I had a Spätburgunder from Rheinhessen last night. 'twas tasty. I'm not aging anything new at this time.

we’re so back

>drinking
2020 stag's leap artemis, subject to the fires like everyone else in Napa that vintage.
>aging
A lot of italian and californian right now. the 04 and 06 Brunelli along with some early 2010s Cult Cali labels I intend on opening in the coming months.

>>21780653
>recommend holiday wines
I can recommend Madeira. Lots and lots of really good stuff out there that's amazing if you're doing heavy or sweet food.

2023 Pieropan Soave Classico tonight

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My Sunday auction winnings :)

>>21780905
>I can recommend Madeira
gibs recs

volcano wine > mountain wine > coastal wine > swamp wine

>>21781478
damn not a single good drink

>>21782086
noooo really? it's all stuff I know very little about and wanted to branch out :/

>>21781478
The Grechello should be fire.

>>21781529
nta but I like Henriques & Henriques and Barbeito. Rare Wine Co.'s collabs with the latter are neato
>>21782553
branching out is always a good thing. the Rahn and Riehen wines are good, I'd be very curious about the Closson Chase and the Monochrome...I should pick up some of those Rahns on wb while they're around
that said my wine storage has several cases of "branching out" buys that are probably way past their prime now lol

unoaked russian river valley chardonnay tonight

>>21782910
the Monochrome was good, I liked their Vermentino/Picpoul blend so I'm excited about their Malvasia that's getting a lot of hype

>>21782041
What about desert wine?

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>>21780762

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>>21780653
Is Sake wine?

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Just some basic weekday wine for now before the festives begin. Probably something fancier like Torres Sangre De Toro and 2U Duas Uvas over the holidays.

>>21784054
technically it isn't, sake is its own pretty unique thing that uses mold as part of the fermentation process. but it's been marketed as rice wine in the west so yeah

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I want to gift my boss a nice bottle of wine for Xmas. he is the ceo of my company and I am the cfo.

/ck/ helped me with a bottle of chateau lafite (pic related) earlier this year for a wedding.

what does /vin/ recommend? Margaux? Mouton? Latour?

>>21784443
I ended up buying a 2018 Chateau Haut-Ɓrion

>>21784498
it's a good wine, but won't be ready to drink for 10 more years
Ch Margaux 2019 is one of the best I've had young
if you're gonna drop that kind of coin and anticipate him drinking it rather than aging it the requisite 20-30 years, the 1990 Montrose is drinking perfectly right now

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>>21784512
I asked about Margaux and he only had 2020 in stock and nothing along the likes of a 90 Montrose.

he did say they had a 92 Mouton but the label was badly damaged and was hesitant to recommend

please accept this kitty cat picture as a token of my application

>>21784443
something with age, in a good vintage

>>21784443
get him a barolo, the 15s 13s are entering their drinking window now. don't buy 2014.

Vino di Nobile di Montepulciano tonight

>>21784443
get him some good bubz, unless he's a weirdo who doesn't like champagne. cristal, salon, krug, pol roger winston churchill, pierre peters, rodez. I don't fuck with gifting anything but champagne anymore unless I'm familiar with their taste in wine, and even then I'll probably do champers anyway
>>21784512
haven't had it yet but according to ct notes it sounds like it may be approachable now even though it's infanticide. but there aren't any notes from cailles or teddy ong yet, and those are two of my go-to reviewers of bdx there and in general. what would really suck is if it's entered a dumb phase where it refuses to show...this is why I like gifting good champagne, it's a no brainer. yeah you could get into a discussion about when it's best to open it up but nobody's going to hate it at any given time, so it's almost a given that whoever I give it to will enjoy it
>>21784652
92 was a trash year for bdx. cute kot

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>Christmas wine recommendations
Bought 3 bottles from lidl:
Chateauneuf du Pape €14
Chiati Riserva €11
Valpolicella Ripasso €11

>>21784941
Crazy that you can get even sloppa CdP for €14. Are you German?

I'm going to go ahead and be a pleb, but I figure I might as well be one here.

Best boxed wines? I like dry wine but a lot of boxed wines are too sweet. When you guys are in the slums, what do you resort to?

>>21784192
Very informative, thanks anon.

Cremant de Savoie tonight

>>21785319
np...oh, and one other big difference is that sake doesn't benefit from aging at all. It's generally meant to be consumed within a year. It doesn't become unsafe or anything after a year, but it might not have the flavor it's supposed to

Unfortunately i don't have access to spaniard/italian/portuguese cheap wines, i suffer

>>21786845
australia or west coast usa?

>>21786751
Cheers, I'll remember that!

I've got an unopened bottle I've been keeping in the fridge is this doing it right or a bit retarded?

>>21787103
Try to drink it sooner rather than later. Once opened, you have about 2 weeks before it starts oxidizing. Keeping it in the fridge was good, lack of light and cool temperature really slows down the rate of oxidation. Once you open it you'll know right away by the smell if it's worth drinking.

What bottle do you have anyways? If it's some low-tier futsushu then it was going to taste like crap regardless. But if it's something like a good ginjo or daiginjo you may lose some of those delicate floral notes by waiting. Or if it's a namazake (unpasteurized) then it might be even more oxidized than originally though - but either way give it a taste before you decide to keep or chuck it

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Mini haul

>>21784105
>tetra pak wine
huh

>>21786845
australia or caucasus

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>>21787184
Noted!

Not sure if it's any good or not, hoping you could shed a bit of light on that?

Jura too damn expensive

>>21789184
Indeed
That said I am going to order some. Have any recs on vin jaune or otherwise "regular" savignin or pulsard?

