Did you treat yourself, your friends or relatives to any expensive whiskies for the holidays? Or do you plan on doing so?For those of you who only drink bourbon and purchase many, many different bourbons, what keeps you interested in it? I like bourbon, but I don’t understand people who only drink bourbon and buy so many different bourbons. While I understand that there’s a decent amount of flavor variance between, say, a high rye bourbon and a wheated bourbon, and a decent amount of flavor variance between, say, a young bourbon and an older, cask-finished bourbon, the amount of flavor variance still pales in comparison to that which can be found in Scotch, and I just can’t fathom limiting myself to only bourbons.For the record, I like Scotch, bourbon, rye and Irish. I just like whisk(e)y.
>>21776446>Did you treat yourself, your friends or relatives to any expensive whiskies for the holidays? Or do you plan on doing so?This year i'm bringing out 2 Willetts for the holidays, though most of my family doesn't like whiskey so it's often only myself and 1 or 2 others sharing the drink.
>>21776446I plan on opening up an IB 16 yo Highland Park from Signatory, non chill filtered / natural color / 64.3% …. Can’t imagine this one not being a winner
I got knob creek 21 for my New Year’s party. Gonna give my dumb buddy beam and tell him he’s drinking the same stuff we are.
>>21776446>Did you treat yourself, your friends or relatives to any expensive whiskies for the holidays?Not specifically for the Holidays, but I found a bottle of Octomore 15.1 while in Mexico for $175 and picked that up.
>>21776446Yep, picked up knob 21
>>21776460would that glass spill if it tipped over?
>>21776722no, as long as you don't overfill it.
Arrived today.Left is 13 years in a first fill sherry butt, 65.4%, for $59.99.Right is single malt aged over five years in new charred American oak in hot Texas conditions then finished for 14 months in a Madeira cask. 65.3%.These should be interesting.
>>21776759is K&L the new WhiskyWorld? my local shop is slacking on scotch and prices are shit.
I never realized that you can order booze shipped to anywhere in the US, no fucks given for state laws. Pretty based.
>>21776900Is that really true tho the websites I use always list a bunch of states they don’t ship to and I always here people online bitching they can’t do it where they live
>>21776900>Just pay $35 extra for shipping
Just picked up the Glendronach Sauternes 14, and also the Sauternes 13. Fairly reasonable at around £1120 each although Im unlikely to ever drink them
>>21776900Lol it's not true, at least not through any legitimate source.Many states require a physical presence in the state to sell alcohol there, even if shipped. So there are sites like Seabach's that has partnered with local distributors in MOST states with those laws so they can ship there, but I don't think it's EVERY state currently, as I think a few states still dont allow hard liquor through the mail at all.
>>21776916Maybe not every state but certain stores based in CA will ship almost anywhere
>>21776938I always wondered why when I order from TWE in London my package first gets sent to some random importer in California before being shipped back East cross country to me in NYC.. must be some legal loophole
>>21776899I dunno what WhiskyWorld is but I've always been happy with K&L.>>21776921Usually around $15, and flat rate, meaning totally worth it if you split that flat rate over several bottles, not so worth it if you only order one bottle.>>21776900Yes I've read that too, that a lot of people from states where receiving booze via mail order isn't legal order it anyways, frequently, and never have issues.
>>21776446>Did you treat yourself, your friends or relatives to any expensive whiskies for the holidays? Or do you plan on doing so?Yup, just waiting for my bottles of Found North Snow Day to be delivered. I also got a Stagg store pick recently that I'm excited to open
>>21776929surely that's an extra 1, right?
>>21776759Ooh, so the sherried one is quite nice. On the sweeter/fruitier side of sherried Scotch, which I prefer to the drier, "meatier" side. Raisiny, boozy fruitcake. The itsiest, bitsiest, tiniest little sip, swished around the mouth, brings an explosion of dark dried fruit flavors. Not a hint of sulfur to be found here, which was my main concern when purchasing a $60 bottle of 13-year-old cask strength Scotch aged in a first-fill sherry butt.Quite lovely.
>>21777187>Le dark fruit>Itsy bitsy Lmao imagine being a scotch fag.
Disappointed, especially for the price, wanted more peat but was very smooth and light
>>21777294lmao fuck, forgot the pic
Imagine being a bourbon fag.>sweet, my 200th bottle that tastes like charred oak>other flavors are for faggots
>>21777324Very few scotches are worth the premium over bourbon or rye, I'm not paying extra for watered down colored swill from Diageo, Ardbeg 10 or Glenmorangie 14 once a year is reasonable, maybe I'll try Bunnahabhain next, scotch producers need to be less stingy with the proof and compete instead of just expanding to India where they can make shit as bad as they want since Patel and Shitdartha only drink scotch to flex for instagram.
might be my new favorite rye, very good rye spice, fruit and sweet mint taste followed by maple and dry oak finish.
>>21777446>scotch producers need to be less stingy with the proofWell I can't disagree with that.
Bourbon vs Scotchgo
Youse guys got any off the beaten path whiskey cocktail recipes eh?
>>21777544A cocktail I just invented call "somebody love me"6oz whiskey with half a can limoncello lacroix and probably 2oz of shitty maraschino cherry juiceShake it and drink it while punching anything you can get away with. Just say "fucking faggot" a bunch of times for no reason and keep punching
>>21777297yeah it's pretty different from Islay stuff, plus its sherried.
could someone post the two whiskey guides?alsoopinions on toki and hibiki?
