Bong baker says that Mexican bread is SHIT.He’s kinda right though, Mexican bread and pastries are so chalky , dry and dense, a bit like biting into stale bread. https://apnews.com/article/british-baker-hart-mexico-bread-social-media-outrage-5b2f23a36f9f714f4d4c96e1509b43a5#
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They’re supposed to be used the day they’re made, preferably within a few hours. It doesn’t surprise me a bong chef is too retarded to know this.
>>21790717He is right. Mexicans aren't good bakers in general. Idk why people apologize after shit like this.
>>21790725Isn’t this typically the case with most breads? Best if eaten right away?
>>21790729Yes. Again, bongs are retards.
>>21790729Yes, and even when it's fresh, Mexican bread and pastries suck ass. Churros are pretty good though
>>21790732>t. retarded bong
>>21790725>>21790738lmao seething Juan. Sorry but your pastries are trash
>>21790738Name one fucking bread or pastry you could size up to literally anything any European country puts out
>>21790741The humble bolillo. Your basic workhorse bread that covers 90% of anything needing bread. Comparable to a French roll. Also universally dirt cheap because there’s no pretense of being ‘artisanal’– like all bread, it’s ‘just bread’.
>>21790717because you are supposed to eat them with hot coffee.
>>21790748Bolillos kinda suck though. They always taste like industrially made bread products you find wrapped up in grocery stores.
>>21790749That’s the thing with good bread, it tastes great on its own
>>21790748French rolls aren't expensive and are still far and away better. Mexican bread and pastries suck dude. It's fine to admit. They make a lot of good shit, but baking is not their strong suit
>>21790717Mexican food is fucking shite in general nobody would give a fuck if they didn't border America and America hadn't improved all of their dishes.
>>21790760Mexican food is really good. Their baking and candy making is not.
>>21790751Wrong. Maybe actually go to a Mexican bakery next time bonger.>>21790756I’ll let you in on a secret: it’s the same bread.
>>21790763I'll let you in on a secret, it's not. The level of baker and quality of ingredients and yeast is completely different. It's like saying American pizza is the same as Italian pizza
>>21790755 it's not fair to say it's bad because it's meant to compliment a hot drink. it's like eating Biscotti for the first time and not liking it because you ate it by itself instead of dipping in hot coffee.
>>21790768See you’re falling for the artisan fallacy. The only difference you see is who made the bread, because the bread itself is the same bread. Dumbass baka retard.
>>21790762Mexican cuisine is incredibly shallow. just the three same ingredients presented in different ways: tortilla, meat and salsa>tacos: tortilla meat salsa>tamal: tortilla meat salsa>enchilada: tortillas meat salsa>pozole: meat and salsa, usually eaten with tostada, which is just fried/baked tortilla>menudo: meat and salsa, usually eaten with tortilla>birria: meat and salsa>chilaquiles: fried tortilla with meat and salsa>ceviche: meat and salsa and tostada>etc etc
>>21790763I’ve been to Mexico many times, Mexico City, Oaxaca, Tijuana, Guadalajara, and tried many bakeries. I’m disappointed every time
>>21790726My first time going into a Mexican bakery was heartbreakingYou walk into any other culture or nationalities bakery, expectations set for some yummy sweet treatsYou walk into a Mexican bakery with that same expectation and get met with 50 variations of the exact same dry crusty sweetbread, those weird massive oblong-instead-of-round croissants that aren't lamented properly but look professionally unprofessional somehow, another 50 variations of 'Color Cookie', and everything else is some ambiguous amorphous atrocity coated in a thick layer of powdered sugar or sprinkles
>>21790726He apologized because he owns a bakery in mexico lol. Probably not a good idea to insult the country you’re running your business in
Bolios are amazing when they are fresh , the next day they lose the magic Day three they are inedible.The flour they use does not have enough gluten.Expats from the western world living in Mexico jump on any chance to get better high gluten bread and are willing to pay plenty for it.But if you visit mexico for the bakeries you are a fool. Go to mexico for tacos and seafoodAlso if anyone is curious, they dont have pickles or relish in the grocery stores.No one eats real butter Only americans make half and half , the rest of the world does not get it at all.Eggs are on the counter The veg selection is fresh and amazing everywhereThey fucking love yogurts of any kind but put way too much sugar in them.They are addicted to sugar and its killing themIf you ask for directions and they dont know what you are talking about, or where the place is they will just make something up because its rude to say you dont know
>>21790776If you think the only difference is who's making it, you know absolutely nothing about mexico
went to Pastelería Ideal and was impressed, other than that their baked goods are pretty sub-paryes I am british
>>21790748>>21790763>>21790776damn juan really got hurt by the truth
>>21790717 I live in Southern California, and bread culture is such a huge part of Mexican life here. There’s countless bread shops, they really get into the bread thing. I’m not a huge fan of bakeries and bread in general, so I might not be the best to comment on this, but it boggles my mind how Mexicans can be so obsessed with bakeries, and they suck. The food is fantastic, personally I think it’s the best, but bread that’s Intresting his input. I wonder what makes him think he’s some final judge of what is good and not good baking.