>>21788638
That's a ginjo sake, meaning the rice was polished to at least 60% of its size (exposing a more pure starch core, making a cleaner and more floral/delicate product). It also was finished with some distilled spirit to bring out more aromas.

Ginjos are a respectable premium category and are known for being light, floral, and very slightly fruity. They should only be served chilled (around 50F, not too cold or the flavors will be too muted). I find sake is more aroma than flavor so try to get a little sniff in when you go take another sip. I can see the bottle date of some time in 2024, so its definitely close to the end of its freshness. It's very good with food too, lighter fare like chicken or fish would be great

>>21789255
Trousseau

>>21789255
>vin jaune
Chateau Chalon is the "grand cru" area for that style. Macle, Berthet-Bondet, Tissot are good producers from that appellation, I'm sure there are lots of others. Try to find something with good age on it.

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Patty Green tonight

>>21789762
nice

>>21789255
2023 Domaine Désiré Petit Arbois "La Bidode"
2019 Domaine Courbet Côtes du Jura Tradition

Mendocino Chenin Blanc tonight

>>21781478
It’s arrived!

>>21785296
>When you guys are in the slums, what do you resort to?
Chilean wine

what're our thoughts on english bubbles? on paper i hate the price but love the technicals.

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this was breddy gud

>>21790420
if you let it sit in a decanter long enough doesn’t it become too warm? or do you just drink room temp at that point? considering its age I doubt it was that long, but in general

>>21790608
You can drink claret at room temp

Albariño time

>>21790792
yeah i mean wines in general
I'll sometimes put the decanter in an ice bucket near the end of the process to cool it back down but was wondering what other people did

Cote Rotie for me

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>>21780653
2023 tonight

>>21781478
Closson Chase should be pretty good. Their chard is excellent.

Herman's Story Bolt Cutter this evening.

Jansz Tasmanian sparkler

2017 Catelletto Langhe

2019 Juliénas

>>21791934
Julienas is my favorite cru.
Jealous

Nahe Riesling right now

>>21792894
Haven't seen one of those in a long time.

>>21793794
You’re missing out :P

>>21790245
>price
yeah that's my problem with not-champagne sparkling wine that wants champagne prices. hard to justify. and unfortunately what little I've had from england, like a bottle of sugrue I opened last year to much disappointment, was flawed in some way

>>21789184
It didn't used to be :(

Got this Dr Loosen Chardonnay. It's okay. His Pinot from this better.

Priorat tonight

how do we feel about sherry? what about dry sherry?

>>21795352
I love a sherry. Favorite is a PX but I really enjoyed a dry Oloroso I had last week

>>21795407
bought a bottle of lustau papirusa on a whim. my concern is that theres just two of us and the internet says a bottle of dry sherry should be finished in a day.

>>21780697
From what? Why do you post that? It's stupid.

>>21795419
They're just fear-mongering. Light sherry like fino, manzanilla or amontillado can keep for a couple weeks in the fridge before it starts to oxidize. Since it's fortified it does have extra longevity compared to regular wine

>>21795434
Back from the thread being dead for about a week
I posted it from a sense of jubilation
You’re stupid

Fevre Chablis

>>21796003
Vintage?

>>21796069
2023 it's okay. I think cheaper producers are better value for similar product.

>>21795823
yeah we just tried it. it's a tough sip. I feel like the foods you are supposed to serve it with really only help make it tolerable because it just tastes like salt water. I like a dry white but this is just strange.

2017 Foxen Syrah

about to open some nice shit today

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>>21797166
bussin out champaign's poorfag cousin

>>21797166
Like what?

>>21797260
not sure yet, I bought crab legs, scallops and potatoes so definitely white. thinking about a 2021 Paul Lato Sauvignon Blanc Grimm's Bluff but I got some Derthona, Grechello, Godello, a Gadais Muscadet but I can't remember if it's their big dick label or the cheapy. Tomorrow is the Saxum and Brunello.

>>21797430
after checking the cellar it's the cheapy, but I did notice fiano and frascati too, we got options.

>>21791809
It was solid, a bit smokey for me.

>>21797438
based I’m crackin some $20 fiano today or tomorrow (donnachiara empatia). Also got some $30 valpolicella ripasso so which is for christmas eve vs christmas depends on what we’re eating either night

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Will have this wehlener sonnenheur spatlese tonight
>>21797430
Muscadet would be good

>>21796370
Did you serve it chilled? It's supposed to be very delicate and refreshing. But it could also just be bit your cup of tea - there's a reason sherry fell out of favor and didn't make a resurgence like port did.

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I'm still enjoying Bojo Crus

>>21797511
Is this bottle good? I've seen it a few times but thought it was kinda pricey. When I get other crus for like 10 cheaper

>>21797522
I'll let you know when I have it tonight. My wine shop just got it in and recommended it to be cause they know i like those kinds of wines. I've been really enjoying Hoppenot Fleurie Origines which is like $13 cheaper, but it's Christmas and wanted to treat myself (and I'm a sucker for whimsical labels)

>>21797535
Ya it's a cute label and from a good Cru so should be good. But was hard for me to justify the price (and now it's all out oh well)

What pairs with cassoulet?

I just started getting into wines and picked these up as a place to start. They’re all under $20/bottle, most are under $15

Whites
* Governors Bay Sauvignon Blanc
* Buttercream Chardonnay
* Albino Armani Pinot Grigio
* Borrasca Brut Cava
* Kung Fu Girl Riesling
Reds
* Caliveda Pinot Noir
* Eccentric Malbec Bourbon Barrel
* St. Giorgio Super Tuscan
* Carmen Gran Reserva Cabernet Sauvignon
Rosé / Extra
* Olema Rosé – Côtes de Provence

>>21797954
The kung fu Riesling is good, too sweet for me, but good.

