Is veganism/vegetarianism used as an industry cover story?I have a lot of weird food intolerances and after googling "why am I allergic to potato, pepper and legumes" I came across Gundry's theory of lectins.What is really weird about all this is that Gundry proposes that certain vegetables/plants are effectively toxic. But the important point is that there are a whole bunch of vegetables that aren't toxic, and even the ones that are sometimes you can use heat to make them safer. He's still saying you should eat vegetables.But all I'm seeing in discussions of this on both reddit and wikipedia is vegetarians trying to dismiss the theory entirely. They talk about it like Gundry is suggesting that you go carnivore. But what is most interesting is that all of the resistance is coming from self-described vegetarian sources.
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Sorry, industry being American soy and corn, both of which are toxic under Gundry's theory
Wild vegetables don't want to be eaten. They have evolved ways to deter predators.Raw potatoes for example have lectins and all nightshades have alkaloids like solanine that make you sick if eaten without proper preparation.But all also have essential vitamins and nutrients humans require to function, with cucumbers, celery and iceberg lettuce having the least vitamins, providing mainly water and fiber
>>21783757Why do you retards assume everything you don't like is a conspiracy?Industries have internal ears. The food industry has meat producers, who want you to eat more meat, and producers of food that isn't meat who want you to eat their stuff instead. Between economic concerns, ecological concerns, ethical concerns and (flawed) health studies, the non-meat part of the industry is winning the media war right now.Fortunately, people at large still crave meat and the media war isn't the deciding factor
>>21783769It's not an assumption, it is what is happening on the groundEither way I'm not suggesting it is a conspiracy per se, rather that it is a particular tactic that shows who is really in control. The meat or dairy industry could just as easily be doing a "psyop" on Gundry/lectins, and the point is that they aren't, it is vegetarians.
>>21783785GOT MILK?STRONG BONES CALCIUMSCHOOL CAFETERIA KIDS MEALS MILK MILK MILK
>>21783787It doesn't count as a psyop when it aligns with anon's own views
>>21783791It also doesn't count as a pysop when it isn't a pysop and it is an irrelevant ad campaign
First of all let me say that the youtube """doctors""" like Gundry are absolute quacks and you should not take any medical advice from them. What do you mean by "intolerance". what happens to you specifically.
>>21783873The guy is clearly a doctor
>>21783876>The guy is clearly a doctorhe's a doctor in the same way that Oz is a doctor; he uses his credential to sell you on pseudoscientific bullshit that you don't need, books, pills, etc. I'm just asking you what happens in your "intolerance". do you shit out blood? break out in hives? what?
>>21783880No you're trying to legitimize your rejection of him as a doctor by having me say "oh no I get sick and all that thanks for asking"He's a doctor. He studied as a doctor, he worked as a doctor, he's a doctor.
>>21783886hes a cardiac surgeon. unless he did heart surgery on you, he's not YOUR doctor.Doing heart surgery does not qualify somebody to go in the internet spreading quackery like how beans are poison and making everybody fat. It's nonsense.Yeah, RAW beans contain lectin. Guess what. nobody eats raw beans. So good job telling everybody to cook a food that everybody already cooks.
>OP self-diagnoses himself having food 'intolerances'>doesn't even share what they are>his first instinct is to go on the net and believe the first grifter that also goes against scientific consensus>"I'm NOT saying it's a conspiracy BUT them potatoes and beans definitely be pushed by the Big Veg"Hmmm
>>21783937I soaked red kidney beans overnight and popped a tablespoon's worth into my mouth to determine whether they were ready for cooking. A half hour later I was down on all fours projectile shitting and vomiting with a force heretofor unknown by humand kind. Never again.
>>21783937Can I get an honest answer from you peopleWhy do we have to eat beans? There is SO MUCH propaganda about eating beans. Every nutrition discussion I read that smacks of shilling will always end with a recommendation that we have to eat legumes.Are they particularly profitable?
>>21783757"Googling" (nice verb there) in the form of a question is peak fucking cringe. You're a retarded person.And it's embarrassing that the internet caters to you. You should be forced to be formal and correct and tech savvy, not have everything bend to your idiocy.Vegans are fucking faggots and you're a schizo trying to "question" things. KYS.