>>21791127Because Europe is the pinnacle of baking. From bread to pastries to souffle, you name it. There isn't another continent that has a better baking culture than europe
He's not wrong. But more inaccurate. Mexican bread, dulce or otherwise, is meant to be CHEAP and consumed on the day it was made. Otherwise, you dip it; it also keeps for a long time. At least four days in my experience. >>21790787>50 variations of the exact same dry crusty sweetbread, those weird massive oblong-instead-of-round croissants that aren't lamented properly but look professionally unprofessional somehow, another 50 variations of 'Color Cookie', and...They are all variations of the same three types of dough, yes. It's cheaper to make the same shit into different shapes and with different toppings or food coloring. The cookies, every single one, is the same dough with different food coloring. The cones are the same puff pastry as picrel but filled with vanilla pudding. Guayabas, conchas, and magdalenas are all the same exact dough with different toppings.>they make tortas on theseMost of them actually aren't industrially made because they don't have to be. It's just the same exact cheap dough, every time. Just every baker claims to do it differently some how.
>>21790717He is right. Mexicans have lots bakeries but they make sweet breads and cake, they are far far worse than the US in regards to regular breads. I do like tortas but the bread does not stand out as it does in say, banh mi.
>>21791127Same. It's pointless getting autistic about pan dulce and bakeries regardless of which side of the border you're on. I mostly pay attention to the varieties. If a bakery reliably has piedras, it'll make it a preference.
>>21790789>Probably not a good idea to insult the country you’re running your business inIt's the typical bong expat way, wherever they are in the world. He's just sad now because he's catching shit for it and it's affecting his business.
>be balding bong soilord>get ethnically replaced in your shitty island>flee like a rat in a sinking ship and migrate to third world shithole with any remaining money you have>start acting like an estrogenic millenial snob with mantits about bread or some shit nobody cares about>local thirdies take it personally and socially lynch you online>backtrack like the bitch you are and publicly apologize to avoid going bankrupt
>>21791165>puff pastry filled with vanilla puddingthat sounds pretty bomb i can't lie
>>21790762>Mexican food is really good.Literally the only "Mexican" food that is edible is TexMex. The rest is unhygenic slapped-together slop that always ends up being majority rice-and-beans or American junk food. British cuisine unironically blows it out of the water.
Their pastries are dry as shit I only like the molasses pig cookies because it's the only ones that you don't need coffee or milk to eat.Pretty sure most of their bakeries are just fronts for drug trafficking. Whenever I go into a Mexican bakery I'm always the only person there.
