Wh-why are you putting me in that po-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Thankfully this would never happen to my pet lobster -- he's just in a warm bath right now because he got a little dirty after I walked him to the beach.
>>21797140>CANT STOP WONT STOP
I've never boiled lobster or crabs before, is there actually any benefit from just chucking them into boiling water alive and wriggling or is it just for the added delicious flavor of cruelty? Yes I'm aware they're basically bugs and have no thoughts.
>>21797170There's no point in killing them beforehand, it's extra effort that only disfigures your food
>>21797175>disfigures your foodDon't see how making a small snip or cut at the head changes much of anything. You don't eat that part of the crab and if you want to get at that area of the lobster then you're making that cut anyway. If you're too lazy to then that's fine but don't pretend you're improving your food in any way.
>>21797183You are just too young and stupid and liberal leftist to understand
>>21797183The suffering makes the meat taste better.
>>21797140god I wish that were me
>>21797170shellfish starts going bad the moment the animal dies. that 5-10 seconds before going into the pot could cost you your life
>>21797175This! Same reason why you should torch dogs alive. No unsighty holes.
>>21797156>This is MY sauce, it was made for ME!
>>21797294it actually makes it taste worse by developing off flavors and making it tougher and drier
>>21797156someone post the crab free will gif
>>21797431Actually it makes no difference in the flavor if you do it right before cooking, but they can’t think or feel pain anyway so it doesn’t matter just boil them alive.
>>21797434>but they can’t think or feel painThat would be really convenient but it's probably not true. Every time people claim something doesn't feel pain it's eventually disproven. Some people claimed no animals at all feel pain or that it's okay to perform surgery on conscious babies.
>>21797442Ok. Animals and babies aren’t bugs.
>>21797442>probably not trueIt's been confirmed time after time.Anyways these people are sociopaths and retards "durr hurr this complex organism with survival instincts and a brain can't possibly have sensory information"probably the same people who try to pull a Gotcha on vegans because of that one study that showed that mowed grass produced some sort of grass pheromone as proof that eating plants is cruelty - but somehow eating even more advanced organisms in often the most cruel ways possible isn't even more advanced cruelty.
>>21797461lobsters don't have brains though...
>>21797362That's why you toss it in within four seconds.
Do you worry about a mosquito being able to feel pain before you smack it?
>>21797474They don't have a centralized brain, and they still feel pain.
How do you “prove” that a lobster can feel pain?
lobsters demonstrably have a preference for comfortable conditions and seek to avoid pain/discomfort>>21797488the difference is mosquitos attack and kill people all the time
>>21797501Evidence of Pain Perception in LobstersNervous System Structure: Lobsters possess a decentralized nervous system that includes nociceptors, which are specialized sensory receptors that detect harmful stimuli such as heat and chemicals. This suggests that they have the biological capacity to perceive pain. Behavioral Responses: Research indicates that lobsters exhibit behaviors consistent with pain perception. For example, they may withdraw from harmful stimuli or avoid situations associated with pain. Studies have shown that lobsters will rub and groom areas of their body that have been exposed to noxious stimuli, a behavior recognized as an indicator of pain in many animals. Physiological Reactions: When lobsters are subjected to painful stimuli, they display physiological changes, such as increased heart rate and stress responses. These reactions further support the idea that they experience pain.
>>21797488People smack mosquitos because they are predatory pests, at best they leave you with an an annoying rash and at worst they leave you with some sort of terminal brain disease.Because we are impossibly large and tall giants, smacking a mosquito with minimal effort is an instant death and not at all like being boiled alive.Also no one's eating mosquitoes, for the most part.
>>21797442They have no area in the brain to feel pain. They don't even have a brain. Instead, they're incredibly sensitive to stress - they don't operate on mere reflexes. Stressed animals produce terrible meat, and in this case: horrible meat. They're the ocean's cleaners. Their digestive enzymes are so fierce and robust that they begin to digest the animal itself the moment it dies, causing all sorts of bacteria to flourish and toxins to concentrate. Paralytic shellfish poisoning is a thing. If you boil it, you get rid of bacteria and you denature the harmful enzymes.There are 2 options to kill them "humanely" (not sure why this applies to non-humans): either use a CrustaStun to kill them or put them in salted ice water for 30 minutes (they go into hibernation mode) right before you boil them. Once you boil them you have to serve them immediately. Their muscles contract far more than in meat or poultry, they squeeze out all the juices. That's why you can't store or freeze them: they become tough and lose their flavour. Reheating them only makes things worse.tl;dr: don't waste your money on frozen lobster or canned crab
>>21797539>They have no area in the brain to feel painSpoken like a true neuroscientist
>>21797170I've boiled crabs and clams. There's no reason not to, they just sit there and die not even kidding. It's extra effort to kill them 'humanely' beforehand and an unnecessary risk
>>21797140I eat meat, fish etc..., but I would NEVER kill anything myself and eat it. This makes my karma clean as fuck, unlike a majority of this worlds population
>>21797503A lobster attacked and killed my mom.
I swear this thread is full of fucking lobsters pushing an agenda.
>>21797503>mosquitos attack and kill peopleOnly female mosquitos drink blood, and they do so in order to reproduce. They are single moms trying to have kids to keep their communities alive. Why are you blaming mosquitos for how God/the Universe made them?