>>21785224Fuck off. I can tell already you think everything is secretly motivated by money and corruption.>Nutritionists sure do like to recommend eating X, so clearly they're being paid to "shill" it for profit. That's how all of this works really. All about the money.No. You're brain-broken. Probably happened in relation to covid. Happened to a lot of not-too-bright chuds living in isolation spending too much time online. I hope you escape your rabbithole way of regarding the world. I hope your cynicism and distrust doesn't affect whatever social life you do have. I have watch people like you alienate themselves even more when they start "sharing information" with normal people who aren't paranoid lunatics. You keep an eye out for all that PROPAGANDA about beans and shit. LOLOL
>>21783757>But all I'm seeing in discussions of this on both reddit and wikipedia is vegetarians trying to dismiss the theory entirely.That's just people on a plant-based diet being resistant to hearing plants are bad because of how some people keep trying to push that. Veganism/vegetarianism has existed long before modern industry.Anyway, I think there is some truth to it, but for most plants just cooking them is enough. Where it might not be enough is with beans and grains, traditionally those things would've been soaked/sprouted/fermented to make them more digestible. A lot of people have digestive issues with beans and grains that are lessened when prepared using those methods. But issues with anything else are much less common.>>21785224It's probably because by most metrics, beans are fairly healthy. Higher in protein, a good amount of vitamins and minerals. But still hard to digest and like I said for some people without soaking/sprouting/fermenting they may not digest them well and it only makes them feel worse. These things aren't taken into account as much by medical professionals and they'll say it's good and eat it and if you're having problems you might need medication when you simply don't tolerate these foods without the traditional prep work that was often done to them.
>>21785231The alternative to all this being a huge PR campaign is that vegans saw what was coming out on lectins and antinutrients and decided that it was better that everyone suffer in ignorance because the welfare of animals is more important. The only way I can see that working is if vegans are, for some reason, actually really terrible people that don't care about animals at all and use it as a cover for hating humans. That would explain why they want all of humanity to suffer, even children.Now maybe that it true but alternatively we have concrete evidence of American industry being perfectly willing to let people suffer for money via smoking. And look at how they dragged their feet on food coloring. These people very obviously do not care if people suffer, so it makes more sense that we trace all of this back to them.
>>21785309No one's "suffering" from food coloring though.
>>21785309It's a moral thing for most of them and they're not really interested in debating the scientific stuff as much. That's all it really is. Thinking they don't care about animals and hate people and want everyone to suffer is paranoia. But you still have more reasonable ones who will say yes meat tastes good and is nutritious and plants have issues but they still think it's morally right to not eat meat so they just won't do it. >>21785827Multiple forms of food coloring have been banned because they had potential to make people sick. It's been an issue for a long time. I'm not sure how you could be completely unaware of that.
>>21785874I'm aware that people want to get rid of it. But it's usually the same people who have issues with seed oils and teflon and fluoride and vaccines, so I tend to think it's a big nothingburger. "Potential to make people sick" seems pretty vague. And the fact that I grew up in America and have been eating food colorings for over 40 years without becoming sick also convinces me I don't need to care about this bullshit.But you worry if you want. You warn people and you stay far away from all the things the internet convinced you shouldn't be legal and on shelves in every town across the world. You and the nameless schizos of social media surely know better than the FDA.
>>21783956The problem with leafy vegs is that they are toxic...from the pesticides used on them. When you see a perfect lettuce leaf, it means it was doused with chems. Most normalfags don't wash their veges properly, so you end up accumulating fat-soluble toxic pesticides over time.
>>21785893The multiple physicians and nutritionists and lawyers who have been warning the general public of the dangers of the food supply and modern medicine most certainly know better than the federal regulatory agencies and have for multiple decades.
>>21783757An industry cover for what? Op, have you been to an allergist or gotten your blood drawn anyone recently? I went through a time where I was having reactions to foods, and it was essentially hormone imbalances. If you refuse to go to a doctor, look into the AIP diet. It's an elimination diet that's extremely restrictive, so that you can re-introduce foods and more easily figure out what exactly has been making you react.
>>21786435Then why are they tiny percentages of their respective fields who the majority have disregarded as loons? You think "modern medicine" in general is dangerous? lol, I don't agree with any of that but if you wanna be scared go right ahead.
>>21786613Damn, you really waited until I'm just about to go to bed to ask such a stupid question. Do you truly know so little about the world and how things work? I'm not going to educate you on it right now. Why do you think gold standard science has vindicated so many whistleblowers after only a year of RFK's HHS?
>>21786630You can't educate me at all. You believe disinformation. You distrust all of the official authorities now and rely on whatever those rejecting them say. You blindly believe anyone who says the official thing is actually wrong. That's just as dumb as blindly believing everything else. Yeah, you surely have it all figured out. You just know not to trust anything that 97% of doctors agree on. That's dangerous. Me, trusting my doctor? You think THAT'S dangerous. But it's because you believe lies. The rest of us are fine. You will probably be too since your parents were not retarded and they got you all your necessary shots. And you won't procreate so no one needs worry that you'll refuse the measles vaccines for your own kids and put everyone at risk.You're harmless. Believe all the "rabbit hole" schizo shit you think you're onto. Doesn't affect the rest of us with brains.