>>21790732>ChurrosChurros are Iberian.
bolillo rolls are good but they're probably not very good for you
>>21790717100% certified correct. Mexican bread is shite. It's basically aped from the West and they are not good at it. Tortilla is the only thing they do right when it comes to bread products. Mexican food is also kinda meh, that is why Tex-Mex and Cali-Mex exist, they both improved the original shitshow that is Mexican cuisine by improving techniques/ingredients. The main problem Mexico collectively sucks at handling beef. Seafood, chicken they can handle. But they ALWAYS overcook beef. It's also kinda limited, which is why the US was able to generate not one, but two regional cuisines off it. Texas basically combined bbq and beef handling techniques with Mexican to make Tex-Mex and CA added pretentious shit to it to make Cali-Mex. You won't see a pickled onion south of the border, but it will be on various tacos north of the border.
>>21790717>Balding dude with excessive abdominal fat, beard, glasses, and tattoos on his forearm.Stop embarrassing yourself, nobody is going to listen to you.
Europeans think if their bread tastes like mold and looks like a sponge it is high cuisine lol
There's not a good sausage, pastry and bread culture in latinoamerica.We were poor (our recipes are old, when we we're poor) and never focused on that
>>21790780>just the three same ingredients presented in different ways: tortilla, meat and salsaand thats all you need bubba. stick to your faggy snail soup and onion soup.
>>21790717>go to a third world country >complain about the quality of food
>>21791601Tex mex is dog shit. They just smother somehow cheaper cuts of meat in cheese and sour cream. Mexican food already used cheap cuts yet somehow Americans wanted cheaper and shittier.
>>21791884>They just smother somehow cheaper cuts of meat in cheese and sour cream.But not before seasoning the shit out of those cheap cuts of meat in ground cumin, garlic powder, msg, and ground oregano. They don't do that in Mexico.
I hate mexican food it’s complete shit and it all tastes the same. The only thing worth eating is moles
>>21790787This. Mexican pastries are just the same fucking thing but in different shapes and colors
>>21791966All pastry is just variations of butter and flour if you insist on being this reductionist.
>>21791187For tortas, the bread is really just a vehicle for the other ingredients and is typically the worst part of the dish.
>>21791876What are they depicting here? A fried egg, black pudding, and toast with Marmite?
>>21791868Still better than your cuisine, paco
I usually just dip bolillos in coffee with lactose free milk. They're not as oily as pan dulce. All pan dulce is made with margarine for the moisture.
>>21790717>literally who goes to 3rd world shithole>finds poor people using low cost ingredients (literally the basis for Mexican cuisine)>talks shit about it later on some literally who podcast>somehow gets talked about in every low IQ blog and news siteThis guy looks Jewish and this is just a paid publicity stunt. A literal ad for a useless retard "baker".
>>21792022Also an ad for Mexican bread aimed towards world cup travelers.
>>21790724He's gonna end up chainsawed & used as filling in those tortas isn't he?
>>21791902You're right, they use better seasoning and herbs in mexico
Our bakery is better than all tesco pastry shit. Churros > sausage roll
>>21792277Churros aren’t even Mexican lmao
>>21792163i want one of those cartel style beheading videos, but its just him being forced to eat 10 loaves of mexican bread at gunpoint by masked men
>>21790717Except that bollilos, the roll that tortas are served on, is the only exception to the rule. Has this gringo never actually had a torta?
>>21790717I was in my local Mexican store yesterday. They have cool stuff. But they also have huge plastic storage crates filled with gross looking colored breads. Not cupcakes or pastries, but like, baked bread with something going on. Like the pink ones in this pic >>21790724I kind of sniffed in there and moved on. I don't eat a lot of carbs so I'm not wasting them on that. I like corn stuff, but I've never been impressed by Mexican baked goods. What was that stuff I was seeing? It's like the weird hollow sesame bread at Pho places. I'm not really interested because it doesn't look good and they're not known for baking.
>>21792796Nevermind. Conchas. I looked them up. Still not interested. Too dense to be sweet. Too sweet to be dense. I don't want it. Give me an airy or fatty type of thing, and much smaller.
>>21792787He probably doesn't know the difference between bolillo, telera, and birote. Or how autistic people from jalisco are about the way that THEY make birotes.
>>21792799Conchas are leavened, soft, and spongy but they do tend to be greasy. The frosting on the top is actually just corn starch, food coloring, sugar, and margarine (traditionally, lard). Color aside, it's not even flavored and they reuse it all the time. Never pay more than 79¢ usd or $15 mxn for a concha.