>>21797959
Of all the whites I tried I enjoyed it the most. It’s very acidic and tart so it’s probably good with any kind of soft cheese or fatty poultry.
The super Tuscan Italian blend was also really well balanced. I wouldn’t say it was my favorite per se but it was very easy to drink and I can see it having mass appeal.
I picked up 2 bottles of each to bring with for Christmas tomorrow.
I hated the cava. I’m just not into sparkling wine I guess.

>>21797974
Eh I wouldn’t swear off bubbles because you had a shitty cava.

>>21798000
Valid. That tier is better used for mixing like with mimosas or a spritz

>>21798009
North of $30 is where cava usually stops smelling like something other than bike tires, at least in my experience.

>>21798034
*starts smelling like something other than bike tires

>>21797544
Just finished it. It was good, but i think i fucked up by serving it too warm; the acidity was running a bit too high. This producer is very big on traditional fermentation and more Burgundian-style Bojos, so while this was carbonic maceration it drank more like a Savigny-les-Beaune. Which I get the appeal of, but i drink Bojo cause I like them - if I wanted a Burg I'd drink a Burg.

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>>21797472
Update: this is fire

>>21798148
>serving it too warm; the acidity was running a bit too high
isn’t acidity more pronounced when cold?

>>21798281
did you give some to the dog?

>>21798308
He got some king crab

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>>21798310
based

I pretty much just use madiera or sherry in my cooking. Figure it's the sugariest of the red and white. Any reason why I'm missing out on using anything else (I don't know too much about wine)?

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after spending lots of money on extremely expensive chateauneuf du papes I can say that categorically 95% of them are bad, too high alcohol, too jammy, and lacking in freshness
it's like a little shrine to Robert Parker where everything is high octane at the expense of balance

>>21798324
I mean you should definitely try cooking with bone dry sherry and traditional method (what they use to make champagne vinegar). Screaming acidity, really unique savory flavors that develop in the cooking process. Also dry reds in general have a lot of range when it comes to cooking, Beef Bourgogne, beef Bordeaux, beef Barolo and beef Barossa are each to their own.

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Speaking of dessert wines.

>>21798299
Yeah, I didn't realize how acidic it was so the warmer temp made the acidity compound with the ethanol burn and gave it a little harshness

>>21798420
nta but those wines are definitely austere, all the rich abuelos sip that shit in the baking sun when they golf

/Vino/ hates Cru Bojo but it's actually the bomb

>>21798436
you mean us? I feel like this thread generally is excited about it
In fact I think basically everyone who drinks it is shocked by how good it is at the price except turbo boomers

>>21798543
>Boomers so retarded they hear Bojo and instantly think of Nouveau and how bad it is
>Even more retarded because they're the only idiots buying the Nouveau every year
I can't wait for them to die, hopefully they'll take Mondavi and Barefoot with them

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I'm not really a wine drinker but my parents are. For Christmas, I got them:

>2012 Marques de Murrieta Castillo Ygay Gran Reserva Especial (Tempranillo, Rioja)
>2009 Chateau Pichon-Longueville Baron (Bordeaux, Pauillac)

Good? Bad?

>>21791809
They’re not even a top 5 producer in PEC much less Canada.
>Last House
>Hubbs Creek
>Norman Hardie (he is a sexpest but he still does good shit)
>Trail Estate
>Stoss Lee
>Keint-He
all make better Pinot than Closson Chase who sell their souls to dumb rich white women in limos.

>>21798796
I work at a bottle shop, millennials are keeping barefoot alive too

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Still figuring out Xmas wines to share with family. Had this a night ago at a Christmas party and it was insanely good. Garnacha Tintorera/Alicante Bouschet from Bierzo done with no sulphur. VA was very well controlled and had tons of pickled plums, fresh ginger and new leather. God I love Spanish natty shit even if the label is slightly Satanic.
>>21798826
Considering they’re boomers who probably drink boomer wine exclusively, you did good.

Nah fuck croo bowjolay

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>>21798836
Shit wrong picture. The Lapierre Cuvée Camille was good too and still better bang for buck than most Foillard bottles.

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>>21798826
Yes its good, they have exactly my taste
WINE OF THE DAY: pic related

>>21798836
what's wrong with the label?

>>21798843
>Rothschild

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>>21798844
Not sure what you mean?
If it’s the pic it’s just 4chan servers giving me the horizontal treatment.

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>he hates Cru Beaujo

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>he drinks grape juice

>>21798870
Everybody in that photo 100% drinks wine, or they drink Aperol Spritzes at the bare minimum.

>>21798826
Nisu

>>21798826
Very Good.

Is 4 weeks enough time for a +20 year old Brunello to recover from bottleshock?

>>21799115
probably not, wait another 4 weeks just to be safe

>>21799115
>bottleshock
Meme

>>21798830
Good to know.
Good Niagara producers? Other than Bachelder, Hidden Bench, Pearl Morrissette?

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I spent $25 on picrel today, to put in a wine reduction (already had the wines for drinking) because I'm so insecure I didn't want to buy some $10 wine and then the cashier (male) at safeway would get the impression I was broke on xmas day (I don't actually have that much money), on a scale of 1 to 10 how much of a cuck am I, please call me names I'll probably get aroused from the shame

>>21799305
Niagara is a mixed bag i find. Therianthropy’s output is a coin flip for being either very okay or very good. Domaine Queylus makes fun Pinot and Chardonnay. Some of the Naked series from Big Head are quite good. Southbrook’s amphora aged Gamay and Chardonnay are awesome as can some of Leaning Post’s low sulphur amphora wines.
For weirder stuff I have enjoyed the stuff from Drinks Farm who do more hybrid and North American grapevine stuff and it’s surprisingly good.
Personally though I don’t think anything from Ontario comes close to the highs I’ve had from some Quebec producers like Pinard et Fils and Les Pervanches outside of aged PM Chardonnay.