Anyone sane is calling for RFK Jr's immediate removal. Even kissass GOP types who fear Trump. Fucking conspiratards are the only people who think RFK is on the right track. Do you have any clue the things he believes? You people do know that the stupid 'vaccines cause autism' article that was briefly published in the 90s has been thoroughly debunked and discredited and removed and retracted, right? The basis for everything you believe all stems from one opportunist "doctor" who had financial reasons to back an alternative vaccine.This information is widely available. So of course you'll dismiss it as "propaganda" or something. You're too far gone to be reasoned with. I can tell just by a couple posts and your attitude. LOL, such Dunning-Kruger with you people. You're well within your rights to reject medical advice I guess. But you're not actually capable of making that decision. You're not smart enough.
>>21786475>An industry cover for what? If it turns out that corn, for example, isn't all that good for you, the corn industry can't respond with "Well be that as it may, this is how we make money so keep eating corn even if it makes you sick". Any response to the possibility that a particular food shouldn't be eaten has to be based on something other than "if you stop doing this, we lose money".
>>21786657Corn doesn't make anyone sick. Sure, there are rare allergies some people have. But you fucking nutbags act as if there are poisons on the shelves of stores that really should not be there. Maybe it'll take 40 years of research to prove that "seed oils may cause *inflammation*" or some such vague nonsense, but you're spreading the word now, just in case it is true. And when I ask for any evidence to support your beliefs you conveniently fall back on the excuse that "powerful and corrupt people are covering up the truth". And I guess every wikipedia article with dozens of sources debunking whatever it is you're so afraid of, that can't be trusted. You laugh at the idea of true knowledge being found there. You think it's a biased propaganda source and that you're getting far more trustworthy information from whoever Joe Rogan is interviewing. You people are becoming a real problem in America. Because most Americans are stupid, you're more likely to get taken in by shit like this. And you've now tied your beliefs in these things to political ideology, which is even more stupid. There's really no hope for you.
>>21785893Food dyes were being banned all the way back in the 1970s and being linked to health problems. Is it really schizo paranoia to think petrochemicals in food may not be great for us? Blind safety in processed food is insane. You'd probably resist against anyone who previously said vegetable shortening is bad for you despite it eventually being proven to be a severe heart disease risk.
>>21786666>Corn doesn't make anyone sick.White people got sick and died because they weren't nixtamalizing corn like the natives lol. Grains are harder to digest and without proper preparations they can cause problems. Just like people who can tolerate proper fermented sourdough bread which breaks down gluten but other forms of wheat can make them sick even if they don't have celiac disease. There's a reason that so many cultures only really ate fermented grain products because they do contain antinutrients and proteins that are harder to digest. This is well documented even if you don't think grains are poison.
>>21786733I wouldn't eat shortening every day. But Alton Brown swears on it for his fried chicken. And I concur that it's a good use for it having tried it.I don't "resist against" anyone's opinions. That's not the same as some paranoid conspiracy nut having actual governmental power and deciding things need to be kept from consumers, or even just you guys suggesting entire groups of foods are somehow very dangerous.Maybe I'm conflating something you posted with something some extremist posted, or I'm assuming too much about what else you believe. Any of this stuff is fine in moderation. If it weren't it wouldn't be legal.Did they bring back these banned food dyes of the 70s? Or are you using that as a legitimizing reference that justifies whatever is happening now? If Frito Lay wants to sell "natural" chips and charge extra, it's because they can make money off of the people who are feeling "Whole Foodsy" this week after reading an article but still shop at Walmart.So far, RFK Jr. has made a lot of DANGEROUS statements. So I'm going to assume that whatever he thinks about food is bullshit. As it stands I don't think anything widely available in stores needs to be recalled or pulled or banned or made illegal. There just isn't the evidence. And the "evidence" I'm shown is usually stuff that it turns out only fringe pseudoscience quacks are concerned about. Studies that haven't been replicated. Theory.Unless it's widely harming lots of people, they aren't going to pull it. You guys get on the internet and you get hyperfocused on things that don't affect enough people to be concerning. And you can't really prove the causation either. This isn't like "big tobacco" covering up cancer studies. You'd have to eat way, way too much of whatever it is to kill you, and then it'd be because you ate too much in general.
