cooking the animal with tools and controlled heat>organizing all of the above as a coherent narrative>mentally reflecting on the narrative while you consume the animal>letting this one experience change the way you think about animal food for lifeNot a single thing here is the behavior of a "predator". Completely and utterly artificial. If you walked into a McDonald's and simply grabbed someone's delivery order from the counter and started eating it then and there, you would be more in tune with "nature" than any part of this cope-filled delusion of yours.
>>21760750What a cute dog.Can I pet that dog?I wanna pet that dog.