>>21777658toki is a good alternative to mid priced blended scotch
>>21777666thanks for the answer and checked, lucky satan
>>21777669I would choose toki over johnnie walker anything
>>21777681I would choose Evan Williams Black Label over Johnnie Walker anything.
>>21777686same but excluding bourbon, toki is a great alternative to any blended scotch
>>21777686you mean this thing?because the flavour profile seems right up my alley and there's a sale so I could maybe buy it
>>21777705if you need a sale to buy evan williams just stock up
>>21777711I'm not gonna buy a whole bottle if I don't know it's goodif it's at least cheap I won't feel bad about mixing it or giving it away
>>21776729IMPERVIOUS TO THE CLUMSY DRUNK
>>21777542we call it /wg/
>>21777542Neither it’s overpriced sugar water for faggots Go be gay somewhere else this is a thread for queers to post the bottles they managed to fit in their ass and that’s it
>>21777888>Mom I posted it again!
I buy the cheapest whisky, then mix it with alcoholic cider and little bit of water, reduces the times I puke that day, but maximizes how drunk I can get
>>21777686>>21777681I like Johnnie as a daily driver... its like a lower bar so everything else gets me excited
>>21777554>. Just say "fucking faggot" a bunch of times for no reason and keep punchingThat actually doesn't sound half bad.
I just got screwed at the store. Wanted to see what all the hype was ano With sagamore so I bought a cask strength bottle. Normally i google a little for bottles I’m not familiar with but the guy working there was shooting the shit with me so I got distracted. Get home and realize it’s old mgp stock not the newer Maryland distillate. Mgp is so gay they bamboozled me again.
>>21778405Only the most recent batch of cask-strength rye is using their own juice, any batch before the most recent one is a blend of MGP and their own distillate. Their 9/10 year age stated bottles are also MGP.> t. maryland anon.
>>21778406Have you tried the mgp vs Maryland cask strength I read their own stuff is better now I’m aggravated.
Getting my first real taste of snow in a couple years feels appropriate to open up this KC7rye and go on a bender
>>21778405just call them and tell them theres been a mistake
>>21778449They're quite different, the maryland stuff I found more herbal/minty, so if that's your thing you might prefer it. I found it a bit much for me personally.
>>21777919Whiskey is gay and overpriced We must deflate this market
>>21778948Straight whisk(e)y will never be cheap.
>>21777705Yes, and it's not very good. It's quite watery.I'd still choose it over Johnnie Walker anything.
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>>21779112>Heaven HillMount Zion was already taken
I like whiskey
this some good whiskey right here
>>21777714evan williams is the cheapest bourbon you can drink that's not a cry for help
>>21779552I prefer ancient age. It's around the same price or slightly cheaper and tastes much better IMO
>>21779556i had the 10 star and it was awful
>>21779559Dunno I like it more than Evan but honestly, I'd rather just spend a bit more for some Wild Turkey 101. I get ancient age when I'm just looking to get drunk for very cheap. It tastes a bit bland to me but is inoffensive. I don't like the taste of Evan Williams at all.
>>21777658
>>21779581drinking rare breed tonight, this bottle has a very strong walnut taste for some reason
thanks>>21779573this one I remember>>21779581this one is new to meso there must be at least one other one
>>21779565when I was broke Evan Williams was a godsend at 20 a liter so I'm partial to it. Tried the AA 10 star because I heard it was "baby blantons" and it tasted like something you'd give to the homeless. nothing beats 101 for the price though.
JimBeam RyeThis year my fav
>>21776759So I had no idea what to expect from the Balcones and it's wonderful.Very oak-forward. The lack of corn sweetness allows the charred oak to shine in a way it wouldn't in a bourbon. You get the charred oak at first, with an almost BBQ meat note to it, then you get the uncharred oak from the Madeira cask after a couple seconds of swishing it around in the mouth.I really hate to use this word, but it's shockingly... smooth... for 65.3%. Not in the bland, flavorless way, as it's extremely flavorful, but more like, there's no sharp flavors and it's SO flavorful that the flavor somehow covers up the alcohol flavor and burn to a degree.The Madeira cask notes here are more on the nutty/chocolate/spicy side than the sweet fruits side. This is a dry but only slightly tannic whiskey despite being extremely oak-forward. For comparison, Woodford Reserve Double Oaked is a lot more tannic.This is quite good. This dram is disappearing rather quickly for 65.3%, which normally leaves me taking super tiny sips and giving my tongue time between sips to recover sensitivity.My second Balcones, the first being their bottled in bond Texas rye, which is now my favorite rye. I'm quite impressed with them. They're kind of like the Kavalan of the U.S., with their high-temperature aging producing extremely flavorful whiskies despite short aging periods.
>>21780044>BalconesDiageo slop
>>21780934>Diageo slopSchizo moment.
>>21780969He has been doing it for years.He'll call you a shill if you even try to say something nice about a diageo whisky.
>>21780981I know. I find fucking with retards to be amusing
I came back to Remus Repeal Reserve IX after letting it sit for a month or so after the initial neck pour and dang this is delicious. I highly recommend to all bourbon enjoyers. I've seen it sitting on shelves around me so I'll probably try to pick up another bottle sometime.