>>21786666They weren't even saying corn is bad, they were giving me an example. If you think the FDA is infallible and not biased towards corporate interests you're naive or blind. It doesn't matter who is in charge, 3 letters continue to function with their interests in mind. Whether it's retaining their budgets for whatever or maintaining good relationships with whoever, decisions are not *always* made with our best interest in mind. And, there is plenty of obvious conflicts of interest between industry and government. Everyone knows, you don't even have to work with govt to catch wind of anything, there's plenty of in the open. I'll give you an example of our govt being fucking retarded about health, in relation to something that's not really being talked about or propagandized by either side at the moment. It's just America being lazy and cheap. Iodine in salt. It's genuinely very important, the world essentially came together and agreed the population needed iodine and we could almost guarantee healthy iodine levels by adding it to salt. Most countries ran studies on their populations diet and use of salt to determine how much iodine to supplement. Several countries continued to run studies and adjusted their level to ensure no ill effects or ineffectual supplementation.America decided to fucking go from 0 to 100 though, because fuck spending money on studies. We supplement the most, and always have. When we decided to run a study on the effects, it was shown that some pockets of the population ended up over-supplemented. Mostly poor areas and the elderly, with a statistically significant amount of elderly people dying from the ill effects of too much iodine. The FDA is not perfect. Use your fucking brain, and pick your own poisons. You can liken food dyes to alcohol. We all know it's not good for you, but it's FDA approved and won't kill you immediately
>>21786750>Any of this stuff is fine in moderation. If it weren't it wouldn't be legal.You're very trusting. It's not that rare for something that was legal to later found to be harmful. RFK is weird but that doesn't mean highly processed foods with synthetic additives derived from petroleum aren't bad for you.
>>21786755You mean iodide.
>>21786759Whatever. It used to be that the "republicans" were the party of no regulation and no one telling you what you can and can't do. They still are with guns. But RFK was never a republican. He's a fucking KENNEDY. And Trump was a democrat too until he ran for office. The right is just where the crazy people go now. That's why guys like Bush and Romney have distanced themselves from it.It's just the fucking conspiracy theory party now. They know where their bread is buttered. The stodgy conservative boomers are dying off and the only people they could find to replace them are the ones so gullible they will vote for billionaire policies in the hope that the grifters they elect will do something about all the social progress they don't agree with. Willing to lose money and freedom and self respect in order to gamble on something that isn't even possible.No one saw that shit coming.
>>21786641>You can't educate me at all.Yes, you're clearly committed to willful ignorance. There wouldn't be any point in me trying.
>>21787492Very clever. You're like the guy who takes clips out of context to misrepresent someone.
>>21783757Plants have defense compounds since they can't run or fight.Man-made plants are bred for natural pesticides while also being sprayed with chemical pesticides. (some of which can't be washed off, and people think this is safe)Not even goats and cows can eat every plant.Plants have anti-nutrients that block nutrient absorption because they don't want to be eaten. The only anti-nutrient in animal-based food I can think of is avidin which blocks 25% of biotin absorption in egg clears and maybe semen which has anti-bacterial properties to survive inside the vagina.Unless you have some kind of chronic condition, you should be fine with eating plants.
>>21783787A lot of nutritional info is outdated. Like I heard milk is a good source of vitamin D, but that's only if it was fortified. It was a thing back in the 1930s but it doesn't seem that common now.
>>21787520Well, you've said quite a lot ITT while you were sperging out at me, and you've assumed a great deal about me which is not true. I'm not sure where you're getting all this. However, based on what you've said, I think it's reasonable to infer that you are averse to the investigation, parsing, and processing of information. You said it yourself:>You can't educate meSo why would I bother?
>>21787575Because you like bringing people into your dementia. I meant it sarcastically. OBVIOUSLY I can't "learn" from your "teachings" when you're spreading disinformation. Can I assume you think seed oils are dangerous?Because there's a lot of evidence it's not true. Next you'll tell me that this is not a reputable source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_oil_misinformationForgive me for assuming, but I argue with you nutjobs all the time on this sewer of a forum. You are usually pretty easy to spot based on any one of the things you think needs "investigating".
>>21786411If you're that concerned, what's stoping you from washing your greens thoroughly?
>>21783765I just knew corn was too tasty to be good for you!
>>21787654It seems you do not know what disinformation is. Disinformation is falsehood disseminated by sources broadly considered to be authoritative. The term you're looking for is "misinformation." Personally I make it a point to buy into neither.You've here reiterated your disdain for investigation, so I ask again, why should I bother? You keep suggesting that you're not interested in learning anything.
>>21787734Because you can't teach me anything because you're WRONG. I've checked all the official sources on all of the things you're worried about and it turns out there's no cause for concern. You're nuts is all.I'm not interested in "learning" the things you believe but are not proven and in fact are disproven most of the time. But please, do educate me. I change my mind from that one sentence you're holding me to. You CAN educate me. I'm open to your theories. Please, enlighten me to these "investigations" you're doing which have uncovered new evidence which would make all of my trusted sources invalid.I'll wait.
>>21787761You've contradicted yourself. Can you learn or can't you? I will point out that the only positive claim I've made ITT is that whistleblowers, particularly those trained in medicine, have better information than do regulatory bodies.You seem eager to lazily box people into categories without engaging any direct statements. Unless you can demonstrate that you're capable of engaging information, I'm going to consider you beneath my level of knowledge and discourse and will dismiss you as such. I sincerely hope your uninformed choices don't give you serious health problems. Enjoy your Christmas.