>>21792813Gross! Now I want one even less. It looks like Play Doh, FFS. I don't know how fresh they were either. Not for me. I LOVE Mexican foods but I'm not a big dessert or bread guy anyway.
I made pan dulce recently using a mucho authentico recipe and brother I was pissed with how shitty they were. It's like a really half assed brioche that they usually cover in this paste >>21792813 to make it "edible" to the diabetic beaner palate. Despicable shit
>>21792819The cookies are all the same shit too: powdery, sugary, colorful, but same fucking vanilla flavor. Anglo and US cultures do them better with more variety at least. Artisan chocolate chip cookies aren't even a thing in Mexico, much less oatmeal raisin. They just know the packaged chokis and trikis trakes.
>>21792787Bolillos are incredibly mediocre. You just never really notice when you’re eating tortas because of all the other ingredients between them. That’s pretty much representative of all Mexican food though. Slathering everything in spice and salsa to cover up the shit ingredients
>>21793182This. Why would anyone get a fucking 'torta' when there are burritos and tacos? Those are what they know, what they do well. That bread is always dry and chewy but not in a good way. And hardly anyone's ordering it so it's not as fresh.
>>21793189>That bread is always dry and chewy but not in a good way. And hardly anyone's ordering it so it's not as fresh.That's actually a good thing: it's cheap, keeps for a long fucking time, and sops grease and juices from meat without falling apart. Even if you squeeze some lime or lemon, it holds.There's room for innovation and improvement, but Mexican bread is supposed to be cheap or "economical."
people aren't taking account what the environment the pastries are being made in.
>>21793714>cheap or economicalIn other words, it’s shit
what an idiot I'm not saying his business deserves to get vandalized and fire bombed, but he should've seen it coming.
>>21790717how is this even controversial?who thinks mexico has a bread culture? their traditional grain is corn
Damn the beaner defence force is really mad about this one. Sorry Juan but your baking is shit.
>>21794141mexico was a colony for a very long time, anon. They have an indigenous culture alongside the various cultures that ended up there, like the Spanish. Spain does indeed have a "bread culture" and there's a reason Tortas are so prevalent in Mexico proper. Similar to how Vietnam integrated some French technique into how they make bread. Most people end up experiencing it through the Banh Mi.Not complicated.
This is what white people think is superior to Mexican bread by the way
>>21790725I'm sorry dude but I'm Cuban and live in South Florida with Mexican friends and Mexican places everywhere. Mexican breads and pastries are dry as fuck, even at the crack of dawn. My Mexican friends swear by them but I think it's just nostalgia with them.
>>21794079I can think of a worse cheap bread that originated elsewhere. A certain country north of Mexico.
>>21790717Mexico is not a fancy bakes countryIs servicible enough and it's supposed to be cheap as dirt, to be had with coffee/drinks in the morningIf anything, despite not being a fan of my own coutry breads if can say a lot of expensive pastries are fine and allIt's like hating Japan for not having a fine wine cultureSuch a weird fixation to have if you really feel this
>>21793189>burritosYou are a damn retard>why would you have a sandwich when you can have fried pie?
>>21794184From what I can understand, with an outsider looking in perspective, a lot of mexican dishes tend to be very wet and very loaded, so a hardy, stable bread will be able to keep structure much easier. There is always a risk of the sandwich falling apart when there's too much in it or too many wet components, which isn't really a problem with Tortas
This must be some californian gay ass nigmerican thing: no one gives a fuck about bread in Latam
>>21794184its chicanos that usually do that shit. also, they force themselves to like it because if they don't then their families / community will tell them that they aren't mexican enough or something
>>21794257>>21794171>>21794079>>21793189>>21791884>>21792238damn Paco really is upset lmao
>>21794268Could’ve fooled me, with all the asshurt beaners in this thread
>>21794600>chicanoNah, that's straight up cholo shit. Nobody on either side of the border likes them or wants anything to do with them. They're a dying breed. Regular Mexican-Americans who just live normal day to day lives don't give a fuck.