>>21778573I tried it last night and was surprised it was pretty good. Of course the cork breaks off in the bottle when I was opening it luckily I had a decanter sitting around.
>>21778405their MGP stuff is still pretty good though
>>21776446>Did you treat yourself, your friends or relatives to any expensive whiskies for the holidays? Or do you plan on doing so?I finally got my hands on a bottle of Stagg, and although I'm usually very generous with my sharing I'm gonna keep that to myself for now. I'll pick up an Elijah Craig barrel proof or Rare Breed to bring to the holidays though.
>>21780044What bottle did you get? I have heard a lot of bad stuff about them. A lot of complaints about raw ethanol and sulfur.
>>21781399Post you are replying to is replying to another post with a picture of the bottle purchased, obviously. It's a K&L exclusive.I've only had two of their whiskies and did not detect sulfur or raw ethanol in either. The distillery appeals to me because they focus on big, bold flavors. Let's just say I am not exactly a fan of Lowlands Scotches.
Tried Benriach 12, Ardbeg 10, Glendronach 12 and liked the 12s and not so much the 10, was a bit too neutral and boring for me. All copped <50eur, what do I get next?
>>21782298Try getting a bourbon so you can see what good whiskey tastes like.
>>21782358I've Knob Creek 7, Makers mark 42 and a Buffalo trace I haven't opened. And an Angels Envy I've finished. It's good, but I don't feel like paying le tariffs nor supporting the American economy when I have a perfectly good alternative next door :)
If any of you ever get into Calvados, I'll save you some time and money, the younger stuff is actually better. This is something I've just learned comparing two bottles from the same distillery, one younger and one older. The younger stuff is more flavorful.I am now ready for the Sora no Woto stream.
redpill me on bourbon cream
>>21782866Not bourbon, but Five Farms Irish Cream Liqueur is the best I've had
I need to try some cask strength scotch. I've had a few scotches that I mildly enjoyed, Glenmorangie La Santa, Glanmorangie 14, and Glendronach 12. HOWEVER, as a bourbon drinker this 90 proof pussy juice just doesn't satisfy me. The mouthfeel is like water and I feel like a faggot sipping on some lightly flavored drink made for women. I enjoy the flavors but I want them to be more prominent. Are there any good options usually available on US shelves or do I need to order from somewhere?
>>21783164Laphroaig Cask Strength for peated, Aberlour A'bunadh for unpeated.
>>21782866You add it to your coffee and drink it while you are getting ready for your night out
>>21779636>>21779565get early times BIB. it's going to be good until barton stocks start to get into it, and then it still might be good, but it's very good for the price right now
>>21776446Ardbeg
>>21777054I sincerely hope so, whiskey ain't wine.Wine can peak out in flavor at around $1000 value, the $10k shite is just rich people inflation, it's fuck you money "buy me the best one" that inflates $1000 to $10k so you can have "the best" as a flex.But flavor wise, full, rich, not nasty, sweet, not too sweet, real wine peaks at $1000 in value.Whiskey peaks around $500 for a bottle. How much fire, oak and raisin-barley/tobacco flavor do you need?
>>21783602for me its $500 scotch without the $400 branding attached(I still like some packaging albeit). I cant imagine paying $1k for wine and then need to finish it in a short period of time. I love a good cork, squeaky or not, but they are the biggest limitation for the bottles they belong to(unless it's made for Diageo).>>21783570the availability is pretty wishy washy
Would it be retarded to order a bottle of Octomore if I'm not sure if I really like peat? Remedy has the 15.1 for $130 (~$150 shipped) and I'm tempted. The only peated scotch I've had is Talisker 10.
>>21784109>I'm not sure if I really like peat?Like, I wouldn't bother for the most part if it's not your thing. You could immediately pick up some Ardbeg or Laphroaig to see if you really like the full blown staples, or try one at a bar or whatever. I'm not sure what you're impression of the Talisker was or why you're not super keen on it. I think it's nice, but I don't think it has close to as much flavor as the 'serious' Islays and so I rarely go for it. If Talisker simply didn't leave much impression on you, then I'd say go for the Octomore if you think you'd get something more out of it and you're OK with that. But if its the peat that actually turns you off, then keep your cash.
>>21784109>Would it be retarded to order a bottle of Octomore if I'm not sure if I really like peat?Yes.>The only peated scotch I've had is Talisker 10.It's significantly worse than most peated whiskies so it's not surprising you're not sure about peat right now.There are plenty of quality peated whiskies for much less than $130.
>>21776460All that shit for distilled wood
>>21784109Jesus, thanks for the heads up on this. Just got a bottle. Is Remedy usually pretty good with deals and shipping like this?
>>2178419>LaphroaigImagine paying 70 dollars for an 80 proof “whiskey”. Couldn’t be me.
Talisker 10 is always a dog whistle regardless of intention
>>21784457I ordered from remedy a couple weeks ago. I'm still waiting on most of my order (they ship from different stores in NY, CA, and TX), but the one bottle I received so far was in perfect shape and was very well packed inside a protective air thing that gets inflated around the bottle. So I'm not too worried about the other bottles arriving intact, but you never know when ordering shit.
>>21784613how bad is the shipping?
