>>21812759
>what do they do better than regular stuff
make the poors seethe

they last better, Lodge is shit
/thread

The real question is whether it’s best to just get a staub

>>21812759
LeCrueset and Staub are the highly rated brands, but if your budget is crap, try out a offbrand, tramontina from costco, even amazon brand for a while and see if you should take on a more expensive version. To be fair, a lot of skillets are now ceramic coated since the food police gave teflon nonstick a bad name.

>>21812759

+15% potiness

You can pour liquid in it and it stays inside. Wow!
But really, it's cast iron and LeCreuset is kinda a premium brand. Cast iron is more expensive but a lot is just brand.

>>21812832
Why is cast iron even more expensive? Its way easier to produce than stainless steel and the coated stuff isnt it?

I'm about to order a stainless steel dutch oven and throw out my enameled cast iron one. I'm going for stainless steel everything. Cast iron is obsolete.

>>21812844

In our time not really.
Back centuries ago forging steel into a pot would have taken a lot of work by the smith, but today machines can do that with ease in minutes.
Cast iron has be - well - cast. Meaning taking the form, pouring in the liquid hot iron and waiting for it to cool. And then cleaning the raw piece coming out. It inherently takes a lot more time even if not done by hand.

>>21812759
I got a 5 l one for christmas once from an ex gf. I'm pretty happy with it. She paid 270€ because she wanted a teal one. I would've bought an ugly grey one for 160€ too. And for that money it wouldn't even be that overpriced.

>>21812847
Why?

>>21812853
Interdasting, should i start manufacturing cast iron and ceramic cookingware and kitchenstuff and get fucking rich?

>>21812879
I inherited my enameled dutch oven and it already wasn't in great shape when I got it. At this point some of the enamel has chipped off the bottom, exposing the cast iron underneath. It's just time to replace it.

I have found stainless steel to be the superior material for every cooking application, so I'm going with that instead of another of the same.

i have my grammas le cruset and its fucking awesome but i dont think the new ones are as good

>>21812820
Basically the same price at this point

>>21812820
>>21812916
At the same price Staub is always the better choice. If your preferred Le Creuset color is at least 100 bucks cheaper it's worth a thought. Just pick a color for both brands first and then decide how big the pot should be, then wait for a sale

>>21812759
Le Creuset has some of the best customer service, warranties, and replacement policies in the game in addition to making a high quality product. They're not some fly by night Asian supplier with a name that sounds like rolling your face on the keyboard.

>>21812820
Kek true. I think Staub also goes on sale more often. I just prefer a light colored enamel.

>>21812827
I feel like the real bad values are stuff like MadeIn and the mid tier enameled cast iron, especially with how often Le Creuset and Staub go on sale. I think they offer famse value. You're paying for something that won't crack the enamel if you drop a spatula, and a good replacement policy if you do.

>>21812859
he wasn't using it as a crutch because he couldn't articulate his thought, it was an appropriate use for emphasis, leaving it out would have made the sentence more unpleasant and pedantic sounding, like you probably do most of the time

>>21812844
Staub and Le Creuset Cast Iron is so expensive because it weighs a lot and it can break so overseas shipping is really expensive compared to stainless steel. The same pots are not nearly as expensive in Europe for that exact reason. Iphones for example are significantly more expensive here than in America

>>21812759
Staub and Le Creuset are both really high quality, but Staub is usually a much better deal.
not only it's generally less expensive, but it has a few advantages too:
>dark enameled interior has better non-stick performances compared to the Le Creuset's creme colored one
>heavier = better heat retention
>self-basting spikes on the bottom part of the lid (LC is smooth)
In short, only buy Le Creuset if you find a great deal or you particularly like to color or the light tinted interior.
And yeah, they're clearly better than the cheap Chinese made alternatives. They can last for a lifetime with minimal care.

>>21812759
you can get similar quality to le creuset for cheaper but you know you will get a great product from le creuset
cheap cookware can have a host of issues from poor heat distribution and construction to microplastics and peeling paint
when you buy a quality article it will last longer than you so in the fullness of time it's well worth it

>>21812844
bare cast iron is one thing, and it's supposed to be inexpensive, but french cocottes are made of enameled cast iron. To create a durable enamel coating that doesn't chip easily and is scratch resistant is not a cheap or easy task.

>>21812759
Yes, it's worth it, but mostly if you snipe it on clearance sales. Paying full price is retarded.

What size is the best to get? I want to cook sour dough bread and I also make beef bourguignon and stews a couple times a month.