>>21786666One of the main reasons corn sucks (at least American corn) is the GMO crop. They are constantly cross-pollinating with non-GMOs. Whenever it's provable Monsanto tends to sue farmers for it but it still happens accidentally. This corn is modified to be Round-Up ready. Round-Up is glyphosate, a weed killer, and heavily implicated in cancer and (I think) metabolic disorders. In order for the corn crop to not wither and die as if it were a weed, the genome has been selectively bred to withstand high quantities that kill everything else.The questions you face, anon, are:>are you willing to consume industrial quantities of glyphosateDo you trust Du Pont and Monsanto that much? Would you take a spritz of Round-Up in the mouth from the bottle? If you had kids, would you? If not, why would you willingly consume food soaked in the stuff?>what other effects have come breeding/editing the corn genome for glyphosate resistance?Do they contain less nutrition? Some say it's soil depletion and others say crops themselves are less nutritious as they're picked for higher sugar content, uniform shape, and brighter colors (better sales to consumers). How does GMO corn digest in comparison to ancient maize varieties?This was just corn. It now applies to all kinds of crops including soybeans and rapeseed/canola. Practically 99% of the products on shelves have soybean or canola oil and are derived from GMO crops, hence why labels now say it's bioengineered to warn you. Actual cane sugar is rare in processed food now. It's not just HFCS (from GMOs full of glyphosate) but sugar beets which are an approved Round-Up ready crop, and they can label sugar beet derived sweetener as simply "sugar".
>>21787569It's still fortified. Milk is probably the biggest source of vitamin D in the diet for a lot of people. It's not there naturally and other foods have it too but vitamin D deficiency is still somewhat of an issue especially in colder climates.
>>21787778fyi, food safe quantities of bleach can destroy glyphosate. However, the FDA just approved the use of PFAs in pesticides, and bleach cannot destroy those. So good luck with that.
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>>21787781But anon probably likes unpasteurized, "raw" fucking illegal milk because of RFK or something. And that won't be fortified with anything. Like half of the people on this website are total nutjobs who reject all official information and believe just anything which challenges it. Isn't vitamin D the one you get from sunlight? These indoor cat conspiratards don't go out all that often.
>>21787789Thanks for proving me right, I guess.
>>21786813You can't actually still believe there are two distinct political parties, can you, anon? Are you over the age of 60 or under 20? That's the only explanation. We live in a false dichotomy. They're all beholden to the same international bankers.>but they actin crayzee!It's called the pendulum, anon. How fucking young are you? Was 2024 your first year to legally vote? How have you not noticed they manufacture controversies to push people to the left, then to the right, then back to the left. They're the tail that wags the dog. Clinton took over Bush, Bush took over Clinton, Obama took over Bush, Trump took over Obama, Biden took over Trump, and Trump came back to swing it right again. Can't believe I have to point this out. It was painfully obvious how ghoulish and awful the "left" made themselves look for 4 years of Biden (after Trump handed the election on a silver platter by mishandling the economy and fake pandemic on purpose). Then Trump "saved the day" and we're in the midst of 4 years where he, too, tanks the image of the "right" so the "left" comes back to sweep again. Before that Trump took over because the left made themselves look like the "deep state" on purpose to sell his election. Before that, Obama won because Bush was as retarded and warmongering as possible. Dubya won because Clinton cheated on his wife and was impeached. Clinton won because HW presided over a crashing economy and unnecessary war while being former CIA.How can you still care about fake and gay red vs blue politics at this point?
>>21787790You mean just plain, normal milk that humans have been drinking for millennia with no ill effect? The same milk that Nathaniel Rothschild got banned in UK Parliament (the only time he ever was politically active outside his plea for Zionist funding)?>https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1946/apr/10/pasteurization-of-milk>Isn't vitamin D the one you get from sunlight?He said, slackjawed, while calling anons nutjobs. Of course vitamin D is the one from sunlight. Why even ask in a rhetorical manner unless you're trying to be as faggy as possible? As for fortified vitamin D, try looking into how vitamin D (or really any vitamins) were discovered and how, specifically, they were isolated from naturally occurring sources. You wouldn't want fortification in that case.
>>21787815Did you know that Vitamin C (and many other compounds) which are added to foods and sold as supplements were produced with black mold?
>>21783937beans and legumes are cheap to produce, and their crops act as nitrogen fixers in crop rotations.Farmers NEED to spend 1 year growing legumes for every 2 year spend growing cash crops, or they need to greatly increase their expenses on fertilizers.So, yes, it's about money, and about farm efficiency. They NEED people to buy their nitrogen fixer crop or it's a wasted year.
>>21787815we might be arguing with bots in this thread, anon.