>>21799328
9/10. Maybe if you were a real man you’d have bought the franzia burgundy box but your guests already know the answer regardless of what you bought and however much it cost.

>>21798830
>he is a sexpest
i wouldn’t trust a winemaker who wasn’t

>>21799574
Trumpers drink wine?

NYE sipper options...

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>>21780653
I like wine that is in a bottle in a basket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiasco_(bottle)

>>21799993
rothschilds-epstein bros ww@

Thinking Malvasia today

>>21799364
>Niagara is a mixed bag
That's true. But there's some good stuff if you stick to the proven producers.
>Southbrook aged Gamay and Chardonnay
Might try these if I see em.

>>21799993
What’s the wine equivalent to a psued?

>>21801954
napa drinkers

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>>21801954
People who don't like champagne. People who think champagne is the only good bubbly. People who don't like sweet wine. People who say they like sweet wine just to get a rise out of other people. People who think "muh judgment of paris" is some kind of mic drop. Super tuscan fans. People who use wine-preserving stoppers (like vacuum pump corks and so on). Mosel stans. People who talk shit about prestige appellations. Napa cucks. People who are snobs about only drinking nominally varietal wines ("cabernet sauvignon" etc) not realizing it's usually a blend (especially if from california). People who have never blended wines on their own for fun. People who drink wines from california. People who dismiss wines from an entire region because they think it makes them look sophisticated. People who willingly pay over $30 for cru beaujolais. People who think there is something unsavory about wines from spain. People who make sweeping generalizations about wines. People who drink wines that are, on average, more expensive than the wines I usually drink (poseurs and snobs). People who drink wines, on average, that are less expensive than the wines I usually drink (heathens and gutter palates).

supertuscan tonight
>>21801954
beaujolais

Gigondas for me.

>>21802316
cairanne for me.
>>21802233
Beaujo is for chads ya

>>21802076
Facts.

Ummm let me get uhhhh CHABLIS

just purchased a half bottle of LJ Beaujolais. If this sucks i never want to see another Beaujo post itt

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>No place will deliver this to my state
Why even live?

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Grabbed a bottle of this, what am I in for

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>fell for the veuve clicquot meme and bought some for new years

>>21803906
A lot of sugar, but that's also kind of the point. Kirkland wines are generally a decent value and you can get a lot of mileage out of the sangria at summer parties especially if you fancy it up with some actual fruit slices.

>>21803953
I fell for the Louis Roederer Collection 246 meme

>>21804123
i liked the 245, what's wrong with the 246?

>>21801605
>>21799364
Got the Queylus chard. Not bad, pricey though

godello from galicia tonight

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>>21799325
>16.4%

Drinking some grand cru shit this nye

>>21803576
>judging a whole region by one average negoce wine
based retard

>>21803868
try not living in the middle of nowhere, wine and grape spirits are not a flyover hobby

>>21802076
>People who say they like sweet wine just to get a rise out of other people.
who does this

most of these takes aren't even pseud, they're non-intellectual

>People who drink wines from california.
>People who make sweeping generalizations about wines.
lol you got me

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What do we think about wine without added sulfite?
Also how the fuck do you solve the new captcha with the boxes and dots?

>>21806261
>asks retards on 4chan on what to think because can't use a search engine and think for himself
>can't solve the dumbed down IQ captcha with clear instructions
Pottery

>>21805948
Which one?
>Inb4 Corton Charlamagne

>>21806269
>>21806269
>trusts the ai created write ups
Couldnt be me. Also ive been posting using an app which doesnt show any instruction so thanks for letting me know and bumping the thread.

>>21806287
>a fucking phonefag

niggas on 4chan will write out a post about how they were high IQ child prodigies that just never lived up to their potential and then struggle with the captcha

>>21806261
>Also how the fuck do you solve the new captcha with the boxes and dots?
Drinking less wine might help.

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>>21780653
had a mayu over the christmas, wasn't too good unfortunately. Torres Sangre De Toro 8% is still pretty good however.
haven't decided what to get for the new years yet. been drinking juicy zins and cabs etc lately, so maybe a change of pace is in order. perhaps a nice pinot in a bib.

>>21806269
>Can't read bold print and solve basic puzzles
>Calls you ai
>Ousts himself as a phone fag, while simultaneously crying they don't provide instructions( read bold print )
>Posts a pic of wine, with anti theft collars
A true king walks amongst us

>>21806290
>>21806325
>>21806337
>>21807212
Wow thanka for all the free bumps my niggas lmfao keep em coming

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Btw do you niggas use a decanter? I sometimes get like a allergy reaction from wine and start to get blocked nose and coughs like crazy. I feel like letting the wine sit and breath for a bit might help.

sta rita hills chardonnay
>>21807256
Yeah i have a couple decanters, a fat one like the one you posted and a skinny one for older wines that need a little air but not a lot of air

>>21806283
brice blanc de noir bouzy i think xxii is the release/vintage, not sure, i dont drink as much champagne and grower stuff as I'd like to.

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>>21780653
This is what i'll be opening for new years.

>>21807887
that's a lot of sugar for a nye sipper

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>>21808115
Ideally it would've been a party bottle, but I don't have friends who do new years anymore. I'll have some cracker barrel gouda with it, to even things out.

>>21807256
I don't think there's any reason why oxidation will help you with your allergy.