What’s the verdict on that new willett 4 purple top
>>21784627In terms of cost? I paid $38 to ship 4 bottles. And looking now to ship 1 bottle it's showing about $19. It's not cheap but compared to my local prices it's often cheaper with the shipping
>>21784704it was about $20 per bottle shipping from the UK pre de minimus ending when I bought 3 this time last year.
>>21784627I’ve never seen the 15.1 this cheap anywhere close to where I live. Instant purchase, especially since I consider it the best scotch I’ve ever had (I know, I need to try more scotch)
>>21777324Living in America its most cost efficient for quality. Can easily get something at cask strength with decent age for 60-90 when a lot of the times for scorch that’s just scratching the baseline 10-12 year offerings (and at 40-46 abv). Also outside of heaven hill and beam being tangibly close in profile, each legacy distillery does have discernible flavor profiles.Also don’t act like there aren’t huge sub camps in the scotch world of peatheads or sherrybomb fags who just chase one flavor profile too
>>21784631I'm on the lookout but still haven't found one yet. Apparently it's allocated in some places right now. The 4-year rye is a shelfer here (MI) so I'm sure we'll get it in the next couple months.
>>21784931This guy here. >>21776500I love scotch and I also thought the 15.1 was the best Scotch I've ever had.
Rare Breed has ruined whiskey for me. Nothing else I try comes close to being as good especially for only 47 dollars.
anyone here a drammers member?
>>21785767what's it like?
>>21785590>Living in America its most cost efficient for quality.I can't think of a bourbon better than Laphroaig 10 that I can get for $37 like I can get Laphroaig for at Costco, so no, not really.
>>21786085WT101 is better than every scotch and it’s 24 dollars.
bourbon shills having no shame this holiday season. your swill will rot on the shelves.
>>21785767any half decent russells pick is better than RB and it's right next to it on the shelf
>>21786471I prefer the flavor profile of wild turkey to Russel’s reserve. I have a bottle of the rrsb and it’s good but not nearly as good as rb. They need to release a 13 year rb like the rr version.
>>21786517the US market is lucky to get Rare Breed. most of the older Turkey goes to foreign markets. Russell's pick are now a hot commodity even though the good picks are maybe 10% of what gets commercially bottled.
>>21776759>>21780044On second pour, noticing a very slight raisiny note that I did not notice the first time around.
>>21786517>They need to release a 13 year rb like the rr version.Where do you think any of this whiskey comes from, lol. RB is, by definition, a blend of 6, 8 and 12 year whiskey from the same rickhouses as any of their other offerings. If it was 13 year age stated it just would be RR13. And no, they shouldn't divert older whiskey to make slightly better rare breed, they should restrict it away from rare breed and just save it to bring back 12/101 which kicks the living shit out of it
>>21786715They select barrels for Wild Turkey and Russels Reserve based on location in the rickhouse and the profile it produces. Russels Reserve gets whiskey that has a more modern bourbon flavor vs Wild Turkey which gets the barrels which have a classic Turkey profile.I want a 13-15 year barrel proof whiskey with the wild turkey profile that you can find once in a while on the shelves. Is that asking too much?
>>21786723you can believe all that, and jimmy russell himself might pick it blind but you wouldn't. 101 and RB taste different because they taste like young corn because they're majorly 6 year booze. if you like that it's fine, but RR gets picked from all over every floor of every rickhouse and if you think there's a massive, deliberate spread in profile going on between that the lesser younger stuff they dump into the shelfers i probably won't convince you otherwise i would challenge you to prove it to yourself some evening
>>21786723>Russels Reserve gets whiskey that has a more modern bourbon flavor vs Wild Turkey which gets the barrels which have a classic Turkey profile.oh and as for this, i have no idea how you came up with this one. a high floor camp nelson pick tastes way, way more like a 70s-90s bottle of 101 than any of their younger batched shit from the tyrone campus does. not terrifically similar, but you get your cherry, your citrus, your leather and other approximating notes, and very little of the cinnamon-nuttiness that came into WT when they switched stills in 2011. you can and should like whatever you like, but i can say the above with some level of objective observation as someone who is really into old wild turkey bottles and has drank a lot of it
>>21786728I've done a blind tasting with RB and RRSB and I could easily tell the difference. At least the RRSB bottle that I have doesn't have the spicy finish that RB has.
>>21786753yeah, and I'm mostly just suggesting that you're noticing 8 proof points and younger bourbon, not a carefully and intentionally constructed elixir
>>21786111WT101 *is* better than the majority of single malts even, but it's in turn very cleanly beaten by Ardbeg. Both Wild Turkey and Ardbeg are the for your money kings of their respective styles and have nothing below the price point of either that compares.
is it ok if i think glenmorangie is mid?
>>21787128Yes, absolutely. I'd say it's the most pointless of the 'basic' single malts. It's possible that there's some merit in the higher aged ones I haven't tried, but as far as I can tell I really don't care for what Glenmorangie is or does.
>>21787155i got to try their 25yr bottle at a tasting, it was ok. otherwise their normal stuff is just way too firey on the tongue compared to glenlivet
>>21786763Thats not what the Russell's have to say about it.
Glenmorangies whole gimmick is having the “tallest stills in Scotland” which produces a lighter / mellow spirit than everyone else. That tends not to appeal to me much either but I find in the summertime it sometimes hits the spot. I liked their 14 Quinta Ruben and 18 and have had my eye on trying the Signet for quite some time
>>21787180Glenlivet is a genuine example of something lowkey excellent. It's unusually satisfying to drink for something as light as it is, it just dances on your tongue in the way it does.