>>21813094
Get at least 6.5 quart. 9 is better.

>>21813102
Ok ty I think I’m going to get the 7 qt staub

>>21813094
>What size is the best to get?
How many people do you cook for? Will you freeze "leftovers"? Bigger isn't always better because these things are really fucking heavy so cleaning the bigger ones isn't exactly fun

>>21813136
I cook for four people normally but have parties a couple times a year where I end up making stews on the stove top since I only have a stainless steel pot and it has plastic handles.

>>21812759
Is it nice? Yes.
Is it worth it? No.

>>21813143
Yea, sounds like the 7 qt will be fine then, just keep in mind that it's 14 pounds. The slightly smaller Staub might work too but not if you cook for more than 4-5 people

>>21812820
Staub is the best one anyway. the rough black enamel is just superior for cooking and longevity. the walls are thicker than LC so it retains heat better also.

Le Creuset Cast Iron is so expensive because each mold is unique and it is destroyed in the demolding process.

>>21813248
I'm pretty sure that's the case for anything cast in iron, since they use sand molds. LC is just a premium brand with better quality control and customer support.

>>21813290
Le Creuset wouldn't need customer service in the first place if their dutch ovens were built like Staubs

>>21812759
it's only worth if you know how to cook and know how to takecare of it imho, not a beginner's pot even though it is fairly easy to use

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>>21812884
As long as you get stainless steel with an encapsulated bottom.

100% stainless steel won't have as even heating, you got to have that chunk of aluminum inside the base for best results.

>>21812759
>Is it really worth it?
If it lasts the rest of your life, is it really expensive?

>>21813837
Why wont a cheap cast iron one last? Why wont a cheap stainless steel one last?
Also, same question but this time toothbrushes

>>21812827
I have an amazon one and a le creucet and frankly for the $300 price difference you would never know in a blind taste test.

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>>21812759
I have an IKEA 365+ steel pan and it does really well. Cooked chicken, eggs, sauces, curries on it. I bought a Lodge enameled Dutch oven and it's going pretty good. Btw cast iron is gay and a waste of time

>>21813963
I have switched to almost all stainless pans they are way better...easier to clean and take care of. I have an enamel Lava skillet but I never find myself using it.

>>21813607
How much did you pay?

>>21813909
assuming they last the first few years they will probably be good for at least a decade but they eventually chip or crack and once cracked they are garbage
moreover you simply have an inferior experience the entire time
if you can't see why then you might as well use a barrel to cook with
>Also, same question but this time toothbrushes
you're retarded

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>>21812759
It's a pot.
I have not heard a convincing argument as to why they're supposed to be better than stainless.
One point with some validity was that the heavy lid offers a better seal, but if you're cooking something for several hours, you can afford to check on it every hour or so and add a couple of tablespoons of water.
You don't need the thermal mass in the oven, and on the stovetop stainless will perform better. Plus you can scratch at it with metal utensils and scouring pads.

>>21812759
that is an absolutely ridiculous price, you could get the exact item or equivalent for a tenth of the price
but yes, to answer your question it is worth it

>>21813607
nice

>>21813963
I have the same. I love stainless steel. Really good quality for iirc 25£.

>>21812759
I got that exact same pot for 90€ from a "collect x stamps" at grocery market promotion some years ago. They are okay but I wouldn't pay more than like 120€. The Amazon basic pot does the same shit.

>>21814283
225 with shipping on gygi for the 7 qt. They only had white black red and graphite for color options. From what I read you can get the 7 qt for a little cheaper if you wait for a seconds sale.

>>21813080
Why is it worth it?

>>21814302
>>Also, same question but this time toothbrushes
>you're retarded
Fuck you bloody

Why is the exoerience inferior???
What EXACTLY is it that makes it better??

>>21814900
not that guy, but the high quality enamel you find in a Staub will sear better and food won't stick as easily. the lid fits better than cheap brands so it retains moisture better, and the thicker sidewalls help retain and distribute heat more evenly than thin cheaper brands. it's easier to clean and you don't have to worry as much about crazing/cracking. for something you use regularly over your lifetime the cost difference is basically negligible but the cooking experience is much easier.

>>21814313
This.

You can buy one Le Creuset/Staub and have it for the rest of your life. Or you can buy a Lodge every year for the rest of your life. Being poor is expensive.

>>21814891
Because they are very durable and attractive objects/tools that you may keep for the rest of your life.