>>21787842USDA has just pleged $700 million to address this issue: https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/12/10/usda-launches-new-regenerative-pilot-program-lower-farmer-production-costs-and-advance-maha-agenda
>>21787815>You mean just plain, normal milk that humans have been drinking for millennia with no ill effect?Industrialization changed that. If you were a small farmer personally caring for a small number of cows that you got milk from, yeah there was probably less risk. When your gallon of milk is mixed from hundreds of cows then the risk of disease goes way up. It's the same thing with ground beef, a single steak chopped up isn't much risk, but ground beef that has meat from a number of different cows is riskier. Would raw milk be better if it wasn't contaminated? Probably. There are methods being worked on to make raw milk safer to drink without pastuerization. Is it a Jewish conspiracy to pasteurize milk? No, people have died from unpasteurized milk.
>>21787865This site has a directory where you can get raw milk straight from the source: https://www.realmilk.com/For me it's goat milk
>>21787793As long as anyone is voting red I will attack them. And fuck you for your silly jew conspiracy shit. I KNOW that's what you mean when you indict these "international bankers". You think you're this really great thinker and that the conspiracy shit YOU believe isn't crazy at all. Anyone who believes anything additional (flat earth, lizard people), those guys are crazy. And anyone who rejects the things you do believe is an NPC sheep, like me, right?I understand the pendulum. It's how we got Trump. But I have zero tolerance for the fagwads who were pushed to that extreme. The right is always the more dangerous party. And we're now seeing that as they just dismantle everything and change all the rules now. The chuds who voted Trump seem to think you can punish liberal society (the ones pissing them off) be electing lying grifters who claim they will fight wokeness. But they really can't fight society. Many of you even admit you vote against your own best interests purely for spite. The only party with schizos in it is the GOP.
>>21787851>weSo there are two fucking conspiratards in here arguing for RFK batshit policies? Do you happen to think Bill Gates is evil? Just taking a stab here.
>>21786641>You distrust all of the official authorities now and rely on whatever those rejecting them say. You blindly believe anyone who says the official thing is actually wrong.If American guidelines are going to change under Kennedy, will you believe these new guidelines?You are very, very dumb and super aggressive for no reason.
>>21787957MTG isn't schizo anymore though. She just turned it off last week immediately before retiring. She was just pretending to believe in those "international bankers" space lasers. She's actually sane though. Just in time.How convenient. Thing is, her base and MAGA people don't even care or have a long memory for things that should outrage them. They are so loyal to their tribe that they will forgive anything anyone in it does. Just stubbornly loyal no matter what. Until something. Something will hit THEM at home and if they can't be convinced it was the left (they probably will be though, let's be realistic) they just might take a chance on something different. Hell, they're so dumb that if Kid Rock and Trump turned around and said "Actually, Socialism is good!"Everyone would follow them. Pretty fucked up.
>>21787957How do you account for people who died?
I don't respond to bots asking unrelated questions.
>>21787979You're lucky that I care enough about your health to respond to you at all.
>>21787984I don't even know what you're pushing here. Should I throw out my teflon and ONLY use cast iron? I should buy lard and tallow to cook everything? Stop eating fish because of mercury? Or is all the olive oil FAKE now? Fluoride? MSG? The pasteurization process or the cooking of anything is "killing vital nutrients"?What brand of crazy are you even selling? How, beyond smoking tobacco not being worried about anything I just listed, am I risking my health that you need to care and educate me?
>>21787761>I've checked all the official sources on all of the things you're worried about and it turns out there's no cause for concern.Have you actually checked the studies or just checked what [authority] said about the matter? Because [authority] is not automatically unbiased.
>>21787994You should take care when it comes to the sources for the foods you take. Some people eat additives and live twice as long as you ever will, and some die early of cancer or other complications.>am I risking my health that you need to care and educate me?Yes, you are risking your health.You did ask me how. Do you really want to know?
>>21787790I had raw milk as a child. Was awesome. We spent a holiday at a farmer where we could buy raw milk. We were even able to watch the milking process. Was perfectly safe to drink.
>>21787994I know what you're pushing.
>>21788024The guy is in every thread on /ck/ and /fit/ that is discussing vegetarianism, keto or non mainstream diets. It's always the same. He spergs out as a tactic to make discussing these topics uncomfortable and gets way too invested in his fantasies. You can tell that he isn't even really engaging with anyone here. Nobody brought up teflon or lard or vaccines.
>>21788015>Was perfectly safe to drink.And you can say this because? Raw milk from an individual cow will be safer. Milk from a large number of cows mixed together like most of the milk people drink now is a great way to spread disease if it's not pasteurized.
>>21788005I'm going to tell you right now. If it's something that 19 out of 20 experts believe, I'm going with them. Every fucking time. I get that every hundred years the 20th guy was right after all, but usually not. If you're going to try and tell me that those 19 experts are biased and/or paid off, I don't need to see what you have to teach me. I DO appeal to authority on stuff like this. It's almost always retarded not to. Of course with the internet and social media and widespread distrust, I get that there are a lot of people out there feeling that they're lied to and that we should trust that 20th doctor or whatever they are.I'm not getting on board with that shit. So, what do you think me and all the experts have wrong?