>When liquor store A sells a bottle for $50 more than liquor store B does a block awayHow do these people even stay in business?
>>21787230Covid whiskey buyers have more money than sense. If they see the tater bottle they will buy it regardless of price. I stop by the local liquor stores around once a week to check what new stuff they got in and I'll see overpriced meme bottles that are twice msrp bundled with crappy over msrp bottles the store couldn't sell gone by the next time I show up. Don't underestimate the stupidity of taters and the power of internet hype.
>>21787239it's not even highly sought after bottles. One had Penelope Rose for like $50 and the other had it for $75. Like, what?
>>21787242At least in my area the specialty bottles of penelope are in low supply. I was just at a shop that had Valencia for 100 and down the street the other place had it for 75. The owner said he sells the Valencia for 100 a pop as fast as he can sell them when I was talking to him.The people buying high priced bottles are mostly boomers who don't really know or care about price differences between shops they just see a bottle that is harder to find and buy it.
How do we feel about Widow Jane in here?I'm a big fan of their 10yr and their applewood rye personally. The babby jane was not that great, way too harsh for what just tasted like extra corny bourbon. I'd relegate it to the mixer shelf.
>>21787239I like Taylor it taste like a fig newton
>>21786085Laphroaig 10 is $60-70 bro on the east coast
>>21787406It's $37 at the DC costco location on the east coast.
>>21787422>DCCompletely doubt, DC prices are ass
>>21787425Well I live in DC, so you're wrong.It's like $45.99 with a $9 manufacturers (instant) rebate for the holiday
>>21787428Ok champ sure
>>21787406I'm in NJ and I can get Laphroaig 10 for $50. Used to be $40 but then the whiskey boom happened. Cask Strength version I can find for about $90 but its not widely available.
>>21787425Costco has a policy of not marking up name brand items more than 14 percent, so their prices are always competitive regardless of location.
Finally landed a Stagg must be my lucky day. Can't wait to crack this one with the bros.
Do you guys get drunk on whiskey? I like the taste but it always makes me feel sick if I drink too much in one sitting
Do people actually drink the super allocated bourbons like BTAC stuff and the limited release from JD or are those mostly for flipping?
local supermarket has laphroiag 10 for 30€, should I buy?
>>21787938It's a decent price for a staple islay expression.If you dont like it, you probably don't enjoy most Islay whisky.
>>21787192Oh god that's rich. let me repeat what i started with at the very beginning:>you can believe all that,Eddie is a great master distiller, but he's still a senior employee of campari. You can see from the very last paragraph, they're just creating a pure baseline average from across the entire baseline maturation cycle. Their gen-pop dump into 101 and RB is not selective, it's just an absence of selection and it will exemplify whatever they distilled 6 years prior. >maintained the(...) flavor profile that Jimmy learned from his mentor, Bill Hughesall you have to do is taste any of these made before 2011 to understand that this is bullshit. seriously, i love those guys but it's pure bullshit, and self evidently so based on the facts above
>>21787878>Do you guys get drunk on whiskey?No, I almost never drink more than one dram per night.I will rarely have two if I want to go to sleep a little earlier than normal and want that little extra push towards sleep.
>>21787878I mean sometimes I'll buy some Jack or Beam and get drunk on whiskey and cokes or something, but the better stuff I just have one pour a few times a week.
>>21788256>>21788294You can't truly say you've lived until you've spent the night with nothing but half a bottle of Uigeadail to drink (and some hydration).
>>21788335I haven't gotten drunk in many years.Back when I used to like getting drunk at home while watching sports, I'd mix the cheapest (~$10) plastic handle of vodka with powdered drink mix and lemon juice. It worked. Very well.
richfag hereopen to making a new whisky meme image or revising an old one, give me ideas
>>21788347Make a meme about the diageo schizo.
>>21788347Take a photo of yourself with a pistol in your mouth. There can be a bottle of whisky in the background or whatever
>>21788351I already put an easter egg in the original scotch guide, any more just feels cruelopen to doing international whisky.>>21788355very silly post anon, that barely has anything to do with whisky!
>>21788011You are coping. It's easy to tell the difference between Russells and WT they have different flavor profiles that go beyond aging or proof. Eddie himself says they hand pick barrels for both WT and RR to get the right flavor profile.
>>21788385Thanks for just repeating everything I replied to and explained in detail without adding anything. It's just a larger shittier batch of anything picked for RR and then Eddie lies about it and says it's special and intentional for marketing. Batching up literally "the other 80% of our stock" isn't a specific profile, it's just the same whiskey with too few interesting notes to go into the barrel program. You can tell this by buying export WT12 and seeing for yourself how much more like a good Russell's pick it is than young, nutty 101 or RB.The whole other statement about it being "closer to old wild turkey" in profile which you rightfully dropped shows how unserious their marketing testimony is when it comes to 101.
>>21784613If anyone cares I received the rest of my Remedy order and it was perfect and very well packed. I will probably order from them again. I've already been tempted to submit another order for a bunch of random shit that I can't find locally, but I have enough whiskey for a while.