>>21812987
this is why.
le creuset is the best enameled dutch oven/coccette or stoneware baking dishes you can get. they give you a lifetime warranty and stand by it. it's quite literally the last one you'll buy. but realistically I've had my dutch oven for 10 years use it frequently for bread, stews, and gumbo it still cleans easy and is non stick. was it worth it? in the long run yes, but for you it may not be it depends on if you have the money to invest in yourself and your kitchen.

Pricier tools are better longterm. This is like asking "why would i ever buy a kenmore or kitchen aid stand mixer". certain brands have established extremely good reputations for their products for good reasons.

>>21812884
if yours is le creuset you can send them a picture of your fucked up pot and they'll send you a replacement

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>>21813607
Is grey the most based colour?

>>21815134
>attractive objects/tools
Imagine paying more for tools because they are attractive instead of cheap and functional.

>>21816351
Imagine rewarding ugliness.

>>21812759
You're paying for the name, same as any other brand. I got my enameled Dutch oven from Shoppers (Canadian CVS) for $20 on post-Christmas clearance and it's perfect.

>>21816354
Imagine caring about aesthetics enough over function that you pay triple or more than necessary.

>>21812759
>>21812765
I got a used lodge enamel dutch oven like 5 years ago and it's still perfect.

>>21816351
Imagine being this poor

>>21816687
We have a thirdie here who thinks paying 5x the price of something because of how it looks is a sign of wealth.

>>21816704
Why are you seething? If you don’t want one no one is forcing you to buy it. Enjoy your chinaman pot with lead in the enamel.

>>21816709
>only a Poor would resist being fleeced by worthless marketing
OK Gagjeet, can you at least recommend a good tandoor for a home kitchen?

Go to yard sales in rich neighborhoods, I load up on high end cookware there. Scored a few le creuset and all clads for 40 bucks once.

>>21816743
Imagine being this butt hurt over a pot.

>>21816704
Stop being poor.

>>21816709
No one is seething, its just hilarious that people pay 5x the cost of shit because "its attractive" when cheaper options are better or the same.

>>21817009
Says the rentoid.

>>21817038
Cheaper yes better no

>>21816647
That's good for you, but the qc is spotty enough that some people have cracked the enamel by dropping a metal utensil in it. To Lodge's credit, they do have a warranty similar to Le Creuset and will replace it. I don't think their made in America line justifies the cost compared to lesser Italian and French manufacturers.

>>21817039
So you're also delusional and retarded? Noted.

>>21816647
>I got a used lodge enamel dutch oven like 5 years ago and it's still perfect.
I’m using a Staub enameled cast iron pot I bought 15-20 years ago,
A grill pan from Le Creuset that is about the same age,
A couple Le Creuset Dutch ovens that are fine except some scratched enamel on the outside from 35 years sho, and a few other pieces. (The scratches were my fault for storing the pan in a rough ceramic pot without surface protection).
Once my parents actually bothered reading the use and care instructions on some new enameled pots, and stopped using ScotchBrite abrasive pads, and stopped pouring cold water in the pans to cool the pans tight after cooking, the pans basically never had issues.
The previous enameled pans were the enamel cracked might have been Le Creuset, but by that point, my parents had been using the pans for at least two decades, and abusing the pans so they weren’t really sure, because the pans were brand marked.

I have a bare aluminum dutch oven that I made myself.

fuck your gay ass enamel

>>21817735
aluminum is alright over gas but cast iron is a lot easier to work with over fire and electric

>>21816343
Yes

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go to Sur La Table do see what scam means

>>21812765
>they last better
>they last better
>they had better

>>21812759
I wouldn't buy one for any less than €2000 desu

>>21818235
What? Why??
Its literally the same as one for 35€ cast iron = cast iron, how could these possibly be better or worth the money.
Now if you just think theyre neat then thats fair but then i would ask you what makes them so neat? The colour?

>>21817735
>>21817743
Aluminium + salt + fat makes the same plaques thah cause alzheimers disease, DO NOT USE ALUMINIUM!!!

>>21816351
Bzt its a multi million dollar company and i would guess that aince like 75% of buying decisions are made by femoids it does have something to so with it, maybe??

>>21815887
Interesting point, can i ask, do you also invest in more exotic stuff like a tajine pot? Or is it really abojt saving money in the long run?

>>21819934
You get an incredibly insignificant amount even if you use it every single day. Grilling over charcoal or wood is a thousand times more unhealthy.

Might as well just steam everything in purified water with no seasoning if you're that paranoid.

I dunno but i've got some le creuset posts that are probably 20 years old and look nearly new after they are washed.