>>21788051That's a lotta words when the answer to my question is no. Little midwit, go back to your teaching job.
>>21788037What ARE you discussing then? Those are things that you people are likely to also have similar feelings on. What does "sperging out" mean? Long and thorough posts? That's a "tactic to make discussing" it uncomfortable?I don't use /fit/. You nuts always think you can tell who you're arguing with. And if you lose enough you will start calling me a bot or some other attack to smear me. Crazies on this site are always pretty similar, and yet you get upset when I lump you in with them. Tell me you don't have a problem with seed oils and teflon then. I know you do. You people sign on for a lot of shit to distrust as soon as you start thinking that way. And after enough time and isolation I promise you WILL get to the bottom of the iceberg with flat earth and lizard people. That's what I keep seeing. Hell, Jim Breuer was once kind of funny and harmless. Now he's a fucking nut who openly says the earth is flat. Should have stuck to getting high and being a couch potato.
>>21788056You just fucking ignore the rest again. I'm destroying your entire mindset and worldview. You still act like you have the truth and I don't want to hear it. YOU'RE crazy. You believe things that are officially untrue and debunked. And you're not willing to argue for yourself. You just tell me I'm dumb for not being crazy. You can't win. We can keep going but you're getting nowhere and you can't back anything up. What are these studies I need to read that will upend everything I think I know about whatever it is?What are you even arguing? Is it milk? Something about beans? Crops? LOL, we aren't even arguing about anything specific. You seem to think I'm missing something though. And I know you're missing something. Some marbles.
>>21788058Have you actually looked at the studies these health authorities base their claims on? That's a yes or no question. Anything else is just you being evasive.
>>21788066What studies? What's the subject? I can't answer your nonspecific question.
>>21788068About the topic of this thread. Not whoever Bill Faggot is.
>>21788071I have no idea about toxic veggies. Sounds like bullshit. I'm gen-x and we didn't have all these allergies and autism spectrums and shit when I was growing up. People were less entitled then. They stayed home, not demanded restaurants clear the kitchen of gluten and nut dust. We didn't have the internet to feed us silly fears and distrust of the systems on which we all rely. So no, I've not studied toxic vegetable theory. But I studied all the other things I brought up because I wanted to be sure. I'm usually going to side with the majority when it comes to expert knowledge. I know a few weeks of intense internet "doing my own research" is never going to make me better informed than my own doctor, who, despite what some claim, is not out to kill me or profit from my sickness.
>>21788071And I don't know who Bill Faggot is either.
>>21788094>no, I've not studied [actual sources]Thanks for being clear on this.>But I studied all the other things I brought upYou are the only one who talked about any of that.>And I don't know who Bill Faggot is either.Why did you bring him up then?
>>21787959>Do you happen to think Bill Gates is evil?>EvilWe've got a genuine retard in here, false alarm
>>21787790Not the heckin’ ILLEGAL milkerino! Anyone intelligent just heats it up at home and enjoys it.>>21787851Some version of a bot, that’s for sure. They’re all over the place
>>21788129I brought up no Bill Faggot. I'm not sure which post you think I did. What are the "actual sources" for your vegetable toxin theory and why do you trust them despite a lack of news that people are dropping dead from eating legal vegetables?I'm glad you don't think the earth is flat or that there are lizard people or that MSG, teflon, seed oils, mercury, pasteurization, cooking food, or fluoride are bad.You may be sane afterall. Good talk.
>>21788164lol, yes, I'm a bot. A self aware one that is better than you at making my points. And I thought you weren't crazy. Nevermind, you're having a conversation with SOFTWARE right now! You're just fine mentally.
>>21788180You have schizoid tendencies. I'm not joking. Get that checked out.There are multiple posters in this thread, yet you keep thinking all posts are from the same person.
>>21783757Gundry It's a fraud and a known scam artist. Some people might choose veganism or vegetarianism for ethical reasons. Some might do it just because of their own personal preference, but an alarming amount of people use it as a cover, not for some political whatever, but as part of an eating disorder. It's pretty easy to cut out a lot of calories when you cut out most sources of fat and carbs. It's pretty easy to give an excuse for why you can't eat something when you have such a strict dietary limit and you're able to say you can't have most processed food because it's not vegan or vegetarian because of some little tiny thing they put in there like gelatin or any other additive. I think that you can be healthy in the long run on a vegetarian diet, but it is very difficult to actually have a well-balanced diet on a vegan lifestyle. Balance is very important. We are omnivores and we are designed to have a diet with a lot of variety. We need a lot of micronutrients and we need a healthy balance of macronutrients.