>>21789382Thanks for the update. My remedy order shipped two days after I placed it, and says it will get here on Tuesday. I’ll also post once it gets here.Yeah, this potentially changes the game- some of their discounts are crazy and, even with shipping, comes out WAY cheaper than buying it in stores here. And tons of shit they have isn’t available where I am. Fuck…
How slow is “too slow” to finish a bottle after opening? How long does it take for the air inside an opened bottle to start fucking with flavors? 1 year? 2? 5?
>>21789409Shit doesn’t matter in my experience unless the bottle is 80% empty
>>21789409At 80% full 7-9 years At 60% full 4 years 40% 3 years 20% a few months 0% crack a new one It’s about the proportion of air to liquid
>>21789382>>21789406do they use ups?
>>21789465No my order was fedex for both shipments. Which kind of sucks because FedEx drivers have to scan your id to verify age, while when ups delivered booze to me I just had to sign.
>>21776759This was supposed to be part of this order, but they originally sent me the regular Sanaig despite me paying for the Cask Strength.This was resolved today, as I received the Cask Strength today along with a return label to send the regular Sanaig back.Tonight will be a good night.
>>21789471Haha last time I had FedEx deliver me booze they just left it on my doorstep and didn't even bother to ring the doorbell or knock.Yes, I complained. That shit could have gotten stolen. I avoid FedEx now.
>>21789409Just use wine saver gas, it just works.
>>21789498ups and fedex have delivered both bourbon and ammo to my house and they just leave it on my doorstep. However, my neighbors aren't brown so its fine.
>>21789521I would not have complained if they at least rang the doorbell or knocked to let me know the fucking package was there.
>>21789493Nice. I’ve been wanting to get the cask strength of machir bay for awhile now. I bet yours is delicious too
>>21789409It’s called- finish the fucking bottle in one night after opening like how the true Scots do it
>>21789594Don’t be gay.
>>21789740I won’t- I finish my bottle in one night
>>21789594>>21789751When you are drinking 80 proof "whiskey" I would need two bottles to actually feel anything.
This gimmick is just a step away from those dudes down in Brazil or Mexico or wherever it is that fill their cups up directly from the pump at the gas station
Jefferson's Reserve Cask Strength is confirmed good as fuck. I feel like a boomer hoarding blantons, after I tried a pour I immediately went out and bought two more backup bottles.
>>21789887>blandtons>jefferson>back up bottle of shelfers Tater confirmed
>>21789493Oof. A peat monster. Absolutely reeks of peat from several feet away in my Glencairn.Unsurprisingly, similar to Uigeadail. Both are high ABV, sherried peat monsters, and they're quite similar.This is a bit meatier than Uigeadail. There's definitely a BBQ meat flavor to it which I'm quite partial to. Not quite to the degree of my favorite whiskey of all-time, the now defunct Lost Spirits' incredible Abomination: Sayers of the Law, which was basically burnt ends in whiskey form, but still quite meaty.Dark as FUCK. Impressive darkness for a non-colored, NAS whisky.Pretty dry. Not a lot of sweet/fruit notes that you might expect from the Oloroso hogsheads.Not an elegant, subtle whisky. A thick, full-bodied, punch-you-in-the-mouth-with-flavor BBQ peat monster. Very fun. I prefer my whiskies on the bold, brash side and this fits my tastes nicely.
>>21789893Yes it's a shelfer but it's limited and I don't think I'll mind still having a bottle to enjoy in a year or two when it probably won't be available anymore. But it is silly to buy backups since there will generally always be good bourbon and whiskey to buy, especially now that supply is high and demand is dropping. Maybe I'll store away one of these bottles in the bottom of a box to forget about until someone finds it when I'm dead someday.
>>21789979Fuck, thanks for the write up, can’t wait to try it sometime. I absolutely love the regular Sanaig and honestly anything I’ve ever tried from Kilchoman, so I’ll definitely keep an eye out for this. Glad to hear the sherry doesn’t completely overtake it.
>>21789995>Glad to hear the sherry doesn’t completely overtake it.Yeah it's just adding that meatiness to it rather than, say, Glendronach-like sweet dark fruit notes.It's absolutely a peat monster first and foremost. You will like it if you like Uigeadail.It's pairing quite well with dark chocolate right now, but then again every whisk(e)y does haha.
not recommend
this is good
>>21790129That is quite dark.What is wrong with it? Other than assuredly being comically overpriced by virtue of being Nipponese?
>>21790192>What is wrong with it? Other than assuredly being comically overpriced by virtue of being Nipponese?Anime website.
>>21789988protip. if it runs out, blend redemption 10yr and elijah craig barrel proof together 50/50 to make this because that's 99% probably what jeffersons is doing. and i'd agree it's pretty tasty
>>21790137Yeah, i used to buy it when it was under $200/bottle, it was great then.These days I simply can't justify the price.