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Happy New Year, fellas

Tonight my wife and I are sharing a bottle of 2010 Horse Heaven Hills Cabernet Sauvignon that she found hidden in the back of the wine closet at her work

>>21807256
It could be the yeast or maybe the type of grape, maybe the sweetness

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Had this for Xmas.
It was amazing..

>>21809423
>using a flute

>>21809237
>Heaven Hill
>>21800515

>>21809237
Based and boomerpilled

>>21809890
First murder of 2026

>>21809423
Very based Bollinger is always good

>>21809929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnjTLtFux6Q

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Meh. The older I get, the less and less I like Merlot-heavy blends. I like GSMs better.

I've been really enjoying sake lightly. I like how it's like both a beer and a white wine.

>>21810084
Bros...

Priorat tonight

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Good Italian orange wine slaps so hard

how much of this thread is just one alcoholic livetweeting his expensive drinking habit

>>21811550
Uh there's like at least 4 of us alcoholics.

>>21810587
I love the taste profile rice imparts. It’s hard to describe. That starchy almost grainy micro-grit, yet smooth. I am kind of weird and prefer room temperature sake. Some certain bottles taste better cold. Hot sake is weird to me
>>21811550
>>21811568
Make it 5. I’ve lurked for a while but I’m going to start posting more often.

Vin Gris, Cotes de Toul.

>>21811529
Orange wine is general is based. But traditionalists like to shit on the parade.

drink moar barbera

>>21812278
Barbera is getting expanding nowadays.

>>21811550
I just lurk desu

>>21812306
True but you can still find DOCG and high quality shit with age on it for under $25 retail which is tight.

>>21811976
no no NO orange wine IS traditional fuck you FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!!!!!

>>21812845
this tho

Bandol tonight

>>21812278
>>21812306
>>21812622
Honestly feels like Piedmont is just getting far too pricey in general.
Not the same at all but I'm back to sticking to Sicily for Italian.

>>21813816
Abruzzo, mi fratello, that's where the QPR is at right now. Timorasso, Pelaverga and Grignolino are all still reasonably priced in Piedmont right now.

Vino Nobile di Montepulciano for me.

>>21813928
>>21813915
>>21813816
For me Rosso di Montepuliciano or Montepuliciano d'abruzzo

>>21811976
most of it is oxidised trendoid slop

>>21813996
get outta Italy amerifat

>>21807256
Only needed if you’re serving a lot of people and need to get a whole bottle distributed into individual glasses quickly, and you know it’s a good bottle (i.e. served towards the beginning of entertaining before everyone is buzzed/drunk and you switch to cheaper wines)
If it’s just for you, all that is needed really is pouring your wine into a glass and letting it sit 10-20 mins to breathe, if that. I don’t even do this anymore. It’s mainly theatrics desu and the taste profile shift from breathing is only a deal breaker for the snobs, the gays, and the SSRI-laden cat women who claim they know good wine because they were duped into spending $100 on a bottle

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>>21814296
the orange wine… is oxidized?

>>21798826
is whygay any good? I've been wanting to try it for a while but it's kinda spendy

>>21798436
I just hate how people act like it's the second coming of christ, when in fact it's more like "this shit was $30 if it's not at least 'not bad' the efficient market hypothesis is discredited"

>>21798543
I forced my turbo boomer parents to drink fleurie over the holidays and they asked me several times to explain where it came from and what rating it had and were in disbelief that something (a) with no immediately available numeric score and (b) not from napa valley was actually good

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Mini haul

>>21815923
I really hope this craft beerification of wine labels reverses, and quickly. The "clever" sexual innendo makes it even worse. Just need a critter on the label and a vague crime reference to appeal to the fragile male and you have shitty wine bingo

>>21815926
im okay with some critters, the herman story has a pretty cool bee on the front of it

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>>21815937
pic related

Leave prosecco hate in 2025

>>21816607
mmm
nyo

What's wrong with prosecco?

>>21816830
it's fine for spritzers and mimosas but anyone trying to push "good prosecco" is a rube and a tryhard

>>21816864
Okay now give an actual reason

>>21816830
Nothing but the one that everyone buys generally is cheap drivel. So most people hate it.
Also see
>Cheap non dry Riesling
>Beaujolais nouveau
>Cheap/Overly oaked Chardonnay

>>21816830
Nothing, but it’s the best selling wine in the world right now so you have a lot of shit labels oversaturating the market. Valdabbiadone is still the tits.

>>21815926
I like how it’s easy to tell which wineries are run by the oldschool guys with class, and which ones have been shitted up by millennial family members making decisions on shitty reddit-tier labels and slogans and pretentious descriptions.

>>21816870
>>21816866
Ok I'll bite, what's "good prosecco" so we can laugh. Like what's the clemensbusch marienburg gg of prosecco, if you will

>>21816870
>the one that everyone buys
Which one is that?

>>21816900
There are only 2 commercially relevant prosecci: "la marca" which is what they serve on amtrak in the dining car, and "bisol 1542" which is what tryhards usually cite when asked what is a "good prosecco" (sic), it has "minerality" which is a nonsense word that means "jancis robinson or alice feiring said it was ok to like this"

>>21816907
>prosecci
Opinion discarded

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>>21816887
2024 Ca' Dei Zago Col Fondo Valdabbiadene

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Yup it's Proseccin time

>>21816887
you mean Cartizze?