If lobsters can’t express emotion then it doesn’t matter if they can feel pain.
>>21797686they do express that they're in pain and it's obvious if you're not an absolute retardsorry that you're an absolute retard
>>21797170Its almost instant like using a knife
>>21797708They express that they can feel pain. They do not express that they can feel happy, sad, mad, etc. So it does not matter that they can feel pain.
>>21797764retard
>>21797780No, go ahead. Explain to me why it matters if a bug that cannot be happy, sad, etc is in pain.
>>21797708>they do express that they're in pain and it's obvious if you're not an absolute retardWhat are you, some kind of fucking fag?
>>21797804>>21797809remarkably low effort post
>>21797614most people in this "debate" think "food comes from the store" and the idea that a meat or seafood was once alive is TMI, a most vulgar conversation that doesn't belong at the dinner table
>>21797951This is a retard-brain argument. Of course cows, pigs, chickens are basically tortured in industrial farms to make meat. Here’s the thing though, I’m not going to stop eating meat. It tastes good. If that’s how it’s produced that’s none of my business.
>>21797998Ok, have fun killing each oyster individually, oh wait you think seafood is "yucky"
>>21798001??? I’m arguing in favor of boiling lobsters alive because I like seafood???
>>21797998>that’s none of my business.it results in lower quality products and facilitates the spread of disease which doesn't care if it's your business or not. it affects you even if you just want to bury your head in the sand.
>>21798007I’m not “burying my head in the sand”. I’m eating the meat. I am literally acknowledging that it’s happening. I’m just not doing anything about it. I’m biting into an all pork hotdog while watching sows stand around for days in cages too small for them to turn or lay down in. I can’t do anything about it unless I go out of my way to buy from known ethical farmers for considerably more money. I can’t afford that, so I’m going to continue buying the torture meat.
>>21797951Idk why people can't have the most basic of sympathy for a living creature. At minimum, I feel like it's your duty as a living soul who is able to feel pain to make a creature's death as quick and painless as possible. Especially if you're going to eat it and it's going to provide you with sustenance. Even if there is debate on whether or not said creature can feel pain. I think humans would behave differently around food and give more basic respect to animals if we had to raise and kill them ourselves. I'm by no means an animal rights activist or trying to stop anyone from eating meat and fish, but I think it's important to have some respect for the animals it comes from.
>>21798007Yess that’s why conversations like this matter at all.Why doesn’t America value quality like other places? I don’t care if someone doesn’t care about a cows feelings but, acknowledging the experience of the cow and prioritizing raising healthy happy cows does produce a higher quality product. I know the same is true enough for fish based on factory farmed vs fresh caught fish.This is pretty tangential to the short time difference between killing lobster right before boiling but I wanted to rant about it.
>>21798010>I can’t afford that,that's something worth mentioning sooner instead of just saying it's not your business
>>21797434You know it's funny, Asians say this shit about octopuses. The Greeks did too.
>>21797446Do you think they're fucking plants?
>>21798063I think they’re bugs.
All life is equal to me.My only regret is I can't boil humans.
>>21798073I mean, you can.
>>21798073Lying fatass
>durrrr animal evolved to react to stimuli to not die No shit. It's still a stupid animal that will die if it gets too big to molt
>>21797170Honestly, boiling is the shittiest way to prepare lobster. You really should be knife dispatching, then gutting their meat out and grilling them. SO much better. Or at least broil them like the cruise ships do - that is also a tasty as fuck method. The only boiling a lobster should see is when you are making lobster stock from the shell bits. Also this applies to shrimp, boiled shrimp is the worst method.
>>21798073do it faggot
who gives a shit if they feel pain or not. back when we were still water-dwelling fish, these hard body bugs were maiming us. even now they are snipping our family. matter of fact i care if they feel pain or not, and i hope they do feel pain.
>>21798405lobsters never stop growing and one day there will be one too big for us to stop and it'll snip your testicles right off
>>21797201Cooklet tears of cope
>>21797156Someone please post suicide krill
>>21797170The best way to kill crabs is to flip them on their back to expose their stomach and attack it's weak point for massive damage.
how to make good hash brown
Lobsters aren’t real.
>>21797504They're not made in the image of God and don't have a soul. They don't feel pain.
>>217985751. get some hash2. brown it
>>21797503>a preference for comfortable conditions and seek to avoid pain/discomfortSo do plants. How is this supposed to make me think that I shouldn't boil shellfish alive?
>>21798889>plants>pain
>>21798931Are you denying that plants have a preference for comfortable conditions and seek to avoid discomfort?
>>21798933plants don't have a brain or nerves. it's not really "discomfort" by the standard of animals
>>21798933no, i'm saying plants don't feel pain the way animals do. there would be no benefit.you should still avoid killing plants or stressing them when possible though imo
im an eternal live boiler>im going to boooooil the crayfish alive
>>21798556got you brother. merry christmas anon!
>>21799143Thanks bro, merry christmas
>>21797432this?
>>21798569Thats how I wanna go
>>21798741We don't have a soul either, faggot
>>21799257soulless athiest
>>21799216fake and gay
Lobsters have decentralised nervous systems, they don't have one brain but lots of small brains all over their bodyStabbing it in the head doesn't actually kill it, just paralyzes it.
>>21797828>remarkably low effort postResponding to some fag advocating for sea insects doesn't deserve anything more.