>>21794178Unironically mogs all Mexican food
>>21794178No we don't, fool.
>>21794281Some of those are shitting on Mexican bread. You aren't even paying attention. We are making fun of "Paco", retard.
>be bong>insert yourself in foreign land>talk shit for no real gain or reason >be absolutely bamboozled when people tell you to fuck offmany such cases
>>21794897Not just that, but he has an inflated ego after a magazine called him the best baker in the world. A magazine his wife owns.
>>21794897lmao based colonizer making turd-worlders seethe
>>21794979>seetheYou're an idiot. I know everything about you based on that you're a racist and you use stupid 4chan buzzwords. I bet you often call things "based" too.You will never have sex.
>>21794992haha, I missed it. You DID used based in that very post. "Cope" then. That's the other one you use. Funny how you use no punctuation or rules of the language. That hyphen must have really taken effort.
Hell of a lot of Americans seething here.
>>21794171Europe has easily the best bread culture in the world and it isn't even close by any metric. The idea that mexican baking is even 50% of what you can find in spain is insulting to spain. Yes, they were a colony and inherited some bread from Europe as well as creating a few of their own, usually by blending traditional foods with European ingredients, but this pales in comparison to the millennia of European baking.Even America, with all its wealth, education, and immigration, does not manage to match singular European countries in bread and I am not simply some naive hater who thinks America sucks at everything.
>>21794171Vietnamese baking still pales in comparison to French baking.
>>21790780bait used to be believable
They’re dry because they’re meant to be dipped in coffee or that weird hot chocolate thing they do because they think it makes them more Aztec or whatever
>>21790717>>21790724Thats a jew being a jew as usual nigga porbably only eats flat bread fucker
>>21795521>no counter argument>I know, I’ll just accuse it of being baitYou lost
>>21790717>broken clockBongs are drooling retards when it comes to food, but in this instance he's right... The only baking Messkins can manage is weed.
>>21790748The humble bolillo is shit, wonder bread for the masses, fucking plain bread with shitty after taste, soggy after 2 seconds, how hard is to accept facts when they insult your "culture".
>>21792277Churros are Spaniards my fellow beaner.
Churros are deep fried, not baked goods. Pendejos.
>>21796427Donuts are fried too. Still a pastry
This guy went to Richard Hart's bakery and spent $250 mxn (~$13.96 usd) on a small loaf of tough rye with seeds and a puff pastry with mystery cream.tl;dw: the rye was tough and chewy with greasy seeds and the puff pastry itself was finely made but not memorable. Then he compares it to a similar pastry from an actual Mexican bakery.https://youtu.be/SBP8W2QHXI4
>>21796687Is this angry Joe?
>>21796754No
Beans on bread English :-/Beans on bread Mexican :-D
>>21797367Mexicans usually put other stuff in addition to the beans, little timmy
>>21790717Why are Mexicans so angry when they get free education? You lot still need a little civilization to be implemented upon you.Now if I were to ask about cartels, drugs and murders I am sure they can give you a Masterclass thewe spicsoids
>>21796687NYA but this guy looks like he brings guys over to fuck his wife
>>21794178>>21794992>>21795521>>21798440its fun seeing 3rdies still seething. please continue malding
>>21790717I'll say that Mexican breads vary vastly in quality. I love things like the pumpkin breads and guava breads and 'cheesecake' and corn cakes and cuernitos but other stuff like the famous conchas aren't that great. That said it seems standard for a lot of people to expect to eat their bread dipping it in coffee or milk and that's actually how I grew up eating it. When that is a popular expectation that probably affects the recipes and what people consider to be acceptable. I stopped dipping my bread in coffee at some point but my mom and grandma will still only eat their bread that way no matter how good the bread is by itself.
>>21794262It's their sweet breads too, not just their sandwich breads. And I find it really telling there's a whole thread for it
>>21798447>bongs>educating anyone on anything food relatedlel