>>21815055
it's very good but also R. Lopez de Heredia is better, older, and typically cheaper

>>21810100
>The older I get, the less and less I like Merlot-heavy blends. I like GSMs better.
Merlot can be big and juicy or earthy and tannic, it's just most of the cheap St emillion and superieurs lean to the prior
ironic because so do GSMs

>>21816887
NTA, Nino Franco Rustico because it's actually lees aged in bottle
Prosecco by dint of its production method will never be as good or complex as something with long lees aging, and the yield limits are far too high to get the concentration needed for what would be considered "superior"

>>21817592
R. Lopez de Heredia is a producer, so in that vein I have had Marques de Murrieta just not the Ygay, much like how I have had many of the Heredias but not the 2001 Tondonia Reserva (this is where the analogy starts to fail)

Also if we're trying to apples to apples this, Marques de Murrieta is cheaper in most cases but Heredia doesn't seem to have a trophy offering per se

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>>21817793
yep, that's fair. to be clear:
Lopez Tondonia Grand Reserva is ~250 for the 2004, which is current vintage and a 100 pointer
Ygay is ~300 for the 2012, also current vintage, also a 100 pointer
if you like a more pristinely fruited style, that's probably the only thing Ygay has on Lopez GR
both are great wines for what it's worth, but for my money I'm going to priorat
also the Ygay and Lopez blanco GR are both way more interesting imo

>>21817819
I am familiar with heredia's white and pink wines but I didn't know there was an ygay blanco, that must be rare indeed

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>>21817823
The current vintage is 1986
The aging regimen is insane, pic related
It's also probably the most expensive spanish white around, 600 bucks a bottle

>>21817830
It's unfortunate that I got to taste heredia's paler offerings before the prices got memed into the ionosphere because if I hadn't I'd be laughing at $600 for a white rioja but instead I'm doing the math in my head to rationalize why it's a reasonable purchase and under what circumstances I'll be opening the bottle

>>21817830
It's still safe to drink after 40 years?

>>21817856
some of these wines are so high in acid and phenols that they last for 100 years
by all accounts, it's still young and needs more age, even though it's already been aged almost half a decade. Obviously the exception proves the rule--most whites should be drunk right away.
wine is cool like that

Paso Robles Sagrantino

has Lodi ever made a single good wine?

>>21818188
Yeah the "low status" regions in CA have some upstart producers making more off the wall stuff, of course if you want your critter zin that appeals to lower middle class zoomers they have that but they also have gritty vinegary brett bombs with the label that looks hand written on organic hemp fibers where they tell you the brix so you know they're not holding anything back. Truly something for everyone! They even make one for manifest destiny alternative history manosphere weirdos called "native" with a cute cartoon label showing that the eternal anglo arrived in caifornia in 1848 and nobody else was there first.

>>21818568
>lower middle class boomers
Sorry typo. The brett bonbs are for the zoomers of course. Everything must be an extreme overcorrection to the previous generation's excesses, that is the rule for The Youth.

>>21818188
Sandlands wines are incredible, 100+ year old vines but 13-14% alc and typically around 30 bucks

Alright now that I'm back from vacation I can report on all the shit I had:

Donnachiara Fiano Avellino "Empatia" ('22?)- It's been about two weeks now but all I remember was it being sour as shit and maybe a bit salty
Zenato Valpolicella Ripasso ('21? eh, should've written down the vintages- some receipts didn't list em)- wine was fine. honestly couldn't really discern any influence of the extra lees but I remember it being a bit raisiny
Alois Lageder Muller-Thurgau '20- Hazy memory on this one, I remember it being floral and being somewhat unimpressed, but at $17 who cares.
Ligier Crémant de Jura Brut Rosé NV- Had a bit of "funk" to it (rubber almost?) but overall was just a generic sparkling rosé EXCEPT for the prominent lees influence which was quite tasty

Also attended a tasting of like 8 wines which I am hazy on, I remember there being a barolo (barbaresco?), priorat, some chilean red, uhhh some other crap, an extremely disappointing chateauneuf du pape blanc, trimbach gewurztraminer which was pretty good but not my style (2floral4me), and the one which I bothered to take a photo of: Vincent & Sophie Morey Saint-Aubin Les Charmois 1er Blanc '23. Was really fuckin weird tasting, almost smoky or something (but that's not quite right, truly don't know how to describe it sorry for wasting your time dear reader*).
*A final attempt to describe it would definitely categorize it under "minerality", some kind of sulfurous influence, but even then I can't put my finger on it. Like a sweet burnt rubber???

On account of >>21703114 got a Dom Collotte Marsannay Champsolomon for ~$60 after tax and shipping. Breddy gud, liked the mushrooms. Thanks brah. Just realized it was a 2020 though fuckin REEEEEEEE. Still was pretty acidic regardless

Alvear Pedro Ximenez 1927- extremely viscous and sticky. everyone who I had try it reported flavors of prune. didn't like it at first but it grew on me and am now sad it's gone
VecchioFlorio Dry Marsla- breddy gud

On account of >>21782910 snagged the rare wine co. "charleston" sercial which was quite tasty. Also tried a $30 taster of a 50 year old madiera (D'Oliveira) the merchant was selling for $650 per bottle (bual or verdelho can't remember; god damn I am terrible with taking notes). It was quite good, very raisiny and briney, but for 1/10 the price I'll take the charleston thank you.

BONUS:
A fine de bourgogne from some no-name dude's family vineyard. I definitely liked it but I feel non-pomace brandies are just too subtle for me to justify the price + shipping (especially considering how fucking hard it is to find any brandies in the US that aren't either giga-expensive or mass produced boisé slop).

Bizarro zone:
Had a wine fermented entirely from mashed bananas. Unsurprisingly, it tasted like bananas with some yeast funk. Nothing crazy. Also had pulque which is hard to describe but tasted almost nothing like tequila which was weird. Similar to the flesh of a coconut if it lacked the distinctive "coconut" flavor if that makes any sense. Wines made from fermented maple sap eluded me as it seems most producers do not ship outside of canada, but I did try a spirit distilled from such ("acerum"). Was pretty good, a bit offputting on ice but found my self unable to resist neat. Finally, a '21 3 fonteinen oude kriek which was impressive as always, a Boon kriek which was disappointing, and a boon gueuze which was good.