Lot of talk about wild turkey here lately and not a lot of action, so I'm going to sacrifice my liver and do a little run-through of what the fuck is going on with it between sub-brands and over time.We have: current 101/12, current rare breed, current 101, 03RB rare breed, faux split 2000s 101 12, and a 2017 CNA russells pick>101/12: mostly solid modern turkey with citrus devoid of grainy notes, some blackberry and peppercorn on the back. extremely hard to spot tobacco, nothing exceptional but no flaws eithercurrent rare breed: fucked up comparison because it's normally okay, but comparatively corn and walnut. could be elijah craig barrel proof easily (doesnt come off like this normally but its following a 12). has a little bit of the citrus fruit on the nose but it doesnt make it onto the tonguemodern 101: the same but less fruity vapor to give you a nose (again, i drink this devoid of context and like it fine and feel like this is an unfair act to follow)>03 RB: Maple syrup, honey, a little bit of citrus. Palate is burnt sugar with the nose hanging around, something dark like stewed plums and some of that blackberry there.WT12 y2k: Funky syrup. Fruit roll up. Garage funk. Something savory and meaty. similar to 03 but rank sort of. the blackberry is there but playing second fiddle to a bunch of fermented jungle sugar>17 RR pick CNA: just straight up minty blackberry, peppers, with sour citrus. really focused just on this shit all the way through. little bit of the syrup feel but it's all spicy fruit with a laser focusanyway there you go
>>21790274finally someone bottleposting! nice bird collection. if I had that glass on the right I'd never use another. mad jelly. also this should be a wakeup call for them because the nü101 is so gay looking. no way it's cheaper to have that turkey design than something like the old days. not every brand needs to be luxury even though liquor is a luxury.
>>21790274very nice anon, I've never had one of those old WTs but I've heard they're excellent
Jim beam shutting production at 1 of 3 distilling locations to renovate the facility (but also as a way to curb production for a few years)
>>21790689I saw that too. It's just the main Claremont plant and they're still doing bottling and warehousing so I guess they're just not making any new distillate?
>>21790693Booker Noe Plant is expected to become the primary distillery taking up the slack in the next few years. It's already an industrial distillery pumping out white label. They have a 3rd location (Fred B. Noe Distillery) but it's meant for producing small batch stuff, not large industrial batches.
>>21790274Very nice collection I’m jealous … but you’re still wrong about barrel selection at wt.
>>21790192it drinks like a $30 whisky with a gimmick of tasting more like sherry than whiskyi like it but it's like $200+. my brother didn't like it at all but figured it would make a good base for a sauce. or it probably pairs well with some japanese food, but it's not complex and not much of a texture/mouthfeel to it which are things i expect at these prices
Grabbed this for Christmas Eve. I hope it's not over oaked but reviews seem good.
>>21790929i had the 18 and it was over oaked for me, never had the 21.
>>21790924>not much of a texture/mouthfeel to it which... i expect...at 42%?
>over oakedThis is not a thing that exists outside of excessive astringency.
>>21790440>>21790682thanks bros. oh that glass was a giveaway from a beer tasting festival lol. it works pretty good though, probably better than a glen. Yeah I definitely agree about the bottles. Coca Cola really has the right idea: if your whole market presence is about appealing to your ancient history and place in americana, why not just ride your old packaging forever? That blurry 8/101 in the back is honestly perfect and would really stick out on a shelf. I don't get it either. >>21790757thanks man. look, i'm not trying to say you're stupid for liking rare breed - I do too, but you're reposting their own statement of intent, which i acknowledged. you just believe it and i don't. the fact that dumping the vast majority of your 6-7 year stock every year isn't a selective ship you can steer intentionally is a mathematical fact and no one can be right or wrong about it. If you think that 4th and 5th flavor profile i listed is something very intentional from them that they really do prefer compared to its neighbors in my post, you can have that opinion and believe them of course. i can only insist that i was not lying about the description. cheers.
>>21790995you can get a good mouth feel from lower proof liquor, as long as they used a low barrel entry proof, rode the proof all the way down in a humid, cool warehouse, and then served it undiluted at that proof. people associate a great mouthfeel with high proof whiskey because low proof whiskey is diluted in the vast majority of cases. i have no idea whether that one is the former or latter, but i'm just saying, alcohol is actually less dense than water.
Drinking this on the rocks rnCame out to 69.69(nice)Pretty gud
>>21791552>86 proof>Watering it down with iceDo scotch fags really?
>>21791552>on the rockslmao
>>21791552>delicate
>>21790995yes retard
>>21791078>>21791721Let's be real here.Yes, there are some exceptions. A notable one is Redbreast 12, where the standard, 40% ABV version actually somehow has a better mouthfeel than the cask strength version. It has that wonderful, creamy/oily mouthfeel, even though it is diluted.That being said, the vast majority of low ABV whiskies have shitty, thin mouthfeels, so I'm going to expect a shitty, thin mouthfeel out of a 43% whiskey and be pleasantly surprised if the mouthfeel is not shitty and thin.
>>21791552what did you censor, personalization/reflection?
>>21791731I'm the longposter, and yes, 99% of the time it's not an artful barrel proof driven down to 42% and bottled. I'm just explaining the mechanics and the 1% exception
>>21789979OK, this actually changes dramatically from the neck pour to the second pour. I've never actually had a whisky change this much from the first to second pour before.It's still very much peat bomb first sherry second, but the sherry comes through quite a bit more on the second pour.Very interesting.
>>21791834I'll add that I've read/seen some reviews of this criticizing it for being too one-dimensional. I'm very sure they were reviewing the neck pour. The second pour is quite a bit more multi-dimensional.Still an absolute peat monster.
>>21791836Also, I would not call the second pour of this Uigeadail-like.The neck pour, absolutely. That could have fooled me as being Uigeadail in a blind test.
Aight, so since people seemed to enjoy the wild turkey one a little, I'm going to do another modern day sacred cow investigation. /ck/ largely isn't taken in by this one, but I was curious about this at one point and it's the big one, so let's have a look at it. It goes like this:>Pappy Van Winkle ran his Stitzel-Weller facility for the majority of the 20th century, and then some stuff happened and that distillery closed in 1992. But presto-change-o the Van Winkle family absolutely trusts Buffao Trace to be the carriers of that legacy into the future, because we've studied their recipe down to the most minute detail and craft our bourbon to be 100% the same as what they made in the 1900s. And the bottles than Le Grey Haired Have A Negroni Have Two Man sampled in the early 2000s that came from the Stitzel Weller facility and not us (which started the entirety of the pre-coof bourbon craze) are exactly like what we make at Buffalo Trace now!But is that true? Let's find out. I had a 1965 airport shooter of Fitz Bib that I really wanted to open, and a 78 Fitz Prime that I have to kill, so fuck it here we go.>1965 BiB: Made in '59 when Pappy himself was still running the place. Fun fact, the guy wasn't a distiller. He was a pre-prohibition salesman who stacked enough money away to open his own distillery, and after that happened with the Stitzel Weller distillery, he focused on the business, having never truly been trained in manufacturing the product. That said, this thing is classic bourbon-bourbon. Very deep oak, pipe tobacco, burnt sweets. It has a lot of old book smell and there's a reason for that. Over time, vanillins break down into benzaldahyde which is the basis for old book smell as opposed to vanilla-ish new book smell. Some of that is its aged quality, and some of that honestly probably happened as a result of bottle conditioning over the course of 60 years. But there's a slight mint and stewy blueberry pie. 1/2
>>21791892How can I get old bottles of WT 101 and how much will it cost me?
>>21791892Old fitz prime 1978: Some funky buttery butterscotch as a result of diacetyl. This is common with 20th century bourbons because a lot of them would rush their mash into production as a result of not wanting it spoiling due to a lack of modern sanitation procedures. It's a very long lived chemical and comes through here, but to a lesser extent than it does for National Distillers Old Grand Dad products. It's delicious, just providing background. There's more mint in this one. More normal oak. It's more modern and would be less weird to a normal modern drinker than the 65. A little bit of fruit, but again, tobacco, sugar, and that mint>1992 BiB: The swan song, since the place closed that year. Here we go, since this thing is pretty much like it was on the shelf at its date of purchase. Sugar, vanilla, tobacco, with some spearmint gum and leather. I really like this, but it's, again, bourbon drinker's bourbon without flaws or any wacky attributes except the mint thing. It's just what someone would make if you told a genie to make a "perfect normal bourbon". >SR: BRIGHT oranges and some cherries. a little grain but it's not bad, but it's like watching spongebob after requiem for a dream. citrus, mild cherry. a bunch of fucking happy fruit in the place of what i just described. light because it's a modern 90 proofer12yr: a little bit of the old book i just described because it's older. but again, oranges and cherries. no mint, a little leather and some solid oak, but holy fuck not the same>full proof barrel pick: This is good whiskey, but we're back to a strong, very solid version of the citrus and stone fruit. There's a lot of good stuff here, especially the thick mouthfeel and all that cherry and tangerine or whatever, but you get the idea.So, what happened. Most people associate Buffalo Trace's Weller lineup with "wheated bourbon flavor" meaning they now expect all wheated bourbon to taste like cherry-orange bright, soft liquor. Stitz doesnt have that.
40% rofl imagine drinking cognac and expecting any notes besides water
>>21791912Brandy is gay no matter what you call it or how much you pay for it.
>>21791910>LIGHTNING ROUNDWe take another taste of the 1992 and check in on a 10yr7m OESK pick. This was a hunch, and there could be closer things in the world, but damn it's a hell of a lot closer to the Stitzel than buffalo trace is. Basically great tobacco, leather, sugar, vanilla with a tiny bit of varnish due to the age. Doesn't quite have the unique mint thing going, but I thought I remembered Four Roses actually being pretty fucking similar and yeah, not too bad as a match. Of course it's ryed and not even a wheated bourbon, go figure.>what the fuck is "Fairfield"? Glad you asked. So back in the 90s when buzz about the Van Winkle brand was starting to get going, a lot of people remember this as being the best time period for it. There was a batch of bourbon at one point made by Old Boone Meadowlawn in the 70s. It was bought by Wild Turkey who were going through a crunch in the late 80s/early 90s as they got ready to release some new brands and their sales were climbing. Eventually, they released these Old Boone barrels because the profile didn't match up anyway, and the Van Winkle bought it pre-Buffalo-Trace and released it because they liked it and it characterized their 1990s stuff. Whoa, more varnish. Some stewed spicy tomatoes almost bordering on that minty flavor. The mouthfeel is shit because it's 86 and charcoal filtered but you can see how it bridged the gap. It's all those sweets and almost like jambalaya. I bet when they bottled this as Pappy 20 at a higher proof, it really was good as hell.This concludes my exploration of the Weller thing, hope you liked it. I was already drinking before this and I am pretty fucked up now, merry christmas
>>21791898How old do you want? If it's 90s straight facing bird with the old label and it's in the 200s, you would buy it. It's bad man, and if I could find one cheaper I'd sure be grabbing it myself lol. You're going to need to find it online since the days of Indiana Jonesing around stores and estate sales is sadly over though it was good while it lasted, but good luck out there man. I'll try not to take yours