>>21783787Milk can be good for you, but what fat percentage are we talking about anyway? Adults should not be consuming milk every single day, especially considering most Americans don't know what a serving size is. Most Americans do not know how much eight ounces actually is, and will pour themselves a 12-ounce glass of milk and say milk is totally healthy, meanwhile they're medically obese.
>>21786613Most doctors will tell you with a straight face that obviously most food in the US, which is extremely processed, is bad for you. You should be sticking to Whole Foods. I can't think of any respectable doctors that will tell you to cut out entire food groups or tell you that certain vegetables of all things are bad for you. The dose makes the poison, so plenty of doctors will say, hmm, probably don't eat a living shit ton of nuts, because eventually it will hurt your health. Hmmm, you know, it's not super good for you to consume a pound of leafy greens every single day, but you should consume leafy greens multiple times a week. Most doctors know that you should not be feeding your child breakfast cereal. At all. Most doctors know and will tell you, for the love of God, please stop drinking soda and avoid it. Please stop consuming high fructose corn syrup. Please stop consuming so much vegetable oil.
>>21788205No, I replied to a post claiming my posts were made by a bot. That's not a schizoid tendency.
>>21788226Yeah, except that you told ME that I am not crazy afterall. Only to then retract that when talking to somebody else. And you know, you came into this thread and immediately drifted off into long, emotional rants about teflon haters.
>>21788209>Adults should not be consuming milk every single day,I drink milk every day and I'm not obese. I don't think it's an issue. I would imagine a lot of Americans aren't drinking milk unless it's with cake or cookies or they're dumping a ton of chocolate syrup into it and that's probably more of an issue.
>>21788236Right, but what fat percentage of milk are you drinking? What serving size are you drinking? I add home milk to my coffee every morning, but I only add about 100 to 150 milliliters. But again, I have seen them. I know that most of my American peers are consuming 12 ounce glasses of whole milk every day with breakfast, sometimes as a before bedtime snack also. Sometimes they add in chocolate syrup, sometimes they add in sugar, sometimes they just add that much milk to their coffee. Milk is like bread. There's nothing particularly wrong with it, but some breads have a lot more sugar than others. Some bread has a lot more fat than others and if you're consuming a loaf of bread a day, yeah, you're going to be fat. That's way too much carbs anyway for one person to consume daily. Cheese is good for you, but you should not be consuming a pound of cheese every single day.
>>21788094>I'm gen-x and we didn't have all these allergies and autism spectrums and shit when I was growing up.One of the most famous gen x'ers notably had food issues and it going undiagnosed and improperly treated probably contributed to his death lol
>>21788245Who was that?
>>21788247forgot pic
>>21788180I was implying you glow actually. Just shitting up the board because it’s your job
>>21788234There's nothing dangerous about modern nonstick pans. And even old teflon coated ones were fine if you didn't put them on a rippin' hot burner and just let them get white hot with nothing in them.
>>21788242Whole milk, 1-2 quarts a day.
>>21788251I "glow"? So now I'm not a bot, but a secret agent sent here (paid) to tell you you're wrong while calling you a schizo faggot? LOL, and who exactly pays people to do this "job"? Because I'd LOVE to get paid to post on 4chan. I KNEW you were crazy. That or it's just easier to believe that no one organically disagrees with you. That you're here with like-minded individuals and anyone who doesn't conform to your distrust of everything is working for "THEM". Jesus Christ, you people have infiltrated every fucking board on this website. Stay on /x/ and /pol/ with that shit. >>21788249You mean his stomach issues? That was heroin. At least you don't think his wife or the CIA killed him. You're not THAT nuts. Yet.
>>21788253Post body and activity level
>>21788252Start a threat on teflon pans where you can discuss that.
>>21788094They're definitely were food allergies, and there definitely was autism. It's just that the bar to be considered autistic was essentially being non-functional or very low functional. That guy who had two million dollars worth of trains in his basement and was a permanent bachelor was absolutely autistic, but because he had a job and was functioning within society at least partially, he didn't count. Allergies have gone up because people realize that allergies can be a lot more than just being covered in hives. And on top of that, food has changed. Peanuts have changed, wheat has changed, corn has changed. It's not the same corn, wheat, and peanuts that it was all those decades ago. Honestly, your post kind of reads like someone saying that the Amish don't get diseases or allergies or autism, and the reality is they just don't report any of it. Obviously, they get sick and have birth defects the same way that the rest of us do. But if you don't report it, it looks like nothing bad happens in your community.
>>21788258>You mean his stomach issues? That was heroin.He had those issues before the heroin. He said for a long time he drank milk to soothe his stomach and he was always very thin while claiming to never be able to gain weight. Very classic signs of something similar to celiac disease. >At least you don't think his wife or the CIA killed him. Lol. No, I don't buy into those theories.