A bottle of scotch shattered in my checked luggage from turbulence, but other than that my '23 Michel Tissot Cotes du Jura Savagnin, '23 Dom Carlines Cotes du Jura Poulsard, and Dom Dugois Arbois Vin Jaune '17 survived. Will report back when I drink them (also snagged a 187 ml Jackson Triggs Vidal Icewine), but for now I will limp back a pauper to my regional cotes du rhone, provence, and cotes de gascogne.

>>21819422
I see they're bucketed as "lodi" but their address is in napa, and the tech sheets are describing san luis obispo, 'bohan dillon road' which seems to connect sonoma to mendocino, and yes lodi, but a more cynical observer might think the more respectable-sounding sites are responsible for anything good about it

>>21819423
>Was really fuckin weird tasting, almost smoky or something (but that's not quite right, truly don't know how to describe it sorry for wasting your time dear reader*).
>*A final attempt to describe it would definitely categorize it under "minerality", some kind of sulfurous influence, but even then I can't put my finger on it. Like a sweet burnt rubber???
you are looking at some form of reduction (sulphur, struck match) or a flinty character from soil (gunpowder, seashells, brine)
or both
many Pouilly-Fuisse/Fume wines have some version of it, as well as more reductive winemaking parts of Burgundy like Meursault

>>21819447
>gunpowder
yeah I guess that's more along the lines of it
also when I went to the 'chive to reply to the marsannay rec I'm pretty sure that same poster was thrashing the '20 vintage for being too hot but according to (((wine spectator))) that was a good year for cote de nuits and '21 was the stinker. definitely enjoyed muh '22s

Gerard Bertrand rose

>>21819423
Chateauneuf du Pape Blanc and gewruzteaminer both such ass so that's why

2020 left bank, drinking surprisingly well for a 1st growth second label

ok you guys trolled me into trying prosecco again. officially it's not "prosecco" it's "colli trevigiani IGT" but the shelf talker said it's a technicality

tonight it's 50/50 this or the cap classique (also shilled on me by you winos), I win the fell for it again award today

this had better be at least interesting because I wanted to get the chinese bordeaux blend but I make sacrifices for 4chan

>>21820520
Is it col fondo?

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>>21820541
yes, I suppose it is

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>>21820625
Nice

>>21819698
That shit is ass

>>21820625
well. this is not what I expected at all. slightly cloudy and tastes like oysters and pennies with a little bit of sourdough and prison hooch. I know that sounds terrible but it's not bad. it kind of reminds me of those filipa pato wines but a little more weird. first impression after half a glass: probably not going to buy this again but I don't regret giving it a chance.

Montepulciano d’Abruzzo with Pizza

>tfw face get red and hot when I booze lately

Supertuscan day

>>21817819
Holy fucking Christ that hand

>>21820625
>>21821850
Sounds sick

>>21823401
Drinking too much natty wine

>>21819423
Alvear 1927 is good stuff, and if you thought that was viscous you should get a hold of their 1830 Solera. It's almost jet black with absolutely no transparency, and a viscosity not unlike melted chocolate. It's aged for so long that the alcohol reduces to only like 11-12%. However all you need is one tiny sip and then the flavor explodes throughout your body and your left with just pure sweet indulgence without it feeling cloying.

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14% abv and very highly recommended to avoid heartburn

This piece of shit was mispriced at the local Carrefour, is it a score for €2?

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>>21825404
Forgot the pic award

>>21825408
That looks like something one would keep in the fridge to deglaze with.

>>21824633
>That receipt
Hopefully bait image

>>21780653
Wine
:/
Wine, japan
:O

>>21825508
that'll be $450+tip

Is it ok to be a wine alcoholic? Wine is weak shit that women drink so of course it's not gonna do too much damage

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Literal who varietal from big producer, early QPR front runner of 2026 under $13

>>21825579
no, I worked in a bottle shop and there's nothing gayer than the ex-winos that had to give up drinking because they over did it in their 30s and 40s

>>21825579
Yes it's a classy way to rationalize having "a glass" every night and you can cite the urban legend about how it makes french people live longer

Just don't tell your doctor, when a patient says a glass per night they hear "a bottle a night" and it goes in your permanent record

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Tonight with Cassoulet

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Tonight with mapo tofu

2017 Crozes Hermitages

2018 Nizza

>>21825650
Is this good? Might try

>>21825479
Why what's wrong? I didnt really know what I was doing aside from the chardonnay which was a backup plan because they didn't have any botanical gin. Mostly meaning the Crown Royal tastes like shit so I wouldnt get that again. The Fireball was just at the register last second buy for a buck.

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gonna grill some flank steak marinated in spicy sauce soon. Best pairing? Riesling?

>>21825826
no i'd go red, like zinfandel, malbec, tannat, carmenere, tempranillo, negroamaro, mataro

>>21825826
I personally don't bother with wine and spicy food, it's always a compromise to find the wine that would be made slightly less worse than all the others. But if you're dead set on it, low abv off-dry whites like riesling and gewurtz are good. For reds, low abv low tannin wines like lambrusco or gamay or any new trendy chillable reds would be serviceable.

>>21825786
straightforward and fruity but with bubbles, if it's this or gruet I'd pick this, but either mirabelle or scharffenberger would be a clear step up

>>21825826
nebbiolo or saparavi

>>21826127
whoever started the "riesling with spicy food" meme needs to be burned at the stake

>>21826160
What's a good value traditional method bottle (any region)? I haven't really dipped my toes in sparkling outside of mediocre Prosecco.

>>21826306
where I live in 'merica they often push cremant de bourgogne as the "poor man's champagne" but the prices have gotten pretty close to actual champagne. in europe it seems to be more about cremant d'alsace which is fine but not so common here. I happen to think penedes is pretty good and usually under $20 if you want something more austere but it's a different grape and a different flavor profile. same general idea though. if austere isn't your cup of tea (and assuming you're not chasing sugar) the graham beck should be more to your liking, or something from northern california. domaine carneros is quite common at least in 'merica, if you can find it for under $30 it's a good buy but it's often quite a bit more. if it's over $30 go for the mirabelle which should be close in price. argyle is alright for about $25, from oregon.

as you can see I'm a brokie so if you were asking QPR and not just saying "cheap" then I'm the wrong guy to ask. for spendy (by my standards) I like sea spray and schramsberg

>>21826320
>>21826306
oh also how could I not mention gruet, yeah gruet is sort of the "I can't believe how cheap this was and can you believe it's from new mexico" meme wine of traditional method sparkling, it has gotten kind of overpriced in some places but if you can find it for $15-17 it's a good buy. they also have a "sauvage" which is a zero-dosage which tends to be a few dollars extra, worth a shot if it's a FEW dollars extra (I've seen shops trying to sell it for $30 which is laughable but evidently some idiots actually buy it)

I'm not the kind of person who says "try the cheapest thing of ____ to see if you like it" because that's often a recipe for just getting a highly negative impression of _____ but gruet ain't bad if you just want a general idea of the sensory experience of that style of wine, it's definitely not going to get you hooked but it will tell you if you find it instantly revolting, which some people do

>>21826160
>saparavi
I've never tried it with spicy food but I have a hard time believing they go well together

>>21826320
>>21826326
Thanks I'll go for a Cremant de Bourgogne.

>>21826370
Don't knock it til you've tried it. I will die on this hill but people need to stop thinking of "spicy food" or "asian food" as a monolith when it comes to wine, it seems like as soon as a white encounters a food that isn't ribeye and potatoes, pizza, costco rotisserie chicken, or ikea meatballs their brain shuts off and pretty soon you're drinking graacher domprobst kabinett with beef rendang because wine folly said to do it. I can understand if you just don't care about wine or food but presumably if "pairing" is even a valid concept in your head (and I grant that for some people it sound stupid), then you should try to come up with a pairing and stop being so lazy

k see you guys in 3 days I guess

I still don’t “get” sparklings. Granted most of the ones I’ve had were ~$20 but I’ve had cremant de loire, alsace, bourgogne, jura, champagne, cava, lambrusco, prosecco, and riesling sekt. All but the driest proseccos were cloying, riesling sekt stood out as actually tasting lime riesling, and jura is jura so was a bit unique, but almost every other white / rosé I had tasted samey. Just crisp acidity for whites and not much else going on except maybe some taste of aging on lees. Rosés similarly generic. You could give me a dry cava or a dry bourgogne or an alsace and I wouldn’t know the difference. Honestly I think the suggested serving temperatures are too cold and I need to drink them warmer to get more of the subtle flavors out. I’ve also heard flutes are a meme which I believe cause less aroma (and wide glasses can turn stupid sparkling into superior still faster kek). Finally, most of the champagnes I’ve had have been served to me at wine tastings, but they were all similarly generic. I doubt they were giving me anything high end, but I don’t think they were dogshit level either. I’m gonna drop $50+ on a bottle of no-name grower champagne at some point, and frankly if I need to get to $100+ champagnes to get to the good stuff I’d rather get burgundy

>>21826422
I sort of understand where you're coming from in that a lot of the time the bubbles drown out everything except the taste of acid and whatever sugar is left over, but the other way to look at it is that "sparkling wine" gets pigeonholed and reduced to a monolith because people just taste bubbles and stop thinking (see: the rant about spicy food). I've had bubblies that I thought were kind of one dimensional and crappy suddenly click as soon as I had them with the right food. "champagne goes with everything", kind of like how a spork goes with everything - it does and yet it doesn't really. if 99% of your drinking is still wine, then of course you're going to be totally disoriented with sparkling and your instincts aren't going to do you any good in hunting down the right pairing, it's just trial and error like when you first started drinking wine

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I'm drinking pic related with cheese, i like the sweetness paired with strong cheese.

>>21826431
Yeah I mean pairing is one thing, but I mean evaluating the wine on its own merits. Swishing it around nosing, evaluating the primary and secondary flavors, aftertaste, etc. I mean generally the tasting techniques should translate over, but I can believe the sparkling aspect causing a big psychological distraction that I need to get past to get to the underlying subtleties. Still I think I gotta just drink them warmer until I can orient myself a bit better then cool it back down to “correct” temperatures once I have better bearings

>>21826422
Sparkling can get more interesting with air/temp and sometimes with age. Laherte Freres and Hebrart make some decent stuff at the $50-ish level. But yeah unfortunately Champagne has the same problem as Burgundy, where all of the truly great shit is horrendously expensive, which takes away from some of its fun
>at a party with some wine geeks
>go to take a piss
>come back and the room is dead silent
>uh wtf
>a certain angel is opening up a bottle of '96 Salon
>party has gone from being a party to being a religious ceremony
don't get me wrong, I appreciated it as much as anyone (really even more than anyone because I was sort of the instigator), but how the whole tone of the night shifted was crazy

>>21826418
I'll open up a riesling and saparavi and compare, im grilling next saturday. I will respond to this post via through the 'chives

>>21826306
piemonte metodo tradizionale, cremant de jura

it’s